Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 So, maybe you have something going on beside thyroid problems. You did say that your labs were fine right? Are you going to request an MRI of your pituitary? cw -- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was scaring me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone through this before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with similar Hypo symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see if there are ppl out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they do..not as many though and not one with the same symptoms to match. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: ???? there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too much or too little. 1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little. thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body. Gracia well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)... even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic. and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc. ..but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it. anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes) WS Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird Scientist, So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour? Chuck Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place to share ideas on family cooking. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I might consider doing that sometime in January ..yes. thank you. Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: So, maybe you have something going on beside thyroid problems. You did say that your labs were fine right? Are you going to request an MRI of your pituitary? cw -- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was scaring me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone through this before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with similar Hypo symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see if there are ppl out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they do..not as many though and not one with the same symptoms to match. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: ???? there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too much or too little. 1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little. thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body. Gracia well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)... even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic. and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc. .but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it. anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes) WS Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird Scientist, So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour? Chuck Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place to share ideas on family cooking. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 You better. Then let me know what happens Sometimes it can take U a while to get in for one so you may wanna schedule now. -- Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was scaring me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone through this before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with similar Hypo symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see if there are ppl out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they do..not as many though and not one with the same symptoms to match. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: ???? there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too much or too little. 1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little. thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body. Gracia well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)... even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic. and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc. ..but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it. anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes) WS Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: weird Scientist, So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour? Chuck Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place to share ideas on family cooking. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 If you go to a doctor then it's possible he might harm or even kill you. If you treat yourself then it's possible you may harm or kill yourself. My personal opinion is that your chances of harming yourself if you treat without really knowing what the problem is are probably at least 1000 times greater than that of your being harmed by a doctor. Treating to symptoms MAY work _FOR SOME PEOPLE_ _ SOME OF THE TIME_. And it's recommended by some here who do so. Personally I would strongly advise that you get professional help. > > Re: Armour and Glaucoma > <hypothyroidism/message/33537;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaWdzdmk\ yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzM1MzcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5ODEyNDY0Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " weird Scientist " weirdscientist78@... > <mailto:weirdscientist78@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Armour%20and%20Glaucoma> > weirdscientist78 <weirdscientist78> > > > Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:50 pm (PST) > > I am not sure what kinda symptoms do I have to have to make myself > believable.. > I'd pretty much have every symptom that anybody thatz been diagnosed > with Hypothyroidism has...except for being overweight... > > and you are right about the going blind thing... which is the reason I > have stopped Armour..itz been two weeks now.... I don't plan on taking > it for quite a bit. > > maybe HC...and even thatz scary... but certainly not Armour. > > yes I would take advice from ppl who have already gone through this > sh & *..I always respect ppl ..thank everybody etc ... when you gave me > that reply the other day .I was in real pain...and in no position to > take crap from anybody. > > I actually felt better on HC alone ..but that took quite a while to > work...and itwas before the Glaucoma diagnosis. > > Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote: weird > Scientist, > > This response just arrived. Evidently is scrambling deliveries. > > You wrote: > > > > > > well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on > > the labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing > > away like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I > started > > 1/2 grain)... > > Well then, what of your symptoms caused you to draw conclusions > completely contradictory to your saliva tests? > > You have chosen to self prescribe some serious medication in > contradiction to tests, albeit questionable tests, even though that > medication might leave you permanently blind. That fact alone makes me > wonder whether you would really accept advice from this list. I can see > that my remark, to which you reacted so emotionally, was probably > incorrect. Even your incredibly low dosage is probably not justified, > whether you think it is causing a benefit or not. > > Treating based on symptoms means that your symptoms can be used as an > additional source of information once you have a clear diagnosis. If you > don't know with certainty that the cause is your thyroid, then symptoms > are just symptoms. All sorts of things cause similar symptoms. You need > to have some confidence that your symptoms are reliable indicators of > thyroid status. Even then, most doctors take patient reports with a > grain of salt, since most people are quite suggestible and subject to > placebo effects. Blood tests are not. > > I would think that glaucoma is a sufficiently serious threat that you > would not want to risk a direct threat to your vision over unreliable > tests and symptoms that could be anything. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 it's really hard for ppl to understand dosing, and docs just don't get it at all. Gracia too little was causing too much pain (my eyes) ...and that was what was scaring me ....and I sent an email out to see if anybody else has gone through this before. ... I was surprised that there were other ppl with similar Hypo symptoms...I thought ..might as well give this a shot and see if there are ppl out there with glaucoma issues as well... apparently they do..not as many though and not one with the same symptoms to match. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: ???? there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too much or too little. 1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little. thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body. Gracia Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hyperthyroid and all its accompanying symptoms (otherwise known as side effects) is a disease caused by your own body producing too much of thyroid hormones,. Endometrial cancer, breast cancer is caused by a problem with your estradial and progesterone balance, too little thyroid put out by your own body is hypothyroid... too much adrenaline causes panic attacks and so on and so on. All of these things can occur naturally in your body without every having used the first prescription for hormones - compounded or not. When you add prescriptions to the mix of your own production of natural hormones - you are indeed susceptible to the same side effects that your own body can cause... not to mention any reactions you may have from ingredients in the compounds or the pills. Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma ???? there are no side effects from a bioidentical hormone. there is only too much or too little. 1/2 grain Armour qualifies as too little. thyroid hormone affects every cell in the body. Gracia well..I thought we were treating based on symptoms...not just based on the labs...and Armour does do me a lotta good...for instance, me typing away like this was an impossibility 2 weeks ago (which is when I started 1/2 grain)... even my acidity seems to be neutralized for some reason..am ALWAYS acidic..and I HAVE to eat on time...otherwise I start being Hypoglycemic...weak etc...but now if I don't eat (which doesn't happen often) it doesn't seem to bother me all that much...well..I have had this rash right below my adam's apple for a week now as well...not sure if that has anything to do with it. anywayz my point being i like the benefits of Armour...am just scared about itz detriments( well just one really...itz effect on the eyes) WS Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: weird Scientist, So, again, what in this prompted you to prescribe 1/2 grain of Armour? Chuck Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place to share ideas on family cooking. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I guess I really don't see it that way! I use a more holistic approach. I am not at war with my body but seek to support it. Gracia Hyperthyroid and all its accompanying symptoms (otherwise known as side effects) is a disease caused by your own body producing too much of thyroid hormones,. Endometrial cancer, breast cancer is caused by a problem with your estradial and progesterone balance, too little thyroid put out by your own body is hypothyroid... too much adrenaline causes panic attacks and so on and so on. All of these things can occur naturally in your body without every having used the first prescription for hormones - compounded or not. When you add prescriptions to the mix of your own production of natural hormones - you are indeed susceptible to the same side effects that your own body can cause... not to mention any reactions you may have from ingredients in the compounds or the pills. Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share FruitaBü Parents on teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: 12/23/2007 5:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 this is not a side effect, this is hormone imbalance or using too much of something. wrong dose is not a side effect. Gracia too much of any hormone whether it is synthetic or bio-identical can be a bad thing. think about it- when the body's own system goes haywire as in producing too much prolactin [another hormone] you get hyperprolactemia, which can affect one's fertility. too much estrogen can cause fibroids or trigger cancer- you get the picture. nancie Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: 12/23/2007 5:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 this is not a side effect, this is hormone imbalance or using too much of something. wrong dose is not a side effect. Gracia too much of any hormone whether it is synthetic or bio-identical can be a bad thing. think about it- when the body's own system goes haywire as in producing too much prolactin [another hormone] you get hyperprolactemia, which can affect one's fertility. too much estrogen can cause fibroids or trigger cancer- you get the picture. nancie Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: 12/23/2007 5:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Gracia , I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as possible. I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the fibromyalgia I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually getting dangerous. I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial Fibrillation and have to keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it! Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I guess I really don't see it that way! I use a more holistic approach. I am not at war with my body but seek to support it. Gracia Hyperthyroid and all its accompanying symptoms (otherwise known as side effects) is a disease caused by your own body producing too much of thyroid hormones,. Endometrial cancer, breast cancer is caused by a problem with your estradial and progesterone balance, too little thyroid put out by your own body is hypothyroid... too much adrenaline causes panic attacks and so on and so on. All of these things can occur naturally in your body without every having used the first prescription for hormones - compounded or not. When you add prescriptions to the mix of your own production of natural hormones - you are indeed susceptible to the same side effects that your own body can cause... not to mention any reactions you may have from ingredients in the compounds or the pills. Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share FruitaBü Parents on teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: 12/23/2007 5:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium. Gracia Gracia , I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as possible. I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the fibromyalgia I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually getting dangerous. I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial Fibrillation and have to keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it! Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium. Gracia Gracia , I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as possible. I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the fibromyalgia I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually getting dangerous. I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial Fibrillation and have to keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it! Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium. Gracia Gracia , I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as possible. I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the fibromyalgia I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually getting dangerous. I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial Fibrillation and have to keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it! Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium. Gracia Gracia , I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as possible. I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the fibromyalgia I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually getting dangerous. I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial Fibrillation and have to keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it! Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Yes, he does, because I ask him to do that. The problem seems to lie in the fact that everything is in range, except for TSH, which is low to non existant, and they think this is why I have the AFIB. I have changed the way I take the thyroid now, by splitting it into two doses, 1grain and 1grain. This gives me two grains total or 120mgs. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 my TSH is very low like .03. I do not have A-fib but I sure did b4 I got cortef and was on 90mg Armour. Now I take 240mg Armour (all at once) and 50mg Iodoral a day. Your doc has no clue about thyroid/adrenal connection??? I think most thyroid patients have weak adrenals. There is lots of good info on the net, I think Dr. Rind's site was just posted by ? also http://www.drlam.com Gracia Yes, he does, because I ask him to do that. The problem seems to lie in the fact that everything is in range, except for TSH, which is low to non existant, and they think this is why I have the AFIB. I have changed the way I take the thyroid now, by splitting it into two doses, 1grain and 1grain. This gives me two grains total or 120mgs. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Gracia, I read Dr Rind's site and I felt that he was genuinely trying to help people. I cannot say the same for Dr. Lam's site. His aim stated by him at the top right hand corner of his site is: This is a self-supported, advertising-free public educational site dedicated to the advancement of natural medicine. I would feel much better about this person if he was dedicated to the cure of millions of suffering people. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: my TSH is very low like .03. I do not have A-fib but I sure did b4 I got cortef and was on 90mg Armour. Now I take 240mg Armour (all at once) and 50mg Iodoral a day. Your doc has no clue about thyroid/adrenal connection??? I think most thyroid patients have weak adrenals. There is lots of good info on the net, I think Dr. Rind's site was just posted by ? also http://www.drlam.com Gracia Yes, he does, because I ask him to do that. The problem seems to lie in the fact that everything is in range, except for TSH, which is low to non existant, and they think this is why I have the AFIB. I have changed the way I take the thyroid now, by splitting it into two doses, 1grain and 1grain. This gives me two grains total or 120mgs. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.? Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: my TSH is very low like .03. I do not have A-fib but I sure did b4 I got cortef and was on 90mg Armour. Now I take 240mg Armour (all at once) and 50mg Iodoral a day. Your doc has no clue about thyroid/adrenal connection??? I think most thyroid patients have weak adrenals. There is lots of good info on the net, I think Dr. Rind's site was just posted by ? also http://www.drlam.com Gracia Yes, he does, because I ask him to do that. The problem seems to lie in the fact that everything is in range, except for TSH, which is low to non existant, and they think this is why I have the AFIB. I have changed the way I take the thyroid now, by splitting it into two doses, 1grain and 1grain. This gives me two grains total or 120mgs. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 no I said Dr. Derry STARTS his patients on 180mg. usual doses of Armour are 180--300mg. I am taking 240mg all in the morning (chewed up). In one week I went from 90mg to 240mg. I just tried more until I felt good. Gracia how are the ppl in Milwaukee doing? I guess there was a bad storm there. Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.? Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating A Group for families on how to eat healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in Seattle. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: no I said Dr. Derry STARTS his patients on 180mg. usual doses of Armour are 180--300mg. I am taking 240mg all in the morning (chewed up). In one week I went from 90mg to 240mg. I just tried more until I felt good. Gracia how are the ppl in Milwaukee doing? I guess there was a bad storm there. Didn't you say in a previous post that you were on 180 mgs.? Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating A Group for families on how to eat healthy. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 um I am not understanding what you mean. I think his disclaimer means he is dedicated to helping suffering ppl. Gracia Gracia, I read Dr Rind's site and I felt that he was genuinely trying to help people. I cannot say the same for Dr. Lam's site. His aim stated by him at the top right hand corner of his site is: This is a self-supported, advertising-free public educational site dedicated to the advancement of natural medicine. I would feel much better about this person if he was dedicated to the cure of millions of suffering people. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: my TSH is very low like .03. I do not have A-fib but I sure did b4 I got cortef and was on 90mg Armour. Now I take 240mg Armour (all at once) and 50mg Iodoral a day. Your doc has no clue about thyroid/adrenal connection??? I think most thyroid patients have weak adrenals. There is lots of good info on the net, I think Dr. Rind's site was just posted by ? also http://www.drlam.com Gracia Yes, he does, because I ask him to do that. The problem seems to lie in the fact that everything is in range, except for TSH, which is low to non existant, and they think this is why I have the AFIB. I have changed the way I take the thyroid now, by splitting it into two doses, 1grain and 1grain. This gives me two grains total or 120mgs. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I don't put my words onto other people's statements. I take them at their word. I'm sure he was capable of stating what he was trying to accomplish. He also urges people to pick whatever they want to use. That is dangerous with someone who doesn't know anything about it. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: um I am not understanding what you mean. I think his disclaimer means he is dedicated to helping suffering ppl. Gracia Gracia, I read Dr Rind's site and I felt that he was genuinely trying to help people. I cannot say the same for Dr. Lam's site. His aim stated by him at the top right hand corner of his site is: This is a self-supported, advertising-free public educational site dedicated to the advancement of natural medicine. I would feel much better about this person if he was dedicated to the cure of millions of suffering people. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: my TSH is very low like .03. I do not have A-fib but I sure did b4 I got cortef and was on 90mg Armour. Now I take 240mg Armour (all at once) and 50mg Iodoral a day. Your doc has no clue about thyroid/adrenal connection??? I think most thyroid patients have weak adrenals. There is lots of good info on the net, I think Dr. Rind's site was just posted by ? also http://www.drlam.com Gracia Yes, he does, because I ask him to do that. The problem seems to lie in the fact that everything is in range, except for TSH, which is low to non existant, and they think this is why I have the AFIB. I have changed the way I take the thyroid now, by splitting it into two doses, 1grain and 1grain. This gives me two grains total or 120mgs. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: does the doc test the Frees? these are better indicators. Gracia For thyroid, cholesterol, general blood levels and such. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hopefully not blood tests for adrenal function, b/c they are unreliable. I did blood, saliva, and 24 hr urine for adrenals---and each one gave a different result---normal/high/low. Gracia I will probably be getting blood tests in January. Roni Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 RONI? You are in SEATTLE? Holy moley I live 100 miles north of you. There is an AWESOME Naturopath in Bellingham (V ph Wessels), and Gracia knows of a wonderful gal in Bellevue (Lara Litov). And there's even the Bastyr Center www.bastyrcenter.org in Seattle. You have some good med people within reach of you. Heck, if Seattle traffic didn't suck as much as it does I'd ride my motorcycle down and take YOU for a ride on the back. Sam (11+ grains Armour, 50mg Iodoral, 0.1mg florinef, BHRT) > > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in Seattle. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I wil try to check her out and see if there is anything there for me. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: RONI? You are in SEATTLE? Holy moley I live 100 miles north of you. There is an AWESOME Naturopath in Bellingham (V ph Wessels), and Gracia knows of a wonderful gal in Bellevue (Lara Litov). And there's even the Bastyr Center www.bastyrcenter.org in Seattle. You have some good med people within reach of you. Heck, if Seattle traffic didn't suck as much as it does I'd ride my motorcycle down and take YOU for a ride on the back. Sam (11+ grains Armour, 50mg Iodoral, 0.1mg florinef, BHRT) > > I misunderstood. Sorry. I don't live in Milwaukee, I live in Seattle. > > Roni --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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