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Hi Selma!

I hope you don't mind my adding my experience.

Goat whey is great if one is not milk intolerant (as I am).

I tried nebulized glutathione, and I seemed to move mercury to brain.

MS symptoms (balance especially) were immediately worse. I asked my

environmental doctor, and he said that glutathione can be an

incomplete chelator of mercury. If detox systems are damaged, then

only a very small dose, if any, can be tolerated without moving it to

the brain.

Hi Connie,

> thanks. I'm back in track, I think.

> >

> > No way to eat light when I'm metal detoxing. Fats are the first

> thing I

> > crave. I'm on a pause of metal detox in the last 2 weeks, so

back

> to

> > eating normally again. Not craving anything particular these

last

> days.

> >

> > As soon as I'll re-start it, I'll crave for fats, minerals and

> fibers

> > LIKE HELL. It's been like this for almost a year, so I know it

> won't

> > change... It would be easier to digest lighter things, of

course,

> but

> > tell that to my body!! He does't listen. If I dont' get my dose

> of fat,

> > I'll continue craving, then will eat sugar, that is the worst.

> And will

> > still be hungry after.

> >

> > Our brains are almost pure fat, I guess there must be a link in

> between

> > these flying metals, fats and our nervous system. Gigi, from

the

> other

> > forum, was eating 8 eggs a day while metal detoxing. And she

was

> > minimum 70, if not already 80 years old at that time! She

> survived and

> > got cured from lyme.

> >

> > I didn't reach that amount yet, hopefully will never need so

> much, but

> > I 'understand' her craving!

> >

> > Selma

> >

> > > >

> > > Hi Selma,

> > >

> > > I would agree with you. The adrenals get immensely stressed

out

> > > without food in the body, and we need all the power we can

get

> from

> > > our adrenals!

> > > On the other hand, digesting heavy metals require a huge

supply

> of

> > > energy from the body, so eating light and frequently might be

a

> good

> > > choice when you are detoxing or not feeling well.

> > > Balance between protein, fats and complex carbs is important.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Selma,

How are you?

Connie, I just re-read

things about this PCA-RX. It sounds so good.

What was your experience with it? Did you feel it REALLY made a

difference? I mean, did you feel really detoxifying while you were on

it for so long?

Yes, I did feel like it made a difference. The first two months I was on it I

had major depression as toxins were being mobilized, but then after that my

mood started to get better, my thinking clearer.

How long did a bottle last for you? I mean, it's pretty expensive,

that's why I'm asking...

It's not cheap....if you are doing full-on detox, it's about $100-125 a

month.

Was it hard to take?

No, very easy! It's just a spray, and is supposed to be really effective.

I guess the 3 main detoxifiers dr. K uses are: cilantro (2x day, 10

drops on hot water), chlorella (every day, at least once, a few

tablets) and goat whey (good absorbable minerals, don't remember

when/ how much a day, as I'm allergic to any milk...).

Yeah, I do just cilantro and chlorella now. I'm concerned that these dont

form good, tight bonds with mercury but havent had any negative effects that I

can tell from them. If I could afford it I'd still be on PCA-rx.

I mean, once your main load of metals are taken off, it seems that

these are the 3 maintenance products that would deal with most of

everyday toxins.

Yeah, probably...as far as I know!

I can't stand so much cilantro, not even few drops of it 2x day. I

still have some way to go with other stronger detoxing agents, I

guess.

Wow, thats interesting...

I read that glutathione (ingested) is not very efficient as the IV

version, but I haven't read about sublingual stuff... Do you feel it

works a bit for your liver/ detoxing?

There is a well known LLMD who thinks sublingual is as effective as IV

glutathione. I am doing the sublingual right now. Not sure about the effects

personally but then again it's hard for me to discern unless Ive been using

something for a long time. I just started with this. in the States, you need a

prescription for sublingual glut. Thank goodness I have a cooperative doc!

It's funny you crave for almond butter! Protein and fat again.....

My doctor told me he wanted to make me his research-patient! I'm so

sensitive to things that I notice most of 'new' things going inside

my body. That's probably why I react with herbs so strongly, even

with so little amount. And I'm super sensitive to homeopathy too.

Sounds like you would make a great guinea pig! Lucky you for having

such a sensitive body. must help in figuring things out.

You can imagine when I was having all these new lyme symptoms coming

every day different, I got totally lost and confused, as I couldn't

trust my body either. It was like I got completely lost really. First

time experience in my life.

Oh so you have been confused? At what stage did you start figuring it all

out?

Fortunately, Buhner's herbs and detox stuff made my body 'stable'

and 'readable' again. Fewer symptoms/ critters to track!

Remind me again of how long you've been doing his herbs...

Seems you are out of the woods now, though, eh? Thats wonderful!

Well you've given me an idea for a blog post tonight...heavy metals!

Good night!

Good night to you, too!

Connie

www.lymebytes.blogspot.com

Selma

>

> Selma,

>

> Thats interesting you notice these cravings with metal detox! I

continue to be amazed at the connection you have between your

therapies/diet/symptoms. Most of the time I can't figure out what is

helping with what, and just have a vague idea. Probably has

something to do with not trusting myself.

>

> Funny what you say about fats, though. I crave almond butter and

go through a tub or two in a week! It's like I can't get enough,

though I take EFA's and eat a balanced diet.

>

> how are you detoxing for metals these days?

> I did pca-rx for a year and am now just on glutathione tablets,

chlorella and sometimes cilantro.

>

> Have a great day! Connie

>

> selmanaka <hardynaka@...>

wrote: Hi Connie,

thanks. I'm back in track, I think.

>

> No way to eat light when I'm metal detoxing. Fats are the first

thing I

> crave. I'm on a pause of metal detox in the last 2 weeks, so back

to

> eating normally again. Not craving anything particular these last

days.

>

> As soon as I'll re-start it, I'll crave for fats, minerals and

fibers

> LIKE HELL. It's been like this for almost a year, so I know it

won't

> change... It would be easier to digest lighter things, of course,

but

> tell that to my body!! He does't listen. If I dont' get my dose

of fat,

> I'll continue craving, then will eat sugar, that is the worst.

And will

> still be hungry after.

>

> Our brains are almost pure fat, I guess there must be a link in

between

> these flying metals, fats and our nervous system. Gigi, from the

other

> forum, was eating 8 eggs a day while metal detoxing. And she was

> minimum 70, if not already 80 years old at that time! She

survived and

> got cured from lyme.

>

> I didn't reach that amount yet, hopefully will never need so

much, but

> I 'understand' her craving!

>

> Selma

>

> > >

> > Hi Selma,

> >

> > I would agree with you. The adrenals get immensely stressed out

> > without food in the body, and we need all the power we can get

from

> > our adrenals!

> > On the other hand, digesting heavy metals require a huge supply

of

> > energy from the body, so eating light and frequently might be a

good

> > choice when you are detoxing or not feeling well.

> > Balance between protein, fats and complex carbs is important.

> >

> > Connie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I believe that GiGi said last year, she was 78.

Jim.

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Hi Connie, thanks. I'm back in track, I think.

No way to eat light when I'm metal detoxing. Fats are the first thing I

crave. I'm on a pause of metal detox in the last 2 weeks, so back to

eating normally again. Not craving anything particular these last days.

As soon as I'll re-start it, I'll crave for fats, minerals and fibers

LIKE HELL. It's been like this for almost a year, so I know it won't

change... It would be easier to digest lighter things, of course, but

tell that to my body!! He does't listen. If I dont' get my dose of fat,

I'll continue craving, then will eat sugar, that is the worst. And will

still be hungry after.

Our brains are almost pure fat, I guess there must be a link in between

these flying metals, fats and our nervous system. Gigi, from the other

forum, was eating 8 eggs a day while metal detoxing. And she was

minimum 70, if not already 80 years old at that time! She survived and

got cured from lyme.

I didn't reach that amount yet, hopefully will never need so much, but

I 'understand' her craving!

Selma

> >

> Hi Selma,

>

> I would agree with you. The adrenals get immensely stressed out

> without food in the body, and we need all the power we can get from

> our adrenals!

> On the other hand, digesting heavy metals require a huge supply of

> energy from the body, so eating light and frequently might be a good

> choice when you are detoxing or not feeling well.

> Balance between protein, fats and complex carbs is important.

>

> Connie

>

>

>

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Interesting. I just did my first round of DMSA for mercury chelation and

my LLMD told me to avoid fat so as to support my liver in detoxing the

chelate/metal rather than metabolizing fats.

I can't believe HOW MUCH I craved eggs (which I dont normally like

much), avocados, and oily things while I was doing that. It's not like I

was even cutting out 'all' fats, just eating fewer than normal, and it

felt unbearable. It was so abnormal that my boyfriend joked today that

he felt like he was cheating on me when he had a hamburger while away

from home.

selmanaka wrote:

>

> Hi Connie, thanks. I'm back in track, I think.

>

> No way to eat light when I'm metal detoxing. Fats are the first thing I

> crave. I'm on a pause of metal detox in the last 2 weeks, so back to

> eating normally again. Not craving anything particular these last days.

>

> As soon as I'll re-start it, I'll crave for fats, minerals and fibers

> LIKE HELL. It's been like this for almost a year, so I know it won't

> change... It would be easier to digest lighter things, of course, but

> tell that to my body!! He does't listen. If I dont' get my dose of fat,

> I'll continue craving, then will eat sugar, that is the worst. And will

> still be hungry after.

>

> Our brains are almost pure fat, I guess there must be a link in between

> these flying metals, fats and our nervous system. Gigi, from the other

> forum, was eating 8 eggs a day while metal detoxing. And she was

> minimum 70, if not already 80 years old at that time! She survived and

> got cured from lyme.

>

> I didn't reach that amount yet, hopefully will never need so much, but

> I 'understand' her craving!

>

> Selma

>

> > >

> > Hi Selma,

> >

> > I would agree with you. The adrenals get immensely stressed out

> > without food in the body, and we need all the power we can get from

> > our adrenals!

> > On the other hand, digesting heavy metals require a huge supply of

> > energy from the body, so eating light and frequently might be a good

> > choice when you are detoxing or not feeling well.

> > Balance between protein, fats and complex carbs is important.

> >

> > Connie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for sharing. I've heard the same about chlorella and cilantro as what

you write about glutathione--that these are incomplete chelators of mercury and

pose a danger for some.

Connie

susan2health <susan2health@...> wrote:

Hi Selma!

I hope you don't mind my adding my experience.

Goat whey is great if one is not milk intolerant (as I am).

I tried nebulized glutathione, and I seemed to move mercury to brain.

MS symptoms (balance especially) were immediately worse. I asked my

environmental doctor, and he said that glutathione can be an

incomplete chelator of mercury. If detox systems are damaged, then

only a very small dose, if any, can be tolerated without moving it to

the brain.

Hi Connie,

> thanks. I'm back in track, I think.

> >

> > No way to eat light when I'm metal detoxing. Fats are the first

> thing I

> > crave. I'm on a pause of metal detox in the last 2 weeks, so

back

> to

> > eating normally again. Not craving anything particular these

last

> days.

> >

> > As soon as I'll re-start it, I'll crave for fats, minerals and

> fibers

> > LIKE HELL. It's been like this for almost a year, so I know it

> won't

> > change... It would be easier to digest lighter things, of

course,

> but

> > tell that to my body!! He does't listen. If I dont' get my dose

> of fat,

> > I'll continue craving, then will eat sugar, that is the worst.

> And will

> > still be hungry after.

> >

> > Our brains are almost pure fat, I guess there must be a link in

> between

> > these flying metals, fats and our nervous system. Gigi, from

the

> other

> > forum, was eating 8 eggs a day while metal detoxing. And she

was

> > minimum 70, if not already 80 years old at that time! She

> survived and

> > got cured from lyme.

> >

> > I didn't reach that amount yet, hopefully will never need so

> much, but

> > I 'understand' her craving!

> >

> > Selma

> >

> > > >

> > > Hi Selma,

> > >

> > > I would agree with you. The adrenals get immensely stressed

out

> > > without food in the body, and we need all the power we can

get

> from

> > > our adrenals!

> > > On the other hand, digesting heavy metals require a huge

supply

> of

> > > energy from the body, so eating light and frequently might be

a

> good

> > > choice when you are detoxing or not feeling well.

> > > Balance between protein, fats and complex carbs is important.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Connie. Thanks for the info below, on PCA-RX and sublingual

glutathione.

I guess PCA-RX is still expensive for my actual budget as I'm on

other stuff (destroxin/zeolite/ chlorella)... Zeolite is doing a good

job so far, so I'll keep on it a bit longer.

But it's great to know it worked so well for you. Do you think you

still have metals/toxins?

>Oh so you have been confused? At what stage did you start figuring

it all out?

It's never a yes-no answer, for sure. It's mostly a guess... ART does

help me figuring out when I get lost again...

In the course of treatment, the number of symptoms kept falling, and

that made things much easier to track. Difficult to say when I got

dozens of symptoms, or even more, coming, some staying, others going.

Now it's pretty reduced: chills, hand rashes, are my main symptoms.

Some head fatigue/ congestion sometimes, small pain here and there

that I attribute to zeolite pulling metals (because it's like a

herx), spotting more or less during my cycle (I don't know why, but

since I caught lyme I spot more, it got better when I felt great, and

this time, I spotted again more than usual, so I keep wondering

what's the relation between lyme/ co-infections and spotting...),

getting food cravings, etc...

>Remind me again of how long you've been doing his herbs...

Seems you are out of the woods now, though, eh? Thats wonderful!

I stayed on his herbs for 13 months, no interruption. Except for

knotweed. I stopped CP during the last 2 weeks for the first time,

because of ART.

Today, I'm trying to take a knotweed tea (pendulum tested only). ART

tested no-allergy last time, but I couldn't take it (too many toxins

at that time). I did a very very light tea (2 pieces of bark only),

cooked for 20 minutes, my mouth hasn't burned so far...

My hand rashes are getting worse, a bit open skin, looking like

eczema but it doesn't itch. Only on one hand. I also got one line of

bartonela rash on my face yesterday evening!!! My hand rashes look

like eczema, but that face rash looks like the rash we see on bart

photos!!!

I guess I have to buy red root... I didn't want to import again this

month. I already spent 450 euro the last 2 weeks... This damm disease.

TAke care, I'll take a look at your blog again soon!

Selma

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info .

There's so much about metal detoxing protocols around, so much

conflicting info, I guess I'd stay with what my naturopath is

recommending for the moment.

I wonder if the homeopathic solution wouldn't be the best then...

Selma

>

> Hi Selma!

>

> I hope you don't mind my adding my experience.

>

> Goat whey is great if one is not milk intolerant (as I am).

>

> I tried nebulized glutathione, and I seemed to move mercury to

brain.

> MS symptoms (balance especially) were immediately worse. I asked

my

> environmental doctor, and he said that glutathione can be an

> incomplete chelator of mercury. If detox systems are damaged, then

> only a very small dose, if any, can be tolerated without moving it

to

> the brain.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

Hi Selma, You are welcome! It sounds like you are on some good

chelating stuff...I love PCA-rx but it sure is pricey!

I think most of us probably still have metals and toxins. My LLMD (who

trains with Dr. K) says that Dr. K believes that it takes years--like

15 or so--of constant chelation to get all metals out of the body. I

was shocked to hear that. Mine don't show up in ART testing anymore,

though, so I know my levels have gone down a bunch. I think more get

released every time I kill bugs, though, since these sequester metals.

Thanks for the info. on your healing journey...that's weird you have

hand rashes! That's got to be a bit annoying, eh?

I am 7 months on the CP (except for cats claw, which I took for a year

prior and did me little good that I can tell).

It sounds like you've really come a long way.

I know what you mean about dollars, though (or euro!) It's soooo

expensive to treat this illness. I'm just thankful that I can :-)

Thanks for checking out the blog--I'll be posting more articles

tomorrow and Saturday, hopefully...

If there is anything you (or anyone else!) would really enjoy reading

about, let me know, and I'll see if I can find some good topics to

post on.

Thanks! Blessings, Connie

> Hi again, Connie. Thanks for the info below, on PCA-RX and sublingual

> glutathione.

>

> I guess PCA-RX is still expensive for my actual budget as I'm on

> other stuff (destroxin/zeolite/ chlorella)... Zeolite is doing a good

> job so far, so I'll keep on it a bit longer.

>

> But it's great to know it worked so well for you. Do you think you

> still have metals/toxins?

>

> >Oh so you have been confused? At what stage did you start figuring

> it all out?

>

> It's never a yes-no answer, for sure. It's mostly a guess... ART does

> help me figuring out when I get lost again...

>

> In the course of treatment, the number of symptoms kept falling, and

> that made things much easier to track. Difficult to say when I got

> dozens of symptoms, or even more, coming, some staying, others going.

> Now it's pretty reduced: chills, hand rashes, are my main symptoms.

>

> Some head fatigue/ congestion sometimes, small pain here and there

> that I attribute to zeolite pulling metals (because it's like a

> herx), spotting more or less during my cycle (I don't know why, but

> since I caught lyme I spot more, it got better when I felt great, and

> this time, I spotted again more than usual, so I keep wondering

> what's the relation between lyme/ co-infections and spotting...),

> getting food cravings, etc...

>

> >Remind me again of how long you've been doing his herbs...

> Seems you are out of the woods now, though, eh? Thats wonderful!

>

> I stayed on his herbs for 13 months, no interruption. Except for

> knotweed. I stopped CP during the last 2 weeks for the first time,

> because of ART.

>

> Today, I'm trying to take a knotweed tea (pendulum tested only). ART

> tested no-allergy last time, but I couldn't take it (too many toxins

> at that time). I did a very very light tea (2 pieces of bark only),

> cooked for 20 minutes, my mouth hasn't burned so far...

>

> My hand rashes are getting worse, a bit open skin, looking like

> eczema but it doesn't itch. Only on one hand. I also got one line of

> bartonela rash on my face yesterday evening!!! My hand rashes look

> like eczema, but that face rash looks like the rash we see on bart

> photos!!!

>

> I guess I have to buy red root... I didn't want to import again this

> month. I already spent 450 euro the last 2 weeks... This damm disease.

>

> TAke care, I'll take a look at your blog again soon!

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

>

Selma--Just one more thing which I forgot to include--it took me about

a year and a half to get my metals to non-detectable levels according

to ART testing. Nearly a year of that was by taking PCA-rx and

glutathione fast pushes.

how long have you been doing chelation? Connie

> Hi again, Connie. Thanks for the info below, on PCA-RX and sublingual

> glutathione.

>

> I guess PCA-RX is still expensive for my actual budget as I'm on

> other stuff (destroxin/zeolite/ chlorella)... Zeolite is doing a good

> job so far, so I'll keep on it a bit longer.

>

> But it's great to know it worked so well for you. Do you think you

> still have metals/toxins?

>

> >Oh so you have been confused? At what stage did you start figuring

> it all out?

>

> It's never a yes-no answer, for sure. It's mostly a guess... ART does

> help me figuring out when I get lost again...

>

> In the course of treatment, the number of symptoms kept falling, and

> that made things much easier to track. Difficult to say when I got

> dozens of symptoms, or even more, coming, some staying, others going.

> Now it's pretty reduced: chills, hand rashes, are my main symptoms.

>

> Some head fatigue/ congestion sometimes, small pain here and there

> that I attribute to zeolite pulling metals (because it's like a

> herx), spotting more or less during my cycle (I don't know why, but

> since I caught lyme I spot more, it got better when I felt great, and

> this time, I spotted again more than usual, so I keep wondering

> what's the relation between lyme/ co-infections and spotting...),

> getting food cravings, etc...

>

> >Remind me again of how long you've been doing his herbs...

> Seems you are out of the woods now, though, eh? Thats wonderful!

>

> I stayed on his herbs for 13 months, no interruption. Except for

> knotweed. I stopped CP during the last 2 weeks for the first time,

> because of ART.

>

> Today, I'm trying to take a knotweed tea (pendulum tested only). ART

> tested no-allergy last time, but I couldn't take it (too many toxins

> at that time). I did a very very light tea (2 pieces of bark only),

> cooked for 20 minutes, my mouth hasn't burned so far...

>

> My hand rashes are getting worse, a bit open skin, looking like

> eczema but it doesn't itch. Only on one hand. I also got one line of

> bartonela rash on my face yesterday evening!!! My hand rashes look

> like eczema, but that face rash looks like the rash we see on bart

> photos!!!

>

> I guess I have to buy red root... I didn't want to import again this

> month. I already spent 450 euro the last 2 weeks... This damm disease.

>

> TAke care, I'll take a look at your blog again soon!

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

Oh God, 15 years!!!

But reassure yourself that after 2 years of constant chelation, most

of toxic people will have their loads down, enough to have their

bodies fighting back these bugs by themselves. At least, that's what

my dr told me. Of course, you have to do your homework (jaw and canal

roots treatment too).

If it doesn't show in ART, it's probably not your main problem for

the moment?? Just guessing... I would continue like you're doing,

maybe adding the goat whey or zeolite, any powerful mineral punch to

help detoxing the rest that cilantro and chlorella don't detox...

I also start to believe we have pockets of metals in our tissues that

hide themselves from chelators. Like lyme bugs, or other funghi.

Have you heard the interview of Klinghardt in his homepage (the

interview he did on the radio for more than an hour?). He said that

he receives people that had gone through many chelation protocols and

that still have metals in them.

So, he knows it's not the 'chemicals' that are missing for these

patients, but something else. It seems quite tricky to eliminate the

last of metals in our bodies, if I understood well. First months are

easy, the tricky job starts after.

How did you find 7 months of CP helped (or not) your health?

Selma

> >

> Hi Selma, You are welcome! It sounds like you are on some good

> chelating stuff...I love PCA-rx but it sure is pricey!

>

> I think most of us probably still have metals and toxins. My LLMD

(who

> trains with Dr. K) says that Dr. K believes that it takes years--

like

> 15 or so--of constant chelation to get all metals out of the body. I

> was shocked to hear that. Mine don't show up in ART testing anymore,

> though, so I know my levels have gone down a bunch. I think more get

> released every time I kill bugs, though, since these sequester

metals.

>

> Thanks for the info. on your healing journey...that's weird you have

> hand rashes! That's got to be a bit annoying, eh?

>

> I am 7 months on the CP (except for cats claw, which I took for a

year

> prior and did me little good that I can tell).

> It sounds like you've really come a long way.

> I know what you mean about dollars, though (or euro!) It's soooo

> expensive to treat this illness. I'm just thankful that I can :-)

>

> Thanks for checking out the blog--I'll be posting more articles

> tomorrow and Saturday, hopefully...

> If there is anything you (or anyone else!) would really enjoy

reading

> about, let me know, and I'll see if I can find some good topics to

> post on.

>

> Thanks! Blessings, Connie

>

[Guest guest]

>

Hey Selma,

Yeah, 15 years....crazy!

I agree though, that two years of chelation will get a person to a

stage where the body can fight off bugs effectively...my mind is

functioning so much better now, I know that first year chelating did a

lot for me. I didn't listen to Dr. K's interview but have read his

notes. He says that taking minerals alone can keep mercury from

binding to cell receptor sites! That is amazing.

I've tried zeolites but haven't noticed much with them. I am so

non-reactive to stuff it's not even funny.

As for the CP....cat's claw didn't do much for me that I could tell. I

herxed on andro. the first few months but feel my improvement has

been slow with that, too. I believe the japanese knotweed is helping

my energy quite a bit, though. ART revealed my body to want a ton of

that stuff!

The rizols, natural cortisol, siberian ginseng and immune entrainment

therapy (www.lymefree.com) seem to be my biggest helpers right now, I

think.

My sleep and mood have been restored since I started cortisol and

immune entrainment therapy. Energy and cognition have been getting

better over the past two months, too, but I still have a long way to

go. The first five months on the protocol I just basically felt bad!

But now I am having some good days. I don't get herxes from andro

anymore, that I can tell, and even the rizols I haven't had big

reactions to lately.

I'll be flying to Seattle in March to get re-tested.

I thought I was further along in the protocol but yesterday I went to

the gym, did only 30 minutes of low-intensity aerobics on the

elliptical machine, and today I am tired, so am a bit discouraged by

that. Last summer, before starting this protocol, I was able to go to

the gym. But, things have been better over the last two months, so

perhaps finally, I am progressing! :-) Seven months isn't really a

long enough time to see huge progress, I think. I need to give it

another year or two, probably.

Thanks for listening!

Blessings, Connie

> Oh God, 15 years!!!

>

> But reassure yourself that after 2 years of constant chelation, most

> of toxic people will have their loads down, enough to have their

> bodies fighting back these bugs by themselves. At least, that's what

> my dr told me. Of course, you have to do your homework (jaw and canal

> roots treatment too).

>

> If it doesn't show in ART, it's probably not your main problem for

> the moment?? Just guessing... I would continue like you're doing,

> maybe adding the goat whey or zeolite, any powerful mineral punch to

> help detoxing the rest that cilantro and chlorella don't detox...

>

> I also start to believe we have pockets of metals in our tissues that

> hide themselves from chelators. Like lyme bugs, or other funghi.

>

> Have you heard the interview of Klinghardt in his homepage (the

> interview he did on the radio for more than an hour?). He said that

> he receives people that had gone through many chelation protocols and

> that still have metals in them.

>

> So, he knows it's not the 'chemicals' that are missing for these

> patients, but something else. It seems quite tricky to eliminate the

> last of metals in our bodies, if I understood well. First months are

> easy, the tricky job starts after.

>

> How did you find 7 months of CP helped (or not) your health?

>

> Selma

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > Hi Selma, You are welcome! It sounds like you are on some good

> > chelating stuff...I love PCA-rx but it sure is pricey!

> >

> > I think most of us probably still have metals and toxins. My LLMD

> (who

> > trains with Dr. K) says that Dr. K believes that it takes years--

> like

> > 15 or so--of constant chelation to get all metals out of the body. I

> > was shocked to hear that. Mine don't show up in ART testing anymore,

> > though, so I know my levels have gone down a bunch. I think more get

> > released every time I kill bugs, though, since these sequester

> metals.

> >

> > Thanks for the info. on your healing journey...that's weird you have

> > hand rashes! That's got to be a bit annoying, eh?

> >

> > I am 7 months on the CP (except for cats claw, which I took for a

> year

> > prior and did me little good that I can tell).

> > It sounds like you've really come a long way.

> > I know what you mean about dollars, though (or euro!) It's soooo

> > expensive to treat this illness. I'm just thankful that I can :-)

> >

> > Thanks for checking out the blog--I'll be posting more articles

> > tomorrow and Saturday, hopefully...

> > If there is anything you (or anyone else!) would really enjoy

> reading

> > about, let me know, and I'll see if I can find some good topics to

> > post on.

> >

> > Thanks! Blessings, Connie

> >

>

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>

> So I have always tried to fast 4 times a year and it always seems

to make me feel better when ever I do it and I do know from doing

yoga that it does make my body more limber. I also do it for

religious reasons and I know this is not a group for that

discussion. I do it when I go to Harbin hot springs. I have read

the sites warning against fasting, but my question is, if one is

eating nothing but water and one leads themselves into that fact by

just eating something clean like raw spinach or lettus or celery,

goes that not starve yeast and add to the die off?

==>Hi Bob. This is from my article " Not Recommended Treatments,

Supplements, etc. " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn22.php

Fasting is intended to give the body a rest and/or to allow it to

clear out toxins and wastes. However, while your body is fasting it

is also not getting the nutrients it needs for healing and energy. It

is more important to give the body what it needs to affect healing,

allowing it to cleanse as it sees fit.

Every day between meals your body needs to fast so it can assimilate

and utilize the nutrients without having to direct its energies

towards digesting more food. That is why snacking is not recommended.

Some people do a type of fasting where they only consume the raw egg

drink for a few days at a time.

That is not considered " true fasting " and it wouldn't cause problems

because you would be getting plenty of nutrients and energy.

Also, candida sufferers start out being malnourished, with candida

interfering with digestion and utilization of nutrients, and all of

their body's cells have gone rigid by candida toxins which makes it

harder for nutrients to get in and for wastes and toxins to get out.

There wouldn't be enough nutrients from raw spinach, celery, etc. if

you went on the kind of fast you describe.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Sorry Bee, perhaps I was not clear with my question and that I had read all of

this and realize that I am going to be malnourished myself for the short time.

My question is while fasting like this, what will my yeast be living on? Will

it not increase the die off to fast?

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> So I have always tried to fast 4 times a year and it always seems

to make me feel better when ever I do it and I do know from doing

yoga that it does make my body more limber. I also do it for

religious reasons and I know this is not a group for that

discussion. I do it when I go to Harbin hot springs. I have read

the sites warning against fasting, but my question is, if one is

eating nothing but water and one leads themselves into that fact by

just eating something clean like raw spinach or lettus or celery,

goes that not starve yeast and add to the die off?

==>Hi Bob. This is from my article " Not Recommended Treatments,

Supplements, etc. " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn22.php

Fasting is intended to give the body a rest and/or to allow it to

clear out toxins and wastes. However, while your body is fasting it

is also not getting the nutrients it needs for healing and energy. It

is more important to give the body what it needs to affect healing,

allowing it to cleanse as it sees fit.

Every day between meals your body needs to fast so it can assimilate

and utilize the nutrients without having to direct its energies

towards digesting more food. That is why snacking is not recommended.

Some people do a type of fasting where they only consume the raw egg

drink for a few days at a time.

That is not considered " true fasting " and it wouldn't cause problems

because you would be getting plenty of nutrients and energy.

Also, candida sufferers start out being malnourished, with candida

interfering with digestion and utilization of nutrients, and all of

their body's cells have gone rigid by candida toxins which makes it

harder for nutrients to get in and for wastes and toxins to get out.

There wouldn't be enough nutrients from raw spinach, celery, etc. if

you went on the kind of fast you describe.

Bee

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[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry Bee, perhaps I was not clear with my question and that I had

read all of this and realize that I am going to be malnourished myself

for the short time. My question is while fasting like this, what will

my yeast be living on? Will it not increase the die off to fast?

==>Hi Bob. What do you mean " while fasting like this? " Are you

referring to your fasting method or something I wrote?

Bee

[Guest guest]

by " fasthing like this " I meant fasting like I said I would, a day or two of

green leafy things, then a few days of just water, my question is, willl that

not be deadly to the yeast in me? No sugar, not a single carb! I know that I

will be malnurished, but will I not be in overdrive as far as just straving

yeast?

Thanks Bob

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> Sorry Bee, perhaps I was not clear with my question and that I had

read all of this and realize that I am going to be malnourished myself

for the short time. My question is while fasting like this, what will

my yeast be living on? Will it not increase the die off to fast?

==>Hi Bob. What do you mean " while fasting like this? " Are you

referring to your fasting method or something I wrote?

Bee

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

Here's my thoughts from things I've read. Maybe Bee has more data.

Candida problems don't go away rapidly. For most people it takes many

months of diet to starve them off. Being on a fast for that length of

time could be dangerous.

Dr. Atkins and others have indicated that if you're eating a diet with

proteins and fat but not much carbohydrates, your body will first burn up

the carbs stored in it and then the fat. It has to have some protein to

do that.

People who fast aren't getting sufficient protein. The body then looks to

itself to get protein in order to burn the fat. The source is the body's

muscles. So by fasting for any length of time, you're going to wither

away your muscles.

Fasting for a short time may have some benefits but I don't think it will

make a serious dent in the candida population.

Zack

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Bob wrote:

> by " fasthing like this " I meant fasting like I said I would, a day or two of

green leafy things, then a few days of just water, my question is, willl that

not be deadly to the yeast in me? No sugar, not a single carb! I know that I

will be malnurished, but will I not be in overdrive as far as just straving

yeast?

>

> Thanks Bob

>

> Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Sorry Bee, perhaps I was not clear with my question and that I had

> read all of this and realize that I am going to be malnourished myself

> for the short time. My question is while fasting like this, what will

> my yeast be living on? Will it not increase the die off to fast?

>

> ==>Hi Bob. What do you mean " while fasting like this? " Are you

> referring to your fasting method or something I wrote?

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Most of what you mention I have already read, but my question remains, while

eating nothing, what will the yeast live on??? I am 6 ' and come in at 228 so

I am not worried about loosing some muscle mass or protean, I am just asking

what will the yeast live on? If someone has an answer to this ? specifically it

would be good! Thanks

Thanks, Bob

Zack Widup <w9sz@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Here's my thoughts from things I've read. Maybe Bee has more data.

Candida problems don't go away rapidly. For most people it takes many

months of diet to starve them off. Being on a fast for that length of

time could be dangerous.

Dr. Atkins and others have indicated that if you're eating a diet with

proteins and fat but not much carbohydrates, your body will first burn up

the carbs stored in it and then the fat. It has to have some protein to

do that.

People who fast aren't getting sufficient protein. The body then looks to

itself to get protein in order to burn the fat. The source is the body's

muscles. So by fasting for any length of time, you're going to wither

away your muscles.

Fasting for a short time may have some benefits but I don't think it will

make a serious dent in the candida population.

Zack

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Bob wrote:

> by " fasthing like this " I meant fasting like I said I would, a day or two of

green leafy things, then a few days of just water, my question is, willl that

not be deadly to the yeast in me? No sugar, not a single carb! I know that I

will be malnurished, but will I not be in overdrive as far as just straving

yeast?

>

> Thanks Bob

>

> Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Sorry Bee, perhaps I was not clear with my question and that I had

> read all of this and realize that I am going to be malnourished myself

> for the short time. My question is while fasting like this, what will

> my yeast be living on? Will it not increase the die off to fast?

>

> ==>Hi Bob. What do you mean " while fasting like this? " Are you

> referring to your fasting method or something I wrote?

>

> Bee

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> by " fasthing like this " I meant fasting like I said I would, a day

or two of green leafy things, then a few days of just water, my

question is, willl that not be deadly to the yeast in me? No sugar,

not a single carb! I know that I will be malnurished, but will I

not be in overdrive as far as just straving yeast?

==>Hi Bob. Thank you for the clarification. Curing candida is not a

matter of " getting rid of, or killing off, " candida overgrowth, so

starving it out, and also starving yourself, won't help you.

To cure candida you need to build up your immune system with the

nutrients your body requires so it will be able to keep candida " in

check " the way it is supposed to be. When your immune system becomes

strong enough candida will revert back to being just a normal

friendly round yeast form like it is supposed to be, and it won't be

overgrowing any longer.

I hope that helps.

Bee

[Guest guest]

--- Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > by " fasthing like this " I meant fasting like I

> said I would, a day

> or two of green leafy things, then a few days of

> just water, my

> question is, willl that not be deadly to the yeast

> in me? No sugar,

> not a single carb! I know that I will be

> malnurished, but will I

> not be in overdrive as far as just straving yeast?

Bob,

If you have any doubt, I once did a fast for 2 months

straight on nothing but water.. not a bite of any food

let alone foods that feed candida.

It was a stupid idea to try and lose weight, and I

ended up looking like crap and lowering my metabolism,

and I still have candida.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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[Guest guest]

I read the " Coconut Cures " book and it mentions fasting for a few days

consuming only 10-12 Tbsp/CO a day plus stevia sweetened lemonade. I

was thinking about doing this...would this be a good way to fast? I

feel like it would be better than a juice fast as I am still nursing a

toddler (I would only do a 3 day fast, if I could make it that long).

[Guest guest]

>

> I read the " Coconut Cures " book and it mentions fasting for a few days

> consuming only 10-12 Tbsp/CO a day plus stevia sweetened lemonade. I

> was thinking about doing this...would this be a good way to fast?

> ,

it's great if you like diarrhea.

tb

[Guest guest]

On 7/12/07, tarinya2 <tarinya2@...> wrote:

> I read the " Coconut Cures " book and it mentions fasting for a few days

> consuming only 10-12 Tbsp/CO a day plus stevia sweetened lemonade. I

> was thinking about doing this...would this be a good way to fast? I

> feel like it would be better than a juice fast as I am still nursing a

> toddler (I would only do a 3 day fast, if I could make it that long).

>

>

I'm curious as to why you want to fast while nursing?

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Luther

[Guest guest]

>

> > I read the " Coconut Cures " book and it mentions fasting for a

few days

> > consuming only 10-12 Tbsp/CO a day plus stevia sweetened

lemonade. I

> > was thinking about doing this...would this be a good way to

fast? I

> > feel like it would be better than a juice fast as I am still

nursing a

> > toddler (I would only do a 3 day fast, if I could make it that

long).

> >

> >

>

> I'm curious as to why you want to fast while nursing?

Because I'm having some digestive problems that are pretty resistant

to anything I've tried to do to clear them up, and I'll probably be

pregnant again when I wean my DD, so it's either try a short fast

while nursing a toddler, or none at all as I can't fast while

pregnant. I know it's not recommended to fast while nursing, but I

don't see how it's any different than not being able to eat for a

few days during a stomach bug (which happened when my DD was 11

months old)...plus DD gets enough calories from solids that if the

quality of the milk isn't great for a few days it shouldn't be a big

deal.

[Guest guest]

,

> > I'm curious as to why you want to fast while nursing?

>

> Because I'm having some digestive problems that are pretty resistant

> to anything I've tried to do to clear them up, and I'll probably be

> pregnant again when I wean my DD, so it's either try a short fast

> while nursing a toddler, or none at all as I can't fast while

> pregnant. I know it's not recommended to fast while nursing, but I

> don't see how it's any different than not being able to eat for a

> few days during a stomach bug (which happened when my DD was 11

> months old)...plus DD gets enough calories from solids that if the

> quality of the milk isn't great for a few days it shouldn't be a big

> deal.

>

>

In that case, if it were me, I would do a lemon water fast with 9

parts distilled water to one part lemon juice. I would take a glass of

water alternated with a glass of lemon water every half hour. I would

add either maple syrup or honey to the lemon water mixture.

I personally would not do Bruce Fife's protocol for the reason TB

mentioned in a previous post. I have learned from personal experience

that much of any product of the coconut will have you in the bathroom

a *lot* when taken in that amount. I think I mentioned that awhile

back when was following the protocol.

I thought when I read your post you were probably in a position where

an opportunity to fast might be slim and none. Thanks for clarifying

that.

I have a much longer post on fasting in response to what posted

but since I am no longer on vacation (and spent most of that in a

thread I had no intention of devoting any time to) my posts will be

coming much slower.

--

" Who loves not women, wine and song remains a fool his whole life long. "

Luther

[Guest guest]

I thought you were salicylate sensitive? Loading up on CO and stevia isn't

going to help that one bit...

-Lana

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On 7/12/07, tarinya2 <tarinya2@... > wrote:

>

> I read the " Coconut Cures " book and it mentions fasting for a few days

> consuming only 10-12 Tbsp/CO a day plus stevia sweetened lemonade. I

> was thinking about doing this...would this be a good way to fast? I

> feel like it would be better than a juice fast as I am still nursing a

> toddler (I would only do a 3 day fast, if I could make it that long).

>

>

>