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I'll settle this once and for all:

1. Do away with any city/county-operated or -sponsored ambulance

service--make everything free market.

2. Have the crews monitoring scanners.

3. When a call comes in, each service can rush to the scene. The helicopter

services can respond too. This assures a good response time. The services

with bigger motors and fastest vehicles will get there the fastest thus

further decreasing the response times. Out-of-work NASCAR drivers (those

still alive) can drive the ambulances.

4. Whoever gets their first gets the patient and gets to determine who gets

the remaining patients. The attendant should be able to defend the scene

from rival services with chemical spray or a flame thrower.

5. Helicopters should also dispatch at the same time--the first on scene

transports. That will get rid of the slow Bell 206 models and everybody will

have speedy Agustas.

6. The helicopters should be armed so that the slower helicopters have a

chance by shooting the faster ones out of the sky.

7. Since there is no subsidy, we will keep training and equipment to a

minimum--horizontal transport--that is all we need--maybe some oxygen.

8. Ambulance services will hire former hockey players to assure they get the

patient in case two ambulances arrive at the same time.

9. Don't send the fire trucks--they get in the way. Besides, these ambulance

calls have ruined more than one exciting game of dominos.

10. No need for medical control. Docs such as me can get those good jobs at

the STD clinics.

11. The patients should be transported as quickly as possible to the closest

hospital regardless. If the patient has the cash, they can pay their way

later to Saint Elsewhere where Dr. Goldberg can take care of them.

12. Thus, no need for SSM, PUMS, CISM--just RPMs.

13. Set up a kickback system with the wrecker drivers.

14. It is all good.

15. Did I miss anything?

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, Texas

Don't miss the Western States EMS Cruise!

http://proemseducators.com/index.html

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of mpmedics

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

> >

> >

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I'll settle this once and for all:

1. Do away with any city/county-operated or -sponsored ambulance

service--make everything free market.

2. Have the crews monitoring scanners.

3. When a call comes in, each service can rush to the scene. The helicopter

services can respond too. This assures a good response time. The services

with bigger motors and fastest vehicles will get there the fastest thus

further decreasing the response times. Out-of-work NASCAR drivers (those

still alive) can drive the ambulances.

4. Whoever gets their first gets the patient and gets to determine who gets

the remaining patients. The attendant should be able to defend the scene

from rival services with chemical spray or a flame thrower.

5. Helicopters should also dispatch at the same time--the first on scene

transports. That will get rid of the slow Bell 206 models and everybody will

have speedy Agustas.

6. The helicopters should be armed so that the slower helicopters have a

chance by shooting the faster ones out of the sky.

7. Since there is no subsidy, we will keep training and equipment to a

minimum--horizontal transport--that is all we need--maybe some oxygen.

8. Ambulance services will hire former hockey players to assure they get the

patient in case two ambulances arrive at the same time.

9. Don't send the fire trucks--they get in the way. Besides, these ambulance

calls have ruined more than one exciting game of dominos.

10. No need for medical control. Docs such as me can get those good jobs at

the STD clinics.

11. The patients should be transported as quickly as possible to the closest

hospital regardless. If the patient has the cash, they can pay their way

later to Saint Elsewhere where Dr. Goldberg can take care of them.

12. Thus, no need for SSM, PUMS, CISM--just RPMs.

13. Set up a kickback system with the wrecker drivers.

14. It is all good.

15. Did I miss anything?

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, Texas

Don't miss the Western States EMS Cruise!

http://proemseducators.com/index.html

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of mpmedics

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

> >

> >

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I'll settle this once and for all:

1. Do away with any city/county-operated or -sponsored ambulance

service--make everything free market.

2. Have the crews monitoring scanners.

3. When a call comes in, each service can rush to the scene. The helicopter

services can respond too. This assures a good response time. The services

with bigger motors and fastest vehicles will get there the fastest thus

further decreasing the response times. Out-of-work NASCAR drivers (those

still alive) can drive the ambulances.

4. Whoever gets their first gets the patient and gets to determine who gets

the remaining patients. The attendant should be able to defend the scene

from rival services with chemical spray or a flame thrower.

5. Helicopters should also dispatch at the same time--the first on scene

transports. That will get rid of the slow Bell 206 models and everybody will

have speedy Agustas.

6. The helicopters should be armed so that the slower helicopters have a

chance by shooting the faster ones out of the sky.

7. Since there is no subsidy, we will keep training and equipment to a

minimum--horizontal transport--that is all we need--maybe some oxygen.

8. Ambulance services will hire former hockey players to assure they get the

patient in case two ambulances arrive at the same time.

9. Don't send the fire trucks--they get in the way. Besides, these ambulance

calls have ruined more than one exciting game of dominos.

10. No need for medical control. Docs such as me can get those good jobs at

the STD clinics.

11. The patients should be transported as quickly as possible to the closest

hospital regardless. If the patient has the cash, they can pay their way

later to Saint Elsewhere where Dr. Goldberg can take care of them.

12. Thus, no need for SSM, PUMS, CISM--just RPMs.

13. Set up a kickback system with the wrecker drivers.

14. It is all good.

15. Did I miss anything?

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, Texas

Don't miss the Western States EMS Cruise!

http://proemseducators.com/index.html

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of mpmedics

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:32 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

> >

> >

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Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

>

>

> We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

> citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

> who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

> We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

> by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

> request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

> permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

> (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

> money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

> citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

> entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

> not be safe for our citizens.

>

>

> > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > > call.

> > >

> > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > > resisting.

> > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > > duties?

> > >

> > > Mike :)

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Ice picks.

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

>

>

> We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

> citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

> who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

> We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

> by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

> request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

> permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

> (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

> money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

> citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

> entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

> not be safe for our citizens.

>

>

> > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > > call.

> > >

> > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > > resisting.

> > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > > duties?

> > >

> > > Mike :)

> > >

> > >

> > >

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" E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this

once and for all:

Gee, sounds like Houston in the late 60s, early 70s! (And I suspect LOTS of

other places, as well)

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" E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP " wrote: I'll settle this

once and for all:

Gee, sounds like Houston in the late 60s, early 70s! (And I suspect LOTS of

other places, as well)

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because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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Can anyone say " Mother, Jugs and Speed " . Heck it might my life a

little easier..lol.

stephen

> > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > > call.

> > >

> > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot;

to get

> > > resisting.

> > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with

official

> > > duties?

> > >

> > > Mike :)

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Can anyone say " Mother, Jugs and Speed " . Heck it might my life a

little easier..lol.

stephen

> > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > > call.

> > >

> > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot;

to get

> > > resisting.

> > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with

official

> > > duties?

> > >

> > > Mike :)

> > >

> > >

> > >

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

And apparently there is a rule that says the Provider can be fined for

allowing them to work in violation of the ordinance.

Effectively making the Service a Baby sitter. I hate rules like that and

I've dealt with them my whole life. I once had a guy who wanted me to pay his

ticket for failure to have his Drivers License on him when he was involved in a

minor accident in an ambulance. He was not at fault and in fact was backed

into while stopped but running (he's in the drivers seat) he was parked

legally, the offending car was parked illegally in a marked EVO zone and the

damage

was minor, the cop did his job and issued the EMT a ticket for failure to

present a valid drivers licence at the scene of an accident at the time it was

like a 50 buck fine if your license was clear (he was a choir boy in that

respect) so he wants me to pay for it as the boss. I laughed and said " what do

you want me to do see everyone's DL in the AM at shift start? " the short answer

was NO and he was not really happy with me for 3 months. I nearly cried

laughing when asked if my feelings were hurt.

Oh yea and we had it in the policy manual that you will always carry you DL

and certs while on duty. He lost his grievance as well.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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(Office)

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

And apparently there is a rule that says the Provider can be fined for

allowing them to work in violation of the ordinance.

Effectively making the Service a Baby sitter. I hate rules like that and

I've dealt with them my whole life. I once had a guy who wanted me to pay his

ticket for failure to have his Drivers License on him when he was involved in a

minor accident in an ambulance. He was not at fault and in fact was backed

into while stopped but running (he's in the drivers seat) he was parked

legally, the offending car was parked illegally in a marked EVO zone and the

damage

was minor, the cop did his job and issued the EMT a ticket for failure to

present a valid drivers licence at the scene of an accident at the time it was

like a 50 buck fine if your license was clear (he was a choir boy in that

respect) so he wants me to pay for it as the boss. I laughed and said " what do

you want me to do see everyone's DL in the AM at shift start? " the short answer

was NO and he was not really happy with me for 3 months. I nearly cried

laughing when asked if my feelings were hurt.

Oh yea and we had it in the policy manual that you will always carry you DL

and certs while on duty. He lost his grievance as well.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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I

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

And apparently there is a rule that says the Provider can be fined for

allowing them to work in violation of the ordinance.

Effectively making the Service a Baby sitter. I hate rules like that and

I've dealt with them my whole life. I once had a guy who wanted me to pay his

ticket for failure to have his Drivers License on him when he was involved in a

minor accident in an ambulance. He was not at fault and in fact was backed

into while stopped but running (he's in the drivers seat) he was parked

legally, the offending car was parked illegally in a marked EVO zone and the

damage

was minor, the cop did his job and issued the EMT a ticket for failure to

present a valid drivers licence at the scene of an accident at the time it was

like a 50 buck fine if your license was clear (he was a choir boy in that

respect) so he wants me to pay for it as the boss. I laughed and said " what do

you want me to do see everyone's DL in the AM at shift start? " the short answer

was NO and he was not really happy with me for 3 months. I nearly cried

laughing when asked if my feelings were hurt.

Oh yea and we had it in the policy manual that you will always carry you DL

and certs while on duty. He lost his grievance as well.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

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I

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A few corrections...

> There is no requirement in Texas law that a ticket (citation) be signed.

Failure to do so is not an additional charge.

M> Partially true. In fact, there's recent case law on this on

TDCAA's site. Essentially, as someone else mentioned, a ticket is a

courtesy. Under the Penal Code, a person MAY be released with a

summons if they're willing to sign it. MAY. Officer discretion.

Generally, it's not in the officer's best interest to arrest someone

on a class C misdemeanor (the only ticketable offenses) because a

class C cannot and does not include jail time, so the person gets

released the second they see a judge and enter a plea. The fact that

a citation was being issued indicates that this is a class C offense,

and the fact that it's a city permit violation makes it a ticket for

Violation of a City Ordinance, the permitting ordinance. Refusal to

sign, however, may cause the officer to arrest you on what's called an

instanter - essentially, " instantly " presenting you before a judge (or

holding you for a reasonable amount of time to get you before a judge)

because you refuse to sign and accept a court date. (Traffic law

works somewhat differently, but it's the same concept.)

> When I was in LE we simply called another unit out (generally a Sergeant) to

witness the issuance in the event a subject failed to sign the ticket. Of

course, if the person became guilty of POP (pissing off the police); he

generally received a free one way ticket to jail (his vehicle towed, etc).

Additionally, a signature on a ticket is only a promise to appear in court on

the charges specified (so it means absolutely nothing and a good officer knows

that).

M> Correct. The ticket speficies a requirement to show up in

court. Nothing more. Sign the ticket, then let your agency's general

counsel handle the matter, and notify your attorney (what? you don't

have an attorney? whoops! always have a good attorney on retainer,

or at least a pre-paid legal plan). The agency attorney works for

THEM, not for YOU. Remember that. In this instance, though,

defending you defends the agency.

> I have to agree with Mike in that this probably could have (and IMHO

should have) been dealt with at the administrative level. The officer could

have sent the citation in the mail. Instead it appears there was a scene made

in the presence of the general public.

M> Bad choice all around. Not something my current chief would

support. :)

> The medic could have taken the 1.5 seconds to sign the citation and ended

this also. There was no need to wait for a supervisor if the officer was being

belligerent. This citation could then have been set for trial before a jury and

taken care of very easily.

M> Aside from bruised ego, yes it could. Unless, of course, the

officer had some elevated expectation that their provision of EMS

would cease once the ticket was signed.

Mike :)

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A few corrections...

> There is no requirement in Texas law that a ticket (citation) be signed.

Failure to do so is not an additional charge.

M> Partially true. In fact, there's recent case law on this on

TDCAA's site. Essentially, as someone else mentioned, a ticket is a

courtesy. Under the Penal Code, a person MAY be released with a

summons if they're willing to sign it. MAY. Officer discretion.

Generally, it's not in the officer's best interest to arrest someone

on a class C misdemeanor (the only ticketable offenses) because a

class C cannot and does not include jail time, so the person gets

released the second they see a judge and enter a plea. The fact that

a citation was being issued indicates that this is a class C offense,

and the fact that it's a city permit violation makes it a ticket for

Violation of a City Ordinance, the permitting ordinance. Refusal to

sign, however, may cause the officer to arrest you on what's called an

instanter - essentially, " instantly " presenting you before a judge (or

holding you for a reasonable amount of time to get you before a judge)

because you refuse to sign and accept a court date. (Traffic law

works somewhat differently, but it's the same concept.)

> When I was in LE we simply called another unit out (generally a Sergeant) to

witness the issuance in the event a subject failed to sign the ticket. Of

course, if the person became guilty of POP (pissing off the police); he

generally received a free one way ticket to jail (his vehicle towed, etc).

Additionally, a signature on a ticket is only a promise to appear in court on

the charges specified (so it means absolutely nothing and a good officer knows

that).

M> Correct. The ticket speficies a requirement to show up in

court. Nothing more. Sign the ticket, then let your agency's general

counsel handle the matter, and notify your attorney (what? you don't

have an attorney? whoops! always have a good attorney on retainer,

or at least a pre-paid legal plan). The agency attorney works for

THEM, not for YOU. Remember that. In this instance, though,

defending you defends the agency.

> I have to agree with Mike in that this probably could have (and IMHO

should have) been dealt with at the administrative level. The officer could

have sent the citation in the mail. Instead it appears there was a scene made

in the presence of the general public.

M> Bad choice all around. Not something my current chief would

support. :)

> The medic could have taken the 1.5 seconds to sign the citation and ended

this also. There was no need to wait for a supervisor if the officer was being

belligerent. This citation could then have been set for trial before a jury and

taken care of very easily.

M> Aside from bruised ego, yes it could. Unless, of course, the

officer had some elevated expectation that their provision of EMS

would cease once the ticket was signed.

Mike :)

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Agreed. The real enemies are the fly-by-nights, regardless of what the

trucks say on the side.

What I was addressing, though, was the lesser of two evils between no

municipal licenses or permits for transfer ambulances and a hodgepodge of

municipal

ordinances requiring licenses or permits.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:36:24 PM Central Standard Time,

britton@... writes:

Wes,

Worse yet, it could be a fly by night publicly funded company.

Yes, they are out there.

bkw

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike :)

>

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Agreed. The real enemies are the fly-by-nights, regardless of what the

trucks say on the side.

What I was addressing, though, was the lesser of two evils between no

municipal licenses or permits for transfer ambulances and a hodgepodge of

municipal

ordinances requiring licenses or permits.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:36:24 PM Central Standard Time,

britton@... writes:

Wes,

Worse yet, it could be a fly by night publicly funded company.

Yes, they are out there.

bkw

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike :)

>

>

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Agreed. The real enemies are the fly-by-nights, regardless of what the

trucks say on the side.

What I was addressing, though, was the lesser of two evils between no

municipal licenses or permits for transfer ambulances and a hodgepodge of

municipal

ordinances requiring licenses or permits.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:36:24 PM Central Standard Time,

britton@... writes:

Wes,

Worse yet, it could be a fly by night publicly funded company.

Yes, they are out there.

bkw

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike :)

>

>

> SPONSORED LINKS

> Article health wellness

> Center for health and wellness

> Health and wellness

> Health and wellness program

> Health wellness product

> Health and wellness job

> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

> Visit your group " " on the web.

>

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The city of Beaumont requires all medics operating in the city to obtain an

individual permit, and both the cities of Beaumont and Port Arthur require

services to permit each unit that is to run in their city.

Troy

FF/Tac-P

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

> In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

> sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

>

> The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

> make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

>

> How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

> their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

> least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

> inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

>

> Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

>

>>

>> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

>> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

>> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

>> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

>> > call.

>>

>> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

>> resisting.

>> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

>> duties?

>>

>> Mike :)

>>

>>

>>

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The city of Beaumont requires all medics operating in the city to obtain an

individual permit, and both the cities of Beaumont and Port Arthur require

services to permit each unit that is to run in their city.

Troy

FF/Tac-P

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

> In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

> sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

>

> The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

> make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

>

> How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

> their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

> least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

> inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

>

> Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

>

>>

>> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

>> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

>> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

>> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

>> > call.

>>

>> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

>> resisting.

>> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

>> duties?

>>

>> Mike :)

>>

>>

>>

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One thing...the helicopters will need RSI in addition to horizontal transport

and oxygen...not sure they can fly without that.

Also, will need to equip all units with " run flat " tires so that neither Mother,

Jugs or Speed can slash tires upon arriving at scene.

Dudley

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

> >

> >

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One thing...the helicopters will need RSI in addition to horizontal transport

and oxygen...not sure they can fly without that.

Also, will need to equip all units with " run flat " tires so that neither Mother,

Jugs or Speed can slash tires upon arriving at scene.

Dudley

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike :)

> >

> >

> >

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