Re: (unknown)

August 23, 2009

It could also be carpal tunnel syndrome - often goes hand in

hand with hypothyroidism. Have a look at the symptoms list in our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk Click on Hypothyroidism

in the Menu and then on Symptoms and Signs.

Luv - Sheila

Hi , the pins and needles are often present with an

autoimmune condition. so it is a case of which one do you have! go to

the AARDA.com site and autoimmune diseases research center also

101.com/autoimmune. and read all you can as doctors don`t get the training in

these areas. regards Angel.

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August 23, 2009

got the site and thanks again.On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Angelo <tommybad238@...> wrote:

( can you get steroids in pills?) I do hate getting shots.

Sure can but most are not liver friendly. You can buy them over the counter to called prohormones. Yes they are real and I did a few cyles. Research it. Remember just because you can get them over the counter doesn't mean they are not steroids in them. And because they are steroids they may increase your liver values and blood pressure and cholesterol. I recommend not taking the methylated ones. They go right thru your liver. If you go this route write me before buying so I can see what your getting.

What they do is take a steroid and add something to it which in legal terms doesn't make it a steroid but a prohormone. It skirts the law a bit. Since it's a prohormone it may not be a steroid but when you take it your body turns it into a

steroid.

August 23, 2009

Barbara,

good to hear from you and your good news. Like Terri's just now, it

would be so helpful to have stories like this on our RA-ldn group -

also the more people who take the trouble to record their experiences

(good or not) on 's database the more, easily accessible

information will be available to all.

http://www.ldndatabase.com/

Margaret

From: barbara lochner <blochner2001@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:57:52 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] (unknown)

Regarding LDN and rheumatoid arthritisI am taking LDN for fibromyalgia. ..and along the way the RA pain in both hands and feet have lessened considerably and right thumb and index finger have unlocked. About four years ago I was tested for RA and told the results were positive, but low positive, and the drs were reluctant to start me on common drugs for RA until it got worse. Just as well because I wouldn't have taken them. Symptoms were severe pain in both hands and feet, right thumb and index finger beginning to lock, enlarged joints in fingers and wrists. I was

checking out Brown Protocol (low dose antibiotic treatment) and trying it out with high grade colloidal silver when I stumbled into LDN.Barbara Lochner, 276-546-5308

August 24, 2009

All Testosterone is natural or Natural Bioidentical Hormone some call it by

different names but it's all made the same way from plants most of it are made

from Yams. Even the shots we get from the Dr.'s office or the shots we gave are

selfs are made from the same plants. This cut and paste is by Dr. nco.

==========================================================================

Bio-identical testosterone means that the chemical structure of the testosterone

is identical to the testosterone produced by the human body. Thus, a person

cannot become allergic to it. And it functions identically to the testosterone

produced by the human body. Bio-identical testosterone are often produced from

progesterone derived from the wild-mexican yam, via chemical processes.

Bio-identical testosterones are used in Androgel and generally other

testosterone gels and creams. The term " USP Testosterone " insures that the

testosterone is bioidentical.

Testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate end up being bio-identical

because the enanthate and cypionate esters are cleaved off by enzymes in the

body once they are injected, resulting in pure active testosterone. The esters

allow the testosterone to be slowly released to the body.

Synthetic testosterones are not identical to the testosterone our body produces.

They undergo different paths for metabolism and do not have the same activity

(they may be more potent for example), nor the same safety as the testosterone

our body produces.

Examples of synthetic testosterones include methyltestosterone, Anavar,

Nandrolone, and other androgenic steroids.

__________________

Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only and will

change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not constitute medical advice,

does not substitute for proper medical evaluation from physician, does not

create a doctor/patient relationship or liability. If you would like medical

advice, please ask your doctor. Thank you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Myron Casey <myroncasey@...>

> Subject: (unknown)

>

> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 3:49 PM

> Does anyone know exactly what

> " natural testosterone " is? My friend goes to a

> Naturopathic Doctor who prescribes " natural T " . He swears

> by it. Any information will be great. The weird thing is

> that it was stressed to me never to get the androgel near my

> testicles; however, he was instructed to apply this natural

> T directly to his testicles. What do you make of that?

>

> Thanks!

>

August 24, 2009

It's all natural don't let anyone tell your different.

========================================================================

Bio-identical testosterone means that the chemical structure of the testosterone

is identical to the testosterone produced by the human body. Thus, a person

cannot become allergic to it. And it functions identically to the testosterone

produced by the human body. Bio-identical testosterone are often produced from

progesterone derived from the wild-mexican yam, via chemical processes.

Bio-identical testosterones are used in Androgel and generally other

testosterone gels and creams. The term " USP Testosterone " insures that the

testosterone is bioidentical.

Testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate end up being bio-identical

because the enanthate and cypionate esters are cleaved off by enzymes in the

body once they are injected, resulting in pure active testosterone. The esters

allow the testosterone to be slowly released to the body.

Synthetic testosterones are not identical to the testosterone our body produces.

They undergo different paths for metabolism and do not have the same activity

(they may be more potent for example), nor the same safety as the testosterone

our body produces.

Examples of synthetic testosterones include methyltestosterone, Anavar,

Nandrolone, and other androgenic steroids.

__________________

Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only and will

change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not constitute medical advice,

does not substitute for proper medical evaluation from physician, does not

create a doctor/patient relationship or liability. If you would like medical

advice, please ask your doctor. Thank you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: heartlandtpc <no_reply >

> Subject: (unknown)

>

> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 4:45 PM

> There isn't any homeopathic remedy

> that I am aware of that will accomplish anything like actual

> Testosterone therapy.

>

> tpc

>

> >

> > Does anyone know exactly what " natural testosterone "

> is? My friend goes to a Naturopathic Doctor who prescribes

> " natural T " . He swears by it. Any information will be

> great. The weird thing is that it was stressed to me never

> to get the androgel near my testicles; however, he was

> instructed to apply this natural T directly to his

> testicles. What do you make of that?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

August 24, 2009

Are you stating that a cream or gel that one can buy OTC touted as a

Testosterone replacement may be the same as say for instance Androgel or Testim?

If so I am interested. And do you recommend a particular brand or product?

tpc

-- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> It's all natural don't let anyone tell your different.

> ========================================================================

> Bio-identical testosterone means that the chemical structure of the

testosterone is identical to the testosterone produced by the human body. Thus,

a person cannot become allergic to it. And it functions identically to the

testosterone produced by the human body. Bio-identical testosterone are often

produced from progesterone derived from the wild-mexican yam, via chemical

processes.

>

> Bio-identical testosterones are used in Androgel and generally other

testosterone gels and creams. The term " USP Testosterone " insures that the

testosterone is bioidentical.

>

> Testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate end up being bio-identical

because the enanthate and cypionate esters are cleaved off by enzymes in the

body once they are injected, resulting in pure active testosterone. The esters

allow the testosterone to be slowly released to the body.

>

> Synthetic testosterones are not identical to the testosterone our body

produces. They undergo different paths for metabolism and do not have the same

activity (they may be more potent for example), nor the same safety as the

testosterone our body produces.

>

> Examples of synthetic testosterones include methyltestosterone, Anavar,

Nandrolone, and other androgenic steroids.

> __________________

> Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only and will

change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not constitute medical advice,

does not substitute for proper medical evaluation from physician, does not

create a doctor/patient relationship or liability. If you would like medical

advice, please ask your doctor. Thank you.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> > From: heartlandtpc <no_reply >

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 4:45 PM

> > There isn't any homeopathic remedy

> > that I am aware of that will accomplish anything like actual

> > Testosterone therapy.

> >

> > tpc

> >

> > >

> > > Does anyone know exactly what " natural testosterone "

> > is? My friend goes to a Naturopathic Doctor who prescribes

> > " natural T " . He swears by it. Any information will be

> > great. The weird thing is that it was stressed to me never

> > to get the androgel near my testicles; however, he was

> > instructed to apply this natural T directly to his

> > testicles. What do you make of that?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

August 24, 2009

No you can't get Testosterone over the counter if they say it is they are lying.

Testosterone is I believe a class 2 drug. All Testosterone is made the same

it's just the way it's taken that is different.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: heartlandtpc <no_reply >

> > > Subject: (unknown)

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 4:45 PM

> > > There isn't any homeopathic remedy

> > > that I am aware of that will accomplish anything

> like actual

> > > Testosterone therapy.

> > >

> > > tpc

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know exactly what " natural

> testosterone "

> > > is? My friend goes to a Naturopathic Doctor who

> prescribes

> > > " natural T " . He swears by it. Any information

> will be

> > > great. The weird thing is that it was stressed

> to me never

> > > to get the androgel near my testicles; however,

> he was

> > > instructed to apply this natural T directly to

> his

> > > testicles. What do you make of that?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

August 24, 2009

That's exactly what I thought.

I think some of those OTC are touted as bio available testosterone but are made

up of homeopathic formulas and herbal extracts. I encourage the use of herbs and

am somewhat of an amateur herbalist, concocting teas and tincture from bulk

herbs for years. And they do have their benefits and I noticed Maca is used by

some in this forum. But no herb in its natural raw state, and I have used many

of them for example Mexican Sarsasparillo which was at one time advocated to be

like natural testosterone, so simply taking these herbs in their natural state

is not the equivalent of testosterone. The chemicals that some of them contain,

such as Yam as you mentioned, can be extracted to produce hormones though from

what I gather. It seems from your one of your previous posts that is what you

were stating.

Is this correct?

tpc

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know exactly what " natural

> > testosterone "

> > > > is? My friend goes to a Naturopathic Doctor who

> > prescribes

> > > > " natural T " . He swears by it. Any information

> > will be

> > > > great. The weird thing is that it was stressed

> > to me never

> > > > to get the androgel near my testicles; however,

> > he was

> > > > instructed to apply this natural T directly to

> > his

> > > > testicles. What do you make of that?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

August 24, 2009

Testosterone is a Schedule III controlled substance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Drugs_and_Substances_Act#Schedule_III

>

> No you can't get Testosterone over the counter if they say it is they are

lying. Testosterone is I believe a class 2 drug. All Testosterone is made the

same it's just the way it's taken that is different.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

August 24, 2009

Yes you can't by Testosterone OTC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: heartlandtpc <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 6:44 PM

> That's exactly what I thought.

>

> I think some of those OTC are touted as bio available

> testosterone but are made up of homeopathic formulas and

> herbal extracts. I encourage the use of herbs and am

> somewhat of an amateur herbalist, concocting teas and

> tincture from bulk herbs for years. And they do have their

> benefits and I noticed Maca is used by some in this forum.

> But no herb in its natural raw state, and I have used many

> of them for example Mexican Sarsasparillo which was at one

> time advocated to be like natural testosterone, so simply

> taking these herbs in their natural state is not the

> equivalent of testosterone. The chemicals that some of them

> contain, such as Yam as you mentioned, can be extracted to

> produce hormones though from what I gather. It seems from

> your one of your previous posts that is what you were

> stating.

> Is this correct?

>

> tpc

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone know exactly what

> " natural

> > > testosterone "

> > > > > is? My friend goes to a Naturopathic

> Doctor who

> > > prescribes

> > > > > " natural T " . He swears by it. Any

> information

> > > will be

> > > > > great. The weird thing is that it was

> stressed

> > > to me never

> > > > > to get the androgel near my testicles;

> however,

> > > he was

> > > > > instructed to apply this natural T

> directly to

> > > his

> > > > > testicles. What do you make of that?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

August 24, 2009

Thank you still you can't get it OTC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: k0cm <Randy@...>

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 6:54 PM

> Testosterone is a Schedule III

> controlled substance:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Drugs_and_Substances_Act#Schedule_III

>

> >

> > No you can't get Testosterone over the counter if they

> say it is they are lying. Testosterone is I believe a class

> 2 drug. All Testosterone is made the same it's just

> the way it's taken that is different.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 25, 2009

you can start posting any time

From: jeannette nj jimenez <ng-jimenez@...>Subject: (unknown)hyperaldosteronism Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 7:34 PM

i would ike to start sending messages if possible please.

thanks

August 26, 2009

I Lorna, all sufferers of hypothyroidism are allowed free

prescriptions if you have been given a diagnosis of hypothyroidism by an NHS

doctor. However, you must have this diagnosis before you can get them. If you

have a diagnosis, you take in your prescription for thyroid hormone replacement

and the pharmacist will complete a Form FT10 and your GP will sign it. That

will mean you will get all your thyroid hormone replacement and all other drugs

free of charge for the rest of your life.

You should write to your GP and list all of your symptoms and

signs. Take your basal temperature for 4 or 5 days before you get out of

bed in a morning and list these results in your letter. Normal is 98.6 degrees

F. if yours is 97.8 (and it could be much less) - then this shows your

metabolism is not functioning as it should and your thermostat is running too

slow. Ask for a FULL thyroid function test which includes TSH, Free 4 and Free

T3. Ask for the letter to be placed into your medical notes - this

usually makes the GP respect your wishes.

What were the results of your last thyroid function tests? give

us the figure and the reference range for each test done. Some doctors don't

like their patients interfering by wanting such things as their test results - so

if she asks why you want them, tell her that you are keeping a medical diary

and need to know what is happening and if there is a pattern. Blood results are

yours by entitlement. doctors cannot withhold these.

Luv - Sheila

Please can anybody tell me about gettng free

prescriptions. I have Graves Disease but since naively agreeing to taking

Carbimazole and unwittngly giving permission for an endo to knock out my

thyroid function, I suffer from hypo symptoms including fatigue, chronic pains

in feet, back and wrists and have not had a period for god knows how long. I

have a mixture of symptoms now my physical healh has never been the same.

I wonder whether I would be able to get free presciptions.

I am due for another blood test (the last one showing low

thyoid function) and have been reading with interest the reference ranges used

in the UK in comparison to Germany and the US. I am not sure why my GP seems so

reluctant to give me my results.

Thanks for any advice

Lorna

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August 26, 2009

Hi Lorna

Even though a doctor might request a Free

T3 test, it is the laboratories who have taken it upon themselves to refuse to

do this if the TSH and Free T4 are within the reference range. Having said that

- your Free T4 is FAR too low being right at the bottom of the range - it

should be in the upper third of the reference range for you to feel good. I

cannot see your TSH result, can you let me know what that was. If they didn't

give that to you, ring them again and ask for it.

Your ferritin is VERY low and your GP

should prescribe you some form of elemental iron such as Ferrous Sulphate or

Glutomate 200mgs with food. You should also take high doses of vitamin C 4/5000

to stop constipation whilst taking iron. Your ferritin level should be

somewhere in the region of 70 to 90. This could be one reason you feel so bad.

If your ferritin (stored iron) is not increased and keeps getting used up, next

thing is you will become anaemic as your stored iron is used up.

Tell your GP that you are aware that

reference ranges are there so that you can see whether you are at the bottom,

middle or the top of the range - where the results lie is very important. You

do NOT have to be referred to the hospital your GP refers you to, you can be

referred to any endocrinologist who can take you on his book, even if he is

outside of your area. Speak to your GP about this.

Your chronic pain is probably caused

through the fibromyalgia brought on because your tissues are not getting the T3

it needs. Your mainly inactive thyroxine (T4) needs to convert to the active T3

through the liver, kidneys and other thyroid hormone receptors. You may not be

doing this. Also, low ferritin, vitamin D3 (not sure whether you were tested

for D2 or D3) magnesium, zinc and copper may also be a cause for such a lack of

conversion. Get the FT3 test done privately if the NHS refuse to do it and take

the result with you when you have decided who you should like to see. This can

be done through Genova Diagnostics or lab 21.

Luv - Sheila

August 26, 2009

Hi,

Please can anybody tell

me about gettng free prescriptions. I have Graves Disease but since

naively agreeing to taking Carbimazole and unwittngly giving permission for an

endo to knock out my thyroid function, I suffer from hypo symptoms including

fatigue, chronic pains in feet, back and wrists and have not had a period for

god knows how long. I have a mixture of symptoms now my physical healh has

never been the same. I wonder whether I would be able to get free

presciptions.

I am due for another

blood test (the last one showing low thyoid function) and have been reading

with interest the reference ranges used in the UK in comparison to Germany and

the US. I am not sure why my GP seems so reluctant to give me my results.

Thanks for any advice

Lorna

August 26, 2009

Hi Lorna, sorry forgot to change format!

The key to free prescriptions is a diagnosis of myxodema-

hypothyroidism- which is the result of knocking your thyroid out. I think

that your doc is reluctant to do this. You are entitled to your results by

law so don’t be afraid to ask for then- don’t forget the reference range.

Subject: RE: (unknown)

Hi,

Thanks for any advice

Lorna

August 26, 2009

Very interesting article...

I don't understand why a NON-Medicaid provider couldn't/wouldn't accept

cash...this makes no sense...

I cannot believe that Wisconsin or anywhere else for that matter would write

their Medicaid plan in such a way as to restrict Medicaid recipients from

private paying...that sounds illegal to me...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

(unknown)

I encountered this Wisc story because my DH likes to keep track of where he

grew up.

Single dad tries to get dental care for his 14-year-old. No, not here, b/c

he's on the state equivalent of Medicaid. And no, Dad can't pay out of pocket,

b/c that's against state law.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news.asp?id=BKUQBI530IU

" Tens of

thousands of low-income residents [in WI] who theoretically have dental

coverage through BadgerCare, BadgerCare Plus or Medicaid simply can't

find a dentist who will treat them. And, as Cicione learned the hard

way, federal law makes it illegal for Medicaid-certified dentists to

circumvent the system by accepting cash for all or part of the

treatment they provide to Medicaid recipients. "

-Gail

August 26, 2009

Very interesting article...

I don't understand why a NON-Medicaid provider couldn't/wouldn't accept

cash...this makes no sense...

I cannot believe that Wisconsin or anywhere else for that matter would write

their Medicaid plan in such a way as to restrict Medicaid recipients from

private paying...that sounds illegal to me...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

(unknown)

I encountered this Wisc story because my DH likes to keep track of where he

grew up.

Single dad tries to get dental care for his 14-year-old. No, not here, b/c

he's on the state equivalent of Medicaid. And no, Dad can't pay out of pocket,

b/c that's against state law.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news.asp?id=BKUQBI530IU

" Tens of

thousands of low-income residents [in WI] who theoretically have dental

coverage through BadgerCare, BadgerCare Plus or Medicaid simply can't

find a dentist who will treat them. And, as Cicione learned the hard

way, federal law makes it illegal for Medicaid-certified dentists to

circumvent the system by accepting cash for all or part of the

treatment they provide to Medicaid recipients. "

-Gail

August 26, 2009

I don't get it either, if they're worried about undercutting Medicare providers

then just charge what they'd get if they were paid by Medicare.

H.

Re: (unknown)

Very interesting article...

I don't understand why a NON-Medicaid provider couldn't/wouldn't accept

cash...this makes no sense...

I cannot believe that Wisconsin or anywhere else for that matter would write

their Medicaid plan in such a way as to restrict Medicaid recipients from

private paying...that sounds illegal to me...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

(unknown)

I encountered this Wisc story because my DH likes to keep track of where he

grew up.

Single dad tries to get dental care for his 14-year-old. No, not here, b/c

he's on the state equivalent of Medicaid. And no, Dad can't pay out of pocket,

b/c that's against state law.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news.asp?id=BKUQBI530IU

" Tens of

thousands of low-income residents [in WI] who theoretically have dental

coverage through BadgerCare, BadgerCare Plus or Medicaid simply can't

find a dentist who will treat them. And, as Cicione learned the hard

way, federal law makes it illegal for Medicaid-certified dentists to

circumvent the system by accepting cash for all or part of the

treatment they provide to Medicaid recipients. "

-Gail

August 26, 2009

I don't get it either, if they're worried about undercutting Medicare providers

then just charge what they'd get if they were paid by Medicare.

H.

Re: (unknown)

Very interesting article...

I don't understand why a NON-Medicaid provider couldn't/wouldn't accept

cash...this makes no sense...

I cannot believe that Wisconsin or anywhere else for that matter would write

their Medicaid plan in such a way as to restrict Medicaid recipients from

private paying...that sounds illegal to me...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

(unknown)

I encountered this Wisc story because my DH likes to keep track of where he

grew up.

Single dad tries to get dental care for his 14-year-old. No, not here, b/c

he's on the state equivalent of Medicaid. And no, Dad can't pay out of pocket,

b/c that's against state law.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news.asp?id=BKUQBI530IU

" Tens of

thousands of low-income residents [in WI] who theoretically have dental

coverage through BadgerCare, BadgerCare Plus or Medicaid simply can't

find a dentist who will treat them. And, as Cicione learned the hard

way, federal law makes it illegal for Medicaid-certified dentists to

circumvent the system by accepting cash for all or part of the

treatment they provide to Medicaid recipients. "

-Gail

August 27, 2009

As I understand, this is only if they aren't told about the Medicaid (Medicare

has similar situations, but less common). Otherwise they risk major fines

and/or prison. That's because the regulations assume the gov't pays and pays

adequately, which is, of course defined by the regulation. Any other payment is

supplemental and, therefore, fraud. This is basically another price control

system with unintended consequences. For those that already have one (just one

is all it takes) Medicaid patient, they must accept Medicaid payment (only, of

course) for others. That's why so many don't take Medicaid at all (Medicare

situation similar, but not as bad).

From a family full of MD's.

>

> Very interesting article...

> I don't understand why a NON-Medicaid provider couldn't/wouldn't accept

cash...this makes no sense...

> I cannot believe that Wisconsin or anywhere else for that matter would write

their Medicaid plan in such a way as to restrict Medicaid recipients from

private paying...that sounds illegal to me...

> Ellen

> Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> egskb@...

> (unknown)

>

> I encountered this Wisc story because my DH likes to keep track of where

he grew up.

>

> Single dad tries to get dental care for his 14-year-old. No, not here, b/c

he's on the state equivalent of Medicaid. And no, Dad can't pay out of pocket,

b/c that's against state law.

>

> http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news.asp?id=BKUQBI530IU

>

> " Tens of

> thousands of low-income residents [in WI] who theoretically have dental

> coverage through BadgerCare, BadgerCare Plus or Medicaid simply can't

> find a dentist who will treat them. And, as Cicione learned the hard

> way, federal law makes it illegal for Medicaid-certified dentists to

> circumvent the system by accepting cash for all or part of the

> treatment they provide to Medicaid recipients. "

>

> -Gail

>

August 27, 2009