Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLY

[Guest guest]

, don't forget that you can have a false high reading on your ferritin level due to inflammation. So it might not have been the ferretin after all. I read that many people were able to stop the A-Fib once they got their iron levels to a better level. But who knows....it can be so confusing!

Terri

I am reading your site. It's great!I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like mybody needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for thetip Nick!How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistenceto T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking thereceptors.Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? And how oftenwould it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I amtaking a lot of it?I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,so... However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritincausing problems back then (January 2008).So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse afterthat, being on T4-only up til this summer.> > >> >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -> >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?> > Have a read of this> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need> to increase T3 to compensate.> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and> stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2> doses.> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.> > Nick>

[Guest guest]

, don't forget that you can have a false high reading on your ferritin level due to inflammation. So it might not have been the ferretin after all. I read that many people were able to stop the A-Fib once they got their iron levels to a better level. But who knows....it can be so confusing!

Terri

I am reading your site. It's great!I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like mybody needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for thetip Nick!How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistenceto T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking thereceptors.Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? And how oftenwould it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I amtaking a lot of it?I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,so... However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritincausing problems back then (January 2008).So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse afterthat, being on T4-only up til this summer.> > >> >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -> >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?> > Have a read of this> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need> to increase T3 to compensate.> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and> stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2> doses.> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.> > Nick>

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Well I've had a chronic infection of my tonsils for 8 years now.

Who knows what THAT might be doing to my body. I even heart it can

be very dangerous!

PRESSURE IS BACK!

It feels like my heart has problems beating, like something is

squeezing it, trying to prevent it from beating. It's really scary.

I think another trip to the ER is necessary now. I could ask them

to run more checks. Like, for diabetes and such. I had a very high

insulin reading 3 months ago. Even 3 hours after I ate. So who

knows...

> >

> > >

> > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

> > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

> >

> > Have a read of this

> >

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

> >

> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need

> > to increase T3 to compensate.

> >

> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.

> >

> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and

> > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.

> >

> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2

> > doses.

> >

> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well I've had a chronic infection of my tonsils for 8 years now.

Who knows what THAT might be doing to my body. I even heart it can

be very dangerous!

PRESSURE IS BACK!

It feels like my heart has problems beating, like something is

squeezing it, trying to prevent it from beating. It's really scary.

I think another trip to the ER is necessary now. I could ask them

to run more checks. Like, for diabetes and such. I had a very high

insulin reading 3 months ago. Even 3 hours after I ate. So who

knows...

> >

> > >

> > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

> > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

> >

> > Have a read of this

> >

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

> >

> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need

> > to increase T3 to compensate.

> >

> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.

> >

> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and

> > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.

> >

> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2

> > doses.

> >

> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's only you getting a bit more hypo for the night. Not an ER thing

tomorrow try a third 5mcg dose

this is my last message for 12 hours as phone line has failed and this is via my

mobile

nick

> > >

> > > >

> > > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

> > > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

> > >

> > > Have a read of this

> > >

> > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

> > >

> > > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need

> > > to increase T3 to compensate.

> > >

> > > It will be a few months before things stabilise.

> > >

> > > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and

> > > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.

> > >

> > > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2

> > > doses.

> > >

> > > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.

> > >

> > > Nick

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's only you getting a bit more hypo for the night. Not an ER thing

tomorrow try a third 5mcg dose

this is my last message for 12 hours as phone line has failed and this is via my

mobile

nick

> > >

> > > >

> > > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -

> > > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?

> > >

> > > Have a read of this

> > >

> > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

> > >

> > > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need

> > > to increase T3 to compensate.

> > >

> > > It will be a few months before things stabilise.

> > >

> > > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and

> > > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.

> > >

> > > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2

> > > doses.

> > >

> > > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.

> > >

> > > Nick

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>I am reading your site. It's great!

Glad you've got your head back enough to be able to read

>

>I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my

>body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.

>Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,

>at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.

>

>Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the

>tip Nick!

>

Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be

struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that

>How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?

Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was

only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36.

>So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,

>cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence

>to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the

>receptors.

It may have been RT3 all along, who knows.

In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of

T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper

on that dose but I am not.

When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out

before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before

the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take

to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed.

Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end

up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the

summer but apart from that should be stable.

>

>Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.

>

Yep

>When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again?

I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own

T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made

from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is made.

It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear

blood result means nothing.

>And how often

>would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am

>taking a lot of it?

To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not

going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of

moving targets.

Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well

then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4

months when you are on a stable dose

Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can

guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need

them

>I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,

>so...

What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a

thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it

in the cells

>However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin

>causing problems back then (January 2008).

>

As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on

ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see

STTM link)

>So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,

>with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after

>that, being on T4-only up til this summer.

All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step

My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to

posts before tomorrow

Nick

Nick

[Guest guest]

>

>I am reading your site. It's great!

Glad you've got your head back enough to be able to read

>

>I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my

>body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.

>Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,

>at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.

>

>Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the

>tip Nick!

>

Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be

struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that

>How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?

Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was

only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36.

>So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,

>cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence

>to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the

>receptors.

It may have been RT3 all along, who knows.

In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of

T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper

on that dose but I am not.

When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out

before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before

the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take

to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed.

Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end

up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the

summer but apart from that should be stable.

>

>Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.

>

Yep

>When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again?

I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own

T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made

from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is made.

It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear

blood result means nothing.

>And how often

>would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am

>taking a lot of it?

To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not

going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of

moving targets.

Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well

then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4

months when you are on a stable dose

Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can

guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need

them

>I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,

>so...

What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a

thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it

in the cells

>However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin

>causing problems back then (January 2008).

>

As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on

ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see

STTM link)

>So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,

>with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after

>that, being on T4-only up til this summer.

All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step

My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to

posts before tomorrow

Nick

Nick

[Guest guest]

>

>I am reading your site. It's great!

Glad you've got your head back enough to be able to read

>

>I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my

>body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.

>Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,

>at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.

>

>Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the

>tip Nick!

>

Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be

struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that

>How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?

Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was

only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36.

>So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,

>cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence

>to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the

>receptors.

It may have been RT3 all along, who knows.

In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of

T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper

on that dose but I am not.

When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out

before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before

the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take

to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed.

Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end

up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the

summer but apart from that should be stable.

>

>Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.

>

Yep

>When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again?

I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own

T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made

from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is made.

It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear

blood result means nothing.

>And how often

>would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am

>taking a lot of it?

To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not

going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of

moving targets.

Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well

then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4

months when you are on a stable dose

Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can

guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need

them

>I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,

>so...

What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a

thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it

in the cells

>However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin

>causing problems back then (January 2008).

>

As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on

ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see

STTM link)

>So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,

>with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after

>that, being on T4-only up til this summer.

All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step

My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to

posts before tomorrow

Nick

Nick

[Guest guest]

FIRST I must ask about this: I am shaking. Lack of T3 or lack of

Cortisol? I have been doing 22.5 mgs of HC for about 5 days now.

Stress doses a few of those days with 2.5 to 5.0 mg. Do you think

I can raise my daily HC to 25.0 ? And do it today? I am thinking,

either I shake because of Low Cortisol OR lack of T3 in my cells.

Maybe my body is detecting I am not taking T4 and thus seeing these

symptoms. My head seems cleared on this second day of T3-only though.

But I feel weird, weak, and I'm shaking, especially my hands. And

more when I move my arms/hands than when I hold them still.

> >I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my

> >body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.

> >Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,

> >at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.

> >

> >Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the

> >tip Nick!

> >

> Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be

> struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that

Yeah. I did a new Ferritin test today, without stopping taking iron.

Cause if I stop taking Iron for 5 days it will be a 5 day setback

in my plan to get my Ferritin up.

> >How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?

>

> Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was

> only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36.

I'll tell you what. My TSH was 1.20 and " very normal " when I took

my first thyroid tests in 1997. I was healthy, according to the

endocrinologists. However, a private specialist looked at me,

heard my story, and diagnosed me purely by symptoms and gave me T4.

And it worked! I never measured my temp back then.

These days, my temp is 100% normal. 36.4 when I wake up and 36.9/37.0

in the daytime/eveningtime.

> >So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,

> >cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence

> >to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the

> >receptors.

>

> It may have been RT3 all along, who knows.

Well. If I got healthy by taking solely T4, is it even possible it

could've been rT3 from my age of 13?

> In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of

> T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper

> on that dose but I am not.

Scary. What if you suddenly get Hyper? THAT can be VERY dangerous?

And what about me.. If I am taking a lot of T3 (let's say 100 mcgs

daily) and remove my tonsils (cause/part reason for rT3 and AF?)

and BOOM my rT3 goes away, and my T3 becomes stronger in me?

> When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out

> before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before

> the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take

> to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed.

> Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end

> up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the

> summer but apart from that should be stable.

Vicious circle. I get it. That is wicked. I am glad you solved that

problem! rT3 it was, indeed.

Did you see the rT3 in the blood and did you do the ratios etc?

And what is your ratio like now?

> >Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.

> >

>

> Yep

My ratio was at 14.9 last time I checked it about 2 weeks ago.

I will just check my FT3/FT4/TSH/rT3 regularly like I always do.

Once a month or so.

> >When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again?

>

> I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own

> T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made

> from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is >made.

>

> It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear

> blood result means nothing.

So I won't need to check rT3? Hmmm... Blood samples can be a backup,

but will never rule over symptoms. That's for sure!

BTW: Feel a bit clearer in my head today on my second day of T3-only.

Is this normal? (I agree it's a Good thing though).

My heart still feels weird. Skipping beats, feels like somebody is

squeezing my heart every now and then, and I have this bad feeling

that my heart can just stop. It might be physical but it is also

my mental state telling me I'm not healthy and I know I take too

little T3-meds!

HOWEVER, there is one basic thing I always wanted to know, but docs

have always failed when trying to tell me this:

> >And how often

> >would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am

> >taking a lot of it?

>

> To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not

> going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of

> moving targets.

And when my T4 gets lower, cause I don't take any T4-meds, my

Thyroid gland will produce its own T4. My gland is seemingly working

perfectly, so it will be a normal amount of T4. Can it start to

produce T4 LATER if I take a high dose of T3 daily, and one day

decide to stop taking all meds? Let's say it's REALLY high calcium

in my cells that prevent the hormones to reach into them..........

Then I would want to stop taking all meds and reduce calcium, and

finally be NON-HYPOTHYROID. It's just one of my many theories.

www.calciumlie.com

> Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well

> then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4

> months when you are on a stable dose

Blood tests are free here... All of them. rT3 as well. I can test

it as often as I want to. Whenever I want to.

> Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can

> guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need

> them

Exactly!

> >I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,

> >so...

>

> What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a

> thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it

> in the cells

And I was reading about atrial fibrillation. Seems like it COULD have

been ventricular fibrillation instead. It felt like my heart did not

beat for 20 minutes. I did NOT pass out. Luckily. But it was just

SHAKING. It was SO scary. And it felt like someone was poking inside

my heart with a huge feather. The most ticklish feeling EVER. It

was HORRIBLE.

High FT3 cause of low cortisol sounds plausible. And with all that

stress, too. However, no blood or saliva samples proved low cortisol

in the whole following year. Only 1 1/2 years after the fib, low

cortisol was proven with a saliva test analyzed in the USA. Weird?

What if I really just took too much meds. 100 mcg T4, 40 mcg T3.

Woul this have happened if I just would have stayed on 125 mcg T4

forever? Who knows.

Just took my second dose of HC, 7.5 mg, and my hands are still

shaking, or moving in a jagged way, if you get what I mean...

Could it be just low T3 in the cells, or even DIABETES?

My diabetes check up from September with my old specialist (who

gave me the Hypo diagnose based on symptoms in 1997 and saved my

life that time!) :

Insulin 206* (18 - 173 pmol/L)

C-Peptid 1414* (370 - 1470 pmol/L)

This test was taken 2 hours after my breakfast. It's way too high

for being 2 hours after a meal. Even 3 hours I think.

Maybe I am becoming diabetic? Hydrocortison can also make people

diabetic. Right? Maybe I need to check my acidity asap so I don't

get that diabetic acidic ketose/shock thing?

> >However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin

> >causing problems back then (January 2008).

> >

> As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on

> ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see

> STTM link)

Hypo can have lowered it. OR eating gluten free. Or both.

> >So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,

> >with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after

> >that, being on T4-only up til this summer.

>

> All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step

I definitely felt worse being on T4-only, and INCREASING the T4 dose to 150 mcg

daily. Just HORRIBLE. The pressure in the head was THE WORST. Lasted for 8

months til we went down on the T4 dose... Then

it went away!

> My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to

> posts before tomorrow

Thanks Nick. Means a lot to me that you're helping me out!

T.

[Guest guest]

>But I feel weird, weak, and I'm shaking, especially my hands. And

>more when I move my arms/hands than when I hold them still.

Hypoglycemia???

That can be a low cortisol symptom.

What's temperature and pulse doing???

Does salted water help

Does a stress dose of HC help??

You could increase HC again and see what happens. Vel thought more

might be needed

Nick

[Guest guest]

Well. I have NEVER been shaking like this before, even before I

started taking HC in June. After I took my second dose of 7.5 mg

today, that shaking went on. Didn't help to eat, either.

The first time this shaking appeared was on the 13/12/2009

(good " lucky " -date, huh!) after I raised to 22.5 mg HC daily on

10/12/2009. So, three days with shaking. A little on and off.

I changed from ERFA Thyroid to 10 mcg T3 yesterday, on 14/12/2009.

Sooo... WHY do I get this shaking? It happened before I changed to

T3-only, so it can't be that. It can be a coincidence; Just low

T3 in my cells. It could also be ACTH shutting down (right?) thus

giving me lower cortisol because my own prodution goes down/stops.

THEN 22.5 mg of HC will be too little. Have I learned this correctly?

You and Val have been my grandmasters. I know I am a novice, so...

Bare with me!

I could also just have too MUCH HC.. Like, if I'm one of the FEW

persons who just don't tolerate HC as a med, and as a result, I am

not Cushings. Can you shake if you have Cushings/high cortisol?

I probably had high cortisol and high adrenaline when I got that

issue with my heart in January 2008; The ventricular fibrillation or

atrial fibrillation. I don't want to get it again. Hope taking more

HC won't make that happen! I am also worried about increasing

T3 because of the heart issue.

PS! I write a diary of stuff that happens every day. I mainly write

about the bad, but also about new GOOD things, changes, that appears.

With dates. Also doses of every med I take. It's easy to go back in

time and find details of things this way!

Hypoglymecia: Not sure - But eating didn't help

Pulse: 75 - Just staying regular

Temp: 36.9 - Just being ideal

Salted water: I drink one glass when I wake up, and one later in the day - So my

sodium can't be too low, can it?

Stress dose of HC: I took my second dose 1 hour after the shaking started - No

changes.

T.

>

> >But I feel weird, weak, and I'm shaking, especially my hands. And

> >more when I move my arms/hands than when I hold them still.

>

> Hypoglycemia???

>

> That can be a low cortisol symptom.

>

> What's temperature and pulse doing???

>

> Does salted water help

>

> Does a stress dose of HC help??

>

> You could increase HC again and see what happens. Vel thought more

> might be needed

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Shaking is usually lwo cortiosl. Most men need abotu 35mg HC to start

with to rebuild reaserves,.

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[Guest guest]

Valeria! Welcome back! How was your little time off? Thanks for your reply!

Yeah. I am really getting that now. So I am increasing my dose, well, today.

I just took a 2.5 mg stress-dose, and I would like to believe it helped.

But it didn't help a lot. Still shaking. The shaking has been with me

all thru the day, but increased after I went nuts with the dog. I had

a little rage 30 minutes ago. And guess who's getting punishment? ME.

Not the dog. Typical. Stupid humans, huh. Anyway... My hands were shaking quite

a bit til I took that 2.5 mg dose. Now they're back to " normal "

shaking.

Val, can you confirm what you said earlier, something about increasing

HC too slowly can shut down ACTH cause it notices the increase, thus

giving me lower cortisol Because I increased it with just 2.5 mg?

I am now on my 5th day with 22.5 mg. Well 25.0 with that stress-dose.

How often do people stress-dose? ONLY when they get symptoms on low

cortisol, or is it recommended stress-dosing when you KNOW you body

will react to it - trying to beat the low cortisol before it happens so

to say?!

My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've

seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess

since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can

swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this

a low cortisol or HC symptom?

T.

PS! The plan is to up with 5 mcg T3 to a daily total of 15 mcg in a few days. I

am worried though - Last time I took 40 mcg T3 I got that

fibrillation of some sort. Trying to convince my brain that I now

am quite safe, cause of HC... But it's hard to believe it!

>

> Shaking is usually lwo cortiosl. Most men need abotu 35mg HC to start

> with to rebuild reaserves,.

>

> --

[Guest guest]

Btw, now that I am on T3-only, and take 5 mcg at 10 am and the next

5 mcg at 2 pm... Won't the body be Starving for more T3 at 5-6 pm and

into the evening?

Pressure on the chest is back, right NOW. Dang.. Last time it lasted

for 20 hours, ecxatly. EKG was fine, with some electrical bad wiring though.

But it was " within the normal " .

Pulse atm: 85

[Guest guest]

Btw, now that I am on T3-only, and take 5 mcg at 10 am and the next

5 mcg at 2 pm... Won't the body be Starving for more T3 at 5-6 pm and

into the evening?

Pressure on the chest is back, right NOW. Dang.. Last time it lasted

for 20 hours, ecxatly. EKG was fine, with some electrical bad wiring though.

But it was " within the normal " .

Pulse atm: 85

[Guest guest]

I know this will sound weird but.. How often can I eat 2 maki roll pieces with a

small dip of glutenfree soy? Once a year? Once a month? One of my favorite

foods!

[Guest guest]

I know this will sound weird but.. How often can I eat 2 maki roll pieces with a

small dip of glutenfree soy? Once a year? Once a month? One of my favorite

foods!

[Guest guest]

I know this will sound weird but.. How often can I eat 2 maki roll pieces with a

small dip of glutenfree soy? Once a year? Once a month? One of my favorite

foods!

[Guest guest]

>My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've

>seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess

>since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can

>swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this

>a low cortisol or HC symptom?

Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site??

>Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the

sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low.

>

>A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it

kicks in when you have low cortisol.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Well.. Except that my temp is not low and I don't feel hot these days.

However, I had problems with heat all through 2008 and especially

in the summertime. I was like... It was horrible! Maybe I feel

better now because I am on HC! My fingers did start to sweat after

I took HC also, so.. I don't know! Sweating fingers - It's a new

one for me! Since last year.

The " heart beats hard " thing is something I've felt more and more this

year. So I am definitely low thyroid on the cellular level.

I like your site, Nick! I read something off of it every day.

I should read the whole thing over and over now to try to remember

everything! Sadly my memory has gone a little off whack in these past

two years. For quite obvious reasons.

>

> >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've

> >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess

> >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can

> >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this

> >a low cortisol or HC symptom?

>

> Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site??

>

> >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the

sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low.

> >

> >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it

kicks in when you have low cortisol.

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Well.. Except that my temp is not low and I don't feel hot these days.

However, I had problems with heat all through 2008 and especially

in the summertime. I was like... It was horrible! Maybe I feel

better now because I am on HC! My fingers did start to sweat after

I took HC also, so.. I don't know! Sweating fingers - It's a new

one for me! Since last year.

The " heart beats hard " thing is something I've felt more and more this

year. So I am definitely low thyroid on the cellular level.

I like your site, Nick! I read something off of it every day.

I should read the whole thing over and over now to try to remember

everything! Sadly my memory has gone a little off whack in these past

two years. For quite obvious reasons.

>

> >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've

> >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess

> >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can

> >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this

> >a low cortisol or HC symptom?

>

> Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site??

>

> >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the

sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low.

> >

> >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it

kicks in when you have low cortisol.

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Well.. Except that my temp is not low and I don't feel hot these days.

However, I had problems with heat all through 2008 and especially

in the summertime. I was like... It was horrible! Maybe I feel

better now because I am on HC! My fingers did start to sweat after

I took HC also, so.. I don't know! Sweating fingers - It's a new

one for me! Since last year.

The " heart beats hard " thing is something I've felt more and more this

year. So I am definitely low thyroid on the cellular level.

I like your site, Nick! I read something off of it every day.

I should read the whole thing over and over now to try to remember

everything! Sadly my memory has gone a little off whack in these past

two years. For quite obvious reasons.

>

> >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've

> >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess

> >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can

> >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this

> >a low cortisol or HC symptom?

>

> Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site??

>

> >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the

sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low.

> >

> >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it

kicks in when you have low cortisol.

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Well looks like I am at 25 mg daily now. My extra 2.5 mgs of " stress

doses " are now turning into regular extras, so.. Yeah! 25. And after

3 days I can increase to maybe even Directly 30?

[Guest guest]

Well looks like I am at 25 mg daily now. My extra 2.5 mgs of " stress

doses " are now turning into regular extras, so.. Yeah! 25. And after

3 days I can increase to maybe even Directly 30?