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[Guest guest]

The only medication I was ever on was valium and that was

over twenty five years ago.

THE REAL AA is actually a lot more sinister than even anti-AA's

would dare imagine. AA is run by very different people than is

imagined by most people. I've only hinted at some of the stuff

I've found out in my investigation, and I'm a professional

investigator.

See " GSO WATCH " website for a few more hints.

GSO men spending hundreds of thousands on prostitutes....

Oh, it couldn't be! Your dollar bills in action!

[Guest guest]

Whenever they say " spiritual " not " religious " at meetings

I YELL OUT " WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE " .

There is none...see Webster's dictionary for more.

Cheers!

[Guest guest]

As is well known, thousands of AA's go out and binge drink once they

find out that they are " powerless " . They kill at least ten thousand

people a year in drunk driving accidents. I saw one study that showed

that over seventy percent of drunk drivers who kill people in accidents

have attended AA. They killed no one before they attended AA.

AA kills! AA kills more drunks than it saves, if it truly saves any at all.

I have had AA members threaten my life....these people are passive

aggressive and will first try to get you to drink yourself to death by

spreading untrue malicious gossip rumors around the program so

that you are scared to go to meetings.

I have had several old time sponsors tell me " this gossip kills people " .

Many of these people have screwed their lives up beyond repair with

multiple felony convictions and have NOTHING TO LOSE by trying anything

to drag down those they are jealous of! I don't know about any of you but

here's my experience. I got sober in my home state of Florida,

moved to Los Angeles and then to Austin. I have attended AA in all three

states

and have felt nauseated on many occasions at the people I was surrounded by a

t the meeting. I simply refuse to mix with them anymore. People judge you

by the friends you keep. I have friends who have recently moved here to

Austin from LA and they tell me AA in LA is almost all convicts on parole

at the meetings. It's only about half felons here in Austin but degenerating.

IN short, we are not yet ready to reveal all on AA, but I can tell you this.

I have been a documentary filmmaker for over thirty years and my filmcrew

is working on EXPOSING AA CORRUPTION as I type this. Cheers!

Janice...I'm too old for you...be good!

[Guest guest]

Netty...This a DVCAM shoot...may transfer to film but I doubt it.

the digital quality is so good now it's no longer necessary.

Even Lucas is going to video...HDCAM. DVCAM is near HDCAM.

What we are doing is a video version of the book AA HORROR STORIES>

People are so media A/V oriented today that we can reach a lot more

people with video than abook will. Personally, I'm a bookworm with over

two thousand books in my personal collection, but not everyone is that way.

We have a lot of people here in Austin from England (as in LA) , and they

werer actually the first to see through AA propaganda.

IN England, the psychiatrist have long recommended that alcoholics

STAY AWAY FROM AA! They pioneered ( Sargeant) Battle for the

Mind Studies decades ago. What we are looking for is people willing to on

camera with their AA horror story...This is a TIME WARNER AUSTIN ACCESS

shoot. It will probably go worldwide. We have recently done a bunch of stuff

with CHANNEL FOUR/BBC (Bohemian Grove expose''). Where are you?

[Guest guest]

Netty...The public access act was repealed three years ago.

Most public access stations have shut down.

However, some of the stations had a huge talent base so Time Warner

poured millions into a few remaining stations buying us full digital

(as in Sony DVCAM packages-they bought our station EIGHT DVCAMS)

and a massive assortment of digital A/B editing equipment.

Of course, thems that has, gets, so this has in turn attracted even

more talent. (over 500 celebrities " hide out " here in Austin.)

IN short, WE ARE SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK about this pic.

The filmcrew members average twenty feature film shoots.

If any of you are truly serious with verifiable horror stories about being

in AA...well...we welcome you and ...there are more of us than you think.

[Guest guest]

> In the late seventies and early eighties I was in this secret

group of aa's

> who held wicca/tarot/seance type meetings at some rather

snazzy private

> homes. There were only seven or eight of us but they broke up

and were

> exposed when guys started competing over women in the

group.

> AA women really suck...they take full advantage of the larger

number of men

> than women to prick tease them, start fights, and get them

drunk.

> I know several active prostitutes who screw five men a night

and then

> go to AA meeting, say lord's prayer and tease and reject the

men there.

> AA is the only place I've ever been where women did this to me.

> I am worth a great deal more than I show at AA meetings, and

if these

> women knew the truth they would be on me like white on rice.

> I know this because one time I drove my mercedes 500

instead of

> old vovlvo and four AA women asked me out....golddiggin

backstabbers.

Did we forget to take our medication today?

Devin

[Guest guest]

At 11:24 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a copy

>shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11 sheet.

>

> " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

>There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and Eve,

>garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

>Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

[snip]

I don't think this would work. Most committed AA members

seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual, not

religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian. A

pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about the

Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact at

all.

H.

[Guest guest]

tell this to the Victory Outreach Christians in south

central los angeles. they go around LA brainwashing

young adults. they keep you for 90 days (supposely

the same amount of time it took Jesus to write some

scripture) and show the guys how to love one another

using 12-steps...lol...they encourage you to stay away

from family members. CHRISTIAN CULT CRAZY EH? there

is only one christian i admire and it was my high

school counsalor who helped me out without

discriminating me for being born catholic.

--- malgeo@...> wrote:

> At 11:24 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it

> to a copy

> >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11

> sheet.

> >

> > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam

> and Eve,

> >garden of Eden or original sin than there is

> " proof " of

> >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

>

> [snip]

>

> I don't think this would work. Most committed AA

> members

> seem to have convinced themselves that it's

> " spiritual, not

> religious " and that it's universal rather than

> Christian. A

> pamphlet like this would probably have to explain

> about the

> Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any

> impact at

> all.

>

> H.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> The only medication I was ever on was valium and that was

> over twenty five years ago.

> THE REAL AA is actually a lot more sinister than even anti-AA's

> would dare imagine. AA is run by very different people than is

> imagined by most people. I've only hinted at some of the stuff

> I've found out in my investigation, and I'm a professional

> investigator.

> See " GSO WATCH " website for a few more hints.

> GSO men spending hundreds of thousands on prostitutes....

> Oh, it couldn't be! Your dollar bills in action!

Hey investigator,

Please, do tell us more.

Cut the hint shit.

netty

[Guest guest]

> As is well known, thousands of AA's go out and binge drink once they

> find out that they are " powerless " . They kill at least ten thousand

> people a year in drunk driving accidents. I saw one study that

showed

> that over seventy percent of drunk drivers who kill people in

accidents

> have attended AA. They killed no one before they attended AA.

> AA kills! AA kills more drunks than it saves, if it truly saves any

at all.

> I have had AA members threaten my life....these people are passive

> aggressive and will first try to get you to drink yourself to death

by

> spreading untrue malicious gossip rumors around the program so

> that you are scared to go to meetings.

> I have had several old time sponsors tell me " this gossip kills

people " .

> Many of these people have screwed their lives up beyond repair with

> multiple felony convictions and have NOTHING TO LOSE by trying

anything

> to drag down those they are jealous of! I don't know about any of

you but

> here's my experience. I got sober in my home state of Florida,

> moved to Los Angeles and then to Austin. I have attended AA in all

three

> states

> and have felt nauseated on many occasions at the people I was

surrounded by a

> t the meeting. I simply refuse to mix with them anymore. People

judge you

> by the friends you keep. I have friends who have recently moved

here to

> Austin from LA and they tell me AA in LA is almost all convicts on

parole

> at the meetings. It's only about half felons here in Austin but

degenerating.

> IN short, we are not yet ready to reveal all on AA, but I can tell

you this.

> I have been a documentary filmmaker for over thirty years and my

filmcrew

> is working on EXPOSING AA CORRUPTION as I type this. Cheers!

Oh....I want to help with this movie.

I know what you are talking about. Would you like to

be a decoy? Could get some good (bad) info.

Whatever, do not give up on the movie.

Can you tell us more about it?

netty

[Guest guest]

> Oh....I want to help with this movie.

> I know what you are talking about. Would you like to

> be a decoy? Could get some good (bad) info.

> Whatever, do not give up on the movie.

> Can you tell us more about it?

>

> netty

Netty,

Just occoured to me to ask. Are you a big movie fan? This would

make sence. I like movies alot, it's my father who is the real

movie freak.

By the way how have you interpreted my personality? What do

you think I look like?

Devin

[Guest guest]

> Netty...This a DVCAM shoot...may transfer to film but I doubt it.

> the digital quality is so good now it's no longer necessary.

> Even Lucas is going to video...HDCAM. DVCAM is near HDCAM.

> What we are doing is a video version of the book AA HORROR STORIES>

> People are so media A/V oriented today that we can reach a lot more

> people with video than abook will. Personally, I'm a bookworm with

over

> two thousand books in my personal collection, but not everyone is

that way.

> We have a lot of people here in Austin from England (as in LA) ,

and they

> werer actually the first to see through AA propaganda.

> IN England, the psychiatrist have long recommended that alcoholics

> STAY AWAY FROM AA! They pioneered ( Sargeant) Battle for

the

> Mind Studies decades ago. What we are looking for is people willing

to on

> camera with their AA horror story...This is a TIME WARNER AUSTIN

ACCESS

> shoot. It will probably go worldwide. We have recently done a bunch

of stuff

> with CHANNEL FOUR/BBC (Bohemian Grove expose''). Where are you?

I'm in MN. Can i get this Channel Four/BBC?

I don't want to be in any film, just want to help

keep it accurate. My view of accurate...lol.

netty

ps-Have you meet those people in AA horror stories?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Netty,

>

> Just occoured to me to ask. Are you a big movie fan? This would

> make sence. I like movies alot, it's my father who is the real

> movie freak.

>

> By the way how have you interpreted my personality? What do

> you think I look like?

>

> Devin

Hi Devin,

Am not a big movie fan. And i hardly ever watch TV.

Use to watch a few movies a week when hubby was around.

Just don't anymore. Maybe cause of the computer. Plus,

i have many books to read and lots of stuff to study.

I'll tell, if you give how you scored. And i think you look

like a lizard, one of those gecko's with organge spots. I use

to have one for a pet. lol

netty

[Guest guest]

> Hi Devin,

>

> Am not a big movie fan. And i hardly ever watch TV.

> Use to watch a few movies a week when hubby was

around.

> Just don't anymore. Maybe cause of the computer. Plus,

> i have many books to read and lots of stuff to study.

>

> I'll tell, if you give how you scored. And i think you look

> like a lizard, one of those gecko's with organge spots. I use

> to have one for a pet. lol

>

> netty

The damn personality test wont work for me, what does that say?

I do not look like a lizard. Lizardking is dead, I killed him.

Devin

[Guest guest]

>

>

> The damn personality test wont work for me, what does that say?

> I do not look like a lizard. Lizardking is dead, I killed him.

>

> Devin

Devin,

I'm sorry, just i don't have a clue what you look like.

I was teasing.

Why doesn't the damn test work for you?

Just kinda guess as close as possible...when stumped, think

back to when you were a kid. It's just a game, nothing carved

in stone.

netty

[Guest guest]

> Netty...The public access act was repealed three years ago.

> Most public access stations have shut down.

> However, some of the stations had a huge talent base so Time Warner

> poured millions into a few remaining stations buying us full digital

> (as in Sony DVCAM packages-they bought our station EIGHT DVCAMS)

> and a massive assortment of digital A/B editing equipment.

> Of course, thems that has, gets, so this has in turn attracted even

> more talent. (over 500 celebrities " hide out " here in Austin.)

> IN short, WE ARE SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK about this pic.

> The filmcrew members average twenty feature film shoots.

> If any of you are truly serious with verifiable horror stories

about being

> in AA...well...we welcome you and ...there are more of us than you

think.

Hi skplws,

Oh boy, get to show my stupidity here. I have no idea what

A/B editing equipment is or any of that DVCAM/HDCAM stuff???

Sorry!

netty

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > The damn personality test wont work for me, what does that

say?

> > I do not look like a lizard. Lizardking is dead, I killed him.

> >

> > Devin

>

>

>

> Devin,

>

> I'm sorry, just i don't have a clue what you look like.

> I was teasing.

> Why doesn't the damn test work for you?

> Just kinda guess as close as possible...when stumped,

think

> back to when you were a kid. It's just a game, nothing carved

> in stone.

>

> netty

Netty,

I mean when I put in for the results, some kind of error came up -

it refused to evaluate my personality altogether. Wow, I must be

REALLY bad even the test dosen't like me. LOL

I know you were just teasing about the lizard, actually I like

lizards. I had pet salamanders when I was a kid.

Devin

[Guest guest]

>

> Netty,

>

> I mean when I put in for the results, some kind of error came up -

> it refused to evaluate my personality altogether. Wow, I must be

> REALLY bad even the test dosen't like me. LOL

>

> I know you were just teasing about the lizard, actually I like

> lizards. I had pet salamanders when I was a kid.

>

> Devin

You can just read the info, and figure it out for yourself.

I didn't even try the test on line. Just learned what all

the letters meant. Suppose thats cheating. oh-well

Salamanders are much nicer then gecko's. Those damn things

bite and don't let go. I also had to always stop and get it

crickets and baby mice, vicious little thing. Kids dumped

it on me, finally got it sold. It was a interesting pet,

but would much rather have salamandars.

netty

[Guest guest]

> I know several active prostitutes who screw five men a night and

then

> go to AA meeting, say lord's prayer and tease and reject the men

there.

> AA is the only place I've ever been where women did this to me.

At this one meeting I went to, the topic was Thirteenth Stepping

since some of the newcomer women had been sexually exploited by the

group's predator. I was shocked when a couple of the women in

attendence actually thought that this behavior was acceptable and

then bragged about being in a meeting with four or so men that they

had previously slept with. And of course, they serenely said the

Lord's Prayer at the close of the meeting. I would not have really

cared about these " ladies " and their sexcapades yet they thought that

much of the sleazy behavior towards newcomers by the male AAers was

okay.

> I am worth a great deal more than I show at AA meetings, and if

these

> women knew the truth they would be on me like white on rice.

> I know this because one time I drove my mercedes 500 instead of

> old vovlvo and four AA women asked me out....golddiggin

backstabbers.

There are a lot of goldiggers in the " program " . Any cult draws

people who are looking to help an unsuspecting person empty his/her

wallet.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

Atta grrrlll, Janice!!!

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[Guest guest]

ALLISON:

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY.

THERE ARE DOZENS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHURCHES.

NOT ALL ARE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN WHICH IS WHERE

MOST PEOPLE IN RECOVERY GET IN TROUBLE.

FUNDAMENTALISM IS THE PROBLEM.

I WAS SOBER TEN YEARS IN A MAIN LINE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH

WHERE THE BIBLE WAS VIEWED NON-LITERALLY AND USED AS A

GUIDE FOR ETHICAL LIVING.[sIC]

MY " SPONSOR " THERE WAS THE SOUTHEASTERN VP OF AMERICAN

EXPRESS AT THE TIME.

RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT AA IS MOSTLY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS

AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS AND ABOVE AND LOWER CLASS PEOPLE

DO IT THE CHURCH WAY OR ON THEIR OWN.

IN OTHER WORDS, ITS NO SURPRISE THAT AA ONLY GETS ABOUT

ONE-FIFTH OF THE PROSPECTS FOR ALCOHOLISM TREATMENT.

Even church ministers are skeptical of a program that forces others

under legal intimidation to accept their version of the truth.

I have had a number of ministers tell me that " AA's are a bunch of demons " .

There is still a secret place in me that thinks this could be true.

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

> GO TO AA MEETING.

> ANNOUNCE THAT WILSON/SMITH WERE EACH ABOUT THREE YEARS SOBER IN

FOUR STEP

> OXFORD GROUP WHEN THEY FOUNDED AA.

> AA THE ONLY WAY....YEAH....SURE....

> I WAS TEN YEARS SOBER IN '85 IN CHURCH RECOVERY GROUP.

> ALL AA PEOPLE EVER DID WAS SNICKER AT ME FOR IT.

> NONE OF THE SNICKERER'S EVER GOT FIVE YEARS....MOST NOT

> EVEN CLOSE TO FIVE YEARS.

> AA GOT ME DRUNK AGAIN!

AA/NAers look down on people who go to church to help with addiction

issues rather than use the " program " . One part of the NA readings

has this line about how some people left the " program " under a

religious zeal only to return again with worse problems. Church

groups do tend to have a better success rate with

alcoholism/addiction than AA or NA. A woman I knew from

the " program " left after she got involved with her religion. That

eight years ago and the woman has not relapsed.

I remember when I was new in the " rooms " how a man mentioned that he

could not wait for the court-mandated meetings to be overwith since

he was involved with his faith and did a lot of work for the church

which helped him to overcome his drug problem. He also had church

responsibilities that he was proud of. Of course, a long-time

stepper told him that condescending, " The church will save only your

soul but WE will save your ass. " Good Lord, no wonder so many people

get drunk or high again. I do understand that church or any other

type of worship facility is not for all people.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> AA/NAers look down on people who go to church to help with

addiction

> issues rather than use the " program " . One part of the NA readings

> has this line about how some people left the " program " under a

> religious zeal only to return again with worse problems. Church

> groups do tend to have a better success rate with

> alcoholism/addiction than AA or NA.

Hi ,

I dont know if Chaz Bufe s still on this list but I remember him

saying he had done some research that showed that church groups were

doing better with alcohlics than AA right back in the 1940s. It

makes sense to me. If you have the same cultural background as the

church group you go to, you will feel more " at home " and you will be

able to relate to the other ppl more. AA's " ACME " supposed one size

fits all religion just doesnt compare.

P.

[Guest guest]

Bill and Bob were three+ years sober in church group

when they started AA! Oxford Group has always really been the Lutheran

church in disguise! Berne said alcoholics have a " don't think Injunction "

from their " pig parents " Truer words never spoken

[Guest guest]

Bill and Bob were three+ years sober in church group

when they started AA! Oxford Group has always really been the Lutheran

church in disguise! Berne said alcoholics have a " don't think Injunction "

from their " pig parents " Truer words never spoken