Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:35:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,

hatfield@... writes:

but I am beginning to get the feeling that

everyone involved will bear some of the responsibility for what happened,

excluding the family and the patient.

And that last line is where the shame comes in, the ultimate suffering is on

the part of the patient who may or may not (as yet to be proven in the legal

sense) ended getting some level of substandard care. Hence we are back to

the fact there can be NO winners here as it's just too ugly all around at this

point.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:35:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,

hatfield@... writes:

but I am beginning to get the feeling that

everyone involved will bear some of the responsibility for what happened,

excluding the family and the patient.

And that last line is where the shame comes in, the ultimate suffering is on

the part of the patient who may or may not (as yet to be proven in the legal

sense) ended getting some level of substandard care. Hence we are back to

the fact there can be NO winners here as it's just too ugly all around at this

point.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:35:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,

hatfield@... writes:

but I am beginning to get the feeling that

everyone involved will bear some of the responsibility for what happened,

excluding the family and the patient.

And that last line is where the shame comes in, the ultimate suffering is on

the part of the patient who may or may not (as yet to be proven in the legal

sense) ended getting some level of substandard care. Hence we are back to

the fact there can be NO winners here as it's just too ugly all around at this

point.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:35:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,

hatfield@... writes:

What needs to happen, is after all is calm, the services involved need to

sit down and discuss what happened, figure out a way to avoid a repeat, kiss

and make up, and walk away from the table.

And the ultimate sad part is maybe just maybe there was a chance to do that

BEFORE the lights and cameras were on the affected parties?

Of course now we shall never likely know if that was ever possible.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:35:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,

hatfield@... writes:

What needs to happen, is after all is calm, the services involved need to

sit down and discuss what happened, figure out a way to avoid a repeat, kiss

and make up, and walk away from the table.

And the ultimate sad part is maybe just maybe there was a chance to do that

BEFORE the lights and cameras were on the affected parties?

Of course now we shall never likely know if that was ever possible.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:44:49 PM Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

Wes, when I grow up, I wanna be JUST like you! What law school did you go

to? I want to apply there!!!

Mike

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:44:49 PM Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

Wes, when I grow up, I wanna be JUST like you! What law school did you go

to? I want to apply there!!!

Mike

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:44:49 PM Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

Wes, when I grow up, I wanna be JUST like you! What law school did you go

to? I want to apply there!!!

Mike

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:46:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas

Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

What no Maroon in those veins?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:46:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas

Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

What no Maroon in those veins?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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Mike -- email me off-list, I'd be happy to discuss.

-Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:50:20 PM Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

Seriously, when my 20 year attempt at a BS is over, I'd like to discuss

LSAT's with you :-)

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[Guest guest]

Nope, no maroon. I've got a real education, not a SPECIAL education. ;-)

Hook 'em and Guns Up,

Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:49:51 PM Central Standard Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:46:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas

Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

What no Maroon in those veins?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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[Guest guest]

Nope, no maroon. I've got a real education, not a SPECIAL education. ;-)

Hook 'em and Guns Up,

Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:49:51 PM Central Standard Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:46:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas

Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

What no Maroon in those veins?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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[Guest guest]

Nope, no maroon. I've got a real education, not a SPECIAL education. ;-)

Hook 'em and Guns Up,

Wes

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:49:51 PM Central Standard Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:46:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Thanks Mike.... I'm blushing. BA in government and sociology from the

University of Texas. Master's in Public Administration from Texas State

University - San Marcos (formerly SW Texas State).... law degree from Texas

Tech

University in Lubbock.

-Wes

What no Maroon in those veins?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:50:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

20 year attempt at a BS is over

Your a youngling! Try 25+ I live on " Someday Isle " hell of a career even if

I can't keep a job.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:50:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

20 year attempt at a BS is over

Your a youngling! Try 25+ I live on " Someday Isle " hell of a career even if

I can't keep a job.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:52:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Nope, no maroon. I've got a real education, not a SPECIAL education. ;-)

Hook 'em and Guns Up,

Wes

ouch I'm not an Aggie and that hurt@!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:52:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Nope, no maroon. I've got a real education, not a SPECIAL education. ;-)

Hook 'em and Guns Up,

Wes

ouch I'm not an Aggie and that hurt@!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:52:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

Nope, no maroon. I've got a real education, not a SPECIAL education. ;-)

Hook 'em and Guns Up,

Wes

ouch I'm not an Aggie and that hurt@!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Jeff, thank you for recognizing the truth.

All we want at this point is for the charges to be dropped against

our paramedic.

>

> Well let the blasting begin, but from the information I received

the

> call was a private call by the residents daughter which retrived

the

> phone number from LPEMS dispatcher to Baystar. It was dispatched

and

> recorded dispatch lines show that LPEMS was called and attempted

to

> roll the call to them with no confirmation that they were going to

> dispatch a unit. Clearance was given to the unit to respond when

> asked of the City. This is where LPEMS got involved and responded

> then. Now, as it is in the districts I work in, should a outside

> unit catch a run we will respond and take over the call beings it

is

> in our district. This is an easier way to handle it I believe, as

> for LPEMS this is more of an ego trip rather than a severe

breaking

> of the law. Yes before i'm blasted the city has a permit clause,

but

> then the duty to act has been etablished with the call Baystar and

> LPEMS never acted until late. There could have been a call to

> Baystar canceling the unit enroute when the call was dispatched,

> cancelled onscene would have been nice also. Looks like also LPEMS

> was waiting for a service to setup and enforce this clause on and

> Baystar just happen to fall in place at the right time for them.

>

> Jeff

> FF/EMT-P

> Houston

>

[Guest guest]

LP could have already issued multiple warnings to BayStar with no results..

Jack

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of parafireman04

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:37 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Looks like also LPEMS

was waiting for a service to setup and enforce this clause on and

Baystar just happen to fall in place at the right time for them.

Jeff

FF/EMT-P

Houston

[Guest guest]

LP could have already issued multiple warnings to BayStar with no results..

Jack

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of parafireman04

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:37 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

Looks like also LPEMS

was waiting for a service to setup and enforce this clause on and

Baystar just happen to fall in place at the right time for them.

Jeff

FF/EMT-P

Houston

[Guest guest]

> Yes before i'm blasted the city has a permit clause, but

> then the duty to act has been etablished with the call Baystar and

> LPEMS never acted until late.

Okay, so call me Rob, but how is there a DUTY to act when responding

to a private, non-emergency call for service? There is a CONTRACT to

act, an agreement between the caller and the private EMS service, but

DUTY involves an absolute requirement to perform an action - in this

case, to respond. Baystar had no DUTY, as they could have refused the

call for any number of reasons.

In this case, however, had it been an EMERGENCY call, LPEMS seems to

have the DUTY to act. Being a non-emergency call, their city

ordinance allows them to accept or reject the CONTRACT to act, or to

allow a licensed provider to accept that contract instead.

Regardless of the Baystar/LPEMS licensing agreement, whether or not

LPEMS rolled the call to Baystar (as it appears from dispatch

transcripts and witness statements they did), Baystar had no DUTY to

act, just a CONTRACTED AGREEMENT to respond.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> Yes before i'm blasted the city has a permit clause, but

> then the duty to act has been etablished with the call Baystar and

> LPEMS never acted until late.

Okay, so call me Rob, but how is there a DUTY to act when responding

to a private, non-emergency call for service? There is a CONTRACT to

act, an agreement between the caller and the private EMS service, but

DUTY involves an absolute requirement to perform an action - in this

case, to respond. Baystar had no DUTY, as they could have refused the

call for any number of reasons.

In this case, however, had it been an EMERGENCY call, LPEMS seems to

have the DUTY to act. Being a non-emergency call, their city

ordinance allows them to accept or reject the CONTRACT to act, or to

allow a licensed provider to accept that contract instead.

Regardless of the Baystar/LPEMS licensing agreement, whether or not

LPEMS rolled the call to Baystar (as it appears from dispatch

transcripts and witness statements they did), Baystar had no DUTY to

act, just a CONTRACTED AGREEMENT to respond.

Mike

[Guest guest]

" baystarems " <baystarems@m...> wrote:

>

> All we want at this point is for the charges to be dropped against

> our paramedic.

I certainly respect that, but I hope you eventually set your sights

higher. I want to see heads roll in LaPorte. The dispatcher, the EMS

supervisor, and the all cop fired at the very least. Decertification

for the EMS supervisor. Federal civil rights charges for the police

department. Major civil charges against the city from the family.

Rob