Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 As one who plays both sides of the fence, I can understand what's going on in the provider's minds, and in the cops minds. Needless to say, enforcing permitting requirements against street medics seems pointless. Are the street medics the ones personally responsible for obtaining individual permits? If not, why not get their information and cite the company via mail? That's a legal option in Texas. OTOH, getting belligerent with a police officer who's probably been ordered to " make a point " with these " unpermitted medics " wasn't a happy choice, either. There's arguements around whether or not this involved patient care, but I have to wonder how out-of-town EMS organizations are supposed to know whether every city they possibly respond to requires a separate permit. Mike > You mean a medic being arrested for responding to a call for help from a > citizen and being hassled while providing treatment. At least that's > how the story reads to me. I would remember that for a long time and > ask why the cops were interfering with a medic doing what they are > called to do. It seems the issue needed to be taken up with the > management of the EMS outfit in question than with the street medics. > That might be what is remembered by the folks of that neighborhood. I > would not have signed that citation either. If I'm dispatched to a > location, then I would assume that is someplace I'm supposed to be, and > I too would refer the cops to my supervisor and continue to treat > whomever called on us. Of course many of the cops I know would take > offense at their orders being ignored. The medic in the story might > have handled things better, but I thing the officers might have done the > same. If I were a citizen there, I would be asking some hard questions > of city officials. > > > > Crosby > > EMT-B > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [mailto: ] On > Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@... > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:28 AM > To: > Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > > > > Lovely. One step forward, three steps back. Doesn't really matter what > is truth and what isn't...it will take a lot of time to heal from the > wounds this one article inflicts on our profession...in these > neighborhoods. Ouch. > > Dudley > > Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > > > Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > > > By > <http://www.baytownsun.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=e1294085d816e50d038c7ada0b > 6d35 > fbf41ee6bc07dda007d0b813fdd15363e1> Austin Kinghorn > Baytown Sun > > > > Published December 29, 2005 - Updated 25 minutes ago > > A medic with Baytown-based Baystar EMS was arrested for disorderly > conduct > after responding to a call in La Porte on Wednesday. > > La Porte police say the medic became belligerent and resisted arrest > when > Baystar was issued a citation for operating in the city without a > permit, > but the owner of Baystar claims police used excessive force in > unnecessarily > arresting the medic. > > Baystar owner said the medic, iel Jung, refused to > sign > the citation until his supervisor arrived. Jung has officially been > charged > with resisting arrest. > > " He never resisted, " said. " He had hands by his side and the > officer > came up and grabbed him in the back of the neck and took him down. " > > Baystar was receiving a citation under a La Porte city ordinance passed > last > year that requires private ambulance operators to attain a city permit. > > La Porte EMS chief Ray Nolen said the permits are required to ensure > private > ambulance medics are properly trained, have proper equipment and > understand > emergency policies in the city. > > Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. > > " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our > inspectors to > start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. > > Enforcement of the new ordinance had been relaxed until the city began a > new > permit cycle on Oct. 1, Nolen said. > > said the ambulance was responding to a call from a La Porte > resident > who was having trouble breathing. Baystar notified La Porte EMS and was > cleared to respond to the call, said. > > " He was just there to help the patient and that's all, " said. > " There > was nothing for them to take him down. " > > But La Porte police say Jung became combative and used abusive language > and > stood in the road after Baystar was issued the citation. > > " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police > Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He > wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in > front of all those people is not necessary. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > call. Case law requires an actual " act in furtherance of " to get resisting. Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official duties? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > call. Case law requires an actual " act in furtherance of " to get resisting. Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official duties? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > call. Case law requires an actual " act in furtherance of " to get resisting. Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official duties? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:41:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: Let us, as fellow EMS and LE Professionals wait until all of the facts are present before we jump to conclusions and public floggings. Ah but that would be uncharacteristic of many of us Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:41:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: Let us, as fellow EMS and LE Professionals wait until all of the facts are present before we jump to conclusions and public floggings. Ah but that would be uncharacteristic of many of us Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:51:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, bbledsoe@... writes: I'll settle this once and for all: Is that not how they do it in rural Alaska? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:51:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, bbledsoe@... writes: I'll settle this once and for all: Is that not how they do it in rural Alaska? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 There's nothing in the story about being hassled while providing treatment. " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary. " This does not sound like any treatment that I'm aware of. Understanding that this is a newspaper clipping, we don't have the full facts as they occurred, we were not there. I'm certain that the legal system along with DSHS will determine what the facts are and take the appropriate actions if founded. It does not speak highly of the ambulance company management to knowingly send their employees into an area where they do not have the proper permits for operation. That's asking for trouble. IF they had the proper permit. this probably would not even be a story. " Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. " If you're cited in a company vehicle. do you sign the ticket or do you wait for a company representative? What about speeding?? Or a traffic accident?? You ARE the operator of the vehicle and you ARE responsible. Jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Crosby, E Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:16 AM To: Subject: RE: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte You mean a medic being arrested for responding to a call for help from a citizen and being hassled while providing treatment. At least that's how the story reads to me. I would remember that for a long time and ask why the cops were interfering with a medic doing what they are called to do. It seems the issue needed to be taken up with the management of the EMS outfit in question than with the street medics. That might be what is remembered by the folks of that neighborhood. I would not have signed that citation either. If I'm dispatched to a location, then I would assume that is someplace I'm supposed to be, and I too would refer the cops to my supervisor and continue to treat whomever called on us. Of course many of the cops I know would take offense at their orders being ignored. The medic in the story might have handled things better, but I thing the officers might have done the same. If I were a citizen there, I would be asking some hard questions of city officials. Crosby EMT-B ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@... Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:28 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Lovely. One step forward, three steps back. Doesn't really matter what is truth and what isn't...it will take a lot of time to heal from the wounds this one article inflicts on our profession...in these neighborhoods. Ouch. Dudley Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte By <http://www.baytownsun.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=e1294085d816e50d038c7ada0b 6d35 fbf41ee6bc07dda007d0b813fdd15363e1> Austin Kinghorn Baytown Sun Published December 29, 2005 - Updated 25 minutes ago A medic with Baytown-based Baystar EMS was arrested for disorderly conduct after responding to a call in La Porte on Wednesday. La Porte police say the medic became belligerent and resisted arrest when Baystar was issued a citation for operating in the city without a permit, but the owner of Baystar claims police used excessive force in unnecessarily arresting the medic. Baystar owner said the medic, iel Jung, refused to sign the citation until his supervisor arrived. Jung has officially been charged with resisting arrest. " He never resisted, " said. " He had hands by his side and the officer came up and grabbed him in the back of the neck and took him down. " Baystar was receiving a citation under a La Porte city ordinance passed last year that requires private ambulance operators to attain a city permit. La Porte EMS chief Ray Nolen said the permits are required to ensure private ambulance medics are properly trained, have proper equipment and understand emergency policies in the city. Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. Enforcement of the new ordinance had been relaxed until the city began a new permit cycle on Oct. 1, Nolen said. said the ambulance was responding to a call from a La Porte resident who was having trouble breathing. Baystar notified La Porte EMS and was cleared to respond to the call, said. " He was just there to help the patient and that's all, " said. " There was nothing for them to take him down. " But La Porte police say Jung became combative and used abusive language and stood in the road after Baystar was issued the citation. " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 There's nothing in the story about being hassled while providing treatment. " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary. " This does not sound like any treatment that I'm aware of. Understanding that this is a newspaper clipping, we don't have the full facts as they occurred, we were not there. I'm certain that the legal system along with DSHS will determine what the facts are and take the appropriate actions if founded. It does not speak highly of the ambulance company management to knowingly send their employees into an area where they do not have the proper permits for operation. That's asking for trouble. IF they had the proper permit. this probably would not even be a story. " Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. " If you're cited in a company vehicle. do you sign the ticket or do you wait for a company representative? What about speeding?? Or a traffic accident?? You ARE the operator of the vehicle and you ARE responsible. Jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Crosby, E Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:16 AM To: Subject: RE: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte You mean a medic being arrested for responding to a call for help from a citizen and being hassled while providing treatment. At least that's how the story reads to me. I would remember that for a long time and ask why the cops were interfering with a medic doing what they are called to do. It seems the issue needed to be taken up with the management of the EMS outfit in question than with the street medics. That might be what is remembered by the folks of that neighborhood. I would not have signed that citation either. If I'm dispatched to a location, then I would assume that is someplace I'm supposed to be, and I too would refer the cops to my supervisor and continue to treat whomever called on us. Of course many of the cops I know would take offense at their orders being ignored. The medic in the story might have handled things better, but I thing the officers might have done the same. If I were a citizen there, I would be asking some hard questions of city officials. Crosby EMT-B ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@... Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:28 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Lovely. One step forward, three steps back. Doesn't really matter what is truth and what isn't...it will take a lot of time to heal from the wounds this one article inflicts on our profession...in these neighborhoods. Ouch. Dudley Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte By <http://www.baytownsun.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=e1294085d816e50d038c7ada0b 6d35 fbf41ee6bc07dda007d0b813fdd15363e1> Austin Kinghorn Baytown Sun Published December 29, 2005 - Updated 25 minutes ago A medic with Baytown-based Baystar EMS was arrested for disorderly conduct after responding to a call in La Porte on Wednesday. La Porte police say the medic became belligerent and resisted arrest when Baystar was issued a citation for operating in the city without a permit, but the owner of Baystar claims police used excessive force in unnecessarily arresting the medic. Baystar owner said the medic, iel Jung, refused to sign the citation until his supervisor arrived. Jung has officially been charged with resisting arrest. " He never resisted, " said. " He had hands by his side and the officer came up and grabbed him in the back of the neck and took him down. " Baystar was receiving a citation under a La Porte city ordinance passed last year that requires private ambulance operators to attain a city permit. La Porte EMS chief Ray Nolen said the permits are required to ensure private ambulance medics are properly trained, have proper equipment and understand emergency policies in the city. Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. Enforcement of the new ordinance had been relaxed until the city began a new permit cycle on Oct. 1, Nolen said. said the ambulance was responding to a call from a La Porte resident who was having trouble breathing. Baystar notified La Porte EMS and was cleared to respond to the call, said. " He was just there to help the patient and that's all, " said. " There was nothing for them to take him down. " But La Porte police say Jung became combative and used abusive language and stood in the road after Baystar was issued the citation. " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 There's nothing in the story about being hassled while providing treatment. " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary. " This does not sound like any treatment that I'm aware of. Understanding that this is a newspaper clipping, we don't have the full facts as they occurred, we were not there. I'm certain that the legal system along with DSHS will determine what the facts are and take the appropriate actions if founded. It does not speak highly of the ambulance company management to knowingly send their employees into an area where they do not have the proper permits for operation. That's asking for trouble. IF they had the proper permit. this probably would not even be a story. " Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. " If you're cited in a company vehicle. do you sign the ticket or do you wait for a company representative? What about speeding?? Or a traffic accident?? You ARE the operator of the vehicle and you ARE responsible. Jack _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Crosby, E Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:16 AM To: Subject: RE: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte You mean a medic being arrested for responding to a call for help from a citizen and being hassled while providing treatment. At least that's how the story reads to me. I would remember that for a long time and ask why the cops were interfering with a medic doing what they are called to do. It seems the issue needed to be taken up with the management of the EMS outfit in question than with the street medics. That might be what is remembered by the folks of that neighborhood. I would not have signed that citation either. If I'm dispatched to a location, then I would assume that is someplace I'm supposed to be, and I too would refer the cops to my supervisor and continue to treat whomever called on us. Of course many of the cops I know would take offense at their orders being ignored. The medic in the story might have handled things better, but I thing the officers might have done the same. If I were a citizen there, I would be asking some hard questions of city officials. Crosby EMT-B ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@... Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:28 AM To: Subject: Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Lovely. One step forward, three steps back. Doesn't really matter what is truth and what isn't...it will take a lot of time to heal from the wounds this one article inflicts on our profession...in these neighborhoods. Ouch. Dudley Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte By <http://www.baytownsun.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=e1294085d816e50d038c7ada0b 6d35 fbf41ee6bc07dda007d0b813fdd15363e1> Austin Kinghorn Baytown Sun Published December 29, 2005 - Updated 25 minutes ago A medic with Baytown-based Baystar EMS was arrested for disorderly conduct after responding to a call in La Porte on Wednesday. La Porte police say the medic became belligerent and resisted arrest when Baystar was issued a citation for operating in the city without a permit, but the owner of Baystar claims police used excessive force in unnecessarily arresting the medic. Baystar owner said the medic, iel Jung, refused to sign the citation until his supervisor arrived. Jung has officially been charged with resisting arrest. " He never resisted, " said. " He had hands by his side and the officer came up and grabbed him in the back of the neck and took him down. " Baystar was receiving a citation under a La Porte city ordinance passed last year that requires private ambulance operators to attain a city permit. La Porte EMS chief Ray Nolen said the permits are required to ensure private ambulance medics are properly trained, have proper equipment and understand emergency policies in the city. Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit. " It's my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through, " Nolen said. Enforcement of the new ordinance had been relaxed until the city began a new permit cycle on Oct. 1, Nolen said. said the ambulance was responding to a call from a La Porte resident who was having trouble breathing. Baystar notified La Porte EMS and was cleared to respond to the call, said. " He was just there to help the patient and that's all, " said. " There was nothing for them to take him down. " But La Porte police say Jung became combative and used abusive language and stood in the road after Baystar was issued the citation. " On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing, " said La Porte police Chief Reff. " The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn't interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hatfield wrote: How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate insidet heir limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi ... 10.00 per year. In the Houston Metro area, these are the ones I am aware of (both individual and service). THere are more, I am sure... Houston: $40.00 for individual (up 20 over the last year) plus they boosted the fees per service, and per unit operated. Pasadena, (unk), Pearland (unk), La Porte (unk), but all require permits for transports initiated in their city limits. There are both good and bad aspects, depending on your perspective. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hatfield wrote: How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate insidet heir limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi ... 10.00 per year. In the Houston Metro area, these are the ones I am aware of (both individual and service). THere are more, I am sure... Houston: $40.00 for individual (up 20 over the last year) plus they boosted the fees per service, and per unit operated. Pasadena, (unk), Pearland (unk), La Porte (unk), but all require permits for transports initiated in their city limits. There are both good and bad aspects, depending on your perspective. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hatfield wrote: How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate insidet heir limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi ... 10.00 per year. In the Houston Metro area, these are the ones I am aware of (both individual and service). THere are more, I am sure... Houston: $40.00 for individual (up 20 over the last year) plus they boosted the fees per service, and per unit operated. Pasadena, (unk), Pearland (unk), La Porte (unk), but all require permits for transports initiated in their city limits. There are both good and bad aspects, depending on your perspective. " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Resisting arrest can be VERY widely interpreted. If a Police officer puts his hands on you for ANY reason and you move away, you are now resisting. Dirt bag police officers use this extreme power to take away someone's freedom just because the other person does not bow down to them. Cops always say " you may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride " I believe this officer who made a poor choice to arrest a medical professional, he may never know who would be standing over him while he's lying flat on his back shot or injured. I hope the Baystar people fight for this employee as it appears that this charge is b.s. troy beasley Hatfield wrote: In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Resisting arrest can be VERY widely interpreted. If a Police officer puts his hands on you for ANY reason and you move away, you are now resisting. Dirt bag police officers use this extreme power to take away someone's freedom just because the other person does not bow down to them. Cops always say " you may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride " I believe this officer who made a poor choice to arrest a medical professional, he may never know who would be standing over him while he's lying flat on his back shot or injured. I hope the Baystar people fight for this employee as it appears that this charge is b.s. troy beasley Hatfield wrote: In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Resisting arrest can be VERY widely interpreted. If a Police officer puts his hands on you for ANY reason and you move away, you are now resisting. Dirt bag police officers use this extreme power to take away someone's freedom just because the other person does not bow down to them. Cops always say " you may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride " I believe this officer who made a poor choice to arrest a medical professional, he may never know who would be standing over him while he's lying flat on his back shot or injured. I hope the Baystar people fight for this employee as it appears that this charge is b.s. troy beasley Hatfield wrote: In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Heck, here in Austin, transfer services have to apply to Austin EMS for permission to operate within the city limits. -Wes Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Heck, here in Austin, transfer services have to apply to Austin EMS for permission to operate within the city limits. -Wes Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > call. > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > resisting. > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > duties? > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Correction: Initiate transport in the city limits. Mike > Heck, here in Austin, transfer services have to apply to Austin EMS for permission to operate within the city limits. > > -Wes > > Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > > > In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three > sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. > > The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that > make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. > > How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside > their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at > least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate > inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. > > Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > > > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Correction: Initiate transport in the city limits. Mike > Heck, here in Austin, transfer services have to apply to Austin EMS for permission to operate within the city limits. > > -Wes > > Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > > > In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three > sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. > > The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that > make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. > > How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside > their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at > least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate > inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. > > Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > > > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Correction: Initiate transport in the city limits. Mike > Heck, here in Austin, transfer services have to apply to Austin EMS for permission to operate within the city limits. > > -Wes > > Re: Baystar medic arrested at scene in La Porte > > > In her infinitely motherly wisdom, my mother always said there were three > sides to every story, mine, yours, and what really happened. > > The media is not known for reporting ALL the facts, only the ones that > make interesting reading. Curious how this one will turn out. > > How many cities actually require services to get permits to operate inside > their limits still? I can think of a couple. Corpus Christi still, or at > least did not long ago, make the medics themselves get a permit to operate > inside the city limits. 10.00 per year. > > Hatfield FF/EMT-P > > > > > > > the citation. The PD garbed his arm and he jerked > > > away, then PD preceeded to take him down to the ground > > > for resisting arrest ... after that I didn't hear the > > > rest of the story becuase I was dispatched to another > > > call. > > > > Case law requires an actual & quot;act in furtherance of & quot; to get > > resisting. > > Maybe they actually charged him with interference with official > > duties? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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