Re: Armour and Glaucoma

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It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood.

Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's

not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do

about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot.

Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth

it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and

should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very

hungry and aggressive sharks.

Sam :-D

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Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards

which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less. Gracia-

if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you

make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a

comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement.

Take care,

no

I said Dr. Derry STARTS his patients on 180mg. usual doses of Armour are

180--300mg.

I am taking 240mg all in the morning (chewed up). In one week I went from

90mg to 240mg. I just tried more until I felt good.

Gracia

how are the ppl in Milwaukee doing? I guess there was a bad storm there.

Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.?

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oh man!!!! .I'd love to do that to a few of my previous docs...lol...very

imaginative!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WS

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: It's Lara or

Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood.

Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's

not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do

about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot.

Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth

it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and

should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very

hungry and aggressive sharks.

Sam :-D

> >

> > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in

> Seattle.

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> > Roni

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it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is 180--300mgs. I

am not recommending anything unusual. If a person doesn't feel well, has hypo

symptoms, then it only makes sense to increase. I think many peeps stay on

lower doses b/c of low adrenals. (which docs don't treat)

Gracia

Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards

which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less. Gracia-

if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you

make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a

comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement.

Take care,

no

I said Dr. Derry STARTS his patients on 180mg. usual doses of Armour are

180--300mg.

I am taking 240mg all in the morning (chewed up). In one week I went from

90mg to 240mg. I just tried more until I felt good.

Gracia

how are the ppl in Milwaukee doing? I guess there was a bad storm there.

Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.?

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Lara Litov ND

I went to her in Belfast Maine---what a wonderful wonderful person. super

smart. but I am sure the other one recommneded by Sam is good too. this is

the future of medicine.

Gracia

It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood.

Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's

not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do

about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot.

Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth

it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and

should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very

hungry and aggressive sharks.

Sam :-D

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OOOOH! Are you people sure you are not from Rome? as in season ticket holders

at the Colliseum? LOL

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

oh man!!!! .I'd love to do that to a few of my previous

docs...lol...very imaginative!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WS

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a

clinic in Stanwood.

Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's

not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do

about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot.

Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth

it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and

should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very

hungry and aggressive sharks.

Sam :-D

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> > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in

> Seattle.

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> > Roni

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Oh I can think up way better stuff...

Just apply common sense to your own health, and oif any doctors seems

like they have lost their common sense, run away quickly. Or you

can do like I do and figuratively bash them up side the head a few

times with a spikey caveman club so see if their brains will

reboot...

Sam :-D

Merry Xmas, y'all

> ...and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and

> should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very

> hungry and aggressive sharks.

>

> Sam :-D

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is

> 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual...

Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the

MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the

manufacturer's recommendation at face value.

Chuck

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we can't do that b/c it's too low. the dose that works is 180-300mg.

really. most of those ppl are probly taking cortef too. I guess well

accepted by the peeps on good thyroid lists.

I just looked in Hertoghe's book Hormone Solution, do you have that? It's a

good book. He recommends up to 300mg Armour. My coworker is allowed to take

90-120mg Armour b/c of TSH test. She looks awful and is sick a lot.

what is the frigging point of undertreating us???

Gracia

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is

> 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual...

Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the

MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the

manufacturer's recommendation at face value.

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Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg

on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain

tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get

tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have

no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my

goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM

recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was

stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the

patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went

up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour

we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to

support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse.

Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that

weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight

loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I

didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to

take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon.

All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is

that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches

them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg

but for me it didn't work.

> >

> > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is

> > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual...

>

> Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the

> MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the

> manufacturer's recommendation at face value.

>

> Chuck

>

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Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you were not taking

enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not underdose you on Armour.

Gracia

Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg

on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain

tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get

tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have

no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my

goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM

recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was

stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the

patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went

up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour

we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to

support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse.

Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that

weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight

loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I

didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to

take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon.

All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is

that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches

them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg

but for me it didn't work.

> >

> > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is

> > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual...

>

> Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the

> MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the

> manufacturer's recommendation at face value.

>

> Chuck

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Gracia,

I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't really understand how if 24

mg dose of iodorol makes the hashi's, goiter and hypo worse that

raising it even more will help. I have Dr. Brownstein's iodine book

and the maximum dose it says to take is 50 but I can't find anything

stating that a lower dose would cause MORE problems and then raising

higher would solve it. You take a large dose of Armour right? If

iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much? For me the

larger dose of Armour is what finally shrunk the goiter and took away

the hypo symptoms.

Again - you may be right but I don't understand the mechanism. If one

had a vitamin C deficiency and symptoms from it wouldn't at least SOME

of the symptoms improve if they took a smaller than optimal dose of

Vitamin C - certainly wouldn't get worse. I guess I'm asking WHERE

it is stated that one can be worse on 24 mg of iodorol as opposed to

none and yet get better on 50?

Also I get more pimples (yep - a little acne left at 58!) when I take

iodorol. I was on 24 and sometimes more for 9 months and it was still

a problem with breakouts. Doctor finally told me to just not take it.

I take one of them once or twice a week now because I do feel the

body needs iodine for many things. I tend to be rather strange and

never fit the norm in most things anyway - often contradictory things

going on so who knows?

>

>

> Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you

were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not

underdose you on Armour.

> Gracia

>

>

> goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

> grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

> showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

> and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

>

>

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alexisandtim_fl wrote:

>

>

> Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg

> on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain

> tablets!

Dose is proportional to body mass. Synthroid does a similar thing,

manufacturing 300 mcg tablets, when they recommend no dose higher than

200 mcg. Obviously some people need more than the recommended maximum,

but that does not mean that everyone should try that. You need to have a

good reason to do so.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

alexisandtim_fl wrote:

> ... You take a large dose of Armour right? If

> iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much?...

We should also keep in mind that each molecule of levothyroxine contains

FOUR atoms of iodine; T3 contains three, and so on. Armour IS a form of

iodine.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Apparently it is so since some people do well on lower doses. One

thing with me is that as soon as I got on 60 mg my TSH was below

normal - not sure what it is now - hasn't been tested - don't care as

long as I feel good. In my case Armour keeps cutting down what my own

thyroid makes and I've read several places that stopping your own from

producing causes the autoimmune attack to subside - obviously did

something because the thyroid shrank back to close to normal. Perhaps

this feedback thing doesn't do that with everyone but Armour is a

treatment for hashis to stop the antibodies and I don't think a low

dose would do much except make you tired once again in that case.

There is so much in the way of conflicting opinions - even among very

holistic doctors so I think it must be a very individual thing.

Before I went on armour we corrected several deficiencies found on

spectracell testing despite my supplementing and good diet - added

betaine HCL and digestive enzymes. In my case also I have very high

levels of lead and cadmium and after over a year of chelation and it

coming out and out it is still high - so that could have something to

do with it. I think this illustrates why we need doctors to look on

people as individuals and do the detective work to find reasons and

correct them. And mostly it doesn't happen. Those that practice that

way often don't take insurance like mine - but he also isn't taking

new patients because he limits it to what he can handle without

treating them like cattle or getting himself out of balance. I wish

everyone could have a good doctor that did things this way but with

insurance, drug companies and the FDA all out to maintain the high

profits with no real interest in bringing about real health in

patients it just continues. In many ways we are on our own!

> >

> >

> > Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg

> > on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain

> > tablets!

>

> Dose is proportional to body mass. Synthroid does a similar thing,

> manufacturing 300 mcg tablets, when they recommend no dose higher than

> 200 mcg. Obviously some people need more than the recommended maximum,

> but that does not mean that everyone should try that. You need to

have a

> good reason to do so.

>

> Chuck

>

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try Pantothenic Acid for pimples ..

alexisandtim_fl <alexis@...> wrote:

Gracia,

I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't really understand how if 24

mg dose of iodorol makes the hashi's, goiter and hypo worse that

raising it even more will help. I have Dr. Brownstein's iodine book

and the maximum dose it says to take is 50 but I can't find anything

stating that a lower dose would cause MORE problems and then raising

higher would solve it. You take a large dose of Armour right? If

iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much? For me the

larger dose of Armour is what finally shrunk the goiter and took away

the hypo symptoms.

Again - you may be right but I don't understand the mechanism. If one

had a vitamin C deficiency and symptoms from it wouldn't at least SOME

of the symptoms improve if they took a smaller than optimal dose of

Vitamin C - certainly wouldn't get worse. I guess I'm asking WHERE

it is stated that one can be worse on 24 mg of iodorol as opposed to

none and yet get better on 50?

Also I get more pimples (yep - a little acne left at 58!) when I take

iodorol. I was on 24 and sometimes more for 9 months and it was still

a problem with breakouts. Doctor finally told me to just not take it.

I take one of them once or twice a week now because I do feel the

body needs iodine for many things. I tend to be rather strange and

never fit the norm in most things anyway - often contradictory things

going on so who knows?

>

>

> Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you

were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not

underdose you on Armour.

> Gracia

>

>

> goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

> grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

> showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

> and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

>

>

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I agree completely. Each person is different. Height, weight, body type, heart

conditon, muscle condition, hormones, enzymes, vitamins, life style, age and

family history. There is no one treatment fits all, and what works great for

one

person could actually be poison for another.

Roni

alexisandtim_fl <alexis@...> wrote:

Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg

on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain

tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get

tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have

no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my

goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM

recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was

stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the

patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went

up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour

we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to

support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse.

Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that

weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight

loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I

didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to

take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon.

All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is

that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches

them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg

but for me it didn't work.

> >

> > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is

> > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual...

>

> Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the

> MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the

> manufacturer's recommendation at face value.

>

> Chuck

>

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Chuck, can the same thing about iodine in Armour be said for Thyrolar too? One

other

question. Which test should I ask for to find out if my HypoT is hashis?

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

alexisandtim_fl wrote:

> ... You take a large dose of Armour right? If

> iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much?...

We should also keep in mind that each molecule of levothyroxine contains

FOUR atoms of iodine; T3 contains three, and so on. Armour IS a form of

iodine.

Chuck

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yes that is correct- it all comes down to genetics which is Different in

everyone.

nancie

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I agree completely. Each person is different. Height, weight, body type, heart

conditon, muscle condition, hormones, enzymes, vitamins, life style, age and

family history. There is no one treatment fits all, and what works great for

one

person could actually be poison for another.

Roni

alexisandtim_fl <alexis@...<mailto:alexis%40baraneks.com>> wrote:

Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg

on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain

tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get

tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have

no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my

goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM

recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was

stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the

patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went

up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour

we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to

support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse.

Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that

weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight

loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I

didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to

take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon.

All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is

that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches

them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg

but for me it didn't work.

> >

> > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is

> > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual...

>

> Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the

> MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the

> manufacturer's recommendation at face value.

>

> Chuck

>

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I disagree! I think we are actually all the same species, well except for

.....no....

I find that the same things work for almost everybody. It's just a big fight

to get enough of the same things. Confusion reigns when we mix up allopathic

and holistic treatments.

Gracia

I agree completely. Each person is different. Height, weight, body type, heart

conditon, muscle condition, hormones, enzymes, vitamins, life style, age and

family history. There is no one treatment fits all, and what works great for

one

person could actually be poison for another.

Roni

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but BTW iodine affects genetic expression

Gracia

yes that is correct- it all comes down to genetics which is Different in

everyone.

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OMG

is that why peeps on thyroid meds have higher cancer rates?

Gracia

alexisandtim_fl wrote:

> ... You take a large dose of Armour right? If

> iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much?...

We should also keep in mind that each molecule of levothyroxine contains

FOUR atoms of iodine; T3 contains three, and so on. Armour IS a form of

iodine.

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the explanation is here somwhere on the computer--I will look. It's the same

reasoning as taking enough Armour. Iodine/iodide is used everywhere in the

body--you have to take enough for the body to heal itself, which is 50mg per day

minimum. you want to get enough iodine b/c it is cancer protective.

I have taken 50mg Iodoral per day for 2 years now. It is one of the " big

guns " IMO.

Gracia

Gracia,

I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't really understand how if 24

mg dose of iodorol makes the hashi's, goiter and hypo worse that

raising it even more will help. I have Dr. Brownstein's iodine book

and the maximum dose it says to take is 50 but I can't find anything

stating that a lower dose would cause MORE problems and then raising

higher would solve it. You take a large dose of Armour right? If

iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much? For me the

larger dose of Armour is what finally shrunk the goiter and took away

the hypo symptoms.

Again - you may be right but I don't understand the mechanism. If one

had a vitamin C deficiency and symptoms from it wouldn't at least SOME

of the symptoms improve if they took a smaller than optimal dose of

Vitamin C - certainly wouldn't get worse. I guess I'm asking WHERE

it is stated that one can be worse on 24 mg of iodorol as opposed to

none and yet get better on 50?

Also I get more pimples (yep - a little acne left at 58!) when I take

iodorol. I was on 24 and sometimes more for 9 months and it was still

a problem with breakouts. Doctor finally told me to just not take it.

I take one of them once or twice a week now because I do feel the

body needs iodine for many things. I tend to be rather strange and

never fit the norm in most things anyway - often contradictory things

going on so who knows?

>

>

> Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you

were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not

underdose you on Armour.

> Gracia

>

>

> goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4

> grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test

> showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt

> and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more.

>

>

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what I was referring to is THAT since EVERYONE has different genetics [except

for identical twins] NOT all doses will work for everyone. that is there is NOT

one dose of iodine for all. your experience with high doses of iodine Will not

work With EVERYONE.

Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma

goofy.

but BTW iodine affects genetic expression

Gracia

yes that is correct- it all comes down to genetics which is Different in

everyone.

nancie

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alexisandtim_fl wrote:

>

> ... as soon as I got on 60 mg my TSH was below

> normal - not sure what it is now - hasn't been tested - don't care as

> long as I feel good.

Actually, you can feel fine and still be causing heart damage and

osteoporosis. You might want to test every once in awhile, just to be safe.

> ...In my case Armour keeps cutting down what my own

> thyroid makes and I've read several places that stopping your own from

> producing causes the autoimmune attack to subside -....

Nobody knows for certain what causes the immune system to run amok, or

why it goes after one organ or another. Some activity in a weakened

thyroid gland may well trigger or stimulate further Hashimoto's attacks,

but the evidence for that is lacking.

>... In my case also I have very high

> levels of lead and cadmium and after over a year of chelation and it

> coming out and out it is still high

Where did you get cadmium exposure? How did you detect it?

Chuck