Fasting

August 8, 2005

> Deanna

> officially certified hunter for most of N America

Is that a series of classes you took or what? Please, do tell... ~Robin Ann

August 8, 2005

Robin Ann,

>Is that a series of classes you took or what? Please, do tell...

>

It was comparable to getting CPR certified. It was a long weekend

class. Still much to learn, but we all passed the written test with

flying colors. No big deal. I ain't no professional or anything, lol.

Deanna

August 8, 2005

>The funniest thing is I came down (I live upstairs from them) a few

>minutes late, and all of the serving dishes were right in my place,

>since there was little room on the table. How sweet of them to put

>big bowls of food in front of me! :-)

>

Very conscientious, lol. It reminds me of when I tell DH I'm fasting.

Inevitably, he becomes uncharacteristically interested in if I want to

taste this or that. Oh well, if food doesn't interest you, then none of

it matters much, eh?

>

>I have no idea. Let me go weigh myself... I weigh 152, which is a

>pound more than I weighed two days ago or so, although I've been up

>for a few hours and tend to gain weight during the day. So I've lost

>about 9 or 10 pounds. Of course, I had already lost 7 pounds in a

>week from doing low-carb/Mastering Leptin.

>

That sounds really reasonable, and it should taper over time too, iirc.

>I believe I am losing both fat and muscle mass, but I still appear to

>be considerably more muscular than average so I'm not too worried

>about it.

>

>I'm on the 8th day. I water fasted for 36 hours, but felt

>instinctively that I needed to add coconut water back in, so had a

>glass last night and felt very good after it.

>

That's really prudent to do water fasting between the coconut water days.

>Right now, I'm having a " meal " of a glass of coconut water and a

>teaspoon of coconut oil. I am thinking that I will add an additional

>1 teaspoon of coconut oil per day this week, and begin to build up the

>two meals I was eating before, and water in between, although still

>liquid fasting. If I can get my hands on a good free form amino acid

>supplement I might add that in too in liewise small increments, since,

>although it is protein, the free form wouldn't need digestion, so I'm

>still preserving all the elements of liquid fasting.

>

>Then, at the end of the week, or beginning of next, I think I will add

>a cup of bone broth to this " meal, " but will have to include HCl and

>enzymes with it, since it has true proteins. I am going to start off

>all food with HCl and enzymes for quite a while and then try to back

>off the supplements later. Then, as suggested, after a few

>days, I will add sauerkraut as first solid food, rare steak as second,

>and ghee as third, one day at a time. I will hold off on all

>starches, nuts, corn, eggs, and dairy for a long time. At some point

>I will try butter and see if it affects me, although I'll try to get

>goat butter or something, and then a couple months later cream, or

>something like that. In any case I will space out all the foods that

>are common allergens or have potential to affect dysbiosis, so I can

>see the effect of each one.

>

What a great plan for the end and breakfast. Why steak? Why not

clean-raised liver or vegetable soup? And why are you shunning eggs

too? I guess it's the allergen thingy. Keep us posted.

Deanna

August 8, 2005

On 8/8/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

> What a great plan for the end and breakfast. Why steak? Why not

> clean-raised liver or vegetable soup? And why are you shunning eggs

> too? I guess it's the allergen thingy. Keep us posted.

Well, steak would be easier to digest than veggie soup, which wouldn't

provide any protein, which is what I wouldn't have had for two weeks,

and steak is lighter than liver. I think it's odd that you seem to be

suggesting two different extremes like liver and veggie soup, on

either side of steak.

Anyway, I'll really *want* a steak at that point! What on earth is

wrong with steak???

Chris

August 8, 2005

On 8/6/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Can I take the IF#1 now by itself, or do I have to wait until the IF#2

> comes in to take them together?

Just a note, when you begin taking the #2, you will probably have to

increase the #1 by a capsule or two.

> I water fasted yesterday, but I was on the computer almost from waking

> to sleeping, with breaks, and I was up to 1 am, then I began to feel

> funny, and I was almost afraid I was going to pass out when brushing

> my teeth before bed, and I got paranoid and had about 2-3 oz of orange

> juice. I started getting super-paranoid that I was going to die in my

> sleep or something, and then it leveled off, but I still had insomnia

> from my brain being so wired from reading and writing all day

> straight. It occurred to me that maybe I was starting to " detox " my

> buried anxiety problems...

No doubt. I would suggest you get plenty of fresh air and sunshine.

And do some light walking as well. Akathists are great during a fast

as well.

August 8, 2005

On 8/9/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> No doubt. I would suggest you get plenty of fresh air and sunshine.

> And do some light walking as well. Akathists are great during a fast

> as well.

The Paraklesis would probably be more appropriate to this one... ;-)

Chris

August 8, 2005

On 8/8/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 8/9/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

>

> > No doubt. I would suggest you get plenty of fresh air and sunshine.

> > And do some light walking as well. Akathists are great during a fast

> > as well.

>

> The Paraklesis would probably be more appropriate to this one... ;-)

>

> Chris

LOL! Right you are on the new calendar.

..

August 9, 2005

>>What a great plan for the end and breakfast. Why steak? Why not

>>clean-raised liver or vegetable soup? And why are you shunning eggs

>>too? I guess it's the allergen thingy. Keep us posted.

>>

>

>Well, steak would be easier to digest than veggie soup, which wouldn't

>provide any protein, which is what I wouldn't have had for two weeks,

>and steak is lighter than liver. I think it's odd that you seem to be

>suggesting two different extremes like liver and veggie soup, on

>either side of steak.

>

Well, I was thinking out loud and wondering, not suggesting. Veggie

soup made from bone broth is what I was thinking, though, and it does

have protein. It might even have beef in it.

>Anyway, I'll really *want* a steak at that point! What on earth is

>wrong with steak???

>

Nothing wrong with steak. I had rare roast beef with horseradish sour

cream last night. Raw steak would be best, but if it is seared and raw

inside, that would taste better to me.

Deanna

August 9, 2005

On 8/9/05, Deanna Wagner <hl@...> wrote:

> Well, I was thinking out loud and wondering, not suggesting. Veggie

> soup made from bone broth is what I was thinking, though, and it does

> have protein. It might even have beef in it.

True, but I'm already planning to add the bone broth before solid

foods so what I'd be adding is vegetables, not the broth. I think the

drawback is it's more " comlicated. " It seems to violate the rule of

adding one food a day, since a soup would contain many different

vegetables. What if one of them gives me a problem and I don't know

which? Also, I think there are various types of vegetables that

contain carbohydrates that are harder to digest than others, and I

think that in general, fiber might not be the best option.

So I'm going to keep it simple regarding veggies at first and add raw

sauerkruat, which I know to enhance my digestion rather than hinder

it. I was actually thinking that some fruits might be best for next

plant foods, like pineapple. Although, I react weird to some raw

fruits so it might be best to cook fruits just in case at first.

> >Anyway, I'll really *want* a steak at that point! What on earth is

> >wrong with steak???

> >

> Nothing wrong with steak. I had rare roast beef with horseradish sour

> cream last night. Raw steak would be best, but if it is seared and raw

> inside, that would taste better to me.

I'm not so sure of that. I think that very rare steak might be easier

to digest than raw. I'd have to experiment with it. I prefer steak

that is high-heat cooked on the very outside but is only warmed enough

to soften it and make it feel warm on the inside.

Chris

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August 10, 2005

Hi Robin,

> I always " implant " with good

> probiotics afterward too...

Can you describe how you do this? I've read about the implanting idea but

was never comfortable with it. Hearing how someone I know has actually done

it would be helpful.

> [robin]For one person you need to have a long shower flower (or be

> VERY short :-) and you hang the big heavy thing bag of water from

> the shower handle. You get comfortable, grab a book and relax as

> best you can and let the colon soak up the hydration. Take your

> time... that's the key. Then when you've taken all you can, you walk

> to the toilet. If there's an accident, the shower drain is a waste

> line just like the toilet and so there's no harm done. BTW, it's

> great for learning to control the kegels and whatever the butt

> muscles are called inside. Very good for sexual health and becoming

> comfortable with *every* part of your body...

I couldn't agree more! After the first three or four you are pretty much

over your life-long phobia about dealing with feces and your butt. Very

helpful and kind of stress releasing. I'm a pretty uninhibited guy and am

still surprised at how much resistance I had to everything I had to deal

with the first time I did an enema a year or so ago. Now I couldn't care

less.

Ron

August 10, 2005

> Well, I was thinking out loud and wondering, not suggesting. Veggie

> soup made from bone broth is what I was thinking, though, and it does

> have protein. It might even have beef in it.

>

A really great trick that I've discovered post fast is to cook your veggies

in bone broth until they are very soft and then blend them with a hand

blender until they are pureed. I seem to tolerate that extraordinarily well

and it tastes great. In fact, sometimes I'll take a hunk of cold raw butter

and throw it in the middle of the bowl and kind of eat around it. Yum.

Ron

August 11, 2005

Chris-

>Anyway, I'll really *want* a steak at that point! What on earth is

>wrong with steak???

Nothing at all, except for being less nutrient-dense than organs.

-

August 11, 2005

One more--steak and muscle meat in general is harder to digest. That's

important because it affects mineral absorption.

mike

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Chris-

>

> >Anyway, I'll really *want* a steak at that point! What on earth is

> >wrong with steak???

>

> Nothing at all, except for being less nutrient-dense than organs.

>

> -

September 1, 2005

Hi everyone sorry its been so long since I last reported in. I ended up doing

a 31 day water only fast then I had to stop there has been a family emergency

my youngest son " s wife 7 months pregnet and 5 grandchildren were in a head

on collision thank God they were in a 13 passager van so there injures were

minimum except my 9 year old grandson ( they were all in there seats or

seatbelts on thank God) was thrown forward and hit a metal bar that

went

across the back seat split his forehead open from one side to the other the

plastic surgeon came in to repair it said he would never have feeling in it

again

then he had to have surgery and have about 4 inches of hie upper intestinal

removed where the seat belt squeezed him so thigh he is home now but having a

lot

of problem remembering his short term memory is gone the dr. said give it a

little more time if there is no improvement soon they will send him to a

nurgeloist. please pray for him. the rest of the family was black and blue

scratches

and cuts the van rolled 3 times and stopped on its top all the windows broke

out so they were covered in glass. the other car lost controlled it was

raining real hard and she was trying to answer her cell phone so we were told

she

was killed on impact 38 years old mother of 10 the man was in the hospital not

expected to live 3 children 12-16 all in hospital in bad shape. So as you

can see I have been preoccuptied.I believe the fast would have been better if I

could had went a few more days I still have some stiffness in myhands and

wrist. I have not had any medication since I started my fast the doctor did tell

me when I started refeeding I could expect a flair up and will all the stress I

was under could cause a flare up. I did have a flare up but it was nothing

compared to what it use to be and was short lived. the diet they say will make

all the difference I know its a big change in the way that IM use to eating but

I will get use to it I have already started adding a few things back in to

see how I react to them so far have added tomatoes, onions, last night I added

potatoes this morning I feel a little stiffness in my fingers so I guess I

will delete them for about 3 weeks then reintroduce them to see if that the

reason for the stiffness.but to be pain virtually pain free for the first time

in

almost one year thetas fantastic and no medication I intend to fast at home

about 5-10 days every other month my sed rate when I left was 25 my cholesterol

was227 down to 148 my weight went from 198 to 173 I have gained 10 lbs.back I

should have lost more but I have low thyroid but thats 15 lbs and was a side

benefit.

September 1, 2005