Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

[Guest guest]

I cannot attest to the specific incident described here, but I know virtually

all of the parties involved in this incident and I agree it is an unfortunate

situation no matter what the circumstances. All are persons of good character

and so it is important in my opinion to let the facts come forward with time. It

appears in their own way each party was concerned for the patient from their own

perspective.

I would like to say that Chief Nolan and the LaPorte EMS staff as well as the

City Manager and City Council are working very hard to assure that (1) LPEMS is

called when a 911 emergency medical situation occurs in LaPorte and (2) that

private ambulance services responding in LaPorte are properly staffed and

equipped via the permitting process, (3) quality patient care is better assured

for the citizens of LP by utilizing the rapid response capabilities of the MICU

system there. With over 150 private ambulance services in the Houston area, the

city of LaPorte has taken steps to try to regulate the quality of private

ambulance service for the citizens of LaPorte by requiring the permitting of

ambulances responding in their city.

If you would like more information on the LP ordinance go to www.ghemsc.org and

to the Municipalities with EMS Ordinances link.

I sincerely hope this all can be worked through to a positive end.

-joe hamilton

Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

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>

> Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

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> By

> <http://www.baytownsun.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=e1294085d816e50d038c7ada0b6d35

> fbf41ee6bc07dda007d0b813fdd15363e1> Austin Kinghorn

> Baytown Sun

>

>

>

> Published December 29, 2005 - Updated 25 minutes ago

>

> A medic with Baytown-based Baystar EMS was arrested for disorderly conduct

> after responding to a call in La Porte on Wednesday.

>

> La Porte police say the medic became belligerent and resisted arrest when

> Baystar was issued a citation for operating in the city without a permit,

> but the owner of Baystar claims police used excessive force in unnecessarily

> arresting the medic.

>

> Baystar owner said the medic, iel Jung, refused to sign

> the citation until his supervisor arrived. Jung has officially been charged

> with resisting arrest.

>

> " He never resisted, " said. " He had hands by his side and the officer

> came up and grabbed him in the back of the neck and took him down. "

>

> Baystar was receiving a citation under a La Porte city ordinance passed last

> year that requires private ambulance operators to attain a city permit.

>

> La Porte EMS chief Ray Nolen said the permits are required to ensure private

> ambulance medics are properly trained, have proper equipment and understand

> emergency policies in the city.

>

> Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit.

>

> " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to

> start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said.

>

> Enforcement of the new ordinance had been relaxed until the city began a new

> permit cycle on Oct. 1, Nolen said.

>

> said the ambulance was responding to a call from a La Porte resident

> who was having trouble breathing. Baystar notified La Porte EMS and was

> cleared to respond to the call, said.

>

> " He was just there to help the patient and that's all, " said. " There

> was nothing for them to take him down. "

>

> But La Porte police say Jung became combative and used abusive language and

> stood in the road after Baystar was issued the citation.

>

> " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police

> Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He

> wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in

> front of all those people is not necessary. "

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What a unique concept.... an EMS council. Good Job Joe, thanks for that link!

[Guest guest]

What a unique concept.... an EMS council. Good Job Joe, thanks for that link!

[Guest guest]

What a unique concept.... an EMS council. Good Job Joe, thanks for that link!

[Guest guest]

Ah the plot begins to thicken.

As I said 20 versions by weeks end are likely, and as was said before the

truth is in the middle of all of those versions.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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[Guest guest]

Ah the plot begins to thicken.

As I said 20 versions by weeks end are likely, and as was said before the

truth is in the middle of all of those versions.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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[Guest guest]

Ah the plot begins to thicken.

As I said 20 versions by weeks end are likely, and as was said before the

truth is in the middle of all of those versions.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:32:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,

THEDUDMAN@... writes:

Who was right and who was wrong doesn't matter...we have all been sucker

punched in the eye over this one...

as have the cops and the city and so on and so on.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:32:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,

THEDUDMAN@... writes:

Who was right and who was wrong doesn't matter...we have all been sucker

punched in the eye over this one...

as have the cops and the city and so on and so on.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:32:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,

THEDUDMAN@... writes:

Who was right and who was wrong doesn't matter...we have all been sucker

punched in the eye over this one...

as have the cops and the city and so on and so on.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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Wes,

Agreed.

It is interesting that a designated emergency provider of an area can

request another provider into an area on a mutual aide request and license,

permits and protected areas go out the window.

It is unfortunate that in this instance it appears:

* The call originated from a residence

* The call did NOT go through the designated emergency provider for the

response address.

* The non designated provider accepted the call and responded

* The non designated provider called to inform the designated provider

* The designated provider acknowledged the request AND sent someone (2

cars) the first was not to provide patient care

* The designated provider stepped in $#!+ along the way (if the news

releases are correct)

* The PD/LE also stepped in $#!+ AND walked on the new carpet. (if the

news releases are correct)

Looks like the lawyers will win, both plaintiff and defendant attorneys will

be compensated to litigate this matter. The patient losses as does EMS in

general.

This really is a very good example of a litany of errors.

Hope you and everyone on the list has a safe end to this year and a warm

welcome to 2006.

bkw

RE: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

>

>

> But the story indicated the outside service called requested permission

> from

> the permitted service to respond to a call in there area and was granted

> permission, right?

>

>

>

> Sure glad we don't have permitted cities around here, is it really in the

> best interest if the citizens?

>

[Guest guest]

Wes,

Agreed.

It is interesting that a designated emergency provider of an area can

request another provider into an area on a mutual aide request and license,

permits and protected areas go out the window.

It is unfortunate that in this instance it appears:

* The call originated from a residence

* The call did NOT go through the designated emergency provider for the

response address.

* The non designated provider accepted the call and responded

* The non designated provider called to inform the designated provider

* The designated provider acknowledged the request AND sent someone (2

cars) the first was not to provide patient care

* The designated provider stepped in $#!+ along the way (if the news

releases are correct)

* The PD/LE also stepped in $#!+ AND walked on the new carpet. (if the

news releases are correct)

Looks like the lawyers will win, both plaintiff and defendant attorneys will

be compensated to litigate this matter. The patient losses as does EMS in

general.

This really is a very good example of a litany of errors.

Hope you and everyone on the list has a safe end to this year and a warm

welcome to 2006.

bkw

RE: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

>

>

> But the story indicated the outside service called requested permission

> from

> the permitted service to respond to a call in there area and was granted

> permission, right?

>

>

>

> Sure glad we don't have permitted cities around here, is it really in the

> best interest if the citizens?

>

[Guest guest]

Wes,

Agreed.

It is interesting that a designated emergency provider of an area can

request another provider into an area on a mutual aide request and license,

permits and protected areas go out the window.

It is unfortunate that in this instance it appears:

* The call originated from a residence

* The call did NOT go through the designated emergency provider for the

response address.

* The non designated provider accepted the call and responded

* The non designated provider called to inform the designated provider

* The designated provider acknowledged the request AND sent someone (2

cars) the first was not to provide patient care

* The designated provider stepped in $#!+ along the way (if the news

releases are correct)

* The PD/LE also stepped in $#!+ AND walked on the new carpet. (if the

news releases are correct)

Looks like the lawyers will win, both plaintiff and defendant attorneys will

be compensated to litigate this matter. The patient losses as does EMS in

general.

This really is a very good example of a litany of errors.

Hope you and everyone on the list has a safe end to this year and a warm

welcome to 2006.

bkw

RE: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

>

>

> But the story indicated the outside service called requested permission

> from

> the permitted service to respond to a call in there area and was granted

> permission, right?

>

>

>

> Sure glad we don't have permitted cities around here, is it really in the

> best interest if the citizens?

>

[Guest guest]

Aaahhh.. the old days!!!! <sigh>

Jack

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Behalf Of Larry

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:09 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Bob Kellow wrote: Ice picks.

Penny cutters work nicely on valve stems (VEG)

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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[Guest guest]

Aaahhh.. the old days!!!! <sigh>

Jack

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Larry

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:09 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Bob Kellow wrote: Ice picks.

Penny cutters work nicely on valve stems (VEG)

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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[Guest guest]

Aaahhh.. the old days!!!! <sigh>

Jack

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Larry

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:09 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Bob Kellow wrote: Ice picks.

Penny cutters work nicely on valve stems (VEG)

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 12:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... writes:

Can we rewind a few days and have a do-over???

An EMS Mulligan God would that not be a great invention?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 12:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... writes:

Can we rewind a few days and have a do-over???

An EMS Mulligan God would that not be a great invention?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 12:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,

jrpitcock@... writes:

Can we rewind a few days and have a do-over???

An EMS Mulligan God would that not be a great invention?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

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[Guest guest]

Silly me but I was wondering.........??

Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if

his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no

treatment?? Just wondering..

EMT-I

[Guest guest]

Seems that way to me as well. As I mentioned before, why

couldn't this supervisor supervise these Baystar medics to make sure

they didn't do anything out of sorts until his medics arrived to take

over? This is under the assumption (cringe) that this supervisor was

totally unequipped (meaning medical equipment wise, not mental) to deal

with an emergency. Not meaning to offend, but this whole thing sounds

like a massive Charlie Fox (anybody who doesn't know what that means,

e-mail me off list for the potty mouth version).

I never heard back from Baystar. Anybody hear of the medical

status of the medic or any update on the initial patient? Then again,

if the lawyers are starting to circle down there, we might not hear

anything for a while I'd guess.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Silly me but I was wondering.........??

Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if

his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no

treatment?? Just wondering..

EMT-I

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[Guest guest]

Seems that way to me as well. As I mentioned before, why

couldn't this supervisor supervise these Baystar medics to make sure

they didn't do anything out of sorts until his medics arrived to take

over? This is under the assumption (cringe) that this supervisor was

totally unequipped (meaning medical equipment wise, not mental) to deal

with an emergency. Not meaning to offend, but this whole thing sounds

like a massive Charlie Fox (anybody who doesn't know what that means,

e-mail me off list for the potty mouth version).

I never heard back from Baystar. Anybody hear of the medical

status of the medic or any update on the initial patient? Then again,

if the lawyers are starting to circle down there, we might not hear

anything for a while I'd guess.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Silly me but I was wondering.........??

Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if

his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no

treatment?? Just wondering..

EMT-I

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[Guest guest]

Seems that way to me as well. As I mentioned before, why

couldn't this supervisor supervise these Baystar medics to make sure

they didn't do anything out of sorts until his medics arrived to take

over? This is under the assumption (cringe) that this supervisor was

totally unequipped (meaning medical equipment wise, not mental) to deal

with an emergency. Not meaning to offend, but this whole thing sounds

like a massive Charlie Fox (anybody who doesn't know what that means,

e-mail me off list for the potty mouth version).

I never heard back from Baystar. Anybody hear of the medical

status of the medic or any update on the initial patient? Then again,

if the lawyers are starting to circle down there, we might not hear

anything for a while I'd guess.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Silly me but I was wondering.........??

Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if

his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no

treatment?? Just wondering..

EMT-I

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[Guest guest]

The supervisor was LaPorte EMS, the medics were BayStar. THe BayStar supervisor

didn't arrive until after the medic was arrested. But, you do ask good

questions.

" Crosby, E " wrote: Seems that way to

me as well. As I mentioned before, why

couldn't this supervisor supervise these Baystar medics to make sure

they didn't do anything out of sorts until his medics arrived to take

over? This is under the assumption (cringe) that this supervisor was

totally unequipped (meaning medical equipment wise, not mental) to deal

with an emergency. Not meaning to offend, but this whole thing sounds

like a massive Charlie Fox (anybody who doesn't know what that means,

e-mail me off list for the potty mouth version).

I never heard back from Baystar. Anybody hear of the medical

status of the medic or any update on the initial patient? Then again,

if the lawyers are starting to circle down there, we might not hear

anything for a while I'd guess.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Silly me but I was wondering.........??

Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if

his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no

treatment?? Just wondering..

EMT-I

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[Guest guest]

The supervisor was LaPorte EMS, the medics were BayStar. THe BayStar supervisor

didn't arrive until after the medic was arrested. But, you do ask good

questions.

" Crosby, E " wrote: Seems that way to

me as well. As I mentioned before, why

couldn't this supervisor supervise these Baystar medics to make sure

they didn't do anything out of sorts until his medics arrived to take

over? This is under the assumption (cringe) that this supervisor was

totally unequipped (meaning medical equipment wise, not mental) to deal

with an emergency. Not meaning to offend, but this whole thing sounds

like a massive Charlie Fox (anybody who doesn't know what that means,

e-mail me off list for the potty mouth version).

I never heard back from Baystar. Anybody hear of the medical

status of the medic or any update on the initial patient? Then again,

if the lawyers are starting to circle down there, we might not hear

anything for a while I'd guess.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Silly me but I was wondering.........??

Why was the Supervisor standing in the road and NOT providing care, if

his service was the correct agency... Seems abandonment for no

treatment?? Just wondering..

EMT-I

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