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December 15, 2001

Oh nothing surprises me anymore but I have learned to drink heavily to

block out all the nasty feelings I have about the cult freaks.

kisses

Tom Boy

At 06:01 AM 16/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

Believe it or not there was this

guy who used to come to meetings

with a dictionary from the 30's. He claimed it was necessary in

order to interpret correctly the AA writings of that time.

Pat

> > > >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a

copy

> > > >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11

sheet.

> > > >

> > > > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford

groups.

> > > >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and

Eve,

> > > >garden of Eden or original sin than there is

" proof " of

> > > >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

> > >

> > >[snip]

> > >

> > >I don't think this would work. Most committed AA

members

> > >seem to have convinced themselves that it's

" spiritual, not

> > >religious " and that it's universal rather than

Christian. A

> > >pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about

the

> > >Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact

at

> > >all.

> > >

> > > H.

> > >

> >

>

>====================================================================

> >Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic

be

alcohol

> >or

> >morphine or idealism.

> >

> >--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist, founded

psychology

> >

>

>_________________________________________________________________

> >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

>

>http://www.hotmail.com

> >

December 15, 2001

Scientology perhaps?

kisses

Boy

At 06:16 AM 16/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

i wonder what word in that

dictionary would have best decribed a

" universal creative intelligence of whom we are all it's

children "

> > > > >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it

to a

copy

> > > > >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x

11 sheet.

> > > > >

> > > > > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford

groups.

> > > > >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam

and

Eve,

> > > > >garden of Eden or original sin than there is

" proof " of

> > > > >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

> > > >

> > > >[snip]

> > > >

> > > >I don't think this would work. Most committed AA

members

> > > >seem to have convinced themselves that it's

" spiritual, not

> > > >religious " and that it's universal rather than

Christian. A

> > > >pamphlet like this would probably have to explain

about

the

> > > >Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact

at

> > > >all.

> > > >

> > > > H.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >===============================================

=====================

> > >Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the

narcotic be

> alcohol

> > >or

> > >morphine or idealism.

> > >

> > >--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist,

founded

> psychology

> > >

__________________________________________________

_______________

> > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN

Hotmail.

> >

>http://www.hotmail.com

> > >

December 15, 2001

Scientology perhaps?

kisses

Boy

At 06:16 AM 16/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

i wonder what word in that

dictionary would have best decribed a

" universal creative intelligence of whom we are all it's

children "

> > > > >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it

to a

copy

> > > > >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x

11 sheet.

> > > > >

> > > > > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford

groups.

> > > > >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam

and

Eve,

> > > > >garden of Eden or original sin than there is

" proof " of

> > > > >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

> > > >

> > > >[snip]

> > > >

> > > >I don't think this would work. Most committed AA

members

> > > >seem to have convinced themselves that it's

" spiritual, not

> > > >religious " and that it's universal rather than

Christian. A

> > > >pamphlet like this would probably have to explain

about

the

> > > >Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact

at

> > > >all.

> > > >

> > > > H.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >===============================================

=====================

> > >Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the

narcotic be

> alcohol

> > >or

> > >morphine or idealism.

> > >

> > >--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist,

founded

> psychology

> > >

__________________________________________________

_______________

> > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN

Hotmail.

> >

>http://www.hotmail.com

> > >

December 16, 2001

thats a good anwser, partial credit to you.

its a qoute from BB of wilson describing a higher power to which

we are to turn are wills over to. i suspect in a 1930's dictionary

the most appropriate entry to describe such a thing is " god " .

-- In 12-step-free@y..., Tomboy wrote:

> Scientology perhaps?

>

> kisses

> Boy

>

> At 06:16 AM 16/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >i wonder what word in that dictionary would have best

decribed a

> > " universal creative intelligence of whom we are all it's

children "

> >

> > > > > > >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a

> >copy

> > > > > > >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11

sheet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> > > > > > >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam

and

> >Eve,

> > > > > > >garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

> > > > > > >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >[snip]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I don't think this would work. Most committed AA

> >members

> > > > > >seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual,

not

> > > > > >religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian.

A

> > > > > >pamphlet like this would probably have to explain

about

> >the

> > > > > >Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact

at

> > > > > >all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > H.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >=============================================

==

> >=====================

> > > > >Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the

> >narcotic be

> > > alcohol

> > > > >or

> > > > >morphine or idealism.

> > > > >

> > > > >--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist,

> >founded

> > > psychology

> > > > >

> >

__________________________________________________

> >_______________

> > > > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN

Hotmail.

> > > > >http://www.hotmail.com

> > > > >

December 16, 2001

thats a good anwser, partial credit to you.

its a qoute from BB of wilson describing a higher power to which

we are to turn are wills over to. i suspect in a 1930's dictionary

the most appropriate entry to describe such a thing is " god " .

-- In 12-step-free@y..., Tomboy wrote:

> Scientology perhaps?

>

> kisses

> Boy

>

> At 06:16 AM 16/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >i wonder what word in that dictionary would have best

decribed a

> > " universal creative intelligence of whom we are all it's

children "

> >

> > > > > > >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a

> >copy

> > > > > > >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11

sheet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> > > > > > >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam

and

> >Eve,

> > > > > > >garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

> > > > > > >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >[snip]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I don't think this would work. Most committed AA

> >members

> > > > > >seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual,

not

> > > > > >religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian.

A

> > > > > >pamphlet like this would probably have to explain

about

> >the

> > > > > >Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact

at

> > > > > >all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > H.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >=============================================

==

> >=====================

> > > > >Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the

> >narcotic be

> > > alcohol

> > > > >or

> > > > >morphine or idealism.

> > > > >

> > > > >--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist,

> >founded

> > > psychology

> > > > >

> >

__________________________________________________

> >_______________

> > > > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN

Hotmail.

> > > > >http://www.hotmail.com

> > > > >

December 16, 2001

Hi Pat

LMAO!! Did he drive to meetings in a car with a rumble seat? Har har

har har!

Tom

> Believe it or not there was this guy who used to come to meetings

> with a dictionary from the 30's. He claimed it was necessary in

> order to interpret correctly the AA writings of that time.

December 16, 2001

Hi Abbadun

I have never understood why you persist in engaging 12 steppers in

debate. If this makes or keeps you well, then I'm happy for you.

Myself, I find such activity less than useless. It is clear that Bill

had ZERO respect for the opinions or religious beliefs of

others, and paid lip service to the " rights " of others to believe

differently only because he was, at heart, a con man with a snake oil

program to sell. And sell he did, becoming wealthy and, in his own

twisted little mind, powerful in the process.

It should be clear by now that his cultist followers, at least those

who " get " the Program, believe as Bill did: that their way is the

only way, that they are going to give it to us by hook or by crook,

and if we don't " get it " , then we are going to be screwed over by

his " Loving God " in a way that only the Almighty can screw over the

constitutionally incapable wretches who refuse to accept what's good

for them when it is shoved down their powerless undeserving throats.

Oh, and as far as that lip service bullshit about carrying the

message to others goes, they really don't give a rat's ass about us

if we are not prepared to bend over and accept their superiority in

all things moral. Like the chapter on " Working with Others " says, if

some pathetic alcoholic slob just can't or won't take the bait,

fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, just move on and find some other

patsy.

Egad. Sorry about all the profanity. Methinks I had a bit of pent-up

anger to unleash there. But I do feel better now!

Take care, Abbadun.

Regards,

Tom

> > > >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a copy

> > > >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11 sheet.

> > > >

> > > > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> > > >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and Eve,

> > > >garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

> > > >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

> > >

> > >[snip]

> > >

> > >I don't think this would work. Most committed AA members

> > >seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual, not

> > >religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian. A

> > >pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about the

> > >Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact at

> > >all.

> > >

> > > H.

> > >

> >

>

>====================================================================

> >Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be

alcohol

> >or

> >morphine or idealism.

> >

> >--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist, founded

psychology

> >

> >_________________________________________________________________

> >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

> >http://www.hotmail.com

> >

December 16, 2001