Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Don't forget the kickback to the medical examiner for the body hauls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Don't forget the kickback to the medical examiner for the body hauls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 But the story indicated the outside service called requested permission from the permitted service to respond to a call in there area and was granted permission, right? Sure glad we don't have permitted cities around here, is it really in the best interest if the citizens? Jim< _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hatfield Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:14 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I'm not sure if it is, but I'm also not sure that it's in the citizens' best interest to have multiple fly-by-night private transfer services either. -Wes Ogilvie Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way. Wayne wrote: This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way. Wayne wrote: This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way. Wayne wrote: This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and open container. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, drakedunivan@... writes: what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign the ticket till the Supervisor should up, Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the " normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here is a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route) but my view is shaded. That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and open container. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, drakedunivan@... writes: what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign the ticket till the Supervisor should up, Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the " normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here is a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route) but my view is shaded. That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and open container. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, drakedunivan@... writes: what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign the ticket till the Supervisor should up, Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the " normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here is a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route) but my view is shaded. That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 AMEN!!!! Wayne D wrote: I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way. Wayne wrote: This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 AMEN!!!! Wayne D wrote: I think that the family should be sueing the City, the police officer and the police department. This officer sounds like he just wanted to make a point. Someone should beat the hell out of that officer, because the officer handled the situation in the wrong way. Wayne wrote: This is a short statement which we had to prepare for the local networks. Please keep in mind, yes we are not permitted in La Porte, but the ordinance was just created, and we have been working on it. However, we contacted La Porte police/fire/ems dispatch and told them what we were doing and we were CLEARED. At no time were we told to stop nor at no time did the La Porte dispatcher say they were sending an ambulance. Therefore we continued. We HAD a duty to act. The La Porte EMS supervisor refused to allow our medics to make patient contact as we all watched the family calling out for our help. It was more important that we signed his ticket. He could have followed us to the hospital. The truth will come out, all of our phone lines are recorded and the conversation between our dispatch and La Porte's dispatcher were recorded. We at Bay Star feel that patient care comes first (www.baystarems.com) in this incident it did not. The patient is the one who suffered. This is a statement to the networks. On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response. Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient. During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us. Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back. As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition. The patient is now listed in critical condition. . Owner Bay Star Ambulance Service Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I can think of a few around Houston. Houston, Galveston, Pasadena, LaPorte, Baytown, Austin, Fort Worth is a sole provider. ville, I'm certain there are others. Jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hatfield Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:14 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I can think of a few around Houston. Houston, Galveston, Pasadena, LaPorte, Baytown, Austin, Fort Worth is a sole provider. ville, I'm certain there are others. Jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hatfield Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:14 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I can think of a few around Houston. Houston, Galveston, Pasadena, LaPorte, Baytown, Austin, Fort Worth is a sole provider. ville, I'm certain there are others. Jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hatfield Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:14 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Lou, MANY Cities in Texas have what they call Certificates of Necessity, or permits...very common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Lou, MANY Cities in Texas have what they call Certificates of Necessity, or permits...very common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Lou, MANY Cities in Texas have what they call Certificates of Necessity, or permits...very common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not. We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits. (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would not be safe for our citizens. > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 We, as a City, have the right to " direct the public health of our citizens " and by rights, that means that we have the right to control who may come into our city to pick up our patients and who may not. We have a permitting process within our City, established by ordinance by the City Commission. Any provider may come into our City and request to be permitted and we are happy to do the inspections and permit the service. I don't believe we even charge for our permits. (I may be wrong so don't quote me on this yet) We are not after money, we are after properly stocked and manned EMS units treating our citizens. We can also ban certain departments or services from entering our city to pick up patients if we feel as though it would not be safe for our citizens. > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 There is no requirement in Texas law that a ticket (citation) be signed. Failure to do so is not an additional charge. When I was in LE we simply called another unit out (generally a Sergeant) to witness the issuance in the event a subject failed to sign the ticket. Of course, if the person became guilty of POP (pissing off the police); he generally received a free one way ticket to jail (his vehicle towed, etc). Additionally, a signature on a ticket is only a promise to appear in court on the charges specified (so it means absolutely nothing and a good officer knows that). I have to agree with Mike in that this probably could have (and IMHO should have) been dealt with at the administrative level. The officer could have sent the citation in the mail. Instead it appears there was a scene made in the presence of the general public. The medic could have taken the 1.5 seconds to sign the citation and ended this also. There was no need to wait for a supervisor if the officer was being belligerent. This citation could then have been set for trial before a jury and taken care of very easily. It’s hard to really say what should have been done or could have been done since all of the information we have is hearsay. We have absolutely no 1st hand account from this incident. We are all judging and arm chair quarterbacking based on a news article (or course it must be 100% correct) and some injected comments from others on this list. Like many have already stated, there is more to this story than meets the eye. I would like to hear a copy of the aforementioned tape. I would love to hear the officer’s side, the medic’s, as well as any bystanders that were present. Let us, as fellow EMS and LE Professionals wait until all of the facts are present before we jump to conclusions and public floggings. Tater ExLngHrn@... wrote: Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and open container. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, drakedunivan@... writes: what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign the ticket till the Supervisor should up, Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the " normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here is a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route) but my view is shaded. That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 There is no requirement in Texas law that a ticket (citation) be signed. Failure to do so is not an additional charge. When I was in LE we simply called another unit out (generally a Sergeant) to witness the issuance in the event a subject failed to sign the ticket. Of course, if the person became guilty of POP (pissing off the police); he generally received a free one way ticket to jail (his vehicle towed, etc). Additionally, a signature on a ticket is only a promise to appear in court on the charges specified (so it means absolutely nothing and a good officer knows that). I have to agree with Mike in that this probably could have (and IMHO should have) been dealt with at the administrative level. The officer could have sent the citation in the mail. Instead it appears there was a scene made in the presence of the general public. The medic could have taken the 1.5 seconds to sign the citation and ended this also. There was no need to wait for a supervisor if the officer was being belligerent. This citation could then have been set for trial before a jury and taken care of very easily. It’s hard to really say what should have been done or could have been done since all of the information we have is hearsay. We have absolutely no 1st hand account from this incident. We are all judging and arm chair quarterbacking based on a news article (or course it must be 100% correct) and some injected comments from others on this list. Like many have already stated, there is more to this story than meets the eye. I would like to hear a copy of the aforementioned tape. I would love to hear the officer’s side, the medic’s, as well as any bystanders that were present. Let us, as fellow EMS and LE Professionals wait until all of the facts are present before we jump to conclusions and public floggings. Tater ExLngHrn@... wrote: Typically, under Texas law, a ticket is a courtesy. An officer may make a custody arrest (i.e. a trip to jail) for any Class C offense except speeding and open container. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In a message dated 12/28/2005 10:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, drakedunivan@... writes: what I heard was the Paramedic that was arrested basically refused to sign the ticket till the Supervisor should up, Next legal question. If I refuse to sign said ticket what would be the " normal " course of action for the LEO? Is refusing to sign what I'm seeing here is a ticket for an offence by definition " resisting " ? To me as both a street level EMS provider and as a Supervisor I can see the actions of the street medic as appropriate and not unreasonable (assuming the Supervisor is en route) but my view is shaded. That and by the end of the week we will hear 20 versions if not 50. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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