Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

[Guest guest]

Don't forget the kickback to the medical examiner for the body hauls.

[Guest guest]

Don't forget the kickback to the medical examiner for the body hauls.

[Guest guest]

But the story indicated the outside service called requested permission from

the permitted service to respond to a call in there area and was granted

permission, right?

Sure glad we don't have permitted cities around here, is it really in the

best interest if the citizens?

Jim<

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hatfield

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:14 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure if it is, but I'm also not sure that it's in the citizens' best

interest to have multiple fly-by-night private transfer services either.

-Wes Ogilvie

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the

police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point.

Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled

the situation in the wrong way.

Wayne

wrote:

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the

police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point.

Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled

the situation in the wrong way.

Wayne

wrote:

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the

police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point.

Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled

the situation in the wrong way.

Wayne

wrote:

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a

custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and

open container.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

drakedunivan@... writes:

what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign

the ticket till the Supervisor should up,

Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the

" normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here

is

a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street

level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street

medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route)

but my view is shaded.

That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a

custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and

open container.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

drakedunivan@... writes:

what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign

the ticket till the Supervisor should up,

Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the

" normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here

is

a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street

level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street

medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route)

but my view is shaded.

That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a

custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and

open container.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

drakedunivan@... writes:

what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign

the ticket till the Supervisor should up,

Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the

" normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here

is

a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street

level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street

medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route)

but my view is shaded.

That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

AMEN!!!!

Wayne D wrote: I think that the family should be sueing the

City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he

just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer,

because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way.

Wayne

wrote:

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AMEN!!!!

Wayne D wrote: I think that the family should be sueing the

City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he

just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer,

because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way.

Wayne

wrote:

This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks.

Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was

just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte

police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED.

At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say

they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act.

The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact

as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important

that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital.

The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the

conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at

Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this

incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered.

This is a statement to the networks.

On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was

contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members

having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point

in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the

patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has

an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to

notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The

patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent

to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's

ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or

inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us

response.

Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were

stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our

crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this

residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS

supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient

contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family

attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS

supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact,

that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.

During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being

issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor

arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they

could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte

supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's

arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail.

Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling

upon us.

Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor

arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police

officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and

dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated

by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police

officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the

ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began

bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied

Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.

As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene

due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with

the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to

assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after

our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the

patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients

deteriorating condition.

The patient is now listed in critical condition. .

Owner

Bay Star Ambulance Service

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can think of a few around Houston.

Houston,

Galveston,

Pasadena,

LaPorte,

Baytown,

Austin,

Fort Worth is a sole provider.

ville,

I'm certain there are others.

Jack

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hatfield

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:14 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can think of a few around Houston.

Houston,

Galveston,

Pasadena,

LaPorte,

Baytown,

Austin,

Fort Worth is a sole provider.

ville,

I'm certain there are others.

Jack

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hatfield

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:14 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can think of a few around Houston.

Houston,

Galveston,

Pasadena,

LaPorte,

Baytown,

Austin,

Fort Worth is a sole provider.

ville,

I'm certain there are others.

Jack

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hatfield

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:14 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three

sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened.

The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that

make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out.

How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside

their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at

least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate

inside the city limits. 10.00 per year.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

>

> > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > call.

>

> Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> resisting.

> Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> duties?

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lou, MANY Cities in Texas have what they call Certificates of Necessity, or

permits...very common.

[Guest guest]

Lou, MANY Cities in Texas have what they call Certificates of Necessity, or

permits...very common.

[Guest guest]

Lou, MANY Cities in Texas have what they call Certificates of Necessity, or

permits...very common.

[Guest guest]

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our

citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control

who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not.

We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance

by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and

request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and

permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits.

(I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after

money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our

citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from

entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would

not be safe for our citizens.

> > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked

> > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground

> > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the

> > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another

> > > call.

> >

> > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get

> > resisting.

> > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official

> > duties?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There is no requirement in Texas law that a ticket (citation) be signed.

Failure to do so is not an additional charge. When I was in LE we simply called

another unit out (generally a Sergeant) to witness the issuance in the event a

subject failed to sign the ticket. Of course, if the person became guilty of

POP (pissing off the police); he generally received a free one way ticket to

jail (his vehicle towed, etc). Additionally, a signature on a ticket is only a

promise to appear in court on the charges specified (so it means absolutely

nothing and a good officer knows that).

I have to agree with Mike in that this probably could have (and IMHO

should have) been dealt with at the administrative level. The officer could

have sent the citation in the mail. Instead it appears there was a scene made

in the presence of the general public.

The medic could have taken the 1.5 seconds to sign the citation and ended this

also. There was no need to wait for a supervisor if the officer was being

belligerent. This citation could then have been set for trial before a jury and

taken care of very easily.

It’s hard to really say what should have been done or could have been done

since all of the information we have is hearsay. We have absolutely no 1st hand

account from this incident. We are all judging and arm chair quarterbacking

based on a news article (or course it must be 100% correct) and some injected

comments from others on this list.

Like many have already stated, there is more to this story than meets the eye.

I would like to hear a copy of the aforementioned tape. I would love to hear

the officer’s side, the medic’s, as well as any bystanders that were present.

Let us, as fellow EMS and LE Professionals wait until all of the facts are

present before we jump to conclusions and public floggings.

Tater

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a

custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and

open container.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

drakedunivan@... writes:

what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign

the ticket till the Supervisor should up,

Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the

" normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here

is

a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street

level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street

medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route)

but my view is shaded.

That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

There is no requirement in Texas law that a ticket (citation) be signed.

Failure to do so is not an additional charge. When I was in LE we simply called

another unit out (generally a Sergeant) to witness the issuance in the event a

subject failed to sign the ticket. Of course, if the person became guilty of

POP (pissing off the police); he generally received a free one way ticket to

jail (his vehicle towed, etc). Additionally, a signature on a ticket is only a

promise to appear in court on the charges specified (so it means absolutely

nothing and a good officer knows that).

I have to agree with Mike in that this probably could have (and IMHO

should have) been dealt with at the administrative level. The officer could

have sent the citation in the mail. Instead it appears there was a scene made

in the presence of the general public.

The medic could have taken the 1.5 seconds to sign the citation and ended this

also. There was no need to wait for a supervisor if the officer was being

belligerent. This citation could then have been set for trial before a jury and

taken care of very easily.

It’s hard to really say what should have been done or could have been done

since all of the information we have is hearsay. We have absolutely no 1st hand

account from this incident. We are all judging and arm chair quarterbacking

based on a news article (or course it must be 100% correct) and some injected

comments from others on this list.

Like many have already stated, there is more to this story than meets the eye.

I would like to hear a copy of the aforementioned tape. I would love to hear

the officer’s side, the medic’s, as well as any bystanders that were present.

Let us, as fellow EMS and LE Professionals wait until all of the facts are

present before we jump to conclusions and public floggings.

Tater

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a

custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and

open container.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte

In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

drakedunivan@... writes:

what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign

the ticket till the Supervisor should up,

Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the

" normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here

is

a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street

level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street

medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route)

but my view is shaded.

That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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