Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 The supervisor was LaPorte EMS, the medics were BayStar. THe BayStar supervisor didn't arrive until after the medic was arrested. But, you do ask good questions. " Crosby, E " wrote: Seems that way to me as well. As I mentioned before, why couldn't this supervisor supervise these Baystar medics to make sure they didn't do anything out of sorts until his medics arrived to take over? This is under the assumption (cringe) that this supervisor was totally unequipped (meaning medical equipment wise, not mental) to deal with an emergency. Not meaning to offend, but this whole thing sounds like a massive Charlie Fox (anybody who doesn't know what that means, e-mail me off list for the potty mouth version). I never heard back from Baystar. Anybody hear of the medical status of the medic or any update on the initial patient? Then again, if the lawyers are starting to circle down there, we might not hear anything for a while I'd guess. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 " I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. " " E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this once and for all: 1. Do away with any city/county-operated or -sponsored ambulance service--make everything free market. 2. Have the crews monitoring scanners. 3. When a call comes in, each service can rush to the scene. The helicopter services can respond too. This assures a good response time. The services with bigger motors and fastest vehicles will get there the fastest thus further decreasing the response times. Out-of-work NASCAR drivers (those still alive) can drive the ambulances. 4. Whoever gets their first gets the patient and gets to determine who gets the remaining patients. The attendant should be able to defend the scene from rival services with chemical spray or a flame thrower. 5. Helicopters should also dispatch at the same time--the first on scene transports. That will get rid of the slow Bell 206 models and everybody will have speedy Agustas. 6. The helicopters should be armed so that the slower helicopters have a chance by shooting the faster ones out of the sky. 7. Since there is no subsidy, we will keep training and equipment to a minimum--horizontal transport--that is all we need--maybe some oxygen. 8. Ambulance services will hire former hockey players to assure they get the patient in case two ambulances arrive at the same time. 9. Don't send the fire trucks--they get in the way. Besides, these ambulance calls have ruined more than one exciting game of dominos. 10. No need for medical control. Docs such as me can get those good jobs at the STD clinics. 11. The patients should be transported as quickly as possible to the closest hospital regardless. If the patient has the cash, they can pay their way later to Saint Elsewhere where Dr. Goldberg can take care of them. 12. Thus, no need for SSM, PUMS, CISM--just RPMs. 13. Set up a kickback system with the wrecker drivers. 14. It is all good. 15. Did I miss anything? E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, Texas Don't miss the Western States EMS Cruise! http://proemseducators.com/index.html _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mpmedics Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not. We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits. (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would not be safe for our citizens. > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 " I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. " " E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this once and for all: 1. Do away with any city/county-operated or -sponsored ambulance service--make everything free market. 2. Have the crews monitoring scanners. 3. When a call comes in, each service can rush to the scene. The helicopter services can respond too. This assures a good response time. The services with bigger motors and fastest vehicles will get there the fastest thus further decreasing the response times. Out-of-work NASCAR drivers (those still alive) can drive the ambulances. 4. Whoever gets their first gets the patient and gets to determine who gets the remaining patients. The attendant should be able to defend the scene from rival services with chemical spray or a flame thrower. 5. Helicopters should also dispatch at the same time--the first on scene transports. That will get rid of the slow Bell 206 models and everybody will have speedy Agustas. 6. The helicopters should be armed so that the slower helicopters have a chance by shooting the faster ones out of the sky. 7. Since there is no subsidy, we will keep training and equipment to a minimum--horizontal transport--that is all we need--maybe some oxygen. 8. Ambulance services will hire former hockey players to assure they get the patient in case two ambulances arrive at the same time. 9. Don't send the fire trucks--they get in the way. Besides, these ambulance calls have ruined more than one exciting game of dominos. 10. No need for medical control. Docs such as me can get those good jobs at the STD clinics. 11. The patients should be transported as quickly as possible to the closest hospital regardless. If the patient has the cash, they can pay their way later to Saint Elsewhere where Dr. Goldberg can take care of them. 12. Thus, no need for SSM, PUMS, CISM--just RPMs. 13. Set up a kickback system with the wrecker drivers. 14. It is all good. 15. Did I miss anything? E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, Texas Don't miss the Western States EMS Cruise! http://proemseducators.com/index.html _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mpmedics Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not. We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits. (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would not be safe for our citizens. > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 " I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. " " E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this once and for all: 1. Do away with any city/county-operated or -sponsored ambulance service--make everything free market. 2. Have the crews monitoring scanners. 3. When a call comes in, each service can rush to the scene. The helicopter services can respond too. This assures a good response time. The services with bigger motors and fastest vehicles will get there the fastest thus further decreasing the response times. Out-of-work NASCAR drivers (those still alive) can drive the ambulances. 4. Whoever gets their first gets the patient and gets to determine who gets the remaining patients. The attendant should be able to defend the scene from rival services with chemical spray or a flame thrower. 5. Helicopters should also dispatch at the same time--the first on scene transports. That will get rid of the slow Bell 206 models and everybody will have speedy Agustas. 6. The helicopters should be armed so that the slower helicopters have a chance by shooting the faster ones out of the sky. 7. Since there is no subsidy, we will keep training and equipment to a minimum--horizontal transport--that is all we need--maybe some oxygen. 8. Ambulance services will hire former hockey players to assure they get the patient in case two ambulances arrive at the same time. 9. Don't send the fire trucks--they get in the way. Besides, these ambulance calls have ruined more than one exciting game of dominos. 10. No need for medical control. Docs such as me can get those good jobs at the STD clinics. 11. The patients should be transported as quickly as possible to the closest hospital regardless. If the patient has the cash, they can pay their way later to Saint Elsewhere where Dr. Goldberg can take care of them. 12. Thus, no need for SSM, PUMS, CISM--just RPMs. 13. Set up a kickback system with the wrecker drivers. 14. It is all good. 15. Did I miss anything? E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, Texas Don't miss the Western States EMS Cruise! http://proemseducators.com/index.html _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mpmedics Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not. We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits. (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would not be safe for our citizens. > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I was talking about the La Porte EMS supervisor. I mean why couldn't the guy (oomph, another assumption) say something like " I know you guys don't work for me, but since we have this permit thing hanging over our heads I'm going to supervise your care till our city medics show up so we can get this patient taken care of and transported. It's not that I think you don't know your jobs, but I have an obligation to the folks of this city to make sure things go well, ok? " . That would seem reasonable to me. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I was talking about the La Porte EMS supervisor. I mean why couldn't the guy (oomph, another assumption) say something like " I know you guys don't work for me, but since we have this permit thing hanging over our heads I'm going to supervise your care till our city medics show up so we can get this patient taken care of and transported. It's not that I think you don't know your jobs, but I have an obligation to the folks of this city to make sure things go well, ok? " . That would seem reasonable to me. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I was talking about the La Porte EMS supervisor. I mean why couldn't the guy (oomph, another assumption) say something like " I know you guys don't work for me, but since we have this permit thing hanging over our heads I'm going to supervise your care till our city medics show up so we can get this patient taken care of and transported. It's not that I think you don't know your jobs, but I have an obligation to the folks of this city to make sure things go well, ok? " . That would seem reasonable to me. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I guess this here list aint a Yahoo group for nuthin'. RE: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte " I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. " " E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this once and for all: ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I guess this here list aint a Yahoo group for nuthin'. RE: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte " I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. " " E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this once and for all: ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I guess this here list aint a Yahoo group for nuthin'. RE: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte " I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. " " E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this once and for all: ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Ah, I was thinking more elementally, the way you phrased the questions. I live in the area, and there are strengths and weaknesses enough around. Who knows... it will eventually all come out in the wash and hopefully get straightened out. " Crosby, E " wrote: I was talking about the La Porte EMS supervisor. I mean why couldn't the guy (oomph, another assumption) say something like " I know you guys don't work for me, but since we have this permit thing hanging over our heads I'm going to supervise your care till our city medics show up so we can get this patient taken care of and transported. It's not that I think you don't know your jobs, but I have an obligation to the folks of this city to make sure things go well, ok? " . That would seem reasonable to me. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 , Can one abandon a patient, a person, a scene or a situation if they have not engaged the same? Neglect, maybe....... bkw Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > Silly me but I was wondering.........?? > Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if > his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no > treatment?? Just wondering.. > EMT-I > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 No problem. I'm more into inter-agency co-operation when it comes to getting folks the help they need. I guess that comes from having done the first response thing for a VFD that has coverage that crossed city limit and county lines. I have seen such utter stupidity at times about who crosses what line. I was very glad to see the mutual aid agreements hammered out a few years back. Anyway, sorry about the confusion on my way of phrasing things, I'll try and be a little more plain. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 No problem. I'm more into inter-agency co-operation when it comes to getting folks the help they need. I guess that comes from having done the first response thing for a VFD that has coverage that crossed city limit and county lines. I have seen such utter stupidity at times about who crosses what line. I was very glad to see the mutual aid agreements hammered out a few years back. Anyway, sorry about the confusion on my way of phrasing things, I'll try and be a little more plain. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 No problem. I'm more into inter-agency co-operation when it comes to getting folks the help they need. I guess that comes from having done the first response thing for a VFD that has coverage that crossed city limit and county lines. I have seen such utter stupidity at times about who crosses what line. I was very glad to see the mutual aid agreements hammered out a few years back. Anyway, sorry about the confusion on my way of phrasing things, I'll try and be a little more plain. Crosby EMT-B Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Silly me but I was wondering.........?? Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no treatment?? Just wondering.. EMT-I ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ This email and its attachments, if any, are intended for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary information. If you are not a named recipient, or an agent responsible for delivering it to a named recipient, you have received this email in error. In that event, please (a) immediately notify me by reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, or print this email or any of its attachments, and © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and its attachments and all electronic and physical copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou051229_cd_ambulance.27e121a9.html Paramedic injured in battle of ambulances in La Porte 10:24 PM CST on Thursday, December 29, 2005 By Wendell and Vicente Arenas / 11 News Vicente Arenas' 10 p.m. report Wendell ' 6 p.m. report There was a disturbing story Thursday about what happened when one family needed a transport to a local hospital, but ended with one paramedic arrested, following a battle with a competing ambulance service. When her ill father began to get worse La Porte resident Zwiercan called for an ambulance to take him to the hospital. " We called La Porte EMS for a non-emergency call to transport my father to the hospital. The dispatcher told us that we would have to get a transport service, " said Zwiercan. So, they called Bay Star, a private ambulance service out of Baytown. The company is not authorized, under a new ordinance, to answer emergency calls in La Porte. The city's EMS chief says the new rule is all about getting the right help at the right time. Because most of the lay public does not know the difference between an EMT and a paramedic, they think an ambulance is an ambulance is ambulance. " I was standing here at the end of my driveway and I was flagging down the ambulances, " Zwiercan said. The owner said they dispatched an ambulance even though they don't have requirements to answer calls in La Porte. " We have a duty to react. We tried to turn it over to La Porte. We offered it, but they never said 'OK, stop', " said Bay Star owner . KHOU-TV Young, Bay Star paramedic. La Porte EMS called Bay Star back. 11 News obtained an audio recording of that phone call. La Porte Dispatch: " Hi Vera, this is Dave with La Porte police. Are you guys coming out to Eagle Fork? " Vera: " Yes " . La Porte Dispatch: " OK, where is that? " Vera: " Are y'all going? " La Porte Dispatch: " Uh, no. My EMS supervisor is going to be out there, so he wanted to know. " Vera: " Oh, OK. " But a La Porte ambulance showed up anyway. So did the La Porte police, who stopped a Bay Star paramedic from responding to the patient. " He was still cussing and using abusive language in a residential area. He was not responding to the officer's request to calm down, and subsequently, the officer advised him that he was under arrest for disorderly conduct, " said La Porte police Chief Reff, " and when he went to arrest him, to take custody of him, he began resisting. " It was after that, 11 News was told, that some sort of altercation took place. It happened between the La Porte police officer and that paramedic. In the end, Bay Star employee Young was arrested and accused of resisting arrest. His attorney said his client suffered injuries, including a bruise to his forehead. He says they will fight the charges. Zwiercan said she couldn't believe all of this happened just because she made a phone call just to help her father. She said when she made that call, she asked what transport services she could use and received a list from the La Porte dispatcher. On that list was Bay Star. Dispatch said they did give her that number, but why they gave her the number of a ambulance service company that doesn't have a permit in La Porte is unknown. La Porte said that the minute Bay Star deemed the case to be an emergency, they should have turned it over to them instead of going themselves. When it was all over, Bay Star got fines instead of a patient, as he ended up going in a La Porte ambulance. Zwiercan's father is in stable condition in a local hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou051229_cd_ambulance.27e121a9.html Paramedic injured in battle of ambulances in La Porte 10:24 PM CST on Thursday, December 29, 2005 By Wendell and Vicente Arenas / 11 News Vicente Arenas' 10 p.m. report Wendell ' 6 p.m. report There was a disturbing story Thursday about what happened when one family needed a transport to a local hospital, but ended with one paramedic arrested, following a battle with a competing ambulance service. When her ill father began to get worse La Porte resident Zwiercan called for an ambulance to take him to the hospital. " We called La Porte EMS for a non-emergency call to transport my father to the hospital. The dispatcher told us that we would have to get a transport service, " said Zwiercan. So, they called Bay Star, a private ambulance service out of Baytown. The company is not authorized, under a new ordinance, to answer emergency calls in La Porte. The city's EMS chief says the new rule is all about getting the right help at the right time. Because most of the lay public does not know the difference between an EMT and a paramedic, they think an ambulance is an ambulance is ambulance. " I was standing here at the end of my driveway and I was flagging down the ambulances, " Zwiercan said. The owner said they dispatched an ambulance even though they don't have requirements to answer calls in La Porte. " We have a duty to react. We tried to turn it over to La Porte. We offered it, but they never said 'OK, stop', " said Bay Star owner . KHOU-TV Young, Bay Star paramedic. La Porte EMS called Bay Star back. 11 News obtained an audio recording of that phone call. La Porte Dispatch: " Hi Vera, this is Dave with La Porte police. Are you guys coming out to Eagle Fork? " Vera: " Yes " . La Porte Dispatch: " OK, where is that? " Vera: " Are y'all going? " La Porte Dispatch: " Uh, no. My EMS supervisor is going to be out there, so he wanted to know. " Vera: " Oh, OK. " But a La Porte ambulance showed up anyway. So did the La Porte police, who stopped a Bay Star paramedic from responding to the patient. " He was still cussing and using abusive language in a residential area. He was not responding to the officer's request to calm down, and subsequently, the officer advised him that he was under arrest for disorderly conduct, " said La Porte police Chief Reff, " and when he went to arrest him, to take custody of him, he began resisting. " It was after that, 11 News was told, that some sort of altercation took place. It happened between the La Porte police officer and that paramedic. In the end, Bay Star employee Young was arrested and accused of resisting arrest. His attorney said his client suffered injuries, including a bruise to his forehead. He says they will fight the charges. Zwiercan said she couldn't believe all of this happened just because she made a phone call just to help her father. She said when she made that call, she asked what transport services she could use and received a list from the La Porte dispatcher. On that list was Bay Star. Dispatch said they did give her that number, but why they gave her the number of a ambulance service company that doesn't have a permit in La Porte is unknown. La Porte said that the minute Bay Star deemed the case to be an emergency, they should have turned it over to them instead of going themselves. When it was all over, Bay Star got fines instead of a patient, as he ended up going in a La Porte ambulance. Zwiercan's father is in stable condition in a local hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Preventing a medic from performing his duties? ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Britton Waldron Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:45 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte , Can one abandon a patient, a person, a scene or a situation if they have not engaged the same? Neglect, maybe....... bkw Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > Silly me but I was wondering.........?? > Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if > his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no > treatment?? Just wondering.. > EMT-I > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Preventing a medic from performing his duties? ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Britton Waldron Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:45 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte , Can one abandon a patient, a person, a scene or a situation if they have not engaged the same? Neglect, maybe....... bkw Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > Silly me but I was wondering.........?? > Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if > his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no > treatment?? Just wondering.. > EMT-I > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Preventing a medic from performing his duties? ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Britton Waldron Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:45 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte , Can one abandon a patient, a person, a scene or a situation if they have not engaged the same? Neglect, maybe....... bkw Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > Silly me but I was wondering.........?? > Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if > his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no > treatment?? Just wondering.. > EMT-I > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 And like I said before...and this story only adds to it...this is a shame. No two ways about it...this has done nothing but set EMS in that part of the state (and across the nation as this story is making its rounds) because the truth won't make the headlines and how this thing settles out might be a paragraph blurb if that... Who was right and who was wrong doesn't matter...we have all been sucker punched in the eye over this one... Dudley Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Ah the plot begins to thicken. As I said 20 versions by weeks end are likely, and as was said before the truth is in the middle of all of those versions. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 No winners in this gig. Dudley and Lou, you both put it well. At least it sounds like the patient is improving; that is good news. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 No winners in this gig. Dudley and Lou, you both put it well. At least it sounds like the patient is improving; that is good news. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 No winners in this gig. Dudley and Lou, you both put it well. At least it sounds like the patient is improving; that is good news. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 There are enough mistakes here to go around. Can we rewind a few days and have a do-over??? jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:19 AM To: Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte No winners in this gig. Dudley and Lou, you both put it well. At least it sounds like the patient is improving; that is good news. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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