Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood. Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot. Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very hungry and aggressive sharks. Sam :-D > > > > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in > Seattle. > > > > Roni > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less. Gracia- if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement. Take care, no I said Dr. Derry STARTS his patients on 180mg. usual doses of Armour are 180--300mg. I am taking 240mg all in the morning (chewed up). In one week I went from 90mg to 240mg. I just tried more until I felt good. Gracia how are the ppl in Milwaukee doing? I guess there was a bad storm there. Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.? Roni **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 oh man!!!! .I'd love to do that to a few of my previous docs...lol...very imaginative!!!!!!!!!!!!! WS Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood. Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot. Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very hungry and aggressive sharks. Sam :-D > > > > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in > Seattle. > > > > Roni > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual. If a person doesn't feel well, has hypo symptoms, then it only makes sense to increase. I think many peeps stay on lower doses b/c of low adrenals. (which docs don't treat) Gracia Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less. Gracia- if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement. Take care, no I said Dr. Derry STARTS his patients on 180mg. usual doses of Armour are 180--300mg. I am taking 240mg all in the morning (chewed up). In one week I went from 90mg to 240mg. I just tried more until I felt good. Gracia how are the ppl in Milwaukee doing? I guess there was a bad storm there. Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.? Roni **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Lara Litov ND I went to her in Belfast Maine---what a wonderful wonderful person. super smart. but I am sure the other one recommneded by Sam is good too. this is the future of medicine. Gracia It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood. Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot. Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very hungry and aggressive sharks. Sam :-D --- Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: 12/23/2007 5:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 OOOOH! Are you people sure you are not from Rome? as in season ticket holders at the Colliseum? LOL Roni weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote: oh man!!!! .I'd love to do that to a few of my previous docs...lol...very imaginative!!!!!!!!!!!!! WS Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: It's Lara or Litov. The one who had a clinic in Stanwood. Ask them that when you call...(she can be googled). But if she's not " the one " , seriously, Joe Wessels actually knows as much as I do about thyroid/adrenals/sex hormones - that is saying a lot. Bellingham is 1 hour 15 minutes from north Seattle. This guy is worth it, and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very hungry and aggressive sharks. Sam :-D > > > > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in > Seattle. > > > > Roni > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Oh I can think up way better stuff... Just apply common sense to your own health, and oif any doctors seems like they have lost their common sense, run away quickly. Or you can do like I do and figuratively bash them up side the head a few times with a spikey caveman club so see if their brains will reboot... Sam :-D Merry Xmas, y'all > ...and I think most medical people in Bellingham are weenies and > should be suspended from poles up their butts over a tank of very > hungry and aggressive sharks. > > Sam :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Gracia, You wrote: > > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual... Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the manufacturer's recommendation at face value. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 we can't do that b/c it's too low. the dose that works is 180-300mg. really. most of those ppl are probly taking cortef too. I guess well accepted by the peeps on good thyroid lists. I just looked in Hertoghe's book Hormone Solution, do you have that? It's a good book. He recommends up to 300mg Armour. My coworker is allowed to take 90-120mg Armour b/c of TSH test. She looks awful and is sick a lot. what is the frigging point of undertreating us??? Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual... Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the manufacturer's recommendation at face value. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse. Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon. All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg but for me it didn't work. > > > > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is > > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual... > > Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the > MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the > manufacturer's recommendation at face value. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not underdose you on Armour. Gracia Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse. Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon. All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg but for me it didn't work. > > > > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is > > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual... > > Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the > MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the > manufacturer's recommendation at face value. > > Chuck > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Gracia, I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't really understand how if 24 mg dose of iodorol makes the hashi's, goiter and hypo worse that raising it even more will help. I have Dr. Brownstein's iodine book and the maximum dose it says to take is 50 but I can't find anything stating that a lower dose would cause MORE problems and then raising higher would solve it. You take a large dose of Armour right? If iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much? For me the larger dose of Armour is what finally shrunk the goiter and took away the hypo symptoms. Again - you may be right but I don't understand the mechanism. If one had a vitamin C deficiency and symptoms from it wouldn't at least SOME of the symptoms improve if they took a smaller than optimal dose of Vitamin C - certainly wouldn't get worse. I guess I'm asking WHERE it is stated that one can be worse on 24 mg of iodorol as opposed to none and yet get better on 50? Also I get more pimples (yep - a little acne left at 58!) when I take iodorol. I was on 24 and sometimes more for 9 months and it was still a problem with breakouts. Doctor finally told me to just not take it. I take one of them once or twice a week now because I do feel the body needs iodine for many things. I tend to be rather strange and never fit the norm in most things anyway - often contradictory things going on so who knows? > > > Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not underdose you on Armour. > Gracia > > > goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 > grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test > showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt > and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 alexisandtim_fl wrote: > > > Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg > on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain > tablets! Dose is proportional to body mass. Synthroid does a similar thing, manufacturing 300 mcg tablets, when they recommend no dose higher than 200 mcg. Obviously some people need more than the recommended maximum, but that does not mean that everyone should try that. You need to have a good reason to do so. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 alexisandtim_fl wrote: > ... You take a large dose of Armour right? If > iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much?... We should also keep in mind that each molecule of levothyroxine contains FOUR atoms of iodine; T3 contains three, and so on. Armour IS a form of iodine. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Apparently it is so since some people do well on lower doses. One thing with me is that as soon as I got on 60 mg my TSH was below normal - not sure what it is now - hasn't been tested - don't care as long as I feel good. In my case Armour keeps cutting down what my own thyroid makes and I've read several places that stopping your own from producing causes the autoimmune attack to subside - obviously did something because the thyroid shrank back to close to normal. Perhaps this feedback thing doesn't do that with everyone but Armour is a treatment for hashis to stop the antibodies and I don't think a low dose would do much except make you tired once again in that case. There is so much in the way of conflicting opinions - even among very holistic doctors so I think it must be a very individual thing. Before I went on armour we corrected several deficiencies found on spectracell testing despite my supplementing and good diet - added betaine HCL and digestive enzymes. In my case also I have very high levels of lead and cadmium and after over a year of chelation and it coming out and out it is still high - so that could have something to do with it. I think this illustrates why we need doctors to look on people as individuals and do the detective work to find reasons and correct them. And mostly it doesn't happen. Those that practice that way often don't take insurance like mine - but he also isn't taking new patients because he limits it to what he can handle without treating them like cattle or getting himself out of balance. I wish everyone could have a good doctor that did things this way but with insurance, drug companies and the FDA all out to maintain the high profits with no real interest in bringing about real health in patients it just continues. In many ways we are on our own! > > > > > > Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg > > on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain > > tablets! > > Dose is proportional to body mass. Synthroid does a similar thing, > manufacturing 300 mcg tablets, when they recommend no dose higher than > 200 mcg. Obviously some people need more than the recommended maximum, > but that does not mean that everyone should try that. You need to have a > good reason to do so. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 try Pantothenic Acid for pimples .. alexisandtim_fl <alexis@...> wrote: Gracia, I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't really understand how if 24 mg dose of iodorol makes the hashi's, goiter and hypo worse that raising it even more will help. I have Dr. Brownstein's iodine book and the maximum dose it says to take is 50 but I can't find anything stating that a lower dose would cause MORE problems and then raising higher would solve it. You take a large dose of Armour right? If iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much? For me the larger dose of Armour is what finally shrunk the goiter and took away the hypo symptoms. Again - you may be right but I don't understand the mechanism. If one had a vitamin C deficiency and symptoms from it wouldn't at least SOME of the symptoms improve if they took a smaller than optimal dose of Vitamin C - certainly wouldn't get worse. I guess I'm asking WHERE it is stated that one can be worse on 24 mg of iodorol as opposed to none and yet get better on 50? Also I get more pimples (yep - a little acne left at 58!) when I take iodorol. I was on 24 and sometimes more for 9 months and it was still a problem with breakouts. Doctor finally told me to just not take it. I take one of them once or twice a week now because I do feel the body needs iodine for many things. I tend to be rather strange and never fit the norm in most things anyway - often contradictory things going on so who knows? > > > Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not underdose you on Armour. > Gracia > > > goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 > grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test > showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt > and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 I agree completely. Each person is different. Height, weight, body type, heart conditon, muscle condition, hormones, enzymes, vitamins, life style, age and family history. There is no one treatment fits all, and what works great for one person could actually be poison for another. Roni alexisandtim_fl <alexis@...> wrote: Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse. Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon. All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg but for me it didn't work. > > > > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is > > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual... > > Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the > MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the > manufacturer's recommendation at face value. > > Chuck > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Chuck, can the same thing about iodine in Armour be said for Thyrolar too? One other question. Which test should I ask for to find out if my HypoT is hashis? Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: alexisandtim_fl wrote: > ... You take a large dose of Armour right? If > iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much?... We should also keep in mind that each molecule of levothyroxine contains FOUR atoms of iodine; T3 contains three, and so on. Armour IS a form of iodine. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 yes that is correct- it all comes down to genetics which is Different in everyone. nancie Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma I agree completely. Each person is different. Height, weight, body type, heart conditon, muscle condition, hormones, enzymes, vitamins, life style, age and family history. There is no one treatment fits all, and what works great for one person could actually be poison for another. Roni alexisandtim_fl <alexis@...<mailto:alexis%40baraneks.com>> wrote: Concerning the maximum dose - they do say a USUAL dose is 15- 180 mg on the bottle (NOT Maximum) - BUT they make it in up to 5 grain tablets! For myself I have had to keep increasing because I would get tired and other symptoms - each time I increase I feel better and have no hyper symptoms - additionally it is the only thing that shrunk my goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. My doctor who is an integrative/preventive doctor and a member of ACAM recently attended the ACAM conference and told me one thing that was stressed was that when it comes to Armour you have to go by the patient's symptoms. Since even he had been uncomfortable when I went up to 3 grains it made him feel better too. Before I went on Armour we tried correcting nutritional deficiencies and anything else to support the thyroid but it just kept getting worse. Since starting armour in April I've lost over 30 pounds and that weight was gained while eating in a way that should have caused weight loss. It was very frustrating before to see the scale climbing when I didn't even have much appetite and was forcing myself out the door to take brisk walks and then feeling like taking naps all afternoon. All I can say is what my own doctor says - one thing he has learned is that PATIENTS do NOT fit into the mold that medical school teaches them. I have no idea why some people claim they feel great on 60 mg but for me it didn't work. > > > > it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is > > 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual... > > Well accepted by whom? The manufacturer says that 180 mgs is the > MAXIMUM recommended dose. I would think more people would take the > manufacturer's recommendation at face value. > > Chuck > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 I disagree! I think we are actually all the same species, well except for .....no.... I find that the same things work for almost everybody. It's just a big fight to get enough of the same things. Confusion reigns when we mix up allopathic and holistic treatments. Gracia I agree completely. Each person is different. Height, weight, body type, heart conditon, muscle condition, hormones, enzymes, vitamins, life style, age and family history. There is no one treatment fits all, and what works great for one person could actually be poison for another. Roni Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Healthy Eating on A place for parents to share their ideas. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 goofy. but BTW iodine affects genetic expression Gracia yes that is correct- it all comes down to genetics which is Different in everyone. nancie Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 OMG is that why peeps on thyroid meds have higher cancer rates? Gracia alexisandtim_fl wrote: > ... You take a large dose of Armour right? If > iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much?... We should also keep in mind that each molecule of levothyroxine contains FOUR atoms of iodine; T3 contains three, and so on. Armour IS a form of iodine. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 the explanation is here somwhere on the computer--I will look. It's the same reasoning as taking enough Armour. Iodine/iodide is used everywhere in the body--you have to take enough for the body to heal itself, which is 50mg per day minimum. you want to get enough iodine b/c it is cancer protective. I have taken 50mg Iodoral per day for 2 years now. It is one of the " big guns " IMO. Gracia Gracia, I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't really understand how if 24 mg dose of iodorol makes the hashi's, goiter and hypo worse that raising it even more will help. I have Dr. Brownstein's iodine book and the maximum dose it says to take is 50 but I can't find anything stating that a lower dose would cause MORE problems and then raising higher would solve it. You take a large dose of Armour right? If iodine solved everything wouldn't you not need so much? For me the larger dose of Armour is what finally shrunk the goiter and took away the hypo symptoms. Again - you may be right but I don't understand the mechanism. If one had a vitamin C deficiency and symptoms from it wouldn't at least SOME of the symptoms improve if they took a smaller than optimal dose of Vitamin C - certainly wouldn't get worse. I guess I'm asking WHERE it is stated that one can be worse on 24 mg of iodorol as opposed to none and yet get better on 50? Also I get more pimples (yep - a little acne left at 58!) when I take iodorol. I was on 24 and sometimes more for 9 months and it was still a problem with breakouts. Doctor finally told me to just not take it. I take one of them once or twice a week now because I do feel the body needs iodine for many things. I tend to be rather strange and never fit the norm in most things anyway - often contradictory things going on so who knows? > > > Iodoral is the cure for antibodies and goiter so I suspect you were not taking enough (50mg per day). I am glad your doc did not underdose you on Armour. > Gracia > > > goiter and I was up to 3 grains before that happened - now on 4 > grains. I have long term hashis. I was put on iodorol because test > showed a deficiency - however the longer I took it the worse I felt > and my antibodies went through the roof and thyroid enlarged more. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 what I was referring to is THAT since EVERYONE has different genetics [except for identical twins] NOT all doses will work for everyone. that is there is NOT one dose of iodine for all. your experience with high doses of iodine Will not work With EVERYONE. Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma goofy. but BTW iodine affects genetic expression Gracia yes that is correct- it all comes down to genetics which is Different in everyone. nancie Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 alexisandtim_fl wrote: > > ... as soon as I got on 60 mg my TSH was below > normal - not sure what it is now - hasn't been tested - don't care as > long as I feel good. Actually, you can feel fine and still be causing heart damage and osteoporosis. You might want to test every once in awhile, just to be safe. > ...In my case Armour keeps cutting down what my own > thyroid makes and I've read several places that stopping your own from > producing causes the autoimmune attack to subside -.... Nobody knows for certain what causes the immune system to run amok, or why it goes after one organ or another. Some activity in a weakened thyroid gland may well trigger or stimulate further Hashimoto's attacks, but the evidence for that is lacking. >... In my case also I have very high > levels of lead and cadmium and after over a year of chelation and it > coming out and out it is still high Where did you get cadmium exposure? How did you detect it? Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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