Re: Armour and Glaucoma

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,

You wrote:

> ... a little like Homer Simpson

> instructing Einstein...

You have truly exceeded the speed of light in vacuum.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Yes, 1948 is my year and it was a good year and now you can figure out out old I

am! We

baby boomers feel like we are in our 20's though!!!

Have a good day!

Venizia

> > >

> > > Roni and Venizia,

> > >

> > > Thank you both for coming to my defense. Obviously we are dealing with

> > > someone who is ill and may not be interpreting the postings very

> > > accurately nor responding rationally to them. We've all been there,

> > > right? I'll live.

> > >

> > > Weird Scientist, the point was that 1/2 grain of Armour is essentially

> > > no dose at all. If you are indeed hypoT, that amount of medication won't

> > > help and in time will leave you feeling worse, as you described.

> > > However, if you are not hypoT, it might actually cause you to be hyperT,

> > > which could very well aggravate the very real glaucoma, and make you

> > > feel worse, as you described. You need to be treated by someone aware of

> > > all three possible conditions and the medication you are taking.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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well that totally eludes me. however I know that truly smart ppl can learn

from everyone. they see value where others don't, so I am sure Einstein would

be intrigued by Homer Simpson.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

> ... a little like Homer Simpson

> instructing Einstein...

You have truly exceeded the speed of light in vacuum.

Chuck

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11:15 PM

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3/1/48 is my birthday.

Gracia

Yes, 1948 is my year and it was a good year and now you can figure out out old

I am! We

baby boomers feel like we are in our 20's though!!!

Have a good day!

Venizia

> > >

> > > Roni and Venizia,

> > >

> > > Thank you both for coming to my defense. Obviously we are dealing with

> > > someone who is ill and may not be interpreting the postings very

> > > accurately nor responding rationally to them. We've all been there,

> > > right? I'll live.

> > >

> > > Weird Scientist, the point was that 1/2 grain of Armour is essentially

> > > no dose at all. If you are indeed hypoT, that amount of medication won't

> > > help and in time will leave you feeling worse, as you described.

> > > However, if you are not hypoT, it might actually cause you to be hyperT,

> > > which could very well aggravate the very real glaucoma, and make you

> > > feel worse, as you described. You need to be treated by someone aware of

> > > all three possible conditions and the medication you are taking.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Chuck, sorry that someone was not to nice to you , I feel like leaving

the List cause of all of this ,goshhhh can't ppl be decient to other's ,hey?

it's Christmas or Close too it , so weird scientist at least try to be

civil to other members and if you donot understand a post ask others to

explain it so you do understand what they are saying ,goshhh I dislike it

when ppl accuse and start being nasty too other list members or others so

my decision is either stay or leave I'm don't need this ,right now ,and

neither does anyone else

Deborah ( hi Gracia hope all is well with you ,messed up my meds a bit

Getting back on track ,I hope )

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> weird Scientist wrote:

>>

>> hate it when people like you give smart-ass analogies without

>> understanding !@#$ about what others go through.

>

> Let's see if I got this straight. You post that you self diagnosed

> yourself as hypothyroid using a saliva test and prescribed 1/2 grain of

> Armour. Half a dozen people on this list then respond that your are

> probably grossly under dosed. You are surprised that your minuscule dose

> does not relieve your glaucoma, the diagnosis for which is confirmed by

> an actual doctor.

>

> And your response to my analogy is to call ME a moron?

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oh really?..I wouldn't normally be this worried but the doctor that diagnosed me

with Glaucoma said I have already lost 70% of my Optic Nerve...thatz why I am

concerned about the eye pain.

I did post my salivary test results a while ago, but here they are anywayz:

Estradiol

9

Male(20-49): 1 - 3 pg/ml

Male(50-85): 1 - 5 pg/ml

Progesterone

106

Male(adult): 5 - 95pg/ml

Free Testosterone

59

Male(20-30) : 60 - 110pg/ml

Cortisol (7 -8 AM)

15 Normal ( 13 - 24nM)

(11-noon)

3 Depressed (5 - 10 nM)

(4 -5)

3 Normal( 4 - 5 nM)

( 11 - Midn)

3 Normal (1 - 4 nM)

Cortisol Burden

24

23 - 42

DHEA

9 Normal(Adults(M/F) : 3 - 10 ng/ml)

fTSH

38 Normal

26 - 85 NIU/ML

fT4

0.20 Normal( 0.17 - 0.42 ng/dL)

fT3

0.49 Normal(0.28 - 1.10 pg/ml)

TPO

Negative

thanks a lot.

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird Scientist

wrote:

> ..blurry

> vision...severely dry eyes...and Armour seems to exacerbate the problem

> (atleast in my case).

Those are classic hypoT symptoms. You are simply not getting nearly

enough Armour.

Proper dosing requires fine tuning. Until you get close to an optimum

dose, you will still feel so bad you may not be able to tell which way

is up. You also never told us what your test results indicated.

Chuck

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Happy Late, Late Birthday to you! Mine is 9/26/48.

Venizia

> > > >

> > > > Roni and Venizia,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you both for coming to my defense. Obviously we are dealing with

> > > > someone who is ill and may not be interpreting the postings very

> > > > accurately nor responding rationally to them. We've all been there,

> > > > right? I'll live.

> > > >

> > > > Weird Scientist, the point was that 1/2 grain of Armour is essentially

> > > > no dose at all. If you are indeed hypoT, that amount of medication

won't

> > > > help and in time will leave you feeling worse, as you described.

> > > > However, if you are not hypoT, it might actually cause you to be

hyperT,

> > > > which could very well aggravate the very real glaucoma, and make you

> > > > feel worse, as you described. You need to be treated by someone aware

of

> > > > all three possible conditions and the medication you are taking.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > >

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2007 10:11

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[Guest guest]

HI Deborah,

I wouldn't leave this group because of one person or even more than that. It is

too

valuable.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " hollyberrys " <hollyberrys@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Chuck, sorry that someone was not to nice to you , I feel like leaving

> the List cause of all of this ,goshhhh can't ppl be decient to other's ,hey?

> it's Christmas or Close too it , so weird scientist at least try to be

> civil to other members and if you donot understand a post ask others to

> explain it so you do understand what they are saying ,goshhh I dislike it

> when ppl accuse and start being nasty too other list members or others so

> my decision is either stay or leave I'm don't need this ,right now ,and

> neither does anyone else

> Deborah ( hi Gracia hope all is well with you ,messed up my meds a bit

> Getting back on track ,I hope )

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

>

> > weird Scientist wrote:

> >>

> >> hate it when people like you give smart-ass analogies without

> >> understanding !@#$ about what others go through.

> >

> > Let's see if I got this straight. You post that you self diagnosed

> > yourself as hypothyroid using a saliva test and prescribed 1/2 grain of

> > Armour. Half a dozen people on this list then respond that your are

> > probably grossly under dosed. You are surprised that your minuscule dose

> > does not relieve your glaucoma, the diagnosis for which is confirmed by

> > an actual doctor.

> >

> > And your response to my analogy is to call ME a moron?

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I did understand the analogy...but the analogy was WRONG...I AM getting

appreciable benefits from it ...have more energy than I had before..I feel a

little less cold...and my joints feel ecstatic...but there are some undesirable

side effects too... like chest congestion & severe dry eyes (painful too)

....Armour also triggered a very bad cold the last time I had it..can't be a

coincidence really.

yes probably nothing in his post that was serious enough to...never mind...if he

had prefaced his comment with a " Welcome to our group! I understand! " .....I

would NOT have said a THING.... is just simple courtesy that you extend when you

talk to a new person.

WS

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

If you hang around long enough to get to know Chuck even a little

bit

then you will find that he is about the last person in the world to give

any kind of " smart @$$ " thoughtless response. Not only is Chuck more of

the opposite temperament, he is our resident PhD scientist. We value

him highly here; even those who do not appreciate the scientific method

DO appreciate Chuck. I saw absolutely nothing in his post poking fun at

you.

In case you still haven't figured it out what Chuck was saying is that

the dose of Armour that you're taking is too small to have any

appreciable benefit.

ly, your resorting to calling someone a moron who was only trying

to help speaks extremely poorly of you. I hope the impression you have

managed to give is false; and that you were just having a bad day. For

most of us to call Chuck a moron would be a little like Homer Simpson

instructing Einstein on the differences between special and general

relativity.

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> <http://groups. / group/hypothyroi dism/message/ 32924;_ylc=

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78

> <mailto:weirdscientist78?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Armour%

20and%20Glaucoma >

> weirdscientist78 <http://profiles. / weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:15 pm (PST)

>

> well...that was the first response I got from him...I acted based on

> first impression..

> and if he didn't have anything to say, he could've left it at that..I

> don't know why he had to poke fun at me with those comments abt

> getting drunk.

>

> venizia1948 <nelsoncksbcglobal (DOT) net <mailto:nelsonck% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> wrote: Oh my gosh, I am totally shocked that you can be so rude. If

> you have read any of our

> previous posts you would know what kind of person Chuck is. I do not

> think there as ever

> been any one as harsh and rude as you in this group. We try to help

> people here........ we

> all have our opinions but my gosh that was uncalled for.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> > > ... I started with 1/2 grain a

> > > day(sublingual) for nearly 6-7 days during which the pain in my eyes

> > > steadily climbed...I couldn't be sure if it was the Armour or coz of a

> > > test that the Ophth had performed the previous week( he was looking

> > > behind the retina with a lotta bright lights)....

> >

> > 1/2 grain of Armour is a bit like smelling the cork and expecting to

> get

> > drunk.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

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Chuck is obviously a well educated guy but maybe his replies appear to be

sarcastic at times

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

Hi ,

I did understand the analogy...but the analogy was WRONG...I AM getting

appreciable benefits from it ...have more energy than I had before..I feel a

little less cold...and my joints feel ecstatic...but there are some undesirable

side effects too... like chest congestion & severe dry eyes (painful too)

....Armour also triggered a very bad cold the last time I had it..can't be a

coincidence really.

yes probably nothing in his post that was serious enough to...never mind...if he

had prefaced his comment with a " Welcome to our group! I understand! " .....I

would NOT have said a THING.... is just simple courtesy that you extend when you

talk to a new person.

WS

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

If you hang around long enough to get to know Chuck even a little bit

then you will find that he is about the last person in the world to give

any kind of " smart @$$ " thoughtless response. Not only is Chuck more of

the opposite temperament, he is our resident PhD scientist. We value

him highly here; even those who do not appreciate the scientific method

DO appreciate Chuck. I saw absolutely nothing in his post poking fun at

you.

In case you still haven't figured it out what Chuck was saying is that

the dose of Armour that you're taking is too small to have any

appreciable benefit.

ly, your resorting to calling someone a moron who was only trying

to help speaks extremely poorly of you. I hope the impression you have

managed to give is false; and that you were just having a bad day. For

most of us to call Chuck a moron would be a little like Homer Simpson

instructing Einstein on the differences between special and general

relativity.

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> <http://groups. / group/hypothyroi dism/message/ 32924;_ylc=

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78

> <mailto:weirdscientist78?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Armour%

20and%20Glaucoma >

> weirdscientist78 <http://profiles. / weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:15 pm (PST)

>

> well...that was the first response I got from him...I acted based on

> first impression..

> and if he didn't have anything to say, he could've left it at that..I

> don't know why he had to poke fun at me with those comments abt

> getting drunk.

>

> venizia1948 <nelsoncksbcglobal (DOT) net <mailto:nelsonck% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> wrote: Oh my gosh, I am totally shocked that you can be so rude. If

> you have read any of our

> previous posts you would know what kind of person Chuck is. I do not

> think there as ever

> been any one as harsh and rude as you in this group. We try to help

> people here........ we

> all have our opinions but my gosh that was uncalled for.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> > > ... I started with 1/2 grain a

> > > day(sublingual) for nearly 6-7 days during which the pain in my eyes

> > > steadily climbed...I couldn't be sure if it was the Armour or coz of a

> > > test that the Ophth had performed the previous week( he was looking

> > > behind the retina with a lotta bright lights)....

> >

> > 1/2 grain of Armour is a bit like smelling the cork and expecting to

> get

> > drunk.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

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I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling better and

getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about Christmas.

Be well!

CW

-- Re: Armour and Glaucoma

Hi Chuck, sorry that someone was not to nice to you , I feel like leaving

the List cause of all of this ,goshhhh can't ppl be decient to other's ,hey?

it's Christmas or Close too it , so weird scientist at least try to be

civil to other members and if you donot understand a post ask others to

explain it so you do understand what they are saying ,goshhh I dislike it

when ppl accuse and start being nasty too other list members or others so

my decision is either stay or leave I'm don't need this ,right now ,and

neither does anyone else

Deborah ( hi Gracia hope all is well with you ,messed up my meds a bit

Getting back on track ,I hope )

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> weird Scientist wrote:

>>

>> hate it when people like you give smart-ass analogies without

>> understanding !@#$ about what others go through.

>

> Let's see if I got this straight. You post that you self diagnosed

> yourself as hypothyroid using a saliva test and prescribed 1/2 grain of

> Armour. Half a dozen people on this list then respond that your are

> probably grossly under dosed. You are surprised that your minuscule dose

> does not relieve your glaucoma, the diagnosis for which is confirmed by

> an actual doctor.

>

> And your response to my analogy is to call ME a moron?

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Ashwin. Let's start getting over the intro already and move on so we

can help you get better health! You mentioned that there are undesirable

side effects, but Armour has no known side effects (unless you are taking

not enough or too much and then it would still be effects from low thyroid

not Armour). In your case it seems like your on not enough. You cannot get

a cold virus from taking Armour. Your immune system is weak just from

having low thyroid function. Try Primal Defense. I recently began

Antibiotic's " from www.lifenetmarketing.com The ingredients in this kept

me from having to go to the doctor. I usually wait out my illnesses,

however, this time I was getting progressively worse to the point where I

couldn't talk or laugh from the pain in my throat. I started on the

antibiotic " ( Vit A, Vit C, bioflavonoids, whole bovine desiccated thymus,

echinacea extract, bee propolis, garlic, and many many others) Wednesday

evening and now I can barely fell the knot in my throat. Woohoo!!!!!

CW

-- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

Hi ,

I did understand the analogy...but the analogy was WRONG...I AM getting

appreciable benefits from it ...have more energy than I had before..I feel a

little less cold...and my joints feel ecstatic...but there are some

undesirable side effects too... like chest congestion & severe dry eyes

(painful too) ...Armour also triggered a very bad cold the last time I had

it..can't be a coincidence really.

yes probably nothing in his post that was serious enough to...never mind..

if he had prefaced his comment with a " Welcome to our group! I understand! " .

....I would NOT have said a THING.... is just simple courtesy that you extend

when you talk to a new person.

WS

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

If you hang around long enough to get to know Chuck even a little bit

then you will find that he is about the last person in the world to give

any kind of " smart @$$ " thoughtless response. Not only is Chuck more of

the opposite temperament, he is our resident PhD scientist. We value

him highly here; even those who do not appreciate the scientific method

DO appreciate Chuck. I saw absolutely nothing in his post poking fun at

you.

In case you still haven't figured it out what Chuck was saying is that

the dose of Armour that you're taking is too small to have any

appreciable benefit.

ly, your resorting to calling someone a moron who was only trying

to help speaks extremely poorly of you. I hope the impression you have

managed to give is false; and that you were just having a bad day. For

most of us to call Chuck a moron would be a little like Homer Simpson

instructing Einstein on the differences between special and general

relativity.

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> <http://groups. / group/hypothyroi dism/message/ 32924;_ylc=

X3oDMTJxbTZlamVj BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1 BGdycElkAzE0NTY2 NARncnBzcElkAzE3

MDkyNTEwODIEbXNn SWQDMzI5MjQEc2Vj A2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Zt c2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5

NjkxMjU0MA- ->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78

> <mailto:weirdscientist78?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Armour%

20and%20Glaucoma >

> weirdscientist78 <http://profiles. / weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:15 pm (PST)

>

> well...that was the first response I got from him...I acted based on

> first impression..

> and if he didn't have anything to say, he could've left it at that..I

> don't know why he had to poke fun at me with those comments abt

> getting drunk.

>

> venizia1948 <nelsoncksbcglobal (DOT) net <mailto:nelsonck% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> wrote: Oh my gosh, I am totally shocked that you can be so rude. If

> you have read any of our

> previous posts you would know what kind of person Chuck is. I do not

> think there as ever

> been any one as harsh and rude as you in this group. We try to help

> people here........ we

> all have our opinions but my gosh that was uncalled for.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> > > ... I started with 1/2 grain a

> > > day(sublingual) for nearly 6-7 days during which the pain in my eyes

> > > steadily climbed...I couldn't be sure if it was the Armour or coz of a

> > > test that the Ophth had performed the previous week( he was looking

> > > behind the retina with a lotta bright lights)....

> >

> > 1/2 grain of Armour is a bit like smelling the cork and expecting to

> get

> > drunk.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I am on Primal Defense, and I absolutely love it. I take the powdered version

of it, and it really seems to help with my gut.

Blessings,

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

Hey Ashwin. Let's start getting over the intro already and move on so

we

can help you get better health! You mentioned that there are undesirable

side effects, but Armour has no known side effects (unless you are taking

not enough or too much and then it would still be effects from low thyroid

not Armour). In your case it seems like your on not enough. You cannot get

a cold virus from taking Armour. Your immune system is weak just from

having low thyroid function. Try Primal Defense. I recently began

Antibiotic's " from www.lifenetmarketing.com The ingredients in this kept

me from having to go to the doctor. I usually wait out my illnesses,

however, this time I was getting progressively worse to the point where I

couldn't talk or laugh from the pain in my throat. I started on the

antibiotic " ( Vit A, Vit C, bioflavonoids, whole bovine desiccated thymus,

echinacea extract, bee propolis, garlic, and many many others) Wednesday

evening and now I can barely fell the knot in my throat. Woohoo!!!!!

CW

-- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

Hi ,

I did understand the analogy...but the analogy was WRONG...I AM getting

appreciable benefits from it ...have more energy than I had before..I feel a

little less cold...and my joints feel ecstatic...but there are some

undesirable side effects too... like chest congestion & severe dry eyes

(painful too) ...Armour also triggered a very bad cold the last time I had

it..can't be a coincidence really.

yes probably nothing in his post that was serious enough to...never mind..

if he had prefaced his comment with a " Welcome to our group! I understand! " .

....I would NOT have said a THING.... is just simple courtesy that you extend

when you talk to a new person.

WS

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

If you hang around long enough to get to know Chuck even a little bit

then you will find that he is about the last person in the world to give

any kind of " smart @$$ " thoughtless response. Not only is Chuck more of

the opposite temperament, he is our resident PhD scientist. We value

him highly here; even those who do not appreciate the scientific method

DO appreciate Chuck. I saw absolutely nothing in his post poking fun at

you.

In case you still haven't figured it out what Chuck was saying is that

the dose of Armour that you're taking is too small to have any

appreciable benefit.

ly, your resorting to calling someone a moron who was only trying

to help speaks extremely poorly of you. I hope the impression you have

managed to give is false; and that you were just having a bad day. For

most of us to call Chuck a moron would be a little like Homer Simpson

instructing Einstein on the differences between special and general

relativity.

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> <http://groups. / group/hypothyroi dism/message/ 32924;_ylc=

X3oDMTJxbTZlamVj BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1 BGdycElkAzE0NTY2 NARncnBzcElkAzE3

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78

> <mailto:weirdscientist78?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Armour%

20and%20Glaucoma >

> weirdscientist78 <http://profiles. / weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:15 pm (PST)

>

> well...that was the first response I got from him...I acted based on

> first impression..

> and if he didn't have anything to say, he could've left it at that..I

> don't know why he had to poke fun at me with those comments abt

> getting drunk.

>

> venizia1948 <nelsoncksbcglobal (DOT) net <mailto:nelsonck% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> wrote: Oh my gosh, I am totally shocked that you can be so rude. If

> you have read any of our

> previous posts you would know what kind of person Chuck is. I do not

> think there as ever

> been any one as harsh and rude as you in this group. We try to help

> people here........ we

> all have our opinions but my gosh that was uncalled for.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> > > ... I started with 1/2 grain a

> > > day(sublingual) for nearly 6-7 days during which the pain in my eyes

> > > steadily climbed...I couldn't be sure if it was the Armour or coz of a

> > > test that the Ophth had performed the previous week( he was looking

> > > behind the retina with a lotta bright lights)....

> >

> > 1/2 grain of Armour is a bit like smelling the cork and expecting to

> get

> > drunk.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Venizia,

You wrote:

>

>... now you can figure out out old I am!

I don't need to figure. All the events of that year are on my coffee mug.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

weird Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

You wrote:

>

> I did post my salivary test results a while ago, but here they are anywayz:

>

> Estradiol

> 9

> Male(20-49): 1 - 3 pg/ml

> Male(50-85): 1 - 5 pg/ml

>

> Progesterone

> 106

> Male(adult): 5 - 95pg/ml

>

> Free Testosterone

> 59

> Male(20-30) : 60 - 110pg/ml

>

> Cortisol (7 -8 AM)

> 15 Normal ( 13 - 24nM)

>

> (11-noon)

> 3 Depressed (5 - 10 nM)

>

> (4 -5)

> 3 Normal( 4 - 5 nM)

>

> ( 11 - Midn)

> 3 Normal (1 - 4 nM)

>

> Cortisol Burden

> 24

> 23 - 42

>

> DHEA

> 9 Normal(Adults(M/F) : 3 - 10 ng/ml)

>

> fTSH

> 38 Normal

> 26 - 85 NIU/ML

>

> fT4

> 0.20 Normal( 0.17 - 0.42 ng/dL)

>

> fT3

> 0.49 Normal(0.28 - 1.10 pg/ml)

>

> TPO

> Negative

>

> thanks a lot.

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote: weird

> Scientist wrote:

> > ..blurry

> > vision...severely dry eyes...and Armour seems to exacerbate the problem

> > (atleast in my case).

>

> Those are classic hypoT symptoms. You are simply not getting nearly

> enough Armour.

>

> Proper dosing requires fine tuning. Until you get close to an optimum

> dose, you will still feel so bad you may not be able to tell which way

> is up. You also never told us what your test results indicated.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

> it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

HA! You are a senior citizen too! Isn't is great!

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> Venizia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >... now you can figure out out old I am!

>

> I don't need to figure. All the events of that year are on my coffee

mug.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the

labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like

this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)...

even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic..and I

HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now

if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all

that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week

now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it.

anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about itz

detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes)

WS

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird

Scientist,

So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour?

Chuck

You wrote:

>

> I did post my salivary test results a while ago, but here they are anywayz:

>

> Estradiol

> 9

> Male(20-49): 1 - 3 pg/ml

> Male(50-85): 1 - 5 pg/ml

>

> Progesterone

> 106

> Male(adult): 5 - 95pg/ml

>

> Free Testosterone

> 59

> Male(20-30) : 60 - 110pg/ml

>

> Cortisol (7 -8 AM)

> 15 Normal ( 13 - 24nM)

>

> (11-noon)

> 3 Depressed (5 - 10 nM)

>

> (4 -5)

> 3 Normal( 4 - 5 nM)

>

> ( 11 - Midn)

> 3 Normal (1 - 4 nM)

>

> Cortisol Burden

> 24

> 23 - 42

>

> DHEA

> 9 Normal(Adults(M/F) : 3 - 10 ng/ml)

>

> fTSH

> 38 Normal

> 26 - 85 NIU/ML

>

> fT4

> 0.20 Normal( 0.17 - 0.42 ng/dL)

>

> fT3

> 0.49 Normal(0.28 - 1.10 pg/ml)

>

> TPO

> Negative

>

> thanks a lot.

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote: weird

> Scientist wrote:

> > ..blurry

> > vision...severely dry eyes...and Armour seems to exacerbate the problem

> > (atleast in my case).

>

> Those are classic hypoT symptoms. You are simply not getting nearly

> enough Armour.

>

> Proper dosing requires fine tuning. Until you get close to an optimum

> dose, you will still feel so bad you may not be able to tell which way

> is up. You also never told us what your test results indicated.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

> it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend anybody else in

the group..I already look like the Grinch...and heyyyyy I do care about

Christmas....I get a day off...lol

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: I

hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling better and

getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about Christmas.

Be well!

CW

-- Re: Armour and Glaucoma

Hi Chuck, sorry that someone was not to nice to you , I feel like leaving

the List cause of all of this ,goshhhh can't ppl be decient to other's ,hey?

it's Christmas or Close too it , so weird scientist at least try to be

civil to other members and if you donot understand a post ask others to

explain it so you do understand what they are saying ,goshhh I dislike it

when ppl accuse and start being nasty too other list members or others so

my decision is either stay or leave I'm don't need this ,right now ,and

neither does anyone else

Deborah ( hi Gracia hope all is well with you ,messed up my meds a bit

Getting back on track ,I hope )

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> weird Scientist wrote:

>>

>> hate it when people like you give smart-ass analogies without

>> understanding !@#$ about what others go through.

>

> Let's see if I got this straight. You post that you self diagnosed

> yourself as hypothyroid using a saliva test and prescribed 1/2 grain of

> Armour. Half a dozen people on this list then respond that your are

> probably grossly under dosed. You are surprised that your minuscule dose

> does not relieve your glaucoma, the diagnosis for which is confirmed by

> an actual doctor.

>

> And your response to my analogy is to call ME a moron?

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Of course they don't:) You just count yourself as blessed cause you got me

praying for ya.

-- Re: Armour and Glaucoma

Hi Chuck, sorry that someone was not to nice to you , I feel like leaving

the List cause of all of this ,goshhhh can't ppl be decient to other's ,hey?

it's Christmas or Close too it , so weird scientist at least try to be

civil to other members and if you donot understand a post ask others to

explain it so you do understand what they are saying ,goshhh I dislike it

when ppl accuse and start being nasty too other list members or others so

my decision is either stay or leave I'm don't need this ,right now ,and

neither does anyone else

Deborah ( hi Gracia hope all is well with you ,messed up my meds a bit

Getting back on track ,I hope )

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> weird Scientist wrote:

>>

>> hate it when people like you give smart-ass analogies without

>> understanding !@#$ about what others go through.

>

> Let's see if I got this straight. You post that you self diagnosed

> yourself as hypothyroid using a saliva test and prescribed 1/2 grain of

> Armour. Half a dozen people on this list then respond that your are

> probably grossly under dosed. You are surprised that your minuscule dose

> does not relieve your glaucoma, the diagnosis for which is confirmed by

> an actual doctor.

>

> And your response to my analogy is to call ME a moron?

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whatever you are is irrelevant. How you behave with other adults that

are trying to help you is another matter. Whether you are a male or

female, and wish to be addressed as such, sign your name or a name

that indicates your gender, then there won't be any problem. In English

it is customary to refer to people by him until made otherwise aware.

You still don't seem to " get it. " People on this list are trying to help

you, which is what this list is for. If you want to be helped provide the

information that will allow this. If you don't understand something that

was posted. Ask. If you want to be treated civilly, so do we so behave

in a manner that you would like to receive.

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend anybody else in

the group..I already look like the Grinch...and heyyyyy I do care about

Christmas....I get a day off...lol

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and

I hope you are feeling better and

getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about Christmas.

Be well!

CW

-- Re: Armour and Glaucoma

Hi Chuck, sorry that someone was not to nice to you , I feel like leaving

the List cause of all of this ,goshhhh can't ppl be decient to other's ,hey?

it's Christmas or Close too it , so weird scientist at least try to be

civil to other members and if you donot understand a post ask others to

explain it so you do understand what they are saying ,goshhh I dislike it

when ppl accuse and start being nasty too other list members or others so

my decision is either stay or leave I'm don't need this ,right now ,and

neither does anyone else

Deborah ( hi Gracia hope all is well with you ,messed up my meds a bit

Getting back on track ,I hope )

Re: Armour and Glaucoma

> weird Scientist wrote:

>>

>> hate it when people like you give smart-ass analogies without

>> understanding !@#$ about what others go through.

>

> Let's see if I got this straight. You post that you self diagnosed

> yourself as hypothyroid using a saliva test and prescribed 1/2 grain of

> Armour. Half a dozen people on this list then respond that your are

> probably grossly under dosed. You are surprised that your minuscule dose

> does not relieve your glaucoma, the diagnosis for which is confirmed by

> an actual doctor.

>

> And your response to my analogy is to call ME a moron?

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, we're all individuals; and with often different reactions to the

same medications or other substances. Normally one would not expect to

have much reaction at all to the level of dosage you were reporting. I

know I sometimes have strange reactions to medications. I've had my

doctor tell me, " You CAN'T have that reaction; there's nothing there to

cause it " . Yet in fact I did have exactly the reaction described; and

repeatedly. He finally said that maybe I'm having a response to a

normally inert ingredient.

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

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hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NjcEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

>

<mailto:weirdscientist78@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Fri Dec 7, 2007 6:54 am (PST)

>

> Hi ,

>

> I did understand the analogy...but the analogy was WRONG...I AM

> getting appreciable benefits from it ...have more energy than I had

> before..I feel a little less cold...and my joints feel ecstatic...but

> there are some undesirable side effects too... like chest congestion &

> severe dry eyes (painful too) ...Armour also triggered a very bad cold

> the last time I had it..can't be a coincidence really.

>

> yes probably nothing in his post that was serious enough to...never

> mind...if he had prefaced his comment with a " Welcome to our group! I

> understand! "

> .....I would NOT have said a THING.... is just simple courtesy that

> you extend when you talk to a new person.

>

> WS

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

> If you hang around long enough to get to know Chuck even a little bit

>

> then you will find that he is about the last person in the world to give

>

> any kind of " smart @$$ " thoughtless response. Not only is Chuck more of

>

> the opposite temperament, he is our resident PhD scientist. We value

>

> him highly here; even those who do not appreciate the scientific method

>

> DO appreciate Chuck. I saw absolutely nothing in his post poking fun at

>

> you.

>

> In case you still haven't figured it out what Chuck was saying is that

>

> the dose of Armour that you're taking is too small to have any

>

> appreciable benefit.

>

> ly, your resorting to calling someone a moron who was only trying

>

> to help speaks extremely poorly of you. I hope the impression you have

>

> managed to give is false; and that you were just having a bad day. For

>

> most of us to call Chuck a moron would be a little like Homer Simpson

>

> instructing Einstein on the differences between special and general

>

> relativity.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Young whippersnappers!

Grump, grump, grump...

[1/13/1941]

> .

>

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

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xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzMEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " venizia1948 " nelsonck@...

>

<mailto:nelsonck@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> venizia1948 <venizia1948>

>

>

> Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:30 pm (PST)

>

> HA! You are a senior citizen too! Isn't is great!

>

> Venizia

>

> -- In hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, Chuck B <gumboyaya@.

> ..> wrote:

> >

> > Venizia,

> >

> > You wrote:

> > >

> > >... now you can figure out out old I am!

> >

> > I don't need to figure. All the events of that year are on my coffee

> mug.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

[Guest guest]

When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the wrong

type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact, so it

can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly what is

going on.

Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

kids really love it...

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32974;_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ\

0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

>

<mailto:weirdscientist78@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

>

> so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

>

> about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> .I get a day off...lol

>

> Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> better and

> getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about Christmas.

> Be well!

> CW

[Guest guest]

,

I do believe Weird Scientist was referring to " HER " . as in why doesn't anyone

think Weird Scientist is a female?

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

When someone here is " spaced out " I suspect it's seldom the medication

causing it; except possibly when the medication is too low or the wrong

type. Hypothyroidism is just one of a number of conditions we can have

that involve some kind of hormone difficulty. And hormone problems can

cause _many_ different kinds or reactions. Many of them interact, so it

can be really impossible sometimes to try to figure out exactly what is

going on.

Personally, Christmas is more of a PITA than anything else. But the

kids really love it...

>

> Re: Armour and Glaucoma

>

<hypothyroidism/message/32974;_ylc=X3oDMTJxY3NmaDZ\

0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI5NzQEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NzEwOTAwOA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@...

> <mailto:weirdscientist78@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma>

> weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78>

>

>

> Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:54 pm (PST)

>

> so nobody here thinks the meds are spacing HER out?..

>

> about the Christmas comment...oh man!!!!.. I don't wanna offend

> anybody else in the group..I already look like the Grinch...and

> heyyyyy I do care about Christmas...

> .I get a day off...lol

>

> Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> wrote: I hope you don't leave the list and I hope you are feeling

> better and

> getting your meds back on track. I highly doubt WS cares about Christmas.

> Be well!

> CW

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[Guest guest]

,

Well, you never sound, in your posts, like you are MUCH older than us but you

are. OOPS

sorry! Didn't mean for my fingers to type that. You sound like a

whippersnapper

yourself. A very late happy birthday to you. In a few weeks we can be on time

for you!

Venizia

PS don't want to sound stupid but what does PITA stand for? I'm sure if I

thought about it I

would figure it out.

> > > >

> > > >... now you can figure out out old I am!

> > >

> > > I don't need to figure. All the events of that year are on my coffee

> > mug.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

>