Fasting

November 2, 2005

Hi Joe,

On a lighter note to my previous posting, but not wanting to get

religious :-) .... I was intrigued to read that someone with an

English name did Ramadan, etc. because my eldest sister and her son

(and his daughter; and now his Moroccan wife) do Ramadan, etc., as

well. Just thought it was interesting. :-)

Take good care :-)

Fran

January 6, 2006

Stupid links. They never work when they are so long.

If you go to the files section, under Healing Therapies, you will

see a file called " rash.jpg "

It's there. I feel quite certain that if I had not fasted to get

the toxins moving out of me, that I might not have healed as well as

I did. It's just amazing to me that this rash developed and in the

place that it did. I no longer ever get that rash when I fast. That

is all the proof that I needed that my implants had left toxic waste

inside of me.

Patty

>

> Here is a link to the picture of my rash when on a fast. By the

way,

> this rash happened more than 18 months post explant! (Those toxins

> hung around for a long time until I started fasting to move them

> out.)

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/0Eq_Q6bAJMFvBlpvlUj6ujrko4kOqnQwFg3JJ8vN

> jPF2gOHKo4z7WR0bXaXYigZIM6_2R8vWO7JFNoL8v0wj/Healing%

> 20Therapies/rash.jpg

April 3, 2006

Good Morning ,

That's wonderful that you've been inspired to do a fast for both

physcial and spiritual reasons.

I have done quite a bit of reading about fasting, and my suggestion

is that if you are going to do a water only fast, then you would

avoid all supplements, including the supplements that would do the

work of cleaning you out.

The reason is that you are basically allowing your digestive system

to take a rest. While it is resting, your body will then do work to

clean out other parts of your bodily systems that never have a

chance to clean out. Your eyes will shine brighter, your steps will

be bouncier as your energy levels increase, your head will be

clearer in thinking, your skin will be clearer, which will be

evidence that your body has been able to do some deep cleaning.

It's a good thing!

By adding in even a supplement, you are not allowing your body to

get into that total resting state with digestion.

There are other kinds of fasts which do allow some colon cleansing

supplements, such as psyllium seed husks, but that is a different

approach, and I would suggest reading some books about it. Dr.

Bernard Jensens book about bowel management has such a program.

If you want to do a water only fast, I can share a few links to help

you study this. I also believe that a water only fast is biblical,

as it allows you to totally focus on hearing God's Word to you.

I am sure you have heard of Dr. Bill Bright and Campus Crusade for

Christ....he has a great website about fasting. He will walk you

through it. It is important to start a fast properly (by eating

basically raw foods for a day or two before the fast), but it is

even more important to end the fast correctly. This means breaking

into eating again slowly, with first high-water content fruits or

vegetables such as watermelon or oranges, or steamed zucchini or a

vegetable broth.

http://www.billbright.com/howtofast/index.html

I'll be fasting again soon too!

Love,

Patty

>

> Good Morning Ladies,

>

> In the service in church this weekend, the minister spoke of

fasing in the Old Testiment. Please excuse me for being vague, my

brain hasn't fully woke up yet today. Anyway, I am thinking of

doing a three day, water fast. Then add juicing after that for

another three days. I think this would be good for me both

spiritually and physically. I have only done the partial day

fasting in the Maker's diet, so of course I have some questions.

During the fast do I still take suppliments and my super seed? I am

assuming the super food is out of the question since it is a food.

I think the super seed would still be beneficial to fully clean me

out, right? I am going to do this next week. My kids are home this

week for spring break and making stuff for them is too much

temptation. Any imput on how to execute a successful fast would be

great.

>

> Thanks,

>

> L

>

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April 3, 2006

Patty,

Dieting slows your metabolism, what does fasting do???????

Always wondered about that.

Lynda

At 08:25 AM 4/3/2006, you wrote:

>Good Morning ,

>That's wonderful that you've been inspired to do a fast for both

>physcial and spiritual reasons.

>

>I have done quite a bit of reading about fasting, and my suggestion

>is that if you are going to do a water only fast, then you would

>avoid all supplements, including the supplements that would do the

>work of cleaning you out.

>

>The reason is that you are basically allowing your digestive system

>to take a rest. While it is resting, your body will then do work to

>clean out other parts of your bodily systems that never have a

>chance to clean out. Your eyes will shine brighter, your steps will

>be bouncier as your energy levels increase, your head will be

>clearer in thinking, your skin will be clearer, which will be

>evidence that your body has been able to do some deep cleaning.

>

>It's a good thing!

>

>By adding in even a supplement, you are not allowing your body to

>get into that total resting state with digestion.

>

>There are other kinds of fasts which do allow some colon cleansing

>supplements, such as psyllium seed husks, but that is a different

>approach, and I would suggest reading some books about it. Dr.

>Bernard Jensens book about bowel management has such a program.

>

>If you want to do a water only fast, I can share a few links to help

>you study this. I also believe that a water only fast is biblical,

>as it allows you to totally focus on hearing God's Word to you.

>

>I am sure you have heard of Dr. Bill Bright and Campus Crusade for

>Christ....he has a great website about fasting. He will walk you

>through it. It is important to start a fast properly (by eating

>basically raw foods for a day or two before the fast), but it is

>even more important to end the fast correctly. This means breaking

>into eating again slowly, with first high-water content fruits or

>vegetables such as watermelon or oranges, or steamed zucchini or a

>vegetable broth.

>

><http://www.billbright.com/howtofast/index.html>http://www.billbright.com/howto\

fast/index.html

>

>I'll be fasting again soon too!

>Love,

>Patty

>

> >

> > Good Morning Ladies,

> >

> > In the service in church this weekend, the minister spoke of

>fasing in the Old Testiment. Please excuse me for being vague, my

>brain hasn't fully woke up yet today. Anyway, I am thinking of

>doing a three day, water fast. Then add juicing after that for

>another three days. I think this would be good for me both

>spiritually and physically. I have only done the partial day

>fasting in the Maker's diet, so of course I have some questions.

>During the fast do I still take suppliments and my super seed? I am

>assuming the super food is out of the question since it is a food.

>I think the super seed would still be beneficial to fully clean me

>out, right? I am going to do this next week. My kids are home this

>week for spring break and making stuff for them is too much

>temptation. Any imput on how to execute a successful fast would be

>great.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > L

> >

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April 3, 2006

Fasting also slows your metabolism, but you can mediate that with

appropriate exercise.

In the long term, a slower metabolism should not necessarily be

looked upon as a bad thing.

While controversial, it is thought that biologically a slower

metabolism can contribute to longevity. This ws a theory based upon

some studies which can be investigated on the internet.

I don't have alot of time to find supporting links, but here is one:

http://www.sadkhin.com/tips10.htm (see #4)

Patty

> > >

> > > Good Morning Ladies,

> > >

> > > In the service in church this weekend, the minister spoke of

> >fasing in the Old Testiment. Please excuse me for being vague, my

> >brain hasn't fully woke up yet today. Anyway, I am thinking of

> >doing a three day, water fast. Then add juicing after that for

> >another three days. I think this would be good for me both

> >spiritually and physically. I have only done the partial day

> >fasting in the Maker's diet, so of course I have some questions.

> >During the fast do I still take suppliments and my super seed? I

am

> >assuming the super food is out of the question since it is a food.

> >I think the super seed would still be beneficial to fully clean me

> >out, right? I am going to do this next week. My kids are home

this

> >week for spring break and making stuff for them is too much

> >temptation. Any imput on how to execute a successful fast would

be

> >great.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > L

> > >

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> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

(1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

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April 3, 2006

http://www.fasting.com/solution.html

> >

> > Patty,

> >

> > Dieting slows your metabolism, what does fasting do???????

> >

> > Always wondered about that.

> >

> > Lynda

>

April 3, 2006

Thanks Patty, I appreciate your wisdom. Looks like I need to make sure I have more info before I start my fast. I will definatly read up on it before I start. Lglory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Good Morning ,That's wonderful that you've been inspired to do a fast for both physcial and spiritual reasons. I have done quite a bit of reading about fasting, and my suggestion is that if you are going to do a water only fast, then you would avoid all supplements, including the supplements that would do the work of cleaning you out. The reason is that you are basically allowing your digestive system to take a rest. While it is resting, your body will then do work to clean out

other parts of your bodily systems that never have a chance to clean out. Your eyes will shine brighter, your steps will be bouncier as your energy levels increase, your head will be clearer in thinking, your skin will be clearer, which will be evidence that your body has been able to do some deep cleaning.It's a good thing!By adding in even a supplement, you are not allowing your body to get into that total resting state with digestion.There are other kinds of fasts which do allow some colon cleansing supplements, such as psyllium seed husks, but that is a different approach, and I would suggest reading some books about it. Dr. Bernard Jensens book about bowel management has such a program.If you want to do a water only fast, I can share a few links to help you study this. I also believe that a water only fast is biblical, as it allows you to totally focus on hearing God's Word to

you.I am sure you have heard of Dr. Bill Bright and Campus Crusade for Christ....he has a great website about fasting. He will walk you through it. It is important to start a fast properly (by eating basically raw foods for a day or two before the fast), but it is even more important to end the fast correctly. This means breaking into eating again slowly, with first high-water content fruits or vegetables such as watermelon or oranges, or steamed zucchini or a vegetable broth. http://www.billbright.com/howtofast/index.htmlI'll be fasting again soon too!Love,Patty>> Good Morning Ladies,> > In the service in church this weekend, the minister spoke of fasing in the Old

Testiment. Please excuse me for being vague, my brain hasn't fully woke up yet today. Anyway, I am thinking of doing a three day, water fast. Then add juicing after that for another three days. I think this would be good for me both spiritually and physically. I have only done the partial day fasting in the Maker's diet, so of course I have some questions. During the fast do I still take suppliments and my super seed? I am assuming the super food is out of the question since it is a food. I think the super seed would still be beneficial to fully clean me out, right? I am going to do this next week. My kids are home this week for spring break and making stuff for them is too much temptation. Any imput on how to execute a successful fast would be great.> > Thanks,> >

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April 5, 2006

,

Let us know when you decide to do a fast, and how it goes for you.

For me, fasting is definitely more of a mental challenge than a

physcial one. I don't feel hungry on a fast past the first day. I

actually feel energized, and don't even want to eat because

sometimes eating makes me feel lethargic.

So, it becomes a test of willpower more than anything. What I tell

myself to remain successful in fasting is that the food will be

there when I am done...that we have always had lots of food

available, and it will be there in a few days. I just can't have it

now, NOT NOW. But it will be there.

This has helped me tremendously to overcome those urges to break the

fast.

I will have to do another fast soon too. My parents are here, and

that makes it a little harder, but I'll do it with you if you need a

fasting partner for support. Just let me know!

Hugs,

Patty

>

> Thanks Patty,

>

> I appreciate your wisdom. Looks like I need to make sure I have

more info before I start my fast. I will definatly read up on it

before I start.

>

> L

April 6, 2006

Thanks for the offer to partner with me Patty, I just got home from visiting my mother and sister. It is so hard for them to understand my quest for a healthier lifestyle. My sister is better at it than my mom. My mom has been alwyas all about herself, so she really can't see past herself to see my pain. I just got home last night. I don't really feel the visit was stressful at all, but I woke up with another cold sore this morning. This is the second one in a month. I have been taking my l-lysine daily since the last one a few weeks ago. I must be so full of toxins that the lysine isn't doing its job. I am still planning on doing a fast. I am going to start on Monday. It will be easier for me to plan the meals ahead if my kids are not home with me all day. I love to eat, so I can use all the support I can get. I am going to do alot of researching about fasting today, if you have any encouraging words for me it will be greatly appreciated. Have a good day, Lglory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: ,Let us know when you decide to do a fast, and how it goes for you. For me, fasting is definitely more of a mental challenge than a physcial one. I don't feel hungry on a fast past the first day. I actually feel energized, and don't even want to eat because sometimes eating makes me feel lethargic.So, it becomes a test of willpower more than anything. What I tell myself to remain successful in fasting is that the food will be there when I am done...that we have always had lots of food

available, and it will be there in a few days. I just can't have it now, NOT NOW. But it will be there.This has helped me tremendously to overcome those urges to break the fast.I will have to do another fast soon too. My parents are here, and that makes it a little harder, but I'll do it with you if you need a fasting partner for support. Just let me know!Hugs,Patty>> Thanks Patty,> > I appreciate your wisdom. Looks like I need to make sure I have more info before I start my fast. I will definatly read up on it before I start.> > L

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April 6, 2006

Grape juice as well as L-lysine will help, but I have to take 3-500

mg. of L-lysine 3 times a day, and they are gone in 2 days.

Lynda

At 08:06 AM 4/6/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks for the offer to partner with me Patty,

>

>I just got home from visiting my mother and sister. It is so hard

>for them to understand my quest for a healthier lifestyle. My

>sister is better at it than my mom. My mom has been alwyas all

>about herself, so she really can't see past herself to see my

>pain. I just got home last night. I don't really feel the visit

>was stressful at all, but I woke up with another cold sore this

>morning. This is the second one in a month. I have been taking my

>l-lysine daily since the last one a few weeks ago. I must be so

>full of toxins that the lysine isn't doing its job.

>

>I am still planning on doing a fast. I am going to start on

>Monday. It will be easier for me to plan the meals ahead if my kids

>are not home with me all day. I love to eat, so I can use all the

>support I can get.

>

>I am going to do alot of researching about fasting today, if you

>have any encouraging words for me it will be greatly appreciated.

>

>Have a good day,

>

> L

>

>glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>,

>Let us know when you decide to do a fast, and how it goes for you.

>

>For me, fasting is definitely more of a mental challenge than a

>physcial one. I don't feel hungry on a fast past the first day. I

>actually feel energized, and don't even want to eat because

>sometimes eating makes me feel lethargic.

>

>So, it becomes a test of willpower more than anything. What I tell

>myself to remain successful in fasting is that the food will be

>there when I am done...that we have always had lots of food

>available, and it will be there in a few days. I just can't have it

>now, NOT NOW. But it will be there.

>

>This has helped me tremendously to overcome those urges to break the

>fast.

>

>I will have to do another fast soon too. My parents are here, and

>that makes it a little harder, but I'll do it with you if you need a

>fasting partner for support. Just let me know!

>Hugs,

>Patty

>

> >

> > Thanks Patty,

> >

> > I appreciate your wisdom. Looks like I need to make sure I have

>more info before I start my fast. I will definatly read up on it

>before I start.

> >

> > L

>

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>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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February 3, 2007

Hi Meg,

I don't have experience with fasting but I thought I would mention that Buhner

has written

on a book on fasting called The Fasting Path and I have a review of it on my

website:

http://tinyurl.com/ysbfyo I don't know that he talks about it in relation to

Lyme though.

Personally, I have struggled with hypoglycemia for years and could never think

of fasting

at this point - my protein needs are too great and I need to keep my blood sugar

levels

balanced. This might be from the Lyme, who knows.

FWIW

So I guess my question is this: does anybody have any experience with fasting

and lyme? I

wouldn't think that would have anything to do with my flare, as it started

fairly early on in

the day, but I just thought I'd see if any of you had any experience with this.

I used to fast

now and then and never had any problems doing so, but this is the first time

since getting

sick that I've fasted (except for a few times when I was so nauseated I couldn't

eat; once

for a couple days straight). So could it be from the andrographis?

>

> Thanks in advance for anything anyone might share!

>

> -Meg

>

February 3, 2007

Andropraphis can definitely cause the increase in heart palpitations,

but some of the other symptoms sound like a herx. Remember, oftentimes

the herx will correspond to your regular Lyme symptoms. You already

had tremors, pain, etc., and now you're seeing those things magnified.

At the same time, however, this isn't a race, so I would definitely

cut down your dose until the symptoms are more bearable.

Gotta go.

>

> Hi all,

>

> Well, here I am again -- I told myself when I joined this list that

at least in the beginning I'd do more lurking than writing in, but

it's been so nice having people with experience in all this that I can

talk to, that I'm back for more help.

>

> Lately I've been seeming to have a flare up of symptoms; this is

typical for me every few weeks, even though the Samento I've been on

since September seems to be working some major wonders for me. My

flares are usually pretty mild. Yesterday I started on Andrographis

and Resveratrol (I'm waiting for a couple other things to arrive).

Today I've had a *major* increase in symptoms. I'm having trouble even

thinking of what they are, my brain feels so foggy. So sad. This is

going to take a long time to write. haha. I was having a *lot* more

muscle twitching, tingling (almost numbness) in my extremities, a big

increase in pain (joints, bones, muscles, the whole shebang; I was

writing a letter earlier today and had to stop prematurely because the

pain was so bad I just couldn't hardly hold the pen anymore), more

(and louder) ringing in my ears than I've ever had before, and also a

lot more tremoring than is normal for me, even during a typical flare.

Also I was noticing a lot more

> heart palpitations. Aside from starting the andrographis and

resveratrol yesterday evening, I spent today in prayer and fasting. So

I guess my question is this: does anybody have any experience with

fasting and lyme? I wouldn't think that would have anything to do with

my flare, as it started fairly early on in the day, but I just thought

I'd see if any of you had any experience with this. I used to fast now

and then and never had any problems doing so, but this is the first

time since getting sick that I've fasted (except for a few times when

I was so nauseated I couldn't eat; once for a couple days straight).

So could it be from the andrographis?

>

> Thanks in advance for anything anyone might share!

>

> -Meg

>

February 3, 2007

welcome meg, so happy you found this group.

i used to fast periodically without problems (my last fast was 19 days on

dilute fruit juice and veg broth). since becoming disabled with lyme, etc, i

find i can no longer fast. in part, i have to take all my supplements and

herbs with food or great upset. last month i was supposed to prep for

colonoscopy by going off herbs and then fasting day before. that day of

fasting was day of hell for me--worst symptoms ever. big mistake to stop

herbs and big mistake not to eat.

so, don't know how it affects you, but lyme generally changes everything.

just because you used to be able to fast with no problems, can't rely on

that now. so, go slowly, be gentle with yourself, check in with your body,

no expectations.

in this challenging time of illness and transition,

may gratitude and wonder enlighten your path, step by step.

may grace and ease enliven your presence, breath by breath.

kendra

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From:

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.... yesterday evening, I spent today in prayer and fasting. So I guess my

question is this: does anybody have any experience with fasting and lyme? I

wouldn't think that would have anything to do with my flare, as it started

fairly early on in the day, but I just thought I'd see if any of you had any

experience with this. I used to fast now and then and never had any problems

doing so, but this is the first time since getting sick that I've fasted

(except for a few times when I was so nauseated I couldn't eat; once for a

couple days straight). So could it be from the andrographis?

February 3, 2007

Hi:

I used to fast but that was many, many years ago, long before Lyme. AND it

was not easy.

It will get rid of a lot of toxins in your body, but I could not do it now,

since I only take herbs WITH food. AND herbs are a KIND OF food also. True

fasting is with water only. Plenty of water.

I could only go a few days with JUST water, and would then start adding juices

into the mix, and finally Jello, and little by little fruits and then more solid

food.

BUT I would think IF you are on herbs, it would not be considered fasting

anyway.

Jim

###

Meg Chaney <i_am_not_crazy_08@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Well, here I am again -- I told myself when I joined this list that at least in

the beginning I'd do more lurking than writing in, but it's been so nice having

people with experience in all this that I can talk to, that I'm back for more

help.

Lately I've been seeming to have a flare up of symptoms; this is typical for me

every few weeks, even though the Samento I've been on since September seems to

be working some major wonders for me. My flares are usually pretty mild.

Yesterday I started on Andrographis and Resveratrol (I'm waiting for a couple

other things to arrive). Today I've had a *major* increase in symptoms. I'm

having trouble even thinking of what they are, my brain feels so foggy. So sad.

This is going to take a long time to write. haha. I was having a *lot* more

muscle twitching, tingling (almost numbness) in my extremities, a big increase

in pain (joints, bones, muscles, the whole shebang; I was writing a letter

earlier today and had to stop prematurely because the pain was so bad I just

couldn't hardly hold the pen anymore), more (and louder) ringing in my ears than

I've ever had before, and also a lot more tremoring than is normal for me, even

during a typical flare. Also I was noticing a lot more

heart palpitations. Aside from starting the andrographis and resveratrol

yesterday evening, I spent today in prayer and fasting. So I guess my question

is this: does anybody have any experience with fasting and lyme? I wouldn't

think that would have anything to do with my flare, as it started fairly early

on in the day, but I just thought I'd see if any of you had any experience with

this. I used to fast now and then and never had any problems doing so, but this

is the first time since getting sick that I've fasted (except for a few times

when I was so nauseated I couldn't eat; once for a couple days straight). So

could it be from the andrographis?

Thanks in advance for anything anyone might share!

-Meg

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February 3, 2007

Meg, glad you find the group helpful.

As for fasting, I would agree with previous answers. Fasting with

lyme, for me, is next to impossible.

When I'm loaded with toxins of die off or with metals (or both), I

need the opposite, eat, eat, eat, or I literally collapse. I fall

down anywhere I am. I mean, that was how it used to be.

I later understood that we need to repose fats everytime we fight

such toxins, that our nervous system is in need of fats to build

itself and protect itself (if I understood well). And I craved many

other things too in large quantities. I never gained a single gram

while eating desperately like that, even without any gastro-

intestinal problem whatsoever. My intestines were working perfect

most of the time I was with this 'eating disorder'!!!

So I believe my body used up all those things, either to build itself

(proteins, oils) or to cleanse (fibers, oils, chlorella, minerals).

Or as energy to fight pathogens, who knows?

If I didn't carry enough good food, fruits, seeds with me while I was

outside, I could need help from someone if I spent 4 hours without

food, as my energy would just go so low, I would feel almost in

despair.

So while you're killing bacteries, and these critters liberate toxins

in your body, I don't see how fasting could do good. Maybe someone

here would come with a different view.

You got to watch out for die-off symptoms. I would go very slow in

your place, dropping the dose of killers. To avoid damage with excess

of herxes. Both andro and knotweed can kill all around your body, I

wouldn't 'play' with herxes as excess of toxins can just stop your

development some time soon and cause lasting symptoms/ damage.

Get loaded with good cleansers!

Selma

February 3, 2007

Selma,

Thanks again for your help and suggestions (and everybody else who offered what

they knew and their experiences with Lyme and fasting)! I really appreciate it!

I got up very early this morning (8:30! LOL But hey, compared to 11:00 that IS

early) to have breakfast with my mom, and it threw off my " groove " and I forgot

to take all of my stuff (except the Samento that I take before I even get out of

bed) -- coincidence or not, I feel almost good so far today (though evenings are

typically worse anyway). Pretty much the opposite of yesterday. Hehe. So I

probably just need to take it even slower on the andrographis and resveratrol...

it's kind of funny to me how in retrospect I can see what the problems are so

much more clearly. Live and learn though, eh? And when I'm too duh to think of

it on my own, I can bug you all. Thanks for letting me.

-Meg

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: Meg,

glad you find the group helpful.

As for fasting, I would agree with previous answers. Fasting with

lyme, for me, is next to impossible.

When I'm loaded with toxins of die off or with metals (or both), I

need the opposite, eat, eat, eat, or I literally collapse. I fall

down anywhere I am. I mean, that was how it used to be.

I later understood that we need to repose fats everytime we fight

such toxins, that our nervous system is in need of fats to build

itself and protect itself (if I understood well). And I craved many

other things too in large quantities. I never gained a single gram

while eating desperately like that, even without any gastro-

intestinal problem whatsoever. My intestines were working perfect

most of the time I was with this 'eating disorder'!!!

So I believe my body used up all those things, either to build itself

(proteins, oils) or to cleanse (fibers, oils, chlorella, minerals).

Or as energy to fight pathogens, who knows?

If I didn't carry enough good food, fruits, seeds with me while I was

outside, I could need help from someone if I spent 4 hours without

food, as my energy would just go so low, I would feel almost in

despair.

So while you're killing bacteries, and these critters liberate toxins

in your body, I don't see how fasting could do good. Maybe someone

here would come with a different view.

You got to watch out for die-off symptoms. I would go very slow in

your place, dropping the dose of killers. To avoid damage with excess

of herxes. Both andro and knotweed can kill all around your body, I

wouldn't 'play' with herxes as excess of toxins can just stop your

development some time soon and cause lasting symptoms/ damage.

Get loaded with good cleansers!

Selma

February 3, 2007

I have a few more minutes, here.

I wouldn't try fasting right now, personally. Especially a water fast.

If you're herxing, your body is already practically overworking itself

in trying to clear itself of those endotoxins. A water fast will

release *more* toxins, and speed up this process too much, which would

be *very* uncomfortable.