Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLY

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>Yeah I'm gussing I am in a feedback-loop thing now. How to avoid

>such a loop? To take more, and increase faster? Then how can I know

>if 22.5 if " right " for me or not? If I go to 25.0 tomorrow, I might

>go too fast? Only 4 days on 22.5 including today.

Take a step up and then work down might be a better way for you. the

doses that people get given if they are suffering inflamation are much

higher. If you went straight to 30 and paused there a few days or a

week before coming down at 2.5 every few days then you will get round

that loop that's making it hard to step up slowly

>

>Doesn't Medrol have harsher side-effects than HC or are they the

>same? CHF and heart failure are listed in the Medrol packing slip.

>THAT sounds scry. Heart failure. From WHAT? From not tolerating

>Medrol?

Don't know

Medrol is around 4 times stronger and has a longer life in the body

listed

I know more about RT3 than I do adrenals though so am the wrong person

to speak to about that.

I'm away from the computer for a while now so there won't be any

replies from me for a while

Nick

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>Yeah I'm gussing I am in a feedback-loop thing now. How to avoid

>such a loop? To take more, and increase faster? Then how can I know

>if 22.5 if " right " for me or not? If I go to 25.0 tomorrow, I might

>go too fast? Only 4 days on 22.5 including today.

Take a step up and then work down might be a better way for you. the

doses that people get given if they are suffering inflamation are much

higher. If you went straight to 30 and paused there a few days or a

week before coming down at 2.5 every few days then you will get round

that loop that's making it hard to step up slowly

>

>Doesn't Medrol have harsher side-effects than HC or are they the

>same? CHF and heart failure are listed in the Medrol packing slip.

>THAT sounds scry. Heart failure. From WHAT? From not tolerating

>Medrol?

Don't know

Medrol is around 4 times stronger and has a longer life in the body

listed

I know more about RT3 than I do adrenals though so am the wrong person

to speak to about that.

I'm away from the computer for a while now so there won't be any

replies from me for a while

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Yeah I'm gussing I am in a feedback-loop thing now. How to avoid

>such a loop? To take more, and increase faster? Then how can I know

>if 22.5 if " right " for me or not? If I go to 25.0 tomorrow, I might

>go too fast? Only 4 days on 22.5 including today.

Take a step up and then work down might be a better way for you. the

doses that people get given if they are suffering inflamation are much

higher. If you went straight to 30 and paused there a few days or a

week before coming down at 2.5 every few days then you will get round

that loop that's making it hard to step up slowly

>

>Doesn't Medrol have harsher side-effects than HC or are they the

>same? CHF and heart failure are listed in the Medrol packing slip.

>THAT sounds scry. Heart failure. From WHAT? From not tolerating

>Medrol?

Don't know

Medrol is around 4 times stronger and has a longer life in the body

listed

I know more about RT3 than I do adrenals though so am the wrong person

to speak to about that.

I'm away from the computer for a while now so there won't be any

replies from me for a while

Nick

[Guest guest]

So serum levels of cortisol while on HC, as well as 24 hours urine

samples (Free Cortisol) does not matter at ALL? My tests are VERY

high.

[Guest guest]

So serum levels of cortisol while on HC, as well as 24 hours urine

samples (Free Cortisol) does not matter at ALL? My tests are VERY

high.

[Guest guest]

>You're right. 1-2-3 teaspoons are not that much. Though I've heard

>that the max a human should get is 8 mg of salt daily.

There are a lot of opinions, different people need different amounts.

8 milligrams is a LOT lower than anyone could achieve though

>

>Ok, so... 2 1/2 hours after I took my second HC dose of 7.5 mg,

>(morningdose at 9:30 at 7.5 mg) I feel VERY stressed

>

Pulse rate? temperature??

>Kind of sleepy and stressed at the same time. Just from watching

>a bit TV. I don't get it.

It will take time to " build reserves " and sort out the deficiencies

>

>Is this becase of the Cortisol-Feedback-Loop?

possibly, without knowing more I can't say.

Keeping a log of pulse, temperature, and how you feel on an hour by

hour basis for a few days may help us work out what's going on

Nick

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Let's take one example. I took my last dose of HC at 9:30 pm, and it

was 2.5 mg, bringing the total up to 22.5 mg daily.

I take 1 grain of ERF Thyroid daily, split in two 1/2 doses at around

noon and 6 pm at the moment.

Like I've said before, my temperatures have been quite normal in the

last 6 months while I've been HC, and also before I started HC.

I started measuring my temperatures 2 months before I got onto HC.

My temperatures have not changed with HC. They've been prettu much

36.7 or 37.0 C all the time, except when I wake up. I haven't done

too many basal oral temps, but the ones I've done lately have been

anywhere from 35.9 to (mostly) 36.4. I guess 36.4 is normal, cause

you need to add 0.3 to the oral temp to get the REAL body temp.

And the right morning temp should be 36.7, which mine is, including

those 0.3 extra.

I did a measurement now, for 2 minutes, orally, with my digital

thermometer, and it showed 36.9, which is a normal temperature for

the evening.

Can I have rT3-issues even with PERFECT temperatures???

T.

[Guest guest]

Update at 6 am:

Haven't slept ONE second this night, in my own home. My wife is sleeping.

I have a HUGE pressure on my chest, and HEART. My heart also beats

kind of... I dont know.. It feels wrong..

I am thinking: Do I need more HC? LESS HC? Should I take a 2.5 mg stress

dose? Or NOT take any HC at all?

I am thinking it can be the feedback lopp cutting ACTH and making

me Low Cortisol? But I am not shaking!

And I had this pressure before a few times. It went away always.

Now it stays. For 6 hours already.

Is this Reverse T3 stopping ALL T3 for me?

I am caling ERs now, but they can't help me. They don't know ANYTHING

about Hypothyroidism with Reverse T3 dominance or Adrenal Fatigue.

I feel lost.... And the pressure on my chest (it's the heart, I know!)

is VERY bad. Not painful but HARD. The pressure is HARD.

[Guest guest]

Update at 6 am:

Haven't slept ONE second this night, in my own home. My wife is sleeping.

I have a HUGE pressure on my chest, and HEART. My heart also beats

kind of... I dont know.. It feels wrong..

I am thinking: Do I need more HC? LESS HC? Should I take a 2.5 mg stress

dose? Or NOT take any HC at all?

I am thinking it can be the feedback lopp cutting ACTH and making

me Low Cortisol? But I am not shaking!

And I had this pressure before a few times. It went away always.

Now it stays. For 6 hours already.

Is this Reverse T3 stopping ALL T3 for me?

I am caling ERs now, but they can't help me. They don't know ANYTHING

about Hypothyroidism with Reverse T3 dominance or Adrenal Fatigue.

I feel lost.... And the pressure on my chest (it's the heart, I know!)

is VERY bad. Not painful but HARD. The pressure is HARD.

[Guest guest]

Update at 6 am:

Haven't slept ONE second this night, in my own home. My wife is sleeping.

I have a HUGE pressure on my chest, and HEART. My heart also beats

kind of... I dont know.. It feels wrong..

I am thinking: Do I need more HC? LESS HC? Should I take a 2.5 mg stress

dose? Or NOT take any HC at all?

I am thinking it can be the feedback lopp cutting ACTH and making

me Low Cortisol? But I am not shaking!

And I had this pressure before a few times. It went away always.

Now it stays. For 6 hours already.

Is this Reverse T3 stopping ALL T3 for me?

I am caling ERs now, but they can't help me. They don't know ANYTHING

about Hypothyroidism with Reverse T3 dominance or Adrenal Fatigue.

I feel lost.... And the pressure on my chest (it's the heart, I know!)

is VERY bad. Not painful but HARD. The pressure is HARD.

[Guest guest]

>Temp 37.0 C, pulse: 80. Everything seems normal. But it doesn't

>feel normal. WELL. I am a bit better now. Ok, so I took my 5 mg

>dose at 5 pm, then my second 1/2 of ERFA Thyroid. And the stress

>is better now.

>

>I will log everything tomorrow. If this happens again!

Log when you feel " normal " , not just when things are wrong. That way

there is something to compare with

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Temp 37.0 C, pulse: 80. Everything seems normal. But it doesn't

>feel normal. WELL. I am a bit better now. Ok, so I took my 5 mg

>dose at 5 pm, then my second 1/2 of ERFA Thyroid. And the stress

>is better now.

>

>I will log everything tomorrow. If this happens again!

Log when you feel " normal " , not just when things are wrong. That way

there is something to compare with

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Temp 37.0 C, pulse: 80. Everything seems normal. But it doesn't

>feel normal. WELL. I am a bit better now. Ok, so I took my 5 mg

>dose at 5 pm, then my second 1/2 of ERFA Thyroid. And the stress

>is better now.

>

>I will log everything tomorrow. If this happens again!

Log when you feel " normal " , not just when things are wrong. That way

there is something to compare with

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I take 1 grain of ERF Thyroid daily, split in two 1/2 doses at around

>noon and 6 pm at the moment.

That won't help your sleep problem. When I was on Natural I couldn't

take any after 2pm without affecting sleep. I can T3, just not

Natural.

>

>Like I've said before, my temperatures have been quite normal in the

>last 6 months while I've been HC, and also before I started HC.

>I started measuring my temperatures 2 months before I got onto HC.

>

>My temperatures have not changed with HC. They've been prettu much

>36.7 or 37.0 C

That's a big variation if it's random scatter, it it's a gentle drift

up in the day and down again in the evening it's fine. Log me a couple

of days of hourly temperatires and let's see what we can make of them

>all the time, except when I wake up. I haven't done

>too many basal oral temps, but the ones I've done lately have been

>anywhere from 35.9 to (mostly) 36.4.

That is MASSIVE variation

>I guess 36.4 is normal, cause

>you need to add 0.3 to the oral temp to get the REAL body temp.

The tempeeratures that are talked about in Dr Rind are ORAL. Broda

talked about armpit which is 0.3 down. There is nothing to add

to oral to get the numbers we are talking about

>And the right morning temp should be 36.7, which mine is, including

>those 0.3 extra.

you can't have 0.3 extra

Lets have some hard data to work on, hourly pulse and temperature for

a couple of days and after that decide an interval that's showing what

is there to be seen and take a few more data data of the most useful

times.

Nick

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I take 1 grain of ERF Thyroid daily, split in two 1/2 doses at around

>noon and 6 pm at the moment.

That won't help your sleep problem. When I was on Natural I couldn't

take any after 2pm without affecting sleep. I can T3, just not

Natural.

>

>Like I've said before, my temperatures have been quite normal in the

>last 6 months while I've been HC, and also before I started HC.

>I started measuring my temperatures 2 months before I got onto HC.

>

>My temperatures have not changed with HC. They've been prettu much

>36.7 or 37.0 C

That's a big variation if it's random scatter, it it's a gentle drift

up in the day and down again in the evening it's fine. Log me a couple

of days of hourly temperatires and let's see what we can make of them

>all the time, except when I wake up. I haven't done

>too many basal oral temps, but the ones I've done lately have been

>anywhere from 35.9 to (mostly) 36.4.

That is MASSIVE variation

>I guess 36.4 is normal, cause

>you need to add 0.3 to the oral temp to get the REAL body temp.

The tempeeratures that are talked about in Dr Rind are ORAL. Broda

talked about armpit which is 0.3 down. There is nothing to add

to oral to get the numbers we are talking about

>And the right morning temp should be 36.7, which mine is, including

>those 0.3 extra.

you can't have 0.3 extra

Lets have some hard data to work on, hourly pulse and temperature for

a couple of days and after that decide an interval that's showing what

is there to be seen and take a few more data data of the most useful

times.

Nick

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I am thinking: Do I need more HC? LESS HC? Should I take a 2.5 mg stress

>dose? Or NOT take any HC at all?

It's morning now, on another occasion a stress dose would have

relieved the worry but made it harder to sleep

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I am thinking: Do I need more HC? LESS HC? Should I take a 2.5 mg stress

>dose? Or NOT take any HC at all?

It's morning now, on another occasion a stress dose would have

relieved the worry but made it harder to sleep

Nick

[Guest guest]

I toko 2.5 mg at around 6 am. Dunno if it worked.

Haven't slept a BIT!

I have a VERY tight feeling in my heart, on my chest (middle, and a

little to the left... the heart!) and I just got back from the doctors

office. We ran an EKG, it was normal. I have electrical wiring errors,

but it's not new. We knew about that.

Blood pressure: 125/85

And we did spirometry - " Breathing test " . I had pretty normal results.

Lung age: 43.3 years. And I am 31. Hmmmm! Anyway, the curve looked

normal, straight down, no anomalies.

GOD, this PRESSURE on my chest is driving me CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Weird that it happened only after upping the HC dose with 2.5 mg daily.

I have had this pressure before. But NEVER more than 30-60 minutes.

So far it has been 12 hours of it CONSTANTLY.

I am thinking... Can I be in thje danger of developing Diabetus?

(Type 1 or Type 2) - My insulin level was above the top range last

time we checked it, about 3 months ago. My old specialist who did

that blood test is worried about me developing diabetus because I've

been on low thyroid meds dose for 2 years + taking HC, and I rarely

every move my body much. I do eat HEALTHY. Salad all the time.

I almost only drink water too.

GONNA START T3-ONLY RIGHT THIS SECOND!!!!!!

Hope to get some backup here! Crossing my fingers for this one...

Just stopping ERFA 1 grain and taking 2 x 5 mcg T3 (not slow release)

with 4 hours apart. 5 mcg now at 1 pm and the other 5 mcg at 5 pm.

What do I do if my body needs more at 9-10 pm? Or in the middle of

the night?

>

> >I am thinking: Do I need more HC? LESS HC? Should I take a 2.5 mg stress

> >dose? Or NOT take any HC at all?

>

> It's morning now, on another occasion a stress dose would have

> relieved the worry but made it harder to sleep

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

>Wow, you know what? I took my 5 mcg of T3 at 1 pm.

>After 10 minutes, the pressure on my chest got lighter.

>After 30 minutes I could almost not feel it. I don't want to

>party before the fat lady sings, but... It could mean Something?

Sounds like it was a hypo symptom then!!

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Wow, you know what? I took my 5 mcg of T3 at 1 pm.

>After 10 minutes, the pressure on my chest got lighter.

>After 30 minutes I could almost not feel it. I don't want to

>party before the fat lady sings, but... It could mean Something?

Sounds like it was a hypo symptom then!!

Nick

[Guest guest]

Just unbelievable. We'll see how it goes from here! I am taking

my second dose of T3 now. 5 mcg at 5 pm. Now... I know my Ferritin

is low, in the 40s...

Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

>

> >Wow, you know what? I took my 5 mcg of T3 at 1 pm.

> >After 10 minutes, the pressure on my chest got lighter.

> >After 30 minutes I could almost not feel it. I don't want to

> >party before the fat lady sings, but... It could mean Something?

>

> Sounds like it was a hypo symptom then!!

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I toko 2.5 mg at around 6 am. Dunno if it worked.

>

> Haven't slept a BIT!

>

> I have a VERY tight feeling in my heart, on my chest (middle, and a

> little to the left... the heart!) and I just got back from the doctors

> office. We ran an EKG, it was normal. I have electrical wiring errors,

> but it's not new. We knew about that.

>

> Blood pressure: 125/85

>

Hi

Just to say I developed this horrible tightness and pressure in my chest around

the heart area when I was very hypo and unable to tolerate thyroid meds. Now I

am 2 weeks in and able to tolerate 1 grain plus 12.5 T3 plus another dose of 6.2

it has gone so for me definitely a hypo symptoms that had been going on for over

a month uncorrected.

Pam

[Guest guest]

>

>Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

>Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

Have a read of this

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need

to increase T3 to compensate.

It will be a few months before things stabilise.

If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and

stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.

Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2

doses.

I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.

Nick

[Guest guest]

I am reading your site. It's great!

I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my

body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.

Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,

at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.

Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the

tip Nick!

How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?

So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,

cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence

to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the

receptors.

Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.

When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? And how often

would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am

taking a lot of it?

I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,

so... However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin

causing problems back then (January 2008).

So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,

with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after

that, being on T4-only up til this summer.

>

> >

> >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

> >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

>

> Have a read of this

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need

> to increase T3 to compensate.

>

> It will be a few months before things stabilise.

>

> If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and

> stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.

>

> Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2

> doses.

>

> I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

, don't forget that you can have a false high reading on your ferritin level due to inflammation. So it might not have been the ferretin after all. I read that many people were able to stop the A-Fib once they got their iron levels to a better level. But who knows....it can be so confusing!

Terri

I am reading your site. It's great!I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like mybody needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for thetip Nick!How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistenceto T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking thereceptors.Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? And how oftenwould it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I amtaking a lot of it?I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,so... However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritincausing problems back then (January 2008).So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse afterthat, being on T4-only up til this summer.> > >> >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -> >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?> > Have a read of this> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need> to increase T3 to compensate.> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and> stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2> doses.> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.> > Nick>