Re: Armour and Glaucoma

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Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

Chuck

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Gracia,

If my thyroid was removed I would also conclude that I was then hypoT.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

Chuck

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how could I conclude that? I was always tod that the #s were normal!! and

I couldnt think my way out of a paper bag. my husband left me b/c I was totally

whacked, could barely speak. then i had to work at low paying jobs.

gracia

Gracia,

If my thyroid was removed I would also conclude that I was then hypoT.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

Chuck

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Oh, I'm so sorry you had to put up with all that. It really is criminal the

improper and/or

undertreating some doctors do. We go to a doctor with hope and trust in our

hearts,

and it is they that teach us that we can't trust them.

Roni

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU AND

HOPE YOUR NEW YEAR IS HEALTHY, HAPPY, FULL OF FUN,

AND MUCH JOY!

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

how could I conclude that? I was always tod that the #s were normal!! and I

couldnt think my way out of a paper bag. my husband left me b/c I was totally

whacked, could barely speak. then i had to work at low paying jobs.

gracia

Gracia,

If my thyroid was removed I would also conclude that I was then hypoT.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

Chuck

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how about the retarded ppl I work with who have every symptom of congenital

hypo (which CAUSES mental retardation) they are untreated b/c of TSH test!!!!!

they get ativan and depakote and kepra instead of thyroid meds!

Severe iodine deficiency can cause low TSH, as well as damage to H-P-A axis.

Gracia

Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

Chuck

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????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like

this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic..and

I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but

now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all

that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week

now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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THE ONLY WAY ARMOUR WILL EFFECT YOUR EYES IS IF YOU ARE TAKING TOO MUCH OR

NOT ENOUGH. ARMOUR HAS NO SIDE EFFECTS. SORRY FOR CAPS, just noticed it.

I wasn't screaming at you.

-- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic.

and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc.

..but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to

bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's

apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

You wrote:

>

> I did post my salivary test results a while ago, but here they are

anywayz:

>

> Estradiol

> 9

> Male(20-49): 1 - 3 pg/ml

> Male(50-85): 1 - 5 pg/ml

>

> Progesterone

> 106

> Male(adult): 5 - 95pg/ml

>

> Free Testosterone

> 59

> Male(20-30) : 60 - 110pg/ml

>

> Cortisol (7 -8 AM)

> 15 Normal ( 13 - 24nM)

>

> (11-noon)

> 3 Depressed (5 - 10 nM)

>

> (4 -5)

> 3 Normal( 4 - 5 nM)

>

> ( 11 - Midn)

> 3 Normal (1 - 4 nM)

>

> Cortisol Burden

> 24

> 23 - 42

>

> DHEA

> 9 Normal(Adults(M/F) : 3 - 10 ng/ml)

>

> fTSH

> 38 Normal

> 26 - 85 NIU/ML

>

> fT4

> 0.20 Normal( 0.17 - 0.42 ng/dL)

>

> fT3

> 0.49 Normal(0.28 - 1.10 pg/ml)

>

> TPO

> Negative

>

> thanks a lot.

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote: weird

> Scientist wrote:

> > ..blurry

> > vision...severely dry eyes...and Armour seems to exacerbate the problem

> > (atleast in my case).

>

> Those are classic hypoT symptoms. You are simply not getting nearly

> enough Armour.

>

> Proper dosing requires fine tuning. Until you get close to an optimum

> dose, you will still feel so bad you may not be able to tell which way

> is up. You also never told us what your test results indicated.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

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Uh no.

-- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

yes I was referring to the lady that got severely emotional and threatened

to leave the group....she did sound like she was spaced out..

I am MALE..perhaps I should upload a picture of my genitalia in the Files

section?...lol

<res075oh@...> wrote: For some reason I had thought Weird

Scientist was female; I don't know

why and I may be wrong. Corrections welcome.

But I took the reference to " 'her' being spaced out " as wondering if we

all thought another poster might also be spaced out; after someone

suggested WS might be spaced out from illness and/or medication. But I

may be totally wrong on that too. I guess I haven't really followed

some of it too closely. I kind of get turned off when the name calling

starts...

Just for clarity, is Weird Scientist male or female???

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> <hypothyroidism/message/32984

_ylc=X3oDMTJxMnU2YWJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:49 am (PST)

>

> ,

> I do believe Weird Scientist was referring to " HER " . as in why doesn't

> anyone

> think Weird Scientist is a female?

>

> Roni

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

> causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the wrong

> type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

> that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

> cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact, so it

> can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly what is

> going on.

>

> Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

> kids really love it...

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> >

> <hypothyroidism/message/32974

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

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> <hypothyroidism/message/32974

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->>

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

> <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78@...

> <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78

> <weirdscientist78>>

> >

> >

> > Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

> >

> > so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

> >

> > about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> > anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> > heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> > .I get a day off...lol

> >

> > Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> > wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> > better and

> > getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about

> Christmas.

> > Be well!

> > CW

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Weird Scientist,

Why do you have to be so crude. I do not understand you. I am not a

prude and there are places you may be able to respond like this but

this is not one of them. Maybe it didn't bother anyone else but I

think it was uncalled for, AGAIN. You could have expressed yourself

in a different manner. Maybe you were trying to be funny but it didn't

make me laught. Just my two cents.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " Crystal "

<sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> Uh no.

>

> -- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

> yes I was referring to the lady that got severely emotional and

threatened

> to leave the group....she did sound like she was spaced out..

>

> I am MALE..perhaps I should upload a picture of my genitalia in the

Files

> section?...lol

>

> <res075oh@...> wrote: For some reason I had thought Weird

> Scientist was female; I don't know

> why and I may be wrong. Corrections welcome.

>

> But I took the reference to " 'her' being spaced out " as wondering

if we

> all thought another poster might also be spaced out; after someone

> suggested WS might be spaced out from illness and/or medication. But I

> may be totally wrong on that too. I guess I haven't really followed

> some of it too closely. I kind of get turned off when the name calling

> starts...

>

> Just for clarity, is Weird Scientist male or female???

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32984

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxMnU2YWJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5ODQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzE5NjcwNQ-->

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam>

> >

> >

> > Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:49 am (PST)

> >

> > ,

> > I do believe Weird Scientist was referring to " HER " . as in why

doesn't

> > anyone

> > think Weird Scientist is a female?

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> > When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

> > causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the

wrong

> > type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

> > that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

> > cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact,

so it

> > can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly

what is

> > going on.

> >

> > Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

> > kids really love it...

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> > >

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32974

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA--

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32974

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>

> > > <mailto:weirdscientist78@...

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> > 3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > > weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78

> > <weirdscientist78>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

> > >

> > > about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> > > anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> > > heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> > > .I get a day off...lol

> > >

> > > Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> > > wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> > > better and

> > > getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about

> > Christmas.

> > > Be well!

> > > CW

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

> ????

> there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

> much or too little.

Synthroid IS bioidentical. It just happens to also be synthetic.

I refrained from mentioning it before, but all the potential side

effects listed by the manufacturer indeed are symptoms of either too

much or too little. Only the sensitivity to incipients and to T4 itself

seemed like real side effects.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I haven't really been following the whole weird scientist vs the people thing

but just from seeing what he wrote below is enough to make me?really worried

about him.?

Weird Scientist - Just don't saying anything like that anymore here. Take it to

a therapist or something. Could you scream " I have issues and want

attention " ?any louder? It's not that we don't care,?we just?really don't want to

hear things said in the way you insist on saying them.? Now, I'm sure you're

thinking about writing a nasty post back to me or something, which I would

expect from someone who has proven to be so imature, but please talk to a

psychiatrist about your feelinsgs first. And then if you still want to say

something nasty to me, ask for my e-mail address and spare everyone else from

having to read it too. Oh, and?if you get bored talking to?the therapist about

how you act in this group, bring up your issues with women ... that will keep

you busy for a lllooonnnggg time.

Do take care of yourself now!

..... (ASAP please!)

Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

> yes I was referring to the lady that got severely emotional and

threatened

> to leave the group....she did sound like she was spaced out..

>

> I am MALE..perhaps I should upload a picture of my genitalia in the

Files

> section?...lol

>

> <res075oh@...> wrote: For some reason I had thought Weird

> Scientist was female; I don't know

> why and I may be wrong. Corrections welcome.

>

> But I took the reference to " 'her' being spaced out " as wondering

if we

> all thought another poster might also be spaced out; after someone

> suggested WS might be spaced out from illness and/or medication. But I

> may be totally wrong on that too. I guess I haven't really followed

> some of it too closely. I kind of get turned off when the name calling

> starts...

>

> Just for clarity, is Weird Scientist male or female???

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32984

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxMnU2YWJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5ODQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzE5NjcwNQ-->

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam>

> >

> >

> > Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:49 am (PST)

> >

> > ,

> > I do believe Weird Scientist was referring to " HER " . as in why

doesn't

> > anyone

> > think Weird Scientist is a female?

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> > When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

> > causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the

wrong

> > type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

> > that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

> > cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact,

so it

> > can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly

what is

> > going on.

> >

> > Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

> > kids really love it...

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> > >

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32974

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA--

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32974

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>

> > > <mailto:weirdscientist78@...

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> > 3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > > weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78

> > <weirdscientist78>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

> > >

> > > about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> > > anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> > > heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> > > .I get a day off...lol

> > >

> > > Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> > > wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> > > better and

> > > getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about

> > Christmas.

> > > Be well!

> > > CW

>

>

>

>

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There are indeed side effects from bioidentical hormones. Just check the

package inserts on any of them. No drug is side effect free.

Dusty

Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS

acidic..and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being

Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen

often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this

rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that

has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: weird

Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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my hormones are compounded and there is no drug insert. are you saying that

the hormones your body makes give you " side effects " ? b/c that's impossible.

I think you are thinking of the side effects from synthetic hormones that have

been changed molecularly so they can be patented--like progestins.

Gracia

There are indeed side effects from bioidentical hormones. Just check the

package inserts on any of them. No drug is side effect free.

Dusty

Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS

acidic..and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being

Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen

often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this

rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that

has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: weird

Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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too much of any hormone whether it is synthetic or bio-identical can be a bad

thing. think about it- when the body's own system goes haywire as in producing

too much prolactin [another hormone] you get hyperprolactemia, which can affect

one's fertility. too much estrogen can cause fibroids or trigger cancer- you get

the picture.

nancie

Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS

acidic..and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being

Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen

often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this

rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that

has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

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Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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is really having problems- I got 8 copies of this message, lol

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Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS

acidic..and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being

Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen

often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this

rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that

has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

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Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> my hormones are compounded and there is no drug insert. are you saying

> that the hormones your body makes give you " side effects " ? b/c that's

> impossible....

The required inserts list all the possible bad reactions that can

happen, and yes, even the hormones your body makes can have these " side "

effects. When they do, it is usually called a named syndrome, such as

" Grave's. "

> I think you are thinking of the side effects from synthetic hormones

> that have been changed molecularly so they can be patented--like progestins.

There are some chemicals that have a hormonal effect, but are not the

actual hormone molecule. For example, the following xenoestrogens all

affect the estrous cycle, just like archiestrogens (estradiol, estriol,

and estrone), but they are NOT estrogen:

4-Methylbenzylidene camphor (4-MBC) (sunscreen lotions)

butylated hydroxyanisole / BHA (food preservative)

atrazine (weedkiller)

bisphenol A (monomer for polycarbonate plastic and epoxy resin;

antioxidant in plasticizers)

dieldrin (insecticide)

DDT (insecticide)

endosulfan (insecticide)

erythrosine / FD & C Red No. 3

heptachlor (insecticide)

lindane / hexachlorocyclohexane (insecticide)

methoxychlor (insecticide)

nonylphenol and derivatives (industrial surfactants; emulsifiers for

emulsion polymerization; laboratory detergents; pesticides)

polychlorinated biphenyls / PCBs (in electrical oils, lubricants,

adhesives, paints)

parabens (lotions)

phenosulfothiazine (a red dye)

phthalates (plasticizers)

Plants also make chemicals with estrogen effect. For example, soy has

phytoestrogens, that also mimic estrogen but aren't. These may be

" natural, " but they are estrogen MIMICS. They are not bioidentical.

Synthetic T4 is NOT like any of these. It is the exact same molecule as

the T4 you once made. It is bioidentical. It is the same as T4 in

Armour, it just doesn't come with all the other stuff in the dessicated

tissue.

Chuck

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Nope - its not impossible. The ingredient (estradiol, or testosterone or

whatever) has info available on the web as the the side effects. Your

druggist would have that available as well should you inquire. I am not

thinking of synthetics - I'm speaking of the hormones you have compounded

(as I do).

If this comes thro a ghazillion times, forgive me - I dunno whats happening

there

Dusty

Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS

acidic..and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being

Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen

often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this

rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that

has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

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Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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oh THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!.... which woman calls herself WeirdScientist?...if even

if she IS in fact weird...lol

truly do appreciate the sensitivity.

now everybody please don't start on Chauvinism...it is not abt that..no woman

wants to be called a man and no man wants to be called a woman...thatz abt it.

WS

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: Weirs

Scientist, I just wanted you to know that I never thought you were female.

Women argue differently. I was a counselor for many years.

Roni

yes I was referring to the lady that got severely emotional and threatened to

leave the group....she did sound like she was spaced out..

I am MALE..perhaps I should upload a picture of my genitalia in the Files

section?...lol

<res075oh@...> wrote: For some reason I had thought Weird

Scientist was female; I don't know

why and I may be wrong. Corrections welcome.

But I took the reference to " 'her' being spaced out " as wondering if we

all thought another poster might also be spaced out; after someone

suggested WS might be spaced out from illness and/or medication. But I

may be totally wrong on that too. I guess I haven't really followed

some of it too closely. I kind of get turned off when the name calling

starts...

Just for clarity, is Weird Scientist male or female???

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32984;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMnU2YWJ\

oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5ODQEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzE5NjcwNQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:49 am (PST)

>

> ,

> I do believe Weird Scientist was referring to " HER " . as in why doesn't

> anyone

> think Weird Scientist is a female?

>

> Roni

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

> causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the wrong

> type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

> that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

> cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact, so it

> can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly what is

> going on.

>

> Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

> kids really love it...

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> >

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32974;_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ\

0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA--

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32974;_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ\

0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->>

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

> <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78@...

> <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78

> <weirdscientist78>>

> >

> >

> > Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

> >

> > so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

> >

> > about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> > anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> > heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> > .I get a day off...lol

> >

> > Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> > wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> > better and

> > getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about

> Christmas.

> > Be well!

> > CW

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I am not sure what kinda symptoms do I have to have to make myself

believable..I'd pretty much have every symptom that anybody thatz been diagnosed

with Hypothyroidism has...except for being overweight...

and you are right about the going blind thing... which is the reason I have

stopped Armour..itz been two weeks now.... I don't plan on taking it for quite a

bit.

maybe HC...and even thatz scary... but certainly not Armour.

yes I would take advice from ppl who have already gone through this sh & *..I

always respect ppl ..thank everybody etc ... when you gave me that reply the

other day .I was in real pain...and in no position to take crap from anybody.

I actually felt better on HC alone ..but that took quite a while to work...and

itwas before the Glaucoma diagnosis.

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird

Scientist,

This response just arrived. Evidently is scrambling deliveries.

You wrote:

>

>

> well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on

> the labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing

> away like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started

> 1/2 grain)...

Well then, what of your symptoms caused you to draw conclusions

completely contradictory to your saliva tests?

You have chosen to self prescribe some serious medication in

contradiction to tests, albeit questionable tests, even though that

medication might leave you permanently blind. That fact alone makes me

wonder whether you would really accept advice from this list. I can see

that my remark, to which you reacted so emotionally, was probably

incorrect. Even your incredibly low dosage is probably not justified,

whether you think it is causing a benefit or not.

Treating based on symptoms means that your symptoms can be used as an

additional source of information once you have a clear diagnosis. If you

don't know with certainty that the cause is your thyroid, then symptoms

are just symptoms. All sorts of things cause similar symptoms. You need

to have some confidence that your symptoms are reliable indicators of

thyroid status. Even then, most doctors take patient reports with a

grain of salt, since most people are quite suggestible and subject to

placebo effects. Blood tests are not.

I would think that glaucoma is a sufficiently serious threat that you

would not want to risk a direct threat to your vision over unreliable

tests and symptoms that could be anything.

Chuck

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I am sorry to hear that!

yes the numbers are not the right indicators ... heck!!! I was prescribed

anti-depressants for a while ..they thought I was imagining stuff ...esp abt my

Joint Pain... some doc even told me only athletes get this stuff and so you are

a 'Romanian gymnast!!!!!!!!!!!!! " ...lol

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

how could I conclude that? I was always tod that the #s were normal!! and

I couldnt think my way out of a paper bag. my husband left me b/c I was totally

whacked, could barely speak. then i had to work at low paying jobs.

gracia

Gracia,

If my thyroid was removed I would also conclude that I was then hypoT.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

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I'd say it does dull your brain...I know I can do a lot better than I am doing

if I were treated with the right medication.

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

how about the retarded ppl I work with who have every symptom of congenital

hypo (which CAUSES mental retardation) they are untreated b/c of TSH test!!!!!

they get ativan and depakote and kepra instead of thyroid meds!

Severe iodine deficiency can cause low TSH, as well as damage to H-P-A axis.

Gracia

Gracia wrote:

>

> PLEASE ChucK please. blood test never Dxed me....

No, but you had other, very good reasons to think you were hypoT.

Chuck

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too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was scaring

me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone through this

before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with similar Hypo

symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see if there are ppl

out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they do..not as many though

and not one with the same symptoms to match.

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like

this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic..and

I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but

now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all

that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week

now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about itz

detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

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So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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So are you saying that once you cam off the Armour your eyes started feeling

better?

cw

-- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was

scaring me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone

through this before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with

similar Hypo symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see

if there are ppl out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they

do..not as many though and not one with the same symptoms to match.

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic.

and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc.

..but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to

bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's

apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

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So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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I thought it was pretty funny ..I thought u guys had to have a jovial atmosphere

around here..and " that was MY 10 cents, my two cents is free " (to quote

Eminem)...lol...

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: Weird

Scientist,

Why do you have to be so crude. I do not understand you. I am not a

prude and there are places you may be able to respond like this but

this is not one of them. Maybe it didn't bother anyone else but I

think it was uncalled for, AGAIN. You could have expressed yourself

in a different manner. Maybe you were trying to be funny but it didn't

make me laught. Just my two cents.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " Crystal "

<sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> Uh no.

>

> -- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

> yes I was referring to the lady that got severely emotional and

threatened

> to leave the group....she did sound like she was spaced out..

>

> I am MALE..perhaps I should upload a picture of my genitalia in the

Files

> section?...lol

>

> <res075oh@...> wrote: For some reason I had thought Weird

> Scientist was female; I don't know

> why and I may be wrong. Corrections welcome.

>

> But I took the reference to " 'her' being spaced out " as wondering

if we

> all thought another poster might also be spaced out; after someone

> suggested WS might be spaced out from illness and/or medication. But I

> may be totally wrong on that too. I guess I haven't really followed

> some of it too closely. I kind of get turned off when the name calling

> starts...

>

> Just for clarity, is Weird Scientist male or female???

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32984

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxMnU2YWJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5ODQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzE5NjcwNQ-->

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam>

> >

> >

> > Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:49 am (PST)

> >

> > ,

> > I do believe Weird Scientist was referring to " HER " . as in why

doesn't

> > anyone

> > think Weird Scientist is a female?

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> > When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

> > causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the

wrong

> > type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

> > that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

> > cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact,

so it

> > can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly

what is

> > going on.

> >

> > Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

> > kids really love it...

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> > >

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32974

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA--

> > <hypothyroidism/message/32974

>

_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>

> > > <mailto:weirdscientist78@...

> > <mailto:weirdscientist78%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> > 3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> > > weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78

> > <weirdscientist78>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

> > >

> > > about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> > > anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> > > heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> > > .I get a day off...lol

> > >

> > > Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> > > wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> > > better and

> > > getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about

> > Christmas.

> > > Be well!

> > > CW

>

>

>

>

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YES.

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: So

are you saying that once you cam off the Armour your eyes started feeling

better?

cw

-- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was

scaring me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone

through this before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with

similar Hypo symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see

if there are ppl out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they

do..not as many though and not one with the same symptoms to match.

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

????

there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too

much or too little.

1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little.

thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body.

Gracia

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away

like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2

grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic.

and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc.

.but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to

bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's

apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about

itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

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So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

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