(No subject)

[Guest guest]

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????

At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Tomboy,

I was reading over at sober24 and saw that onetwomany was banned from their boards. Why? I didn't see him/her use profanity or step out of line. onetwomany was a troll, right?

This was the last post he/she shared;

I would hear tales of wonderful lives in shares that bore no resemblance to the reality, these people thought that these lies were good so as not to alienate newcomers, always sharing the good talk about AA

Seems less offensive than some of the truths you and lizardking are telling them.

Re: (no subject)

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Tomboy,

I was reading over at sober24 and saw that onetwomany was banned from their boards. Why? I didn't see him/her use profanity or step out of line. onetwomany was a troll, right?

This was the last post he/she shared;

I would hear tales of wonderful lives in shares that bore no resemblance to the reality, these people thought that these lies were good so as not to alienate newcomers, always sharing the good talk about AA

Seems less offensive than some of the truths you and lizardking are telling them.

Re: (no subject)

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

[unable to display image]

[Guest guest]

Tomboy,

I was reading over at sober24 and saw that onetwomany was banned from their boards. Why? I didn't see him/her use profanity or step out of line. onetwomany was a troll, right?

This was the last post he/she shared;

I would hear tales of wonderful lives in shares that bore no resemblance to the reality, these people thought that these lies were good so as not to alienate newcomers, always sharing the good talk about AA

Seems less offensive than some of the truths you and lizardking are telling them.

Re: (no subject)

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Definitely a troll, I suspect one of the merry gang that was trolling all

at once but has now switched names. The only one that I can think of that

would feel a need to change names would be IraG but that is only a

guess.

Kisses

Tomboy

At 09:52 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

Tomboy,

I was reading over at sober24 and saw

that onetwomany was banned from their boards. Why? I didn't see him/her

use profanity or step out of line. onetwomany was a troll, right?

This was the last post he/she

shared;

I would hear tales of wonderful lives in shares that bore no

resemblance to the reality, these people thought that these lies were

good so as not to alienate newcomers, always sharing the good talk about

AA

Seems less offensive than some of the truths you and lizardking are

telling them.

Re: (no subject)

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????

At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

[unable to display image]

[Guest guest]

Definitely a troll, I suspect one of the merry gang that was trolling all

at once but has now switched names. The only one that I can think of that

would feel a need to change names would be IraG but that is only a

guess.

Kisses

Tomboy

At 09:52 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

Tomboy,

I was reading over at sober24 and saw

that onetwomany was banned from their boards. Why? I didn't see him/her

use profanity or step out of line. onetwomany was a troll, right?

This was the last post he/she

shared;

I would hear tales of wonderful lives in shares that bore no

resemblance to the reality, these people thought that these lies were

good so as not to alienate newcomers, always sharing the good talk about

AA

Seems less offensive than some of the truths you and lizardking are

telling them.

Re: (no subject)

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????

At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

[unable to display image]

[Guest guest]

Definitely a troll, I suspect one of the merry gang that was trolling all

at once but has now switched names. The only one that I can think of that

would feel a need to change names would be IraG but that is only a

guess.

Kisses

Tomboy

At 09:52 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

Tomboy,

I was reading over at sober24 and saw

that onetwomany was banned from their boards. Why? I didn't see him/her

use profanity or step out of line. onetwomany was a troll, right?

This was the last post he/she

shared;

I would hear tales of wonderful lives in shares that bore no

resemblance to the reality, these people thought that these lies were

good so as not to alienate newcomers, always sharing the good talk about

AA

Seems less offensive than some of the truths you and lizardking are

telling them.

Re: (no subject)

helloooooo capecod???????? helloooooooooo ???????

At 09:18 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

[unable to display image]

[Guest guest]

At 09:42 PM 12/12/01 -0500, skplws@... wrote:

I didn't mean to be derogatory

towards all AA women.

of course you were.

In fact, at one time I had a

temporary woman sponsor

why would you have a woman sponsor? you know that isn't allowed? men/men

women/women?

I was introduced to a Church group

BY a young lady in the program

who couldn't stand the meetings and their vulgarity-she saved my life at

the

time!

did she help you lose your virginity?

Evidently, there are a lot of women

in the program who don't realize that

flirting is frequently taken seriously by men who have lost their old

dating

grounds.

Yes , and many of those men end up in court charged with rape because

they didn't understand that " no means no " .

When you are male, young,

single and desperately lonely

sober it is impossible to stay sober...drinking is more pleasureable

no matter what the consequences.

so when you are young, male, single and desperately lonely

you have no control in your life. What a tragedy. I am sure that many men

on this list would be insulted by that characterisation eh?

I have met several perfect angels

at church groups who are alcoholic but

sober the way Bill got sober.

These women got sober through the Oxford group?

kisses

Tommy Buoy

[Guest guest]

At 09:42 PM 12/12/01 -0500, skplws@... wrote:

I didn't mean to be derogatory

towards all AA women.

of course you were.

In fact, at one time I had a

temporary woman sponsor

why would you have a woman sponsor? you know that isn't allowed? men/men

women/women?

I was introduced to a Church group

BY a young lady in the program

who couldn't stand the meetings and their vulgarity-she saved my life at

the

time!

did she help you lose your virginity?

Evidently, there are a lot of women

in the program who don't realize that

flirting is frequently taken seriously by men who have lost their old

dating

grounds.

Yes , and many of those men end up in court charged with rape because

they didn't understand that " no means no " .

When you are male, young,

single and desperately lonely

sober it is impossible to stay sober...drinking is more pleasureable

no matter what the consequences.

so when you are young, male, single and desperately lonely

you have no control in your life. What a tragedy. I am sure that many men

on this list would be insulted by that characterisation eh?

I have met several perfect angels

at church groups who are alcoholic but

sober the way Bill got sober.

These women got sober through the Oxford group?

kisses

Tommy Buoy

[Guest guest]

Can you elucidate?

Re: (no subject)

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT

BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT

THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

Can you elucidate?

Re: (no subject)

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT

BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT

THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

Can you elucidate?

Re: (no subject)

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT

BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT

THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

Wow thats a great word Cool guy!

kisses

Tom Boy

At 10:28 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

Can you elucidate?

Re: (no subject)

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT

BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA

DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT

THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

Wow thats a great word Cool guy!

kisses

Tom Boy

At 10:28 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

Can you elucidate?

Re: (no subject)

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT

BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA

DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT

THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

Wow thats a great word Cool guy!

kisses

Tom Boy

At 10:28 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

Can you elucidate?

Re: (no subject)

I was referring to PROOF! i AM A TIME WARNER VIDEO PRODUCER

AND I COULD GET THIS PROOF OUT WORLD WIDE ON SATELLITE FEED.

BILL WILSON HAS SAVED LIVES? JEEEEZ...ALL THOSE YEARS I THOUGHT

IT WAS HIGHER POWER!

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

EVER HEAR OF ROLAND HAZARD...THE REAL FIRST AA WHO SPONSORED

EBBY THATCHER WHO SPONSORED BILL?

ONE OF THE HAZAED ESTATES BORDERS MY GODPARENTS ESTATES

IN EAST HAVEN CONNECTICUT. THESE PEOPLE KNOW THINGS YOU WOULD NOT

BELIEVE

ABOUT AA. EVER CHECKED OUT WILSON'S WILLS ON AA

DEPROGRAMMING? LEFT

THE

MONEY TO GIRLFRIENDS.

GEE THANKS, MR. WILSON!

CHEERS!

[Guest guest]

> I didn't mean to be derogatory towards all AA women.

> In fact, at one time I had a temporary woman sponsor who

> confirmed that my male AA sponsors were trying to run a

> guilt-superiority trip on me.

> I was introduced to a Church group BY a young lady in the program

> who couldn't stand the meetings and their vulgarity-she saved my

life at the

> time!

I was not offended by your post re: AA women. There is a big problem

with men " thirteenth stepping " vulnerable newcomer women in

the " program " . Many of the AA/NA women also engage in bad behavior

re: the opposite sex.

> Evidently, there are a lot of women in the program who don't

realize that

> flirting is frequently taken seriously by men who have lost their

old dating

> grounds.

I have seen a lot of women flirt with the men even to the point of

touching them yet they will act so offended if any of the fellows do

make a pass at them. I do understand that " no means no " . However,

many of these women - who engage in this behavior - need to also

understand that they cannot act in certain ways if they do not want

to be percieved as " easy " or a " tease " . At an NA picnic, this one

woman in a bikini was climbing all over this other stepper's

boyfriend and acted so aggrieved when the guy actually tried

something.

The relationships that start in the " rooms " are pretty messed up. I

knew this one fellow in Narcotics Anonymous who was a pretty decent

man. He married his NA girlfriend after she told him that she was

pregnant and wanted marriage. A few years after the marriage, the

woman is bored with her husband and feels that she deserves better so

she fools around with a wealthy NAer to get out of the marriage.

Then she goes for this young NA body builder after getting what she

wanted from the $$$ man. The younger man ends up dumping his

girlfriend after he realizes that he does not want an older woman

with an ex-husband and a child. The ex-husband of this woman dealt

with the gossip and the other nonsense. Sounds like a soap opera,

doesn't it????

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> I didn't mean to be derogatory towards all AA women.

> In fact, at one time I had a temporary woman sponsor who

> confirmed that my male AA sponsors were trying to run a

> guilt-superiority trip on me.

> I was introduced to a Church group BY a young lady in the program

> who couldn't stand the meetings and their vulgarity-she saved my

life at the

> time!

I was not offended by your post re: AA women. There is a big problem

with men " thirteenth stepping " vulnerable newcomer women in

the " program " . Many of the AA/NA women also engage in bad behavior

re: the opposite sex.

> Evidently, there are a lot of women in the program who don't

realize that

> flirting is frequently taken seriously by men who have lost their

old dating

> grounds.

I have seen a lot of women flirt with the men even to the point of

touching them yet they will act so offended if any of the fellows do

make a pass at them. I do understand that " no means no " . However,

many of these women - who engage in this behavior - need to also

understand that they cannot act in certain ways if they do not want

to be percieved as " easy " or a " tease " . At an NA picnic, this one

woman in a bikini was climbing all over this other stepper's

boyfriend and acted so aggrieved when the guy actually tried

something.

The relationships that start in the " rooms " are pretty messed up. I

knew this one fellow in Narcotics Anonymous who was a pretty decent

man. He married his NA girlfriend after she told him that she was

pregnant and wanted marriage. A few years after the marriage, the

woman is bored with her husband and feels that she deserves better so

she fools around with a wealthy NAer to get out of the marriage.

Then she goes for this young NA body builder after getting what she

wanted from the $$$ man. The younger man ends up dumping his

girlfriend after he realizes that he does not want an older woman

with an ex-husband and a child. The ex-husband of this woman dealt

with the gossip and the other nonsense. Sounds like a soap opera,

doesn't it????

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> I didn't mean to be derogatory towards all AA women.

> In fact, at one time I had a temporary woman sponsor who

> confirmed that my male AA sponsors were trying to run a

> guilt-superiority trip on me.

> I was introduced to a Church group BY a young lady in the program

> who couldn't stand the meetings and their vulgarity-she saved my

life at the

> time!

I was not offended by your post re: AA women. There is a big problem

with men " thirteenth stepping " vulnerable newcomer women in

the " program " . Many of the AA/NA women also engage in bad behavior

re: the opposite sex.

> Evidently, there are a lot of women in the program who don't

realize that

> flirting is frequently taken seriously by men who have lost their

old dating

> grounds.

I have seen a lot of women flirt with the men even to the point of

touching them yet they will act so offended if any of the fellows do

make a pass at them. I do understand that " no means no " . However,

many of these women - who engage in this behavior - need to also

understand that they cannot act in certain ways if they do not want

to be percieved as " easy " or a " tease " . At an NA picnic, this one

woman in a bikini was climbing all over this other stepper's

boyfriend and acted so aggrieved when the guy actually tried

something.

The relationships that start in the " rooms " are pretty messed up. I

knew this one fellow in Narcotics Anonymous who was a pretty decent

man. He married his NA girlfriend after she told him that she was

pregnant and wanted marriage. A few years after the marriage, the

woman is bored with her husband and feels that she deserves better so

she fools around with a wealthy NAer to get out of the marriage.

Then she goes for this young NA body builder after getting what she

wanted from the $$$ man. The younger man ends up dumping his

girlfriend after he realizes that he does not want an older woman

with an ex-husband and a child. The ex-husband of this woman dealt

with the gossip and the other nonsense. Sounds like a soap opera,

doesn't it????

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't mind a woman in a bikini climbing all over me right now.

Your point that messed up relationships begin in those rewms is true. I

guess messed up people have messed up relationships. Perhaps the

healthiness of a relationship must be somehow proportional to the

healthiness of the participants.

Re: (no subject)

I have seen a lot of women flirt with the men even to the point of

touching them yet they will act so offended if any of the fellows do

make a pass at them. I do understand that " no means no " . However,

many of these women - who engage in this behavior - need to also

understand that they cannot act in certain ways if they do not want

to be percieved as " easy " or a " tease " . At an NA picnic, this one

woman in a bikini was climbing all over this other stepper's

boyfriend and acted so aggrieved when the guy actually tried

something.

The relationships that start in the " rooms " are pretty messed up. I

knew this one fellow in Narcotics Anonymous who was a pretty decent

man. He married his NA girlfriend after she told him that she was

pregnant and wanted marriage. A few years after the marriage, the

woman is bored with her husband and feels that she deserves better so

she fools around with a wealthy NAer to get out of the marriage.

Then she goes for this young NA body builder after getting what she

wanted from the $$$ man. The younger man ends up dumping his

girlfriend after he realizes that he does not want an older woman

with an ex-husband and a child. The ex-husband of this woman dealt

with the gossip and the other nonsense. Sounds like a soap opera,

doesn't it????

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't mind a woman in a bikini climbing all over me right now.

Your point that messed up relationships begin in those rewms is true. I

guess messed up people have messed up relationships. Perhaps the

healthiness of a relationship must be somehow proportional to the

healthiness of the participants.

Re: (no subject)

I have seen a lot of women flirt with the men even to the point of

touching them yet they will act so offended if any of the fellows do

make a pass at them. I do understand that " no means no " . However,

many of these women - who engage in this behavior - need to also

understand that they cannot act in certain ways if they do not want

to be percieved as " easy " or a " tease " . At an NA picnic, this one

woman in a bikini was climbing all over this other stepper's

boyfriend and acted so aggrieved when the guy actually tried

something.

The relationships that start in the " rooms " are pretty messed up. I

knew this one fellow in Narcotics Anonymous who was a pretty decent

man. He married his NA girlfriend after she told him that she was

pregnant and wanted marriage. A few years after the marriage, the

woman is bored with her husband and feels that she deserves better so

she fools around with a wealthy NAer to get out of the marriage.

Then she goes for this young NA body builder after getting what she

wanted from the $$$ man. The younger man ends up dumping his

girlfriend after he realizes that he does not want an older woman

with an ex-husband and a child. The ex-husband of this woman dealt

with the gossip and the other nonsense. Sounds like a soap opera,

doesn't it????

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't mind a woman in a bikini climbing all over me right now.

Your point that messed up relationships begin in those rewms is true. I

guess messed up people have messed up relationships. Perhaps the

healthiness of a relationship must be somehow proportional to the

healthiness of the participants.

Re: (no subject)

I have seen a lot of women flirt with the men even to the point of

touching them yet they will act so offended if any of the fellows do

make a pass at them. I do understand that " no means no " . However,

many of these women - who engage in this behavior - need to also

understand that they cannot act in certain ways if they do not want

to be percieved as " easy " or a " tease " . At an NA picnic, this one

woman in a bikini was climbing all over this other stepper's

boyfriend and acted so aggrieved when the guy actually tried

something.

The relationships that start in the " rooms " are pretty messed up. I

knew this one fellow in Narcotics Anonymous who was a pretty decent

man. He married his NA girlfriend after she told him that she was

pregnant and wanted marriage. A few years after the marriage, the

woman is bored with her husband and feels that she deserves better so

she fools around with a wealthy NAer to get out of the marriage.

Then she goes for this young NA body builder after getting what she

wanted from the $$$ man. The younger man ends up dumping his

girlfriend after he realizes that he does not want an older woman

with an ex-husband and a child. The ex-husband of this woman dealt

with the gossip and the other nonsense. Sounds like a soap opera,

doesn't it????

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

Most AAers would ask " What has Oxford Health Insurance to do with this " ?

Many AAers do not know their history, just what their Sponsors tell them.

abbadun (I've been away, work and school was all I could handle for a while)

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: (no subject)

>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:13 -0500

>

>At 11:24 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a copy

> >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11 sheet.

> >

> > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and Eve,

> >garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

> >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

>

>[snip]

>

>I don't think this would work. Most committed AA members

>seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual, not

>religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian. A

>pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about the

>Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact at

>all.

>

> H.

>

====================================================================

Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or

morphine or idealism.

--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist, founded psychology

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Most AAers would ask " What has Oxford Health Insurance to do with this " ?

Many AAers do not know their history, just what their Sponsors tell them.

abbadun (I've been away, work and school was all I could handle for a while)

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: (no subject)

>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:13 -0500

>

>At 11:24 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a copy

> >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11 sheet.

> >

> > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and Eve,

> >garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

> >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

>

>[snip]

>

>I don't think this would work. Most committed AA members

>seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual, not

>religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian. A

>pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about the

>Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact at

>all.

>

> H.

>

====================================================================

Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or

morphine or idealism.

--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist, founded psychology

_________________________________________________________________

Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

http://www.hotmail.com

[Guest guest]

Most AAers would ask " What has Oxford Health Insurance to do with this " ?

Many AAers do not know their history, just what their Sponsors tell them.

abbadun (I've been away, work and school was all I could handle for a while)

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: (no subject)

>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:13 -0500

>

>At 11:24 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a copy

> >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11 sheet.

> >

> > " AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.

> >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and Eve,

> >garden of Eden or original sin than there is " proof " of

> >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.

>

>[snip]

>

>I don't think this would work. Most committed AA members

>seem to have convinced themselves that it's " spiritual, not

>religious " and that it's universal rather than Christian. A

>pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about the

>Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact at

>all.

>

> H.

>

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Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or

morphine or idealism.

--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist, founded psychology

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Abbadum -

Up until about a year ago, I would have asked the same thing, and I was "coming around" for about six years...

That is really what is so scarey about AA - Most people, in and out of AA, don't know what it's all about.

Janice

abbadun _ wrote: Most AAers would ask "What has Oxford Health Insurance to do with this"?Many AAers do not know their history, just what their Sponsors tell them.abbadun (I've been away, work and school was all I could handle for a while)>From: >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: Re: (no subject)>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:13 -0500>>At 11:24 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:> >Wanna drive AA's nuts?: Print this up and take it to a copy> >shop. You can fit this four times on one 8-1/2x 11 sheet.> >> >"AA is based on the bible from the oxford groups.> >There is no more evidence, no more proof of Adam and Eve,> >garden of Eden or original sin than there is "proof" of> >Superman, Batman or Spiderman.>>[snip]>>I don't think this would work. Most committed AA members>seem to have convinced themselves that it's "spiritual, not>religious" and that it's universal rather than Christian. A>pamphlet like this would probably have to explain about the>Oxford Group and so forth in order to have any impact at>all.>> H.>====================================================================Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or idealism.--- Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), Swiss psychiatrist, founded psychology_________________________________________________________________Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com