Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 , don't forget that you can have a false high reading on your ferritin level due to inflammation. So it might not have been the ferretin after all. I read that many people were able to stop the A-Fib once they got their iron levels to a better level. But who knows....it can be so confusing! Terri I am reading your site. It's great!I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like mybody needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for thetip Nick!How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistenceto T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking thereceptors.Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? And how oftenwould it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I amtaking a lot of it?I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,so... However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritincausing problems back then (January 2008).So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse afterthat, being on T4-only up til this summer.> > >> >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -> >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?> > Have a read of this> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need> to increase T3 to compensate.> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and> stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2> doses.> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.> > Nick> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 , don't forget that you can have a false high reading on your ferritin level due to inflammation. So it might not have been the ferretin after all. I read that many people were able to stop the A-Fib once they got their iron levels to a better level. But who knows....it can be so confusing! Terri I am reading your site. It's great!I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like mybody needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad.Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now,at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time.Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for thetip Nick!How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups?So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know,cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistenceto T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking thereceptors.Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation.When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? And how oftenwould it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I amtaking a lot of it?I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then,so... However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritincausing problems back then (January 2008).So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess,with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse afterthat, being on T4-only up til this summer.> > >> >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things -> >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose?> > Have a read of this> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm> > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need> to increase T3 to compensate.> > It will be a few months before things stabilise.> > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and> stress, much like adrenal symptoms really.> > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2> doses.> > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption.> > Nick> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Well I've had a chronic infection of my tonsils for 8 years now. Who knows what THAT might be doing to my body. I even heart it can be very dangerous! PRESSURE IS BACK! It feels like my heart has problems beating, like something is squeezing it, trying to prevent it from beating. It's really scary. I think another trip to the ER is necessary now. I could ask them to run more checks. Like, for diabetes and such. I had a very high insulin reading 3 months ago. Even 3 hours after I ate. So who knows... > > > > > > > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things - > > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose? > > > > Have a read of this > > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm > > > > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need > > to increase T3 to compensate. > > > > It will be a few months before things stabilise. > > > > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and > > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really. > > > > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2 > > doses. > > > > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption. > > > > Nick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Well I've had a chronic infection of my tonsils for 8 years now. Who knows what THAT might be doing to my body. I even heart it can be very dangerous! PRESSURE IS BACK! It feels like my heart has problems beating, like something is squeezing it, trying to prevent it from beating. It's really scary. I think another trip to the ER is necessary now. I could ask them to run more checks. Like, for diabetes and such. I had a very high insulin reading 3 months ago. Even 3 hours after I ate. So who knows... > > > > > > > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things - > > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose? > > > > Have a read of this > > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm > > > > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need > > to increase T3 to compensate. > > > > It will be a few months before things stabilise. > > > > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and > > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really. > > > > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2 > > doses. > > > > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption. > > > > Nick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 It's only you getting a bit more hypo for the night. Not an ER thing tomorrow try a third 5mcg dose this is my last message for 12 hours as phone line has failed and this is via my mobile nick > > > > > > > > > > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things - > > > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose? > > > > > > Have a read of this > > > > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm > > > > > > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need > > > to increase T3 to compensate. > > > > > > It will be a few months before things stabilise. > > > > > > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and > > > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really. > > > > > > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2 > > > doses. > > > > > > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 It's only you getting a bit more hypo for the night. Not an ER thing tomorrow try a third 5mcg dose this is my last message for 12 hours as phone line has failed and this is via my mobile nick > > > > > > > > > > >Nick, what can I expect from here? I like to know before I do things - > > > >Any warnings? Like how will I know when to up the dose? > > > > > > Have a read of this > > > > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm > > > > > > You can expect a chase, as your T4 levels go down then you will need > > > to increase T3 to compensate. > > > > > > It will be a few months before things stabilise. > > > > > > If the ferritin starts getting in the way you might get anxiety and > > > stress, much like adrenal symptoms really. > > > > > > Keep going with that iron, at least 100 per day but split it into 2 > > > doses. > > > > > > I've heard that vitamin C with it can help absorption. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 > >I am reading your site. It's great! Glad you've got your head back enough to be able to read > >I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my >body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad. >Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now, >at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time. > >Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the >tip Nick! > Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that >How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups? Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36. >So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know, >cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence >to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the >receptors. It may have been RT3 all along, who knows. In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper on that dose but I am not. When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed. Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the summer but apart from that should be stable. > >Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation. > Yep >When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is made. It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear blood result means nothing. >And how often >would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am >taking a lot of it? To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of moving targets. Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4 months when you are on a stable dose Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need them >I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then, >so... What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it in the cells >However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin >causing problems back then (January 2008). > As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see STTM link) >So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess, >with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after >that, being on T4-only up til this summer. All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to posts before tomorrow Nick Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 > >I am reading your site. It's great! Glad you've got your head back enough to be able to read > >I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my >body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad. >Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now, >at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time. > >Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the >tip Nick! > Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that >How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups? Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36. >So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know, >cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence >to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the >receptors. It may have been RT3 all along, who knows. In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper on that dose but I am not. When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed. Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the summer but apart from that should be stable. > >Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation. > Yep >When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is made. It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear blood result means nothing. >And how often >would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am >taking a lot of it? To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of moving targets. Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4 months when you are on a stable dose Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need them >I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then, >so... What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it in the cells >However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin >causing problems back then (January 2008). > As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see STTM link) >So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess, >with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after >that, being on T4-only up til this summer. All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to posts before tomorrow Nick Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 > >I am reading your site. It's great! Glad you've got your head back enough to be able to read > >I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my >body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad. >Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now, >at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time. > >Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the >tip Nick! > Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that >How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups? Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36. >So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know, >cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence >to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the >receptors. It may have been RT3 all along, who knows. In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper on that dose but I am not. When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed. Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the summer but apart from that should be stable. > >Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation. > Yep >When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is made. It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear blood result means nothing. >And how often >would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am >taking a lot of it? To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of moving targets. Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4 months when you are on a stable dose Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need them >I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then, >so... What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it in the cells >However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin >causing problems back then (January 2008). > As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see STTM link) >So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess, >with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after >that, being on T4-only up til this summer. All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to posts before tomorrow Nick Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 FIRST I must ask about this: I am shaking. Lack of T3 or lack of Cortisol? I have been doing 22.5 mgs of HC for about 5 days now. Stress doses a few of those days with 2.5 to 5.0 mg. Do you think I can raise my daily HC to 25.0 ? And do it today? I am thinking, either I shake because of Low Cortisol OR lack of T3 in my cells. Maybe my body is detecting I am not taking T4 and thus seeing these symptoms. My head seems cleared on this second day of T3-only though. But I feel weird, weak, and I'm shaking, especially my hands. And more when I move my arms/hands than when I hold them still. > >I'm kind of wondering like.. If I take more T3 when I feel like my > >body needs it, and my body won't accept it. That would be bad. > >Ferritin can be a problem for sure. I take only 50 mg daily now, > >at midnight, 2 x 25 mg Iron at the same time. > > > >Maybe I should start taking two doses like you say. Thanks for the > >tip Nick! > > > Go for it, if you don't manage to get that ferritin up you will be > struggling and it needs more than 50 to achieve that Yeah. I did a new Ferritin test today, without stopping taking iron. Cause if I stop taking Iron for 5 days it will be a 5 day setback in my plan to get my Ferritin up. > >How many Hypothyroid Type 2 people do we have in these groups? > > Probably a fair few. I don't have a formal diagnosis but my TSH was > only 2.8 when I fely very hypo and had a temperature of 36. I'll tell you what. My TSH was 1.20 and " very normal " when I took my first thyroid tests in 1997. I was healthy, according to the endocrinologists. However, a private specialist looked at me, heard my story, and diagnosed me purely by symptoms and gave me T4. And it worked! I never measured my temp back then. These days, my temp is 100% normal. 36.4 when I wake up and 36.9/37.0 in the daytime/eveningtime. > >So far I feel kind of alone with that diagnose... You know, > >cell-resistance to T3, NOT because of rT3 originally, just a resistence > >to T3. Probably becasue of mercury from my fillings. Blocking the > >receptors. > > It may have been RT3 all along, who knows. Well. If I got healthy by taking solely T4, is it even possible it could've been rT3 from my age of 13? > In my case I have some residual resistance I think, I am taking 150 of > T3 at the moment and doing well on it. Generally I ought to be hyper > on that dose but I am not. Scary. What if you suddenly get Hyper? THAT can be VERY dangerous? And what about me.. If I am taking a lot of T3 (let's say 100 mcgs daily) and remove my tonsils (cause/part reason for rT3 and AF?) and BOOM my rT3 goes away, and my T3 becomes stronger in me? > When I first went ontto Natural I had to get up to 6 grains spread out > before I felt well all day, again that implied some resistance before > the RT3 built up as a result of the amount of thyroid I needed to take > to feel well. That led to a vicious circle of more and more needed. > Going onto T3 only has broken that circle now and I am hoping to end > up on a steady dose, it may well be different in the winter to the > summer but apart from that should be stable. Vicious circle. I get it. That is wicked. I am glad you solved that problem! rT3 it was, indeed. Did you see the rT3 in the blood and did you do the ratios etc? And what is your ratio like now? > >Then there's rT3 which just added to my already bad situtation. > > > > Yep My ratio was at 14.9 last time I checked it about 2 weeks ago. I will just check my FT3/FT4/TSH/rT3 regularly like I always do. Once a month or so. > >When do you recommend me checking my rT3 level again? > > I don't to be honest. If you get onto enough T3 to suppress your own > T4 production it WILL drop, there is nothing left for it to be made > from and as you excrete/metabolise the remaining RT3 no more is >made. > > It takes a lot longer for receptors to clear than serum so a clear > blood result means nothing. So I won't need to check rT3? Hmmm... Blood samples can be a backup, but will never rule over symptoms. That's for sure! BTW: Feel a bit clearer in my head today on my second day of T3-only. Is this normal? (I agree it's a Good thing though). My heart still feels weird. Skipping beats, feels like somebody is squeezing my heart every now and then, and I have this bad feeling that my heart can just stop. It might be physical but it is also my mental state telling me I'm not healthy and I know I take too little T3-meds! HOWEVER, there is one basic thing I always wanted to know, but docs have always failed when trying to tell me this: > >And how often > >would it be wise to check FT3/FT4/TSH? Will FT3 get high when I am > >taking a lot of it? > > To be honest until the T4 level has sunk down to nothing you are not > going to be on a stable dose so you will be taking snap shots of > moving targets. And when my T4 gets lower, cause I don't take any T4-meds, my Thyroid gland will produce its own T4. My gland is seemingly working perfectly, so it will be a normal amount of T4. Can it start to produce T4 LATER if I take a high dose of T3 daily, and one day decide to stop taking all meds? Let's say it's REALLY high calcium in my cells that prevent the hormones to reach into them.......... Then I would want to stop taking all meds and reduce calcium, and finally be NON-HYPOTHYROID. It's just one of my many theories. www.calciumlie.com > Provided you are able to dose well enough by symptoms to feel well > then you may as well save your money and have bloods tested in 4 > months when you are on a stable dose Blood tests are free here... All of them. rT3 as well. I can test it as often as I want to. Whenever I want to. > Having said that if you can't find the right dose then bloods can > guide you where you need to go, if you are near then you don't need > them Exactly! > >I got atrial fibrillation at 40 mcg T3. But I didn't take HC back then, > >so... > > What I thought the other day, the Afib was an adrenal symptom, not a > thyroid one, The FT3 would have been lower if the cortisol had let it > in the cells And I was reading about atrial fibrillation. Seems like it COULD have been ventricular fibrillation instead. It felt like my heart did not beat for 20 minutes. I did NOT pass out. Luckily. But it was just SHAKING. It was SO scary. And it felt like someone was poking inside my heart with a huge feather. The most ticklish feeling EVER. It was HORRIBLE. High FT3 cause of low cortisol sounds plausible. And with all that stress, too. However, no blood or saliva samples proved low cortisol in the whole following year. Only 1 1/2 years after the fib, low cortisol was proven with a saliva test analyzed in the USA. Weird? What if I really just took too much meds. 100 mcg T4, 40 mcg T3. Woul this have happened if I just would have stayed on 125 mcg T4 forever? Who knows. Just took my second dose of HC, 7.5 mg, and my hands are still shaking, or moving in a jagged way, if you get what I mean... Could it be just low T3 in the cells, or even DIABETES? My diabetes check up from September with my old specialist (who gave me the Hypo diagnose based on symptoms in 1997 and saved my life that time!) : Insulin 206* (18 - 173 pmol/L) C-Peptid 1414* (370 - 1470 pmol/L) This test was taken 2 hours after my breakfast. It's way too high for being 2 hours after a meal. Even 3 hours I think. Maybe I am becoming diabetic? Hydrocortison can also make people diabetic. Right? Maybe I need to check my acidity asap so I don't get that diabetic acidic ketose/shock thing? > >However, my Ferritin was at 166, so it wasn't the Ferritin > >causing problems back then (January 2008). > > > As another poster said, inflammation can cause a false reading on > ferritin. It may also be that the hypo has lowered the ferritin (see > STTM link) Hypo can have lowered it. OR eating gluten free. Or both. > >So the atrial fibrillation was kind of the start of all this mess, > >with total removal of my T3-med. And feeling worse and worse after > >that, being on T4-only up til this summer. > > All caused by low cortisol, it looks like that was the first step I definitely felt worse being on T4-only, and INCREASING the T4 dose to 150 mcg daily. Just HORRIBLE. The pressure in the head was THE WORST. Lasted for 8 months til we went down on the T4 dose... Then it went away! > My net connection is up and down so I may not be able to respond to > posts before tomorrow Thanks Nick. Means a lot to me that you're helping me out! T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 >But I feel weird, weak, and I'm shaking, especially my hands. And >more when I move my arms/hands than when I hold them still. Hypoglycemia??? That can be a low cortisol symptom. What's temperature and pulse doing??? Does salted water help Does a stress dose of HC help?? You could increase HC again and see what happens. Vel thought more might be needed Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well. I have NEVER been shaking like this before, even before I started taking HC in June. After I took my second dose of 7.5 mg today, that shaking went on. Didn't help to eat, either. The first time this shaking appeared was on the 13/12/2009 (good " lucky " -date, huh!) after I raised to 22.5 mg HC daily on 10/12/2009. So, three days with shaking. A little on and off. I changed from ERFA Thyroid to 10 mcg T3 yesterday, on 14/12/2009. Sooo... WHY do I get this shaking? It happened before I changed to T3-only, so it can't be that. It can be a coincidence; Just low T3 in my cells. It could also be ACTH shutting down (right?) thus giving me lower cortisol because my own prodution goes down/stops. THEN 22.5 mg of HC will be too little. Have I learned this correctly? You and Val have been my grandmasters. I know I am a novice, so... Bare with me! I could also just have too MUCH HC.. Like, if I'm one of the FEW persons who just don't tolerate HC as a med, and as a result, I am not Cushings. Can you shake if you have Cushings/high cortisol? I probably had high cortisol and high adrenaline when I got that issue with my heart in January 2008; The ventricular fibrillation or atrial fibrillation. I don't want to get it again. Hope taking more HC won't make that happen! I am also worried about increasing T3 because of the heart issue. PS! I write a diary of stuff that happens every day. I mainly write about the bad, but also about new GOOD things, changes, that appears. With dates. Also doses of every med I take. It's easy to go back in time and find details of things this way! Hypoglymecia: Not sure - But eating didn't help Pulse: 75 - Just staying regular Temp: 36.9 - Just being ideal Salted water: I drink one glass when I wake up, and one later in the day - So my sodium can't be too low, can it? Stress dose of HC: I took my second dose 1 hour after the shaking started - No changes. T. > > >But I feel weird, weak, and I'm shaking, especially my hands. And > >more when I move my arms/hands than when I hold them still. > > Hypoglycemia??? > > That can be a low cortisol symptom. > > What's temperature and pulse doing??? > > Does salted water help > > Does a stress dose of HC help?? > > You could increase HC again and see what happens. Vel thought more > might be needed > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Shaking is usually lwo cortiosl. Most men need abotu 35mg HC to start with to rebuild reaserves,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Valeria! Welcome back! How was your little time off? Thanks for your reply! Yeah. I am really getting that now. So I am increasing my dose, well, today. I just took a 2.5 mg stress-dose, and I would like to believe it helped. But it didn't help a lot. Still shaking. The shaking has been with me all thru the day, but increased after I went nuts with the dog. I had a little rage 30 minutes ago. And guess who's getting punishment? ME. Not the dog. Typical. Stupid humans, huh. Anyway... My hands were shaking quite a bit til I took that 2.5 mg dose. Now they're back to " normal " shaking. Val, can you confirm what you said earlier, something about increasing HC too slowly can shut down ACTH cause it notices the increase, thus giving me lower cortisol Because I increased it with just 2.5 mg? I am now on my 5th day with 22.5 mg. Well 25.0 with that stress-dose. How often do people stress-dose? ONLY when they get symptoms on low cortisol, or is it recommended stress-dosing when you KNOW you body will react to it - trying to beat the low cortisol before it happens so to say?! My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this a low cortisol or HC symptom? T. PS! The plan is to up with 5 mcg T3 to a daily total of 15 mcg in a few days. I am worried though - Last time I took 40 mcg T3 I got that fibrillation of some sort. Trying to convince my brain that I now am quite safe, cause of HC... But it's hard to believe it! > > Shaking is usually lwo cortiosl. Most men need abotu 35mg HC to start > with to rebuild reaserves,. > > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Btw, now that I am on T3-only, and take 5 mcg at 10 am and the next 5 mcg at 2 pm... Won't the body be Starving for more T3 at 5-6 pm and into the evening? Pressure on the chest is back, right NOW. Dang.. Last time it lasted for 20 hours, ecxatly. EKG was fine, with some electrical bad wiring though. But it was " within the normal " . Pulse atm: 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Btw, now that I am on T3-only, and take 5 mcg at 10 am and the next 5 mcg at 2 pm... Won't the body be Starving for more T3 at 5-6 pm and into the evening? Pressure on the chest is back, right NOW. Dang.. Last time it lasted for 20 hours, ecxatly. EKG was fine, with some electrical bad wiring though. But it was " within the normal " . Pulse atm: 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I know this will sound weird but.. How often can I eat 2 maki roll pieces with a small dip of glutenfree soy? Once a year? Once a month? One of my favorite foods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I know this will sound weird but.. How often can I eat 2 maki roll pieces with a small dip of glutenfree soy? Once a year? Once a month? One of my favorite foods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I know this will sound weird but.. How often can I eat 2 maki roll pieces with a small dip of glutenfree soy? Once a year? Once a month? One of my favorite foods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this >a low cortisol or HC symptom? Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site?? >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low. > >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it kicks in when you have low cortisol. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well.. Except that my temp is not low and I don't feel hot these days. However, I had problems with heat all through 2008 and especially in the summertime. I was like... It was horrible! Maybe I feel better now because I am on HC! My fingers did start to sweat after I took HC also, so.. I don't know! Sweating fingers - It's a new one for me! Since last year. The " heart beats hard " thing is something I've felt more and more this year. So I am definitely low thyroid on the cellular level. I like your site, Nick! I read something off of it every day. I should read the whole thing over and over now to try to remember everything! Sadly my memory has gone a little off whack in these past two years. For quite obvious reasons. > > >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've > >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess > >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can > >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this > >a low cortisol or HC symptom? > > Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site?? > > >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low. > > > >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it kicks in when you have low cortisol. > > Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well.. Except that my temp is not low and I don't feel hot these days. However, I had problems with heat all through 2008 and especially in the summertime. I was like... It was horrible! Maybe I feel better now because I am on HC! My fingers did start to sweat after I took HC also, so.. I don't know! Sweating fingers - It's a new one for me! Since last year. The " heart beats hard " thing is something I've felt more and more this year. So I am definitely low thyroid on the cellular level. I like your site, Nick! I read something off of it every day. I should read the whole thing over and over now to try to remember everything! Sadly my memory has gone a little off whack in these past two years. For quite obvious reasons. > > >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've > >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess > >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can > >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this > >a low cortisol or HC symptom? > > Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site?? > > >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low. > > > >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it kicks in when you have low cortisol. > > Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well.. Except that my temp is not low and I don't feel hot these days. However, I had problems with heat all through 2008 and especially in the summertime. I was like... It was horrible! Maybe I feel better now because I am on HC! My fingers did start to sweat after I took HC also, so.. I don't know! Sweating fingers - It's a new one for me! Since last year. The " heart beats hard " thing is something I've felt more and more this year. So I am definitely low thyroid on the cellular level. I like your site, Nick! I read something off of it every day. I should read the whole thing over and over now to try to remember everything! Sadly my memory has gone a little off whack in these past two years. For quite obvious reasons. > > >My fingertips also started sweating when I got the small fit. I've > >seen my fingertips sweat pretty often since this summer. I guess > >since I started taking HC. Like when I take a blood test, they can > >swet badly. Drops hanging down from my fingertips. WEIRD. Is this > >a low cortisol or HC symptom? > > Does it sound like this Q & A from the temperature page of the site?? > > >Q: So this topic highly interests me, especially because I also have the sensation of feeling hot and sweaty even though my temps are super low. > > > >A: The hot and sweaty feeling when your temp is low is due to adrenaline - it kicks in when you have low cortisol. > > Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well looks like I am at 25 mg daily now. My extra 2.5 mgs of " stress doses " are now turning into regular extras, so.. Yeah! 25. And after 3 days I can increase to maybe even Directly 30? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well looks like I am at 25 mg daily now. My extra 2.5 mgs of " stress doses " are now turning into regular extras, so.. Yeah! 25. And after 3 days I can increase to maybe even Directly 30? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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