Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLY

[Guest guest]

T3-only treatment worries:

Bekymringer om enbart-T3 behandling:

1.) If I take T3-only now, and after a trial of Dessicated Thyroid

later proves out to not work, I will have to take T3-only forever.

T3 is synthetic, and will NOT be the same, nor as good as taking

Dessicated Thyroid. However, if the rT3 problem persists, T3-only

WILL be better. But not technically better, as Dessicated is a

way superior medicine, in reality.

2.) Now that I'm increasing my HC-dose (up from 20 to 22.5 mg 4 days

ago) I might get some kind of " overdose " of T3 into my cells.

Maybe this an explain the shaking I am feeling now, after raising

my HC by 2.5 mg? I don't think I can start to shake only because

I take more HC, HC being the culprit itself? Shaking is usually

a symptom of Low Cortisol. But it can also be T3 reacing into the

cells?

3.) My low Ferritin. It's in the 40s. Our range goes from 20 to 300.

I am currently taking 2 x 25 mg Amino Ferrochel Iron daily.

I started taking 1 x 25 mg daily about 6 weeks ago. I have seen

a raise from 25 or so, to 45 in these weeks that have passed.

I hope this number is not too misleading, considering I haven't

stopped taking iron 5 days before taking the blood sample.

Some say you can get Atrial Fibrillation from having too low

Ferritin and taking T3. But I got Atrial Fibrillation while

taking 100 mcg T4 , 40 mcg T3 and having a Ferritin at 166

in January 2008. I just don't want to get that fib again!

4.) I don't really know if my health could have improved with ERFA

Thyroid until I've tried to increase the dose. Of course the

fear of developing more and more rT3 exists. And my FT3 to rT3

ratio is already at 14.9 - Doesn't this PROVE I have an rT3

problem? Does anyone know which ratio is better? FT3 to rT3?

TT3 to rT3 or that last method which I learned from my first

specialist:

" TT3 2.3 x 2 split 10 = 0.46 Ratio. The ratio should be within

20% of the rT3-value. "

What do you think of this method? According to THIS method, I

don't have an rT3-problem!

[Guest guest]

T3-only treatment worries:

Bekymringer om enbart-T3 behandling:

1.) If I take T3-only now, and after a trial of Dessicated Thyroid

later proves out to not work, I will have to take T3-only forever.

T3 is synthetic, and will NOT be the same, nor as good as taking

Dessicated Thyroid. However, if the rT3 problem persists, T3-only

WILL be better. But not technically better, as Dessicated is a

way superior medicine, in reality.

2.) Now that I'm increasing my HC-dose (up from 20 to 22.5 mg 4 days

ago) I might get some kind of " overdose " of T3 into my cells.

Maybe this an explain the shaking I am feeling now, after raising

my HC by 2.5 mg? I don't think I can start to shake only because

I take more HC, HC being the culprit itself? Shaking is usually

a symptom of Low Cortisol. But it can also be T3 reacing into the

cells?

3.) My low Ferritin. It's in the 40s. Our range goes from 20 to 300.

I am currently taking 2 x 25 mg Amino Ferrochel Iron daily.

I started taking 1 x 25 mg daily about 6 weeks ago. I have seen

a raise from 25 or so, to 45 in these weeks that have passed.

I hope this number is not too misleading, considering I haven't

stopped taking iron 5 days before taking the blood sample.

Some say you can get Atrial Fibrillation from having too low

Ferritin and taking T3. But I got Atrial Fibrillation while

taking 100 mcg T4 , 40 mcg T3 and having a Ferritin at 166

in January 2008. I just don't want to get that fib again!

4.) I don't really know if my health could have improved with ERFA

Thyroid until I've tried to increase the dose. Of course the

fear of developing more and more rT3 exists. And my FT3 to rT3

ratio is already at 14.9 - Doesn't this PROVE I have an rT3

problem? Does anyone know which ratio is better? FT3 to rT3?

TT3 to rT3 or that last method which I learned from my first

specialist:

" TT3 2.3 x 2 split 10 = 0.46 Ratio. The ratio should be within

20% of the rT3-value. "

What do you think of this method? According to THIS method, I

don't have an rT3-problem!

[Guest guest]

From STTM's Adrenal FAQ:

" 44) What is a " Thyroid Dump " ? Persons who have been low on cortisol may have

had the thyroid hormones " pooling " in the blood. One of the reasons to start HC

with very small doses, and increase gradually, is to avoid a sudden rush of

thyroid hormones into the cells of the body. When that happens, you may feel

extreme anxiety, racing heart, and/or other uncomfortable symptoms. If you feel

this discomfort, even after decreasing the Armour, patients find it helpful to

stop the Armour completely for a day or two or more, then raise back up. "

Is it possible to get a Thyroid Dump when I've already been on 20

mg HC for 6 months, and NOW increase the dose???

[Guest guest]

From STTM's Adrenal FAQ:

" 44) What is a " Thyroid Dump " ? Persons who have been low on cortisol may have

had the thyroid hormones " pooling " in the blood. One of the reasons to start HC

with very small doses, and increase gradually, is to avoid a sudden rush of

thyroid hormones into the cells of the body. When that happens, you may feel

extreme anxiety, racing heart, and/or other uncomfortable symptoms. If you feel

this discomfort, even after decreasing the Armour, patients find it helpful to

stop the Armour completely for a day or two or more, then raise back up. "

Is it possible to get a Thyroid Dump when I've already been on 20

mg HC for 6 months, and NOW increase the dose???

[Guest guest]

>I was never like this before. Weird.

>I am on 22.5 mg HC now. Yesterdays dose was 27.5 mg HC with the 5.0 mg

>stress-dose.

It still sounds like Val is right, you need more HC, you seemed better

yesterday when you stress dosed.

That's saying you are going to need more

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I was never like this before. Weird.

>I am on 22.5 mg HC now. Yesterdays dose was 27.5 mg HC with the 5.0 mg

>stress-dose.

It still sounds like Val is right, you need more HC, you seemed better

yesterday when you stress dosed.

That's saying you are going to need more

Nick

[Guest guest]

Weeeell...... I've felt weird every day since I _increased_ my HC to

22.5+ mg daily. Trying to figure out why I feel worse when

increasing HC. Cause I didn't do any other changes. EXCEPT changing

my sleeping schedule! Waking up 3 hours before I usually do, going to

bed 1-2 hours before I usually do. Can THAT make me feel this way?

Shaking and stuff? Or can it be ACTH shutting down with the 2.5 mg

dose increase, creating a bigger need for HC?

>

> >I was never like this before. Weird.

> >I am on 22.5 mg HC now. Yesterdays dose was 27.5 mg HC with the 5.0 mg

> >stress-dose.

>

> It still sounds like Val is right, you need more HC, you seemed better

> yesterday when you stress dosed.

>

> That's saying you are going to need more

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Weeeell...... I've felt weird every day since I _increased_ my HC to

22.5+ mg daily. Trying to figure out why I feel worse when

increasing HC. Cause I didn't do any other changes. EXCEPT changing

my sleeping schedule! Waking up 3 hours before I usually do, going to

bed 1-2 hours before I usually do. Can THAT make me feel this way?

Shaking and stuff? Or can it be ACTH shutting down with the 2.5 mg

dose increase, creating a bigger need for HC?

>

> >I was never like this before. Weird.

> >I am on 22.5 mg HC now. Yesterdays dose was 27.5 mg HC with the 5.0 mg

> >stress-dose.

>

> It still sounds like Val is right, you need more HC, you seemed better

> yesterday when you stress dosed.

>

> That's saying you are going to need more

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

>T3-only treatment worries:

Replies interspersed with questions

>

> Bekymringer om enbart-T3 behandling:

>

>1.) If I take T3-only now, and after a trial of Dessicated Thyroid

> later proves out to not work, I will have to take T3-only forever.

It it doesn't work then there is nothing to stop you going back to any

other regime. The " T3 only period " does not make any permanent changes

to stop you using other meds if they work for you.

I feel better on T3 than I did on any dose of natural and intend to

stay there permanently. I have just given away 3000 grains of good

natural that I had stashed away to friends that are on Natural as I

won't be using it.

> T3 is synthetic, and will NOT be the same, nor as good as taking

> Dessicated Thyroid. However, if the rT3 problem persists, T3-only

> WILL be better. But not technically better, as Dessicated is a

> way superior medicine, in reality.

For many people Natural is better than T4 only or T4/T3 synthetic mix.

It was for me.

If your metabolism has trouble utilising T4 then it is not " better " ,

for me synthetic T3 only leaves me feeling better than I did on

Natural.

>

>2.) Now that I'm increasing my HC-dose (up from 20 to 22.5 mg 4 days

> ago) I might get some kind of " overdose " of T3 into my cells.

> Maybe this an explain the shaking I am feeling now, after raising

> my HC by 2.5 mg? I don't think I can start to shake only because

> I take more HC, HC being the culprit itself? Shaking is usually

> a symptom of Low Cortisol. But it can also be T3 reacing into the

> cells?

With the little bit of T3 you haave that is incredibly unlikely, you

would have a fast pulse and high temmperature if that was the case.

>

>3.) My low Ferritin. It's in the 40s. Our range goes from 20 to 300.

> I am currently taking 2 x 25 mg Amino Ferrochel Iron daily.

> I started taking 1 x 25 mg daily about 6 weeks ago. I have seen

> a raise from 25 or so, to 45 in these weeks that have passed.

> I hope this number is not too misleading, considering I haven't

> stopped taking iron 5 days before taking the blood sample.

When you tried the 100 did you take it in a single dose??

If so try taking it in two doses, you can take iron 1 hour after T3

and then wait 4 hours before taking more T3, that will be fine while

you are dosing twice a day,

When you dose more frequently then taking the T3 subligually means you

don't get any interaction with iron,

> Some say you can get Atrial Fibrillation from having too low

> Ferritin and taking T3. But I got Atrial Fibrillation while

> taking 100 mcg T4 , 40 mcg T3 and having a Ferritin at 166

> in January 2008. I just don't want to get that fib again!

That fib was nearly 2 years ago. Were you low cortisol then?? If you

were that would explain the high serum FT3 that you said about. That

high FT3 was probably the cause of the A Fib and was only there

BECAUSE the cortisol was too low to let the FT3 be utilised into the

cells. That low cortisol would also cause that T4 to convert to RT3

further preventing the T3 being properly utilised.

Going the route of T3 only WITH adrenal support won't cause the same

thing to repeat PROVIDED the dose is altered slowly and there is

ENOUGH adrenal support..

>4.) I don't really know if my health could have improved with ERFA

> Thyroid until I've tried to increase the dose. Of course the

> fear of developing more and more rT3 exists. And my FT3 to rT3

> ratio is already at 14.9 - Doesn't this PROVE I have an rT3

> problem? Does anyone know which ratio is better? FT3 to rT3?

> TT3 to rT3 or that last method which I learned from my first

> specialist:

FT3 to RT3 is the preferred ratio. That ratio indicates that you are

having trouble utilising the T4 and Erfa won't help with that.

>

> " TT3 2.3 x 2 split 10 = 0.46 Ratio. The ratio should be within

> 20% of the rT3-value. "

>

> What do you think of this method? According to THIS method, I

> don't have an rT3-problem!

No experience of it

>

>

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Is it possible to get a Thyroid Dump when I've already been on 20

>mg HC for 6 months, and NOW increase the dose???

not likely with the small dose of thyroid you are on, that's more

common for someone on 4 or 5 grains

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Is it possible to get a Thyroid Dump when I've already been on 20

>mg HC for 6 months, and NOW increase the dose???

not likely with the small dose of thyroid you are on, that's more

common for someone on 4 or 5 grains

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Weeeell...... I've felt weird every day since I _increased_

>my HC to 22.5+ mg daily. Trying to figure out why I feel

>worse when increasing HC. Cause I didn't do any other

>changes. EXCEPT changing my sleeping schedule! Waking up 3

>hours before I usually do, going to bed 1-2 hours before I

>usually do. Can THAT make me feel this way? Shaking and

>stuff?

Unlikely

>Or can it be ACTH shutting down with the 2.5 mg dose

>increase, creating a bigger need for HC?

Very likely, or adrenaline being produced which can leave you feeling

wired and shaky. That can end up being produced by adrenals if they

can't make enough cortisol. Adrenaline is more likely to give a fast

heart though.

Sounds like more HC is worth a trial.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Like I thought. But why on earth do I get this shaking/strange

feeling in my body then? It appeared only after taking extra HC.

I was " ok " on 20 mg. Then, four days ago, I increased the dose by

adding 2.5 mg as a " stress dose " , cause I had not slept that night

at the hospital and felt very lousy. Then, 22.5 the next day, and 27.5 yesterday

(I added 5.0 mg as a stress dose cause I thought I had

forgotten one of my daily doses that day!), and it's gonna be 22.5

today as well.. Now. I realize I can feel weird from many things.

It can be electrolytes? Just HYPO? It is strange, however, that this

change happened right after upping my dose by 2.5 mg to 22.5.

Last time I upped the dose to 22.5 I went down to 20 again, cause I

didn't feel good on 22.5. Now I'm back on 22.5 and I still don't

feel good with it. I don't want to do any mistakes, so I will try

to stay on 22.5. And the increase to 25 mg in a week or so. BUT...

What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

slow and calm?

>

> >Is it possible to get a Thyroid Dump when I've already been on 20

> >mg HC for 6 months, and NOW increase the dose???

>

> not likely with the small dose of thyroid you are on, that's more

> common for someone on 4 or 5 grains

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Like I thought. But why on earth do I get this shaking/strange

feeling in my body then? It appeared only after taking extra HC.

I was " ok " on 20 mg. Then, four days ago, I increased the dose by

adding 2.5 mg as a " stress dose " , cause I had not slept that night

at the hospital and felt very lousy. Then, 22.5 the next day, and 27.5 yesterday

(I added 5.0 mg as a stress dose cause I thought I had

forgotten one of my daily doses that day!), and it's gonna be 22.5

today as well.. Now. I realize I can feel weird from many things.

It can be electrolytes? Just HYPO? It is strange, however, that this

change happened right after upping my dose by 2.5 mg to 22.5.

Last time I upped the dose to 22.5 I went down to 20 again, cause I

didn't feel good on 22.5. Now I'm back on 22.5 and I still don't

feel good with it. I don't want to do any mistakes, so I will try

to stay on 22.5. And the increase to 25 mg in a week or so. BUT...

What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

slow and calm?

>

> >Is it possible to get a Thyroid Dump when I've already been on 20

> >mg HC for 6 months, and NOW increase the dose???

>

> not likely with the small dose of thyroid you are on, that's more

> common for someone on 4 or 5 grains

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

>BUT...

>What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

>of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

>slow and calm?

Who knows, try it and see.

Hypoglaecemia is a common cause of feeling shaky, That's a low

cortisol thing.

remember a small increase in dose can lead to a DECREASE in the system

the next day if the feedback loop is screwed up

Nick

[Guest guest]

>BUT...

>What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

>of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

>slow and calm?

Who knows, try it and see.

Hypoglaecemia is a common cause of feeling shaky, That's a low

cortisol thing.

remember a small increase in dose can lead to a DECREASE in the system

the next day if the feedback loop is screwed up

Nick

[Guest guest]

>BUT...

>What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

>of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

>slow and calm?

Who knows, try it and see.

Hypoglaecemia is a common cause of feeling shaky, That's a low

cortisol thing.

remember a small increase in dose can lead to a DECREASE in the system

the next day if the feedback loop is screwed up

Nick

[Guest guest]

Yeah I'm gussing I am in a feedback-loop thing now. How to avoid

such a loop? To take more, and increase faster? Then how can I know

if 22.5 if " right " for me or not? If I go to 25.0 tomorrow, I might

go too fast? Only 4 days on 22.5 including today.

Doesn't Medrol have harsher side-effects than HC or are they the

same? CHF and heart failure are listed in the Medrol packing slip.

THAT sounds scry. Heart failure. From WHAT? From not tolerating

Medrol?

Come to think of it. I started being " shaky " (not shaking massively,

but my movement is not smooth and my hands are shaking a bit!) only

the day after I started with 22.5 mg. Maybe the body needed 24 hours

to respons to the 2.5 increase?

How does ACTH work with these things? Val said something about that.

>

> >BUT...

> >What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

> >of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

> >slow and calm?

>

> Who knows, try it and see.

>

> Hypoglaecemia is a common cause of feeling shaky, That's a low

> cortisol thing.

>

> remember a small increase in dose can lead to a DECREASE in the system

> the next day if the feedback loop is screwed up

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah I'm gussing I am in a feedback-loop thing now. How to avoid

such a loop? To take more, and increase faster? Then how can I know

if 22.5 if " right " for me or not? If I go to 25.0 tomorrow, I might

go too fast? Only 4 days on 22.5 including today.

Doesn't Medrol have harsher side-effects than HC or are they the

same? CHF and heart failure are listed in the Medrol packing slip.

THAT sounds scry. Heart failure. From WHAT? From not tolerating

Medrol?

Come to think of it. I started being " shaky " (not shaking massively,

but my movement is not smooth and my hands are shaking a bit!) only

the day after I started with 22.5 mg. Maybe the body needed 24 hours

to respons to the 2.5 increase?

How does ACTH work with these things? Val said something about that.

>

> >BUT...

> >What if I am one of the few people who get a very high utilizement

> >of HC, and need Medrol (Prednosolone) instead to make things more

> >slow and calm?

>

> Who knows, try it and see.

>

> Hypoglaecemia is a common cause of feeling shaky, That's a low

> cortisol thing.

>

> remember a small increase in dose can lead to a DECREASE in the system

> the next day if the feedback loop is screwed up

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/4/Sodium-imbalance.html

Isn't this information important for us with low aldosterone, and for

us taking sea salt? I mean.. It's not totally safe to drink salt!

[Guest guest]

http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/4/Sodium-imbalance.html

Isn't this information important for us with low aldosterone, and for

us taking sea salt? I mean.. It's not totally safe to drink salt!

[Guest guest]

http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/4/Sodium-imbalance.html

Isn't this information important for us with low aldosterone, and for

us taking sea salt? I mean.. It's not totally safe to drink salt!

[Guest guest]

>

>Isn't this information important for us with low aldosterone, and for

>us taking sea salt? I mean.. It's not totally safe to drink salt!

In the sort of doses that Val talks about I am sure it is safe.

If you were to drink 10 litres of sea water then that's another

matter.

That article yur references said

" Very high sodium levels can lead to seizures and death. "

with the emphasis on VERY

Nick

[Guest guest]

>

>Isn't this information important for us with low aldosterone, and for

>us taking sea salt? I mean.. It's not totally safe to drink salt!

In the sort of doses that Val talks about I am sure it is safe.

If you were to drink 10 litres of sea water then that's another

matter.

That article yur references said

" Very high sodium levels can lead to seizures and death. "

with the emphasis on VERY

Nick

[Guest guest]

>

>Isn't this information important for us with low aldosterone, and for

>us taking sea salt? I mean.. It's not totally safe to drink salt!

In the sort of doses that Val talks about I am sure it is safe.

If you were to drink 10 litres of sea water then that's another

matter.

That article yur references said

" Very high sodium levels can lead to seizures and death. "

with the emphasis on VERY

Nick