Re: Armour and Glaucoma

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Sam, is quite capable of replying on his own, but I think you may be

missing his point. He doesn't say that iodine is something for everyone to be

afraid of and not try it if it seems that it might help them. What he is

saying

is that not everything helps everybody. For example, when morphine is

given to a post operative patient to alleviate their pain, that seems like the

correct thing to do. However, if given to me, it acts backwards and makes

the pain worse. If anybody were to give me penicillin, which is a lifesaver

for most people with infection, I go into anaphalactic shock, and could die

if not given epinephrine injected directly into my heart (which has happened).

So you see, what works for one, or even many, might cause harm to some.

That's all he was trying to say, and we should all be glad there are people

on this list that are willing to buck the crowd in the interests of the safety

of even one person that might be hurt.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

I don't care what you do with iodine, ...use it to save you life

if there comes a time when you need to (like if you get cancer

somewhere, like in your prostate or stomach) or skip it and invite me

to the wake. I just get quite annoyed with some people (not you

directly) who scare other people from taking something that will save

their lives. Seriously, advice is fine, but no fair causing someone's

death because they're scared off from taking something that will save

their lives... Ok? Almost had that happen a number of months ago in

another group. Don't underestimate the power that brain fog has on

human thought processes...

But, uh, did you actually read about TPO, what it does, what it's

used for, what it works with, etc? It's really cool to know that

stuff. Why? because it helps in the understanding of the mechanisims

of the human body and it's requirements to run like a well oiled

machine. I mean, like, uh, would you run a 2008 Maserati Granturismo

at 120mph with only a half quart of cheap oil in it? I doubt it...

Is the human body worth any less?

I don't go to jail, I'm a smart girl. hahaha

I couldn't get into any trouble during Xmas because I either had a

heck of a cold or there's something in that house that I react badly

to... Well, mmm, I was with hot hot boyfriend/fiance, and we could

get arrested for the fun we have in private, tho...<grin>

I've been a little absent here due to moving him into a new place,

and then there's that getting engaged thing and all...

Sam

>

> No; not iodophobic [is that a word???]. Personally I just don't

see a

> need for it. If I did see a need I wouldn't have a problem

starting

> with a small dose and experimenting with increasing the dose and

> monitoring closely my reactions. AFTER educating myself as to the

> possible negative results to be on the lookout for.

>

> BUT, even if I did the above and it worked well for me I would

simply

> report my results to the group. I WOULD NOT give everyone who

happens to

> stumble upon this site a " prescription " for whatever worked for me.

>

> AND even if my personal results were contrary to the published peer

> reviewed literature I would still maintain an immense respect for

same.

>

> Hope you had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year. Try to

stay

> out of jail! [ggg]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

time to join http://www.iodine

in order to have an intelligent discussion on iodine. ppl are doing very

well on high dose iodine, so iodophobia may not be warranted.

Gracia

Sam, is quite capable of replying on his own, but I think you may be

missing his point. He doesn't say that iodine is something for everyone to be

afraid of and not try it if it seems that it might help them. What he is

saying

is that not everything helps everybody. For example, when morphine is

given to a post operative patient to alleviate their pain, that seems like the

correct thing to do. However, if given to me, it acts backwards and makes

the pain worse. If anybody were to give me penicillin, which is a lifesaver

for most people with infection, I go into anaphalactic shock, and could die

if not given epinephrine injected directly into my heart (which has happened).

So you see, what works for one, or even many, might cause harm to some.

That's all he was trying to say, and we should all be glad there are people

on this list that are willing to buck the crowd in the interests of the safety

of even one person that might be hurt.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

I don't care what you do with iodine, ...use it to save you life

if there comes a time when you need to (like if you get cancer

somewhere, like in your prostate or stomach) or skip it and invite me

to the wake. I just get quite annoyed with some people (not you

directly) who scare other people from taking something that will save

their lives. Seriously, advice is fine, but no fair causing someone's

death because they're scared off from taking something that will save

their lives... Ok? Almost had that happen a number of months ago in

another group. Don't underestimate the power that brain fog has on

human thought processes...

But, uh, did you actually read about TPO, what it does, what it's

used for, what it works with, etc? It's really cool to know that

stuff. Why? because it helps in the understanding of the mechanisims

of the human body and it's requirements to run like a well oiled

machine. I mean, like, uh, would you run a 2008 Maserati Granturismo

at 120mph with only a half quart of cheap oil in it? I doubt it...

Is the human body worth any less?

I don't go to jail, I'm a smart girl. hahaha

I couldn't get into any trouble during Xmas because I either had a

heck of a cold or there's something in that house that I react badly

to... Well, mmm, I was with hot hot boyfriend/fiance, and we could

get arrested for the fun we have in private, tho...<grin>

I've been a little absent here due to moving him into a new place,

and then there's that getting engaged thing and all...

Sam

>

> No; not iodophobic [is that a word???]. Personally I just don't

see a

> need for it. If I did see a need I wouldn't have a problem

starting

> with a small dose and experimenting with increasing the dose and

> monitoring closely my reactions. AFTER educating myself as to the

> possible negative results to be on the lookout for.

>

> BUT, even if I did the above and it worked well for me I would

simply

> report my results to the group. I WOULD NOT give everyone who

happens to

> stumble upon this site a " prescription " for whatever worked for me.

>

> AND even if my personal results were contrary to the published peer

> reviewed literature I would still maintain an immense respect for

same.

>

> Hope you had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year. Try to

stay

> out of jail! [ggg]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

what?

if you are getting worse on iodine then you must not be taking enough (50mg

Iodoral at least?) and/or you need companion nutrients or even more Armour. I

only have half a thyroid gland and believe I am very iodine deficient. I like

to say that I am a few molecules short of a group home LOL. The BEST way to

deal with toxicity is iodine.

Gracia

Actually I'm already in the iodine group. But I was getting worse while

taking iodine - perhaps it had nothing to do with it - just coincidence

- no way to tell. I'm thinking of starting to take it every day again

and see what happens. But - Gracia, since you take both iodine and a

large dose of Armour then apparently it didn't cure your thyroid?? Of

course I know other parts of the body need it too - read the book - and

my own doctor said that when he had me start on it. I just don't know

anymore. For the detox, by the way, I had 32 IV EDTA chelations and

cadmium, lead and aluminum was STILL coming out. Now taking a bunch of

glycine every day for three days while doing DMSA - 3 on 11 days off -

because they have learned that Glycine helps get it out of organs where

it hides so the chelator can take it out the rest of the way. I feel I

have been hiding it in my legs that are bigger than they should be

compared to the rest of me - for years. Doctor said I may be right. I

can't help but wonder how many others that have various problems really

have metal toxicity and just don't know it. I'm not even one that you

would expect to have it - have lived healthy for years, eaten right and

taken supplements. If I'm in this kind of situation what about those

that smoke, work at jobs with exposure, live in polluted big cities, eat

junk food, etc and take lots of prescriptions thereby compromising the

liver and other detox systems? Yet they generally can't get help

unless they pay cash because insurance would rather drug symptoms and

keep them getting sicker.

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11:51 AM

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I wonder why you think I am absorbing so much less? LOL It really seems to

work well. Holistic docs use 180-300mg Armour. this is what works. you

could use less Armour if you took Iodoral and adrenal support. Actually I

think you might be the one iwth absorption probs.

the stuff I recommend is just what holistic docs do--it is definately not what

allopathic docs do.

Gracia

Gracia-

I am in no way debating the fact that when hypoT people start getting hypoT

symptoms their meds should be raised. And of all the people here I think I

really do have an open mind about armour as I am very regularly taking 7 +

grains

a day. My only objection is using yourself as an example in a way that is

misleading. You are actually absorbing soooo much less than 240 mg. I know

that

you are just trying to help people and I and many others really value you

here.

Take care,

it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is 180--300mgs. I

am not recommending anything unusual. If a person doesn't feel well, has hypo

symptoms, then it only makes sense to increase. I think many peeps stay on

lower doses b/c of low adrenals. (which docs don't treat)

Gracia

Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards

which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less.

Gracia-

if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you

make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a

comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement.

Take care,

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Gracia-

If you drink coffee right after taking your armour it is most deffinitely not

the same as if you were to wait the full hour. It isn't me just " thinking "

that you absorb much less. It is a fact. And that has nothing to do with me and

whatever health problems I have, but thanks for your concern.

If you feel good and it works for you doing that, then that means that you

actually need much less than 240 mg of armour. And I'm not sure why you keep

mentioning the range that holistic docs use - I don't care about these silly

ranges, I'm for whatever works for each individual!!!!!

Good night,

I wonder why you think I am absorbing so much less? LOL It really seems to

work well. Holistic docs use 180-300mg Armour. this is what works. you could use

less Armour if you took Iodoral and adrenal support. Actually I think you

might be the one iwth absorption probs.

the stuff I recommend is just what holistic docs do--it is definately not

what allopathic docs do.

Gracia

Gracia-

I am in no way debating the fact that when hypoT people start getting hypoT

symptoms their meds should be raised. And of all the people here I think I

really do have an open mind about armour as I am very regularly taking 7 +

grains

a day. My only objection is using yourself as an example in a way that is

misleading. You are actually absorbing soooo much less than 240 mg. I know

that

you are just trying to help people and I and many others really value you

here.

Take care,

it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is 180--300mgs. I

am not recommending anything unusual. If a person doesn't feel well, has hypo

symptoms, then it only makes sense to increase. I think many peeps stay on

lower doses b/c of low adrenals. (which docs don't treat)

Gracia

Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards

which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less.

Gracia-

if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you

make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a

comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement.

Take care

**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes

(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

[Guest guest]

I think the ranges are good to know b/c most docs will only give a small

amount of Armour, like 60-120mg. I guess that's b/c of TSH.

I have taken Armour (chew it up) and then not had coffee for an hour. Really

seems to make no difference and works just the same, so I am a fan of sublingual

absorption.

Gracia

Gracia-

If you drink coffee right after taking your armour it is most deffinitely not

the same as if you were to wait the full hour. It isn't me just " thinking "

that you absorb much less. It is a fact. And that has nothing to do with me

and

whatever health problems I have, but thanks for your concern.

If you feel good and it works for you doing that, then that means that you

actually need much less than 240 mg of armour. And I'm not sure why you keep

mentioning the range that holistic docs use - I don't care about these silly

ranges, I'm for whatever works for each individual!!!!!

Good night,

I wonder why you think I am absorbing so much less? LOL It really seems to

work well. Holistic docs use 180-300mg Armour. this is what works. you could

use

less Armour if you took Iodoral and adrenal support. Actually I think you

might be the one iwth absorption probs.

the stuff I recommend is just what holistic docs do--it is definately not

what allopathic docs do.

Gracia

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