(No subject)

[Guest guest]

> I WAS SOBER TEN YEARS IN A MAIN LINE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH

> WHERE THE BIBLE WAS VIEWED NON-LITERALLY AND USED AS A

> GUIDE FOR ETHICAL LIVING.[sIC]

I am a practicing Catholic and went to the priest back in 1997 re:

some past family issues that I was still having trouble with. When

the priest recommended counseling, I piped up about how I go to AA

and NA. Father Bob advised that I stop going to these meetings since

the " program " is run by people who are not qualified to counsel

others. Even though I did not leave the AA and NA until this past

February, I am glad that this cleric had the courage to tell me what

he truly thought of these twelve-step programs thus planting the seed.

P.S. You are absolutely right about the many AA/NA women and their

behavior towards the male steppers.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

I hope that you have gone back and thanked Father Bob because this is the

most incredible gift he could have given you.

I used to go to catholic retreats (for people in recovery) and they

were wonderful. We had our own special Franciscan named Father Bob and I

have a great deal of fond memories of him!

kisses

Tom Boy

At 09:49 PM 12/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

I am a practicing Catholic and went

to the priest back in 1997 re:

some past family issues that I was still having trouble with. When

the priest recommended counseling, I piped up about how I go to AA

and NA. Father Bob advised that I stop going to these meetings

since

the " program " is run by people who are not qualified to counsel

others. Even though I did not leave the AA and NA until this past

February, I am glad that this cleric had the courage to tell me what

he truly thought of these twelve-step programs thus planting the

seed.

P.S. You are absolutely right about the many AA/NA women and their

behavior towards the male steppers.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

I have stated this many times at AA meetings over the past fifteen years.

I own the small diagnostic of DSM3r (yes I know " 4 " is out)(with appropriate

billing codes for two hundred new disorders)

I used to have Shiner Bock (Austin slacker beverage)inhandraised disorder!

To be truthful, I was really a chronic undifferentiated dypsomaniac with

periodic wino-lush-slacker disorder....but now I'm free...freee..free to be

me....

Go find Rose and ask about order

Go find Rose and ask about Yale

There is no more Yale

There is no more order

Yale is a sheet of radioactive glass thirty miles accross

From Jefferson Starship's " Nuclear Furniture " album

cheers

[Guest guest]

I have stated this many times at AA meetings over the past fifteen years.

I own the small diagnostic of DSM3r (yes I know " 4 " is out)(with appropriate

billing codes for two hundred new disorders)

I used to have Shiner Bock (Austin slacker beverage)inhandraised disorder!

To be truthful, I was really a chronic undifferentiated dypsomaniac with

periodic wino-lush-slacker disorder....but now I'm free...freee..free to be

me....

Go find Rose and ask about order

Go find Rose and ask about Yale

There is no more Yale

There is no more order

Yale is a sheet of radioactive glass thirty miles accross

From Jefferson Starship's " Nuclear Furniture " album

cheers

[Guest guest]

The oxford group was a Lutheran church Christian group out to save the world

from

immorality{sic} Christianity is Christianity!

Show me in the big book where it says you can't have a woman sponsor...

I was no virgin....she was older and originally came on to me!

I live in this wierd unruly country called the UNited States that has this

thing

called a Constitution that five generations of my family has fought in combat

for in three branches of the armed forces ...AA is not a legislative

branch of the US govt. and I can do whatever the fuck I want as long as

it doesn't break US laws.

[Guest guest]

The oxford group was a Lutheran church Christian group out to save the world

from

immorality{sic} Christianity is Christianity!

Show me in the big book where it says you can't have a woman sponsor...

I was no virgin....she was older and originally came on to me!

I live in this wierd unruly country called the UNited States that has this

thing

called a Constitution that five generations of my family has fought in combat

for in three branches of the armed forces ...AA is not a legislative

branch of the US govt. and I can do whatever the fuck I want as long as

it doesn't break US laws.

[Guest guest]

The oxford group was a Lutheran church Christian group out to save the world

from

immorality{sic} Christianity is Christianity!

Show me in the big book where it says you can't have a woman sponsor...

I was no virgin....she was older and originally came on to me!

I live in this wierd unruly country called the UNited States that has this

thing

called a Constitution that five generations of my family has fought in combat

for in three branches of the armed forces ...AA is not a legislative

branch of the US govt. and I can do whatever the fuck I want as long as

it doesn't break US laws.

[Guest guest]

Many of those men end up in court charged with rape?

In twenty years I've never heard of one!

Is this B>S> night, dearie?

[Guest guest]

Many of those men end up in court charged with rape?

In twenty years I've never heard of one!

Is this B>S> night, dearie?

[Guest guest]

Many of those men end up in court charged with rape?

In twenty years I've never heard of one!

Is this B>S> night, dearie?

[Guest guest]

> I hope that you have gone back and thanked Father Bob because this

is the

> most incredible gift he could have given you.

I definately did call him and say " thank-you " when I read in the

Catholic newspaper that he had been transferred back to Florida. He

was in Southern California for a time.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> I hope that you have gone back and thanked Father Bob because this

is the

> most incredible gift he could have given you.

I definately did call him and say " thank-you " when I read in the

Catholic newspaper that he had been transferred back to Florida. He

was in Southern California for a time.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> I hope that you have gone back and thanked Father Bob because this

is the

> most incredible gift he could have given you.

I definately did call him and say " thank-you " when I read in the

Catholic newspaper that he had been transferred back to Florida. He

was in Southern California for a time.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

Lol, I have thought about it that anyone who claims (to himself or

anyone else) to have an understanding of " god " is being grandiose... I

came to that conclusion in AA, while trying to better comprehend

humility. It is the opposite of humble to think one's self is capable

of understanding things so much larger than the self, like the universe,

its inception, its destiny.

I think most people think humble means " seeing one's self as small "

which isn't very accurate, but the opposite would be grandiose - seeing

one's self as great. I think the actual definition of humble is knowing

where one stands, and the opposite of that is not knowing where one

stands. That fits just about anyone who claims to know. The more I

know, the more I realize I don't know.

" The ignorant man always adores what he can not understand. " -- Cesare

Lambroso

BTW, about Hitler's henchman who said something about the " biggest

lie " there have been an infinite number of proofs of that statement.

People believe what they want to believe. Just knowing what they want

to believe is all it takes.

(no subject)

In 1971 I took the Stanford University course on " Alcoholism-modern

psychological approaches to treatment " (Blum 1966) and the book

says that alcoholics can be tricked through their GRANDIOSITY into

believing a higher power will rescue them when that same higher power

lets 40,000 children die of disease and starvation every day.

AA has always been a BIG LIE - Hitler said that it had to be a BIG LIE

in order to work on the masses. AA proves he was correct!

Malthus showed the reality of POPULATION CHECKS like

war, famine and DISEASE. If you accept that you have the incurable

disease of " alcoholism " you admit that you have been checked for

elimination by evolution. Gee thanks, Mr. !

[Guest guest]

You mean you have to be able to love yourself before you can love

others? But this program teaches that you aren't lovable, that you are

despicable, but you are still somehow supposed to accept love from these

other despicable people and love them back. I hope you have fun at the

meeting. Don't forget to tell them what great people they have become

because of the program... whoops, they might think you stopped lying.

(no subject)

Sometime this week I'm going to go to an AA meeting and announce in a

thick

Irish accent that I'm Paddy Flanigan and I'm just visiting from

Pathological Liars Anonymous and that I'm not alcoholic but I am

psychotic

and I really like AA meetings! I just love goofing on those moonies!

I don't like them 'cause they don't like themselves and expect someone

other

than them to give them self esteem. If they can't give themselves self

esteem

how can they give it to you?

[Guest guest]

no AA wouldn't be out of business. First of all they would just call you

a liar. Second they would tell you that you have a chip on your shoulder.

Third they would tell you that you are a drunk and need AA and last but

not least everyone makes mistakes and its not nice to say bad things

about Bill W. He has saved a lot of people from death you know, so I

don't care what people say about AA.

There ya go, satisfied that AA won't be out of business?

kisses

Tom Boy

At 08:17 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

I once saw a young sober girl with

head injury from a car accident told

to " shut your face " in front of fifty people at the Austin

Northland AA club.

She had not recovered full motor control and spoke

" slurredly " .

I have heard it rumored for years that Dr. Bob cut

prescriptions

for tranquillizers on the sly! I have reason to believe this is

true.

Jeezus..if you prove this! AA would finally be out of business!

[Guest guest]

Alateen and dare = Hitler youth

(no subject)

Twenty five years ago my mother did a fifth step with her sponsor

when she was sixth months sober and her sponsor gabbed it all over the

program. My mom went on a binge like I'd never seen and had to be

hospitalized. This is a woman who worked her way through a famous

New Haven Conn university in the 1940's when most women didn,t

graduate from high school. She rejoined the Catholic church so that she

would

have at least some sober fellowship and has been sober twenty four

years!

Part of her fifth step included damage (non-sexual) done to me and when

I

was forced to attend AA (like every alateen is eventually-alateen is

their

prerecruitment program) I was shamed by members with information I

thought

was totally confidential. These people ARE DANGEROUS!

[Guest guest]

Alateen and dare = Hitler youth

(no subject)

Twenty five years ago my mother did a fifth step with her sponsor

when she was sixth months sober and her sponsor gabbed it all over the

program. My mom went on a binge like I'd never seen and had to be

hospitalized. This is a woman who worked her way through a famous

New Haven Conn university in the 1940's when most women didn,t

graduate from high school. She rejoined the Catholic church so that she

would

have at least some sober fellowship and has been sober twenty four

years!

Part of her fifth step included damage (non-sexual) done to me and when

I

was forced to attend AA (like every alateen is eventually-alateen is

their

prerecruitment program) I was shamed by members with information I

thought

was totally confidential. These people ARE DANGEROUS!

[Guest guest]

Alateen and dare = Hitler youth

(no subject)

Twenty five years ago my mother did a fifth step with her sponsor

when she was sixth months sober and her sponsor gabbed it all over the

program. My mom went on a binge like I'd never seen and had to be

hospitalized. This is a woman who worked her way through a famous

New Haven Conn university in the 1940's when most women didn,t

graduate from high school. She rejoined the Catholic church so that she

would

have at least some sober fellowship and has been sober twenty four

years!

Part of her fifth step included damage (non-sexual) done to me and when

I

was forced to attend AA (like every alateen is eventually-alateen is

their

prerecruitment program) I was shamed by members with information I

thought

was totally confidential. These people ARE DANGEROUS!

[Guest guest]

Just for the record I don't believe in the word " alcoholic " .

The word " alcoholic " has not been used for the past 20 years or

so except in the 12 step/treatment industry. One would instead be

diagnosed with an alcohol dependency.

kisses

Tom Boy

At 08:49 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

But mom, I'd rather do it my own

way, and WIN!

Recommended by Dr. Berne/Dr, Claude Steiner for alcoholics

to put on a card and read whenever they start to feel the urge!

Cheers

[Guest guest]

Just for the record I don't believe in the word " alcoholic " .

The word " alcoholic " has not been used for the past 20 years or

so except in the 12 step/treatment industry. One would instead be

diagnosed with an alcohol dependency.

kisses

Tom Boy

At 08:49 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

But mom, I'd rather do it my own

way, and WIN!

Recommended by Dr. Berne/Dr, Claude Steiner for alcoholics

to put on a card and read whenever they start to feel the urge!

Cheers

[Guest guest]

Just for the record I don't believe in the word " alcoholic " .

The word " alcoholic " has not been used for the past 20 years or

so except in the 12 step/treatment industry. One would instead be

diagnosed with an alcohol dependency.

kisses

Tom Boy

At 08:49 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

But mom, I'd rather do it my own

way, and WIN!

Recommended by Dr. Berne/Dr, Claude Steiner for alcoholics

to put on a card and read whenever they start to feel the urge!

Cheers

[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

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