Intro

February 10, 2002

How exciting your beginning a family! Your dogs need some one to play with.

Hee-hee

You should find this is a very informative active group. It's a comfort to be a

part of being that non- vaxxers are of the minority. lots of support.

Welcome

C

continentalstyle2001 <davenet@...> wrote: Hi,

I live in Vancouver Canada with my husband and four naturally raised

unvaccinated pets. We are planning our first child so no better time

to start learning about this topic specific to humans. It was a

tough decision to not vaccinate our dogs, one we certainly do not

regret but have faced allot of critisizm for. I cannot imagine the

challenges that come when one decides to go the same route with a

child. I was very happy to find this group and for the first while

will enjoy reading back in the posts and files to begin the learning:)

Annette

Vancouver BC

February 10, 2002

Thank you for the warm welcomes everyone:) Kathleen we share a very

similar story! Our first Great Dane was three years ago and before

getting him I researched raw feeding/natural raising and through my

search for information on this I started thinking about human

vaccination...great how these silent family members can lead us to so

much knowledge!!

Annette

> Welcome to the Group.

>

> Thought I'd mention that I have my dogs to thank for alerting me to

vaccines.

> I became interested in canine nutrition and natural rearing and

came across

> all the info that said animal vaccines were bad.

>

> So fast forward several years, I'm thinking of getting pregnant and

figure I

> best start researching human vaccines. I assumed that people

vaccines were a

> good thing even though I knew the animal ones were bad news. A

couple books

> later and Sheri showing me the light on tetanus (and maybe polio, I

can't

> remember now) I knew people vaccines were no better. Actually I

think they

> must be worse because they seem to kill more frequently and since

humans live

> longer, there's lots of time for the vaccine damage to make itself

known.

>

> Kathleen

> Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A

HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A>

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm <A

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination

Information & Choice

> Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization Dangers</A>

> www.vaccinationnews.com <A

HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page 1</A>

>

> If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at

least once

> in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. ~ René

Descartes 1596

> -1650

>

> In a message dated 2/10/2002 5:28:08 PM Central Standard Time,

> davenet@s... writes:

>

> > Hi,

> > I live in Vancouver Canada with my husband and four naturally

raised

> > unvaccinated pets. We are planning our first child so no better

time

> > to start learning about this topic specific to humans. It was a

> > tough decision to not vaccinate our dogs, one we certainly do not

> > regret but have faced allot of critisizm for. I cannot imagine

the

> > challenges that come when one decides to go the same route with a

> > child. I was very happy to find this group and for the first

while

> > will enjoy reading back in the posts and files to begin the

learning:)

> > Annette

> > Vancouver BC

> >

>

> Kathleen

> Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A

HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A>

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm <A

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination

Information & Choice

> Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization Dangers</A>

> www.vaccinationnews.com <A

HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page 1</A>

>

> If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at

least once

> in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. ~ René

Descartes 1596

> -1650

>

February 13, 2002

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Dee

-- Re: Intro

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February 14, 2002

At 01:02 AM 03/07/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Everybody,

>I am a mommy of four. Josh is 3, Annette is 2, Caleb is 1 and Baby

>Brent is 4 months. I am just now learning about all the not so good

>things about Vaccinating I want to learn all I can since I still

>have my little Brent and maybe more in the future. I am glad that my

>kiddos seem to not have any reactions (so far) Although my Caleb does

>have allergies. (anyone know of some links for allergys)

Yes, allergies are very possibly related to vaccinations, as well as ear

infections and much more

My Annette

>has a speech problem.

That too very well could be vaccines.

We often think we don't have reactions and then when we start looking.

We are taking her to her first appt this month

>to get her tested. She is 2 1/2 and still cannot pronounce words very

>well. Please is eese and Thank You is ank ou. Just some examples.

>

>Looking forward to learning from you all

>Blessings,

><><

>P.S. My mother in law has always said negative things about

>vaccinations, but I have never listend too much, because of the way

>she says it. You know the MIL advice. I think I am ready to learn all

>I can know. I just got sick of her always telling me how to raise my

>children If anyone can relate

>

In this case you have a wise MIL!

As you will learn on this list, I talk a lot about homeopathy and how it

can cure such things as you've mentioned above.

Welcome

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

March 6, 2002

Welcome to the group ! You'll learn a lot here. Sheri Nakken, the

moderator has her own web site, as well as Sandy Mintz. If you go down to

their signatures in their posts you will find the links.

Your comment about your daughter's speech development caught my eye. I have a

2.9 year old who's pronunciation is not perfect.

Here is a link regarding speech development.

<A HREF= " http://members.tripod.com/Caroline_Bowen/acquisition.html " >Normal

speech development - Caroline Bowen</A>

March 6, 2002

Hi, !

As for not having had any reactions, you describe two of your children, Caleb

and Annette, as having problems that are considered classic vaccine-induced

reactions/injuries.

First, allergies can be the result of the DPT vaccine at a minimum. Second,

speech and language problems are associated with Thimerosal, the preservative

that has been used in many vaccines that is almost 50% Mercury.

That is the simple answer, but the real answer is probably more complicated

depending upon which vaccines they have received and what was in them. The

reactions that they have also depends upon their individual genetics.

It is important to know your children's vaccination history so that you can

identify which vaccines they have had and what those vaccines contained. Your

pediatrician is required by law to keep those records, and you can request a

copy of them.

There has been some good research done so that we now know a lot. For instance,

the DPT allergy connection can be made when we realize that allergies are a Th 2

immune reaction, which DPT provokes specifically. There are only two types of

immune reactions, Th 1 and Th 2, and normal people are primarily Th 1

responders, with the ability to have a Th 2 response when specifically provoked.

But people who have persistent and chronic allergies are having predominantly Th

2 responses, and its as if they can't turn this off. It's just always on, which

plays havoc with their health.

As to the Thimerosal issue, there is a lot of information available now as to

the kinds of problems that Mercury poisoning produces. However, the good news

is that this damage could be substantially corrected by chelation therapy, with

young children having the best chance of successful recovery.

There are many other things that can be discussed regarding the effects of the

various childhood vaccines (not to mention anti-biotics), but the bottom line is

that your children will definitely be healthier without them. This is a great

place to begin to learn about the issues.

Intro

Hi Everybody,

I am a mommy of four. Josh is 3, Annette is 2, Caleb is 1 and Baby

Brent is 4 months. I am just now learning about all the not so good

things about Vaccinating I want to learn all I can since I still

have my little Brent and maybe more in the future. I am glad that my

kiddos seem to not have any reactions (so far) Although my Caleb does

have allergies. (anyone know of some links for allergys) My Annette

has a speech problem. We are taking her to her first appt this month

to get her tested. She is 2 1/2 and still cannot pronounce words very

well. Please is eese and Thank You is ank ou. Just some examples.

Looking forward to learning from you all

Blessings,

<><

P.S. My mother in law has always said negative things about

vaccinations, but I have never listend too much, because of the way

she says it. You know the MIL advice. I think I am ready to learn all

I can know. I just got sick of her always telling me how to raise my

children If anyone can relate

March 22, 2002

Hello Carolyn. My name is Davina. I have 3 kids. Kyron 9; Kyrell will be 6 in

April (ds); and Kierra 4. Welcome to the group.

March 22, 2002

welcome to the group carolyn, my name is sherri and I have 2 children Tayler

ds(boy) be 4 in aug and Cierra 2

intro

> Hi everyone, just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Carolyn and my

son

> with ds is Chase who will be four in April. I also have another son Will

who

> will be 7 in April. Chase attends preschool full time and receives all of

> his therapies there. Looking forward to reading about what you all hav to

> say.

>

March 22, 2002

Welcome Carolyn and Chase, We look forward to getting to know you and

hearing what you have to say also!!!

Loree

intro

> Hi everyone, just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Carolyn and my

son

> with ds is Chase who will be four in April. I also have another son Will

who

> will be 7 in April. Chase attends preschool full time and receives all of

> his therapies there. Looking forward to reading about what you all hav to

> say.

>

March 23, 2002

<<Hello everyone,

My name is Lynn and I am mom to . She is 17 months old. She is our only

child. I look forward to getting to know all of you.

Thanks>>

Hi Lynn and welcome!

gee, 17 months! I love the name ! I hope you spend some time here and

tell us lots about her! I can barely remember when Ted was 17 months...He

is going to be 11 in June. I love him so much! He is in his room dancing

to Simmon's exercise tape ~ the Cha Cha Slide! He has 25 tapes we

bought used off of ebay! It is fun! He is my youngest son and has 2 big

brothers 21 and 18!

Gail

ps. I'm including the cyberport link that Ted was on...so I'm hoping he is

still there and I hear that the Saturday night chat at 8pm est is wonderful

and I'm going to try to be there tonight. Hope there are some of you out

there that read this that will come also!

http://www.cyberportlounge.com/weeklyspotlight.htm

http://www.emandan.freeserve.co.uk/ted.htm

March 23, 2002

Hello Lynn. Welcome to the group. My name is Davina, mom of 3. Kyron 9;kyrell

will be 6 April(ds); and Kierra 4. I hope you enjoy all the posts.

March 27, 2002

It is ok to rant. Rant away, that is what we are here for. Take it one day at a

time.Exercise is also part of the key. If you are not exercising already, start

slow and easy. Walking is great. I started walking again today, what a great way

to relieve stress.

Good luck and we are here for you.

Take care

April 7, 2002

Hi everyone!

My name is Amy, 25, and I'm a SAHM to nearly 3 yo Accalia and

expecting a little one in August. At this point, we do not plan to

vaccinate the baby, and we've stopped vaccinating Accalia - quite

some

time ago actually. Accalia was vax'ed according to schedule through 9

months and then received a few vaxes after that. Her last one was the

individual measles and that was more than a year ago. I guess my dh

and I are still trying to figure it all out and have decided to not

do

anything else right now.

I hope to learn a lot from everyone!

Amy in South Dakota

Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and lovey due 8/25/02

April 30, 2002

Verywise choice to join us. ANY TIME YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS IS THE PLACE

TO GO . SOMEONE HERE WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.

DEBBIE

Intro

>>I am expecting our second child now, and DH and I have begun to question

things more, including vaccinations. I hope to learn a lot here, in order

to make more informed decisions.

-Tara<<

Hey Tara! Glad to see you over here. You'll learn a lot, I'm sure. Start with

Sherri's website http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm and Sandy's website:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com and there's a ton more. Or just sit back and

read away!

April 30, 2002

HEY TARA !

WELCOME ABOARD TOO! I AM FAIRLY NEW TO THIS SITE BUT NOT THE VACCINE ISSUE . I

HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING EVER SINCE MY NOW DAUGHTER 2 1/2 HAD BAD REACTIONS AT 15

MONTHS.

Intro

>>I am expecting our second child now, and DH and I have begun to question

things more, including vaccinations. I hope to learn a lot here, in order

to make more informed decisions.

-Tara<<

Hey Tara! Glad to see you over here. You'll learn a lot, I'm sure. Start with

Sherri's website http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm and Sandy's website:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com and there's a ton more. Or just sit back and

read away!

May 1, 2002

Debbie,

Welcome, great to see you questioning. You will find this site invaluable, and

the people on it incredibly helpful and supportive........

Joanna

Debbie Grater <debbiehaven@...> wrote: Verywise choice to join us. ANY

TIME YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS IS THE PLACE TO GO . SOMEONE HERE WILL BE ABLE

TO HELP YOU.

DEBBIE

Intro

>>I am expecting our second child now, and DH and I have begun to question

things more, including vaccinations. I hope to learn a lot here, in order

to make more informed decisions.

-Tara<<

Hey Tara! Glad to see you over here. You'll learn a lot, I'm sure. Start with

Sherri's website http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm and Sandy's website:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com and there's a ton more. Or just sit back and

read away!

May 7, 2002

famli4mary@... wrote:

>Hi,

> My name is Dani. . She was born in 1950 and everytime she >hears

>about someone who refuses to have their kids vaccinated, she >talks about the

>polio epidemics of the 50's. She gets very angry.

Dani,

The only organ of the human body capable of producing anti-bodies to fight the

polio virus is in the tonsils. If you think about the medical drive to

routinely pull our tonsils (get your whole family done and get a discount!!!) of

the 30's, 40's and 50's....it's no wonder poilio emerged. There is much

evidence to back this up on the internet...

Joanna

---------------------------------

May 7, 2002

You have cool names for your kids!

I joined an organic produce co-op. It costs $20-23 per week and I get so

much I have to split the share with another mom. A friend of mine found a

organic distributor. We put in an order (typical order is: apples, bananas,

salad greens, kiwis, peppers, zucchinis, onions, potatoes). She increases it

by twelve shares or people at a time (twelve pick up at her house, and

twelve at her co-op partner's. We get the food in cases and divide it at

someone's house. She always has a waiting list and the food's great. It

really gets beat up in the store! It's actually getting to be pretty

popular, I hear. Check into it and see if you can join (or start)one in your

area. Good Luck!

Boy do I hear you about that hindsight re vaxxing. It's painful!

H

----------

>From: famli4mary@...

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Intro

>Date: Tue, May 7, 2002, 7:48 PM

>

>Hi,

> My name is Dani. I have 4 children. I just started reading about the whole

>vaccination thing while I was pregnant with my youngest who is 3 mos old. I

>feel real guilty about having my other 3 vaxed.

> I can relate to the whole family thing. I haven't told my mother that we

>decided not to vax and I won't. She was born in 1950 and everytime she hears

>about someone who refuses to have their kids vaccinated, she talks about the

>polio epidemics of the 50's. She gets very angry.

> OK, I have a question for you guys. I am reading and about to consult a

>homeopathic doctor. I am reading more about strengthening the immune system

>through organic vegetables, good water, less sugar etc. Organic vegetables

>are expensive, but I do the best I can. If I cannot commit to a healthier

>lifestyle, is it still better not to vax? I think I know the answer, but

>perhaps need reassurance.

>

>Dani

>wife to Josh

>Mom to

>na (3.29.93)

>Ian Gennaro (10.12.95)

>Francisco Augustine (4.22.99)

> Kolbe Leon (1.29.02)

>

May 7, 2002

I mentioned that to the Urologist Fri and he said he wasn't aware that was

still a theory. Besides the coincidence of tonsillectomies and polio, do

you have other links supporting this theory? I believe it is so along with

spraying and sugar consumption,etc.

Laurie>Oh

> The only organ of the human body capable of producing anti-bodies to fight

the polio virus is in the tonsils. If you think about the medical drive to

routinely pull our tonsils of the 30's, 40's and 50's....it's no wonder

poilio emerged. There is much evidence to back this up on the internet...

>

> Joanna

May 7, 2002

In a message dated 05/07/2002 22:13:11 Eastern Daylight Time,

maxx-susan@... writes:

> Check into it and see if you can join (or start)one in your

> area. Good Luck!

>

I am going to do that! Thanx for the info-and for the compliment about my

children's names!

Dani

wife to Josh

Mom to

na (3.29.93)

Ian Gennaro (10.12.95)

Francisco Augustine (4.22.99)

Kolbe Leon (1.29.02)

May 8, 2002

At 07:48 PM 05/07/2002 EDT, you wrote:

>Hi,

> My name is Dani. I have 4 children. I just started reading about the whole

>vaccination thing while I was pregnant with my youngest who is 3 mos old. I

>feel real guilty about having my other 3 vaxed.

> I can relate to the whole family thing. I haven't told my mother that we

>decided not to vax and I won't. She was born in 1950 and everytime she hears

>about someone who refuses to have their kids vaccinated, she talks about the

>polio epidemics of the 50's. She gets very angry.

I've spoken with you earlier and welcome. I TOO was born in 1950 and know

the truth! So have her talk to me.

She can't even remember the polio epidemic. It was on the wane when she

was 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years old The vacccine came out 1 year after it already

was on the decline in 1955 and people started dying seriously from the

vaccine (called the Cutter incident). Might want to read my webpages on polio

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm

BUT NOT bring it up with your mother. Just wanted you to know some of us

born in 1950 have woken up.

> OK, I have a question for you guys. I am reading and about to consult a

>homeopathic doctor. I am reading more about strengthening the immune system

>through organic vegetables, good water, less sugar etc. Organic vegetables

>are expensive, but I do the best I can. If I cannot commit to a healthier

>lifestyle, is it still better not to vax? I think I know the answer, but

>perhaps need reassurance.

Of course. Do what you can for a better diet, certainly. If you vax

someone who doesn't have a healthy diet it is EVEN more of a risk. Yes,

you know the answer.

Who are you seeing as a homeopath. Be sure they are a good one - classical!

Are they on my list ;-)

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm

not everyone who says they are a homeopath are qualified - need 4+ years of

school and mentorship basically!

Let me know if you want more info

Welcome

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

May 8, 2002

Hi Laurie,

will find some links for you....I have a paper somewhere (can't find it

'aaarrgghh') with many quotes from Drs re the polio/tonsil link

Joanna

birthwarrior <mlandes2@...> wrote: I mentioned that to the

Urologist Fri and he said he wasn't aware that was

still a theory. Besides the coincidence of tonsillectomies and polio, do

you have other links supporting this theory? I believe it is so along with

spraying and sugar consumption,etc.

Laurie>Oh

> The only organ of the human body capable of producing anti-bodies to fight

the polio virus is in the tonsils. If you think about the medical drive to

routinely pull our tonsils of the 30's, 40's and 50's....it's no wonder

poilio emerged. There is much evidence to back this up on the internet...

>

> Joanna

May 8, 2002

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm

links from my webpage ;-)

Sheri

At 01:48 AM 05/08/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>

> Hi Laurie,

>will find some links for you....I have a paper somewhere (can't find it

'aaarrgghh') with many quotes from Drs re the polio/tonsil link

>Joanna

> birthwarrior <mlandes2@...> wrote: I mentioned that to the

Urologist Fri and he said he wasn't aware that was

>still a theory. Besides the coincidence of tonsillectomies and polio, do

>you have other links supporting this theory? I believe it is so along with

>spraying and sugar consumption,etc.

>Laurie>Oh

>

>> The only organ of the human body capable of producing anti-bodies to fight

>the polio virus is in the tonsils. If you think about the medical drive to

>routinely pull our tonsils of the 30's, 40's and 50's....it's no wonder

>poilio emerged. There is much evidence to back this up on the internet...

>>

>> Joanna

>

May 9, 2002

Good for you! These doctors should be taken to court for lying.

Or exposed in some way.

Welcome

Sheri

At 11:38 AM 05/09/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>I actually joined this list a week or two ago, but am just getting around to

>posting an intro now.

>

>Dh and I have a 20 month old son and I am currently 4 months pregnant. We

>decided not to vax. either of our children (or at least I did) and when I

>shared all the information I had with my very conservative husband he

>readily agreed.

>

>I originally became leary of vaccinations when my house cat had a near fatal

>reaction to her annual series within an hour of receiving it. I had

>originally questioned the reasoning behind vaccinating a house cat who NEVER

>gets outside unless on a leash with me beside her, and who would obviously

>have very little chance of contracting disease from other cats. My vet was

>determined to vaccinate her regardless of her individual situation, then the

>reaction... and my eyes were opened.

>

>Over and over I have been shocked by what I've learned since about

>vaccinations, obstetrics, antibiotics, baby formula, dairy, fluoride, and

>other common household foods and products that our children who can't help

>themselves get subjected to for the sake of big business. It sickens me.

>

>My family is upset that we are not vaccinating, but over time have become

>respectful. My ds's Ped. asked us to leave the practice and since we live

>in an area of extreme Dr. shortage, our only other allopathic alternatives

>were walk-in clinics and hospital emergency rooms. Neither dh nor I have

>been able to find a family physician, no one is taking new patients.

>

>My ped. has since offered to take us back (apparently it's illegal to refuse

>to take us given the Dr. shortage), but we have never returned. Both ds and

>I go to a Chiropractor who is acting as our primary care Dr., which is nice.

> He's very supportive of all the choices we have made including not vaxing.

>

>I was actually pleased to catch ds's Ped. in a lie! At one point I asked

>him what the possible side effects were for vaccinating, to which he

>answered a very confident " There aren't any " . Then I told him about my cat

>and he answered " Well, that is possible " . I explained that I wanted at the

>least to wait and see what allergies my son has before exposing him to the

>allergens internally. He said that severe allergic reactions would actually

>increase with age, so really it was safer to give the vaccine now. At

>another visit, he told me that just before I got there, a couple had been in

>the waiting room who had just returned from the Dominican Republic where a

>polio case had just been discovered " that's how close you were, " he said.

>When I told him that I wasn't aware of any risk from sharing a waiting room

>with someone who had been exposed to polio, since it was transmitted through

>oral contact with saliva or excrement he turned red with anger. He actually

>thought I had made this decision without doing ANY research at all!!!

>

>It shocks me that anyone who has criticized my decision has assumed I have

>done it out of ignorance. How could anyone be ignorant to the supposed

>'benefits' of vaccinations in this day and age? It takes so much effort to

>swim against the stream... it's exhausting. Parenting is hard in ways I

>never imagined it would be.

>

>I find that if I go too long without doing research my convictions start to

>waiver, so I know I need to continue the search. Ideally, I would love to

>find proof that vaccinations are these incredible life-saving things that

>won't harm anyone... after all the research I've done, I still haven't found

>it. I hate that my children's health and safety is so easily gambled with

>by organizations who are ultimately motivated by money.

>

>I'm glad this list is here. I'm happy to belong to it.

>

>Tonya

>

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May 9, 2002

Hi, Tonya!

Welcome! I have to say you are really strong and courageous for committing

yourself to your convictions (which, when you research the subject, seems to

be common sense, but it's NOT-I continually come across people who choose

the status quo because they fell COMFORTABLE there). We vaxxed my son right

into kindergarten. We now have another child who will not be vaxxed (neither

will my son anymore).

your old Ped sounds like an ignorant fool, more interested in his comfort

zone than the truth (and didn't you challenge his comfort zone!). What a

coward. Good Decision.

Welcome Welcome

H.

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>From: " Tonya Brock " <refchecksolutions@...>

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Intro

>Date: Thu, May 9, 2002, 11:38 AM