Intro

November 4, 2001

At 04:36 PM 11/03/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi,

>I'm Tonya,32, happily married to Dale for 11 yrs. I'm a SAHM to daughter

> (8) sons Mitchel (5 1/2) and (3) and baby due 11/18. We did

>the mainstream vacc schedules with all 3 and it's only been recently that

>I've been reading about the controversies, etc to vaccines. I plan to

>selectively and also delay vax with this one - and because of the

>proximity to my due date, am most curious right now about Vit K and Hep.

>B. We don't know if we're having a girl or a boy, and right now my dh

>wants the baby circ'd if it is a boy - whick from what I understand we

>would need vitK. (he has promised to read a couple things I've printed

>for him re: circ though...) anyhow, any input on this would be very

>helpful.

>Thanks!

>Tonya

SERIOUS dangers with hep b

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/hepatitisb.htm

Be preapred to have someone constantly with the baby besides you and make

it clear that YOU DO NOT WANT the vaccine, if that is what you decide

Welcome

--------------------------------------------------------

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November 4, 2001

In a message dated 11-03-01 6:41:25 PM Central Standard Time,

dtwalter@... writes:

<< We don't know if we're having a girl or a boy, and right now my dh

wants the baby circ'd if it is a boy - whick from what I understand we

would need vitK. >>

Tonya,

Only if you circumcise before the 8th day, will you need the Vitamin K shot.

Kim

November 4, 2001

Welcome Sue! I'm Ling from Singapore, with occipital neuralgia and type2

diabetes. Please feel free to talk whenever you want to, this group is

really very supportive!

Ling

intro

Hi everybody !

I have just joined this list.

My name is Sue, I live in Germany and I suffer with asthma.

I have very big problems accepting my illness.

For the time being I guess that I will just be *lurking* and learning

from other list members.

Best wishes

Sue

November 4, 2001

Tpnya - I've done TONS of research into circumcision

because I DON'T believe in it and have looked up so

much info for others I love and their dear sons. I

have NEVER come across anything that mentioned needing

vit K for circumcision, and I know moehls don't even

ask!! Is it possible that your ped is using the circ

issue to strongarm you into vit K? If there is a

connection I'd love to know about it.

a in MA

--- Tonya Walter <dtwalter@...> wrote:

> right now my dh

> wants the baby circ'd if it is a boy - whick from

> what I understand we

> would need vitK. (he has promised to read a couple

> things I've printed

> for him re: circ though...) anyhow, any input on

> this would be very

> helpful.

> Thanks!

> Tonya

>

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November 4, 2001

they push vitamin k as a clotting issue. Both of my sons were

circumcised... I'm just guessing that they had vit. k shot ... see how much

I didn't know then? I didnt' even know that they gave vit k until recently.

Just out of curiousity... if it's a vitamin injection.... why is it a bad

thing. I've read many of you having denied this one at birth. Is there

something else in it that makes it dangerous?

November 4, 2001

Hi Sue,

Welcome to the group ) Everyone here is very supportive and caring!! (

I'm sorry to hear that you have asthma. ( Are you on any meds? Do you

have a good doctor or a pulmonologist (lol YIKES not sure about the

spelling usually just say Pulmo lol)? I have severe persistent asthma. How

have you been doing? Take care okay!!!

Jessi ()

November 4, 2001

A good way to avoid the Hep B vaccine in the hospital is to tell the staff

that you want the baby to receive all vaccinations at your pediatrician's

office. (You still have to be hypervigilant, but if they think you're just

waiting a day or two, instead of not giving it at all, they ease up a

little.)

Goldmeer

<<

SERIOUS dangers with hep b

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/hepatitisb.htm

Be preapred to have someone constantly with the baby besides you and make

it clear that YOU DO NOT WANT the vaccine, if that is what you decide

>>

November 5, 2001

Just from what I know from my research on Vitamin K - you can eat alot of

things with K in them in your last few weeks (green leafys etc...) and that

it will pass to baby.

November 30, 2001

Hi Tom,

We have a specialist nurse for looked after children here in Harrow, who has

just recently been appointed and takes up post on the 6th of Januaary. I am

sure she would be delighted for you to contact her, her name is Sue Westbury

and her telephone number untill the 6th is 020-89056220. Good luck with the

research.

.

> intro

>

> Hi, I'd like to introduce myself and post a request. My name is Tom

> e and I'm a registered mental nurse. I'm employed by UCL as a

> research fellow and have been working in the field of self-harm and

> younger people. I'm currently involved in a project with school

> nursing colleagues as well as colleagues from other health and

> social services. I'm hoping to develop a research proposal

> addressing the role of specialist nurses working with looked-after

> children. If it comes off, the research would start sometime towards

> the end of next year. I would hope to interview as many as possible

> specialist nurses working in this particular area. I would be

> grateful if any such specialists would contact me directly - please

> dont reply to the mailing list. Do get in touch if you are out

> there. I might add that doing so will not commit you to anything.

>

December 4, 2001

Hi Tom

There is a nurse doing just that in Norfolk. Her name is Sheila Hopps. I

am not sure of her tel. no. but you could track her down through Norwich

City PCT 01603 711227. If you have any problems do get back to me.

Charlene

intro

> >

> > Hi, I'd like to introduce myself and post a request. My name is Tom

> > e and I'm a registered mental nurse. I'm employed by UCL as a

> > research fellow and have been working in the field of self-harm and

> > younger people. I'm currently involved in a project with school

> > nursing colleagues as well as colleagues from other health and

> > social services. I'm hoping to develop a research proposal

> > addressing the role of specialist nurses working with looked-after

> > children. If it comes off, the research would start sometime towards

> > the end of next year. I would hope to interview as many as possible

> > specialist nurses working in this particular area. I would be

> > grateful if any such specialists would contact me directly - please

> > dont reply to the mailing list. Do get in touch if you are out

> > there. I might add that doing so will not commit you to anything.

> >

December 5, 2001

, Please consider going to my website, as well as Sheri's

(http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ) and 's at whale.to

(http://www.whale.to/ ).

Sandy from Alaska

www.vaccinationnews.com

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REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

intro

Hi,

My name is and I am a 26yr old SAHM to my 20 month old son, Alaric.

Up to now he has been fully vacinated but he is scheduled for MMR and

Varicella. I am interested in links to research about these vaccines and

wether or not they are necessary at this time.

Thanks,

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December 6, 2001

, think very very carefully about the MMR. Especially if your child has

been fully vaccinated. There is a ton of information on it. Go to google.com.

type in MMR vaccine, and there begins your search. Also look on sheri nakkens

webpage. i dont know the address off hand.

Also go to google and type in Wakefield and you will see much research

done on the MMR, autism etc.

reconsider this vaccine, or at least be educated first. good for you for

wondering about it!

Kim

In a message dated 12/5/2001 9:25:52 PM Central Standard Time,

l_loftus@... writes:

> Subj: intro

> Date:12/5/2001 9:25:52 PM Central Standard Time

> From: l_loftus@... ( Loftus)

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A>

> Vaccinations

>

> Hi,

> My name is and I am a 26yr old SAHM to my 20 month old son, Alaric.

> Up to now he has been fully vacinated but he is scheduled for MMR and

> Varicella. I am interested in links to research about these vaccines and

> wether or not they are necessary at this time.

> Thanks,

> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

> http://explorer.msn.com

>

December 6, 2001

,

I cannot point you anywhere better than what you'll find here.

I would like to share some personal experience on chicken pox. All FOUR of

my children came down with cp this past winter. None of them were given the

vaccine. Believe it or not, my ped did not support it because she wanted

her girl patients to have life long immunity and get it the old fashioned

way to protect them in their childbearing years. I have two girls and two

boys. 8, 6, 4 in Jan, and 2 in Feb.

The first to get it was the 6yr old girl. She was the index case and did

really well. She was sicker than what I had counted on, but the first

couple of days she slept ALOT, had moderate temp., and a good breakout.

(Which remember, YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE A GOOD BREAKOUT) Real warm showers,

soft light, and keeping bundled up will promote the child from developing

them internally, which you DO NOT want.<wink>

Next in line, 12 days later was the my oldest son who was getting ready to

turn three at the time. We were concerned about him because he has severe

eczema and there was a threat of infection, which he did get and was treated

for with antibiotics. Again, temp, good outbreak, lots of sleep. A little

worse than the first one but manageable.

Next one was the oldest, 14 days after the first one. OH MY GOODNESS! Each

case was getting more severe than the one before it. She had strep throat

on top of chicken pox! She was very sick, feverish, lethargic, but she had

a good outbreak and some staff, but after the initial stress she was fine

too. She was treated for the strep and we rode it out.

Now comes the baby. He was only 10 and a half months old. We are talking

severe cp! He was covered from head to toe. He too had eczema and it turned

out to be more serious with him. Cellulitis took over his left eye, his

thumb and fingers, the other hand, and two or three other places on his

body. The poor little guys was miserable and by this time I was extremely

exhausted. He was more feverish than the others and I knew to be concerned.

His hands and eye were so swollen. We went to see the dr. and he was

immediately put in the hospital for iv antibiotics. Three days later we

were back home, healing was taking place and the worst was finally over.

HOORAY!! We got it, and we got it over with. The first case was easy and

then each one after got worse, but it is something that I will never have to

worry about again. As bad as we had it, and as much as I know now, I am so

happy that they had the real thing. Gather all you can on the vaccine.

Hope you guys don't mind me sharing that.

Angelia

intro

> Hi,

> My name is and I am a 26yr old SAHM to my 20 month old son, Alaric.

Up to now he has been fully vacinated but he is scheduled for MMR and

Varicella. I am interested in links to research about these vaccines and

wether or not they are necessary at this time.

> Thanks,

> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

>

December 6, 2001

my niece's son that had them after the vaccine was just covered head to

toe.... I had also seen it that way when I worked daycare. A couple of the

kids got it within 2 weeks of the vx .... What a waste in my humble

opinion.

intro

>

> > Hi,

> > My name is and I am a 26yr old SAHM to my 20 month old son,

Alaric.

> Up to now he has been fully vacinated but he is scheduled for MMR and

> Varicella. I am interested in links to research about these vaccines and

> wether or not they are necessary at this time.

> > Thanks,

> > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

> http://explorer.msn.com

> >

December 6, 2001

Thanks for sharing that - whew, what you went through. I wish you had

known about homeopathy at the time - homeopathy can assist and PREVENT

these type of complications!

Glad they are well.

Sheri

At 12:58 PM 12/06/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>,

>

>I cannot point you anywhere better than what you'll find here.

>

>I would like to share some personal experience on chicken pox. All FOUR of

>my children came down with cp this past winter. None of them were given the

>vaccine. Believe it or not, my ped did not support it because she wanted

>her girl patients to have life long immunity and get it the old fashioned

>way to protect them in their childbearing years. I have two girls and two

>boys. 8, 6, 4 in Jan, and 2 in Feb.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

December 6, 2001

In a message dated 12/6/01 5:06:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

aoakes2@... writes:

> " If you have any questions, please feel free to ask " , just one, Will you

> pick up Sherri on your way to my house?

>

AND ME

Welcome to the list Angelia!! (Lovely name)

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER

December 6, 2001

Sheri,

I wish I had known so much more then as well. It was doing the research

about cp that led me to an AP site where I came across all the dangers of

vaccs in the first place.

I am still new to this whole non-vaccs practice and I am very frightened.

My oldest daughter has asthma. She is anaphylactic to milk, has

environmental allergies and has been receiving allergy shots for 4 years

now. I feel almost embarrassed to put that out here but I right now I am

very weak, mentally. We just came from the drs. office and I was confronted

about the baby again.

I had taken in a few of the articles I have gotten here. I was informed

they were " yellow journalism " and not scientifically based. I know I need a

new dr for the kids but I don't have much support in finding a new one.

I never had even heard of Homeopathy until I signed up here.:-( Now I am in

information overload and don't know where to turn to for help in processing

it all. I really don't even know the right questions to ask. I've been

taking the boys to an allergist and now he has been called in by our Ped to

" gang up on me " and railroad me into giving the baby the DTaP and the polio.

At one point this afternoon I could see the frustration in the drs. face

when once she threw up her hands and turned her back to me. hehehe, I must

have said something that tweaked a nerve, huh?

Lots to process and lots to learn.

So glad to be a part of the wealth of info here.

Angelia (spelled incorrectly in addy because I did not take the time when

ordering service to tell them about the " i " .

Re: intro

> Thanks for sharing that - whew, what you went through. I wish you had

> known about homeopathy at the time - homeopathy can assist and PREVENT

> these type of complications!

>

> Glad they are well.

> Sheri

>

> At 12:58 PM 12/06/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> >,

> >

> >I cannot point you anywhere better than what you'll find here.

> >

> >I would like to share some personal experience on chicken pox. All FOUR

of

> >my children came down with cp this past winter. None of them were given

the

> >vaccine. Believe it or not, my ped did not support it because she wanted

> >her girl patients to have life long immunity and get it the old fashioned

> >way to protect them in their childbearing years. I have two girls and

two

> >boys. 8, 6, 4 in Jan, and 2 in Feb.

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

December 6, 2001

Angelia, You might also want to consider trying to cure your daugher of her

allergies by using naet (www.naet.com). I have successfully used this

non-invasive method, which is based on oriental medicine, to cure many very

problematic allergies. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.