glutathione

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Subject: glutathione

> Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for

> glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember.

>

> Thanks,

>

One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane

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Thanks . You are always so helpful. I am, however, interested in a

food source for the glutathione if there is one.

glutathione

> Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for

> glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember.

>

> Thanks,

>

One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane

[Guest guest]

> Thanks . You are always so helpful. I am, however, interested in a

> food source for the glutathione if there is one.

>

>

Well, in that case, whey is your answer ...

>

> glutathione

> > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for

> > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for

> glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember.

>

> Thanks,

, that question is immaterial because glutathione is broken

down in the intestine.

A better question would ask for a source of glutathione precursors.

The answer - raw foods contain the precursors in very low amounts and

you can barely get enough only if practically all your foods are raw.

Cold-processed whey provides enough precursors in only about 40 grams

to 60 grams daily.

Duncan Crow

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,

Thanks again! So, whey, which is used to start most naturally fermented

foods, is the key. I can see now why Nourishing Traditions recommends these

fermented foods so much to regain health and vitality. Through them you are

able to obtain the glutathione we need! It all makes sense to me now!

> Thanks . You are always so helpful. I am, however, interested in a

> food source for the glutathione if there is one.

>

>

Well, in that case, whey is your answer ...

>

> glutathione

> > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for

> > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes,

Rick did I believe. you body can assemble whatever it needs as long

as you eat the natural whole foods containing necessary precursors.

I hope when people mention whey they are talking about a natural food

and not some lab concoction which would be totally unecessary,

expensive and probably pointless. think about it. how did the human

race ever manage to survive with frankenfoods, supps and other

products?

g

> Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for

> glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't

remember.

>

> Thanks,

[Guest guest]

How did we survive as a species then if it

it so difficult to get enough glutathione precursors ?

Re:

glutathione

>

> Did someone previously post a list of natural

sources for

> glutathione? I am thinking I saw one

somewhere but can't remember.

>

> Thanks,

, that question is immaterial because

glutathione is broken

down in the intestine.

A better question would ask for a source of

glutathione precursors.

The answer - raw foods contain the precursors in

very low amounts and

you can barely get enough only if practically all

your foods are raw.

Cold-processed whey provides enough precursors in

only about 40 grams

to 60 grams daily.

Duncan Crow

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I agree. It’s in natural source. We just need to relearn how to get it.

How did we survive as a

species then if it it so difficult to get enough glutathione precursors ?

> Did someone

previously post a list of natural sources for

>

glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember.

>

> Thanks,

, that

question is immaterial because glutathione is broken

down in the

intestine.

A better

question would ask for a source of glutathione precursors.

The answer - raw

foods contain the precursors in very low amounts and

you can barely

get enough only if practically all your foods are raw.

Cold-processed

whey provides enough precursors in only about 40 grams

to 60 grams

daily.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

No, I think (hope) we're talking about whey the byproduct of making cream

cheese. It's that fluid that collects on the top of your yogurt. You can

strain yogurt through cheesecloth to drain the whey and make your own cream

cheese.

The 'whey protein' powder that people buy to make

blender drinks??

--- bchahn <bchahn@...> wrote:

>> > Thanks . You are always so helpful.

I

> am, however, interested in a

> > food source for the glutathione if there is

> one.

> >

> >

>

> Well, in that case, whey is your answer ...

>

[Guest guest]

> Rick did I believe. you body can assemble whatever it needs as long

as

> you eat the natural whole foods containing necessary precursors.

Thing is, , your body could reassemble the peptides very

efficiently and still get onlt 1/4 of the glutathione precursors you

need.

See, as glutathione production precursors go, it takes 500 gallons of

whey to produce the precursors in only 10 grams of Immunocal, which

arguably is the best glutathione precursor food we can lay our hands

on, and the one I had the statements for. Similarly, 1 kg of raw egg

whites or raw nuts might provide the same amount of precursors, which

should be about 3.6 grams of cysteine -contained in the peptides.

But we commonly use three times that amount of Immunocal in a healing

setting, more in other wheys, although once we're healed, perhaps a

lot less. And the bioavailability of the cold-processed whey compared

to any other protein is the real capper.

> I

> hope when people mention whey they are talking about a natural food

> and not some lab concoction which would be totally unecessary,

> expensive and probably pointless. think about it.

Because low glutathione has been linked to general aging plus all of

the age-related and degenerative diseases, you can readily see that

while minimal amounts of the precursors are helpful, but it's not

much of an anti-disease or anti-aging tool unless you can max out

that production, especially if you're already sick. In that case your

body's glutathione is already depleted and bailing out of an existing

degenerative vortex is one of the ways out of illness; in fact it's

very difficulat to do it without attention to this part.

regards,

Duncan Crow

how did the human

> race ever manage to survive with frankenfoods, supps and other

> products?

>

> g

They lived to whatever age predicated by the nutrition and

groundwater quality they got. They didn't have much for pollution,

yet they lived to be 50 or less, about 60% of our potential.

D

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I wonder how I managed to recover without it?

>

>

> > Rick did I believe. you body can assemble whatever it needs as

long

> as

> > you eat the natural whole foods containing necessary precursors.

>

> Thing is, , your body could reassemble the peptides very

> efficiently and still get onlt 1/4 of the glutathione precursors

you

> need.

>

> See, as glutathione production precursors go, it takes 500 gallons

of

> whey to produce the precursors in only 10 grams of Immunocal, which

> arguably is the best glutathione precursor food we can lay our

hands

> on, and the one I had the statements for. Similarly, 1 kg of raw

egg

> whites or raw nuts might provide the same amount of precursors,

which

> should be about 3.6 grams of cysteine -contained in the peptides.

>

> But we commonly use three times that amount of Immunocal in a

healing

> setting, more in other wheys, although once we're healed, perhaps a

> lot less. And the bioavailability of the cold-processed whey

compared

> to any other protein is the real capper.

>

> > I

> > hope when people mention whey they are talking about a natural

food

> > and not some lab concoction which would be totally unecessary,

> > expensive and probably pointless. think about it.

>

> Because low glutathione has been linked to general aging plus all

of

> the age-related and degenerative diseases, you can readily see that

> while minimal amounts of the precursors are helpful, but it's not

> much of an anti-disease or anti-aging tool unless you can max out

> that production, especially if you're already sick. In that case

your

> body's glutathione is already depleted and bailing out of an

existing

> degenerative vortex is one of the ways out of illness; in fact it's

> very difficulat to do it without attention to this part.

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan Crow

>

> how did the human

> > race ever manage to survive with frankenfoods, supps and other

> > products?

> >

> > g

>

> They lived to whatever age predicated by the nutrition and

> groundwater quality they got. They didn't have much for pollution,

> yet they lived to be 50 or less, about 60% of our potential.

>

> D

[Guest guest]

,

I always assumed I had a leaky gut, because I am a universal

reactor, but my new naturopath says it ain't necessarily so. How do

they test for it?

Thanks,

(I do have a leaky gut, was tested for this) People

> really do need to be careful with the whey.

[Guest guest]

That would be www.gsdl.com. Thanks, .

> (I do have a leaky gut, was tested for this) People

> > really do need to be careful with the whey.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino

> acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and

> cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly

> prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and

> glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

Although maybe you can get almost enough glutathione from raw foods

if you're healthy and you're paying attention to this exercise in

prevention mode, those who are sick or toxic already have severe

glutathione depletion.

Glutathione depletion is linked to most diseases, especially 'age-

related degeneration'.

BUT 'normal' levels of glutathione in healthy people does not result

in an optimal lifespan. Centenarians all had higher than normal

measured glutathione levels; those who do not make a century and die

of 'old age', which is to say preventable accumulated free radical

damage, have lower levels.

The question is whether a person wants to try to see 'real' old age

of well over 100 or 'pretend' old age, which is normally just over

70.

In other words, if you prevent most age-related degeneration and make

your end run around other preventable causes of death, then of course

you'll have a good chance of living longer. Unusually high cellular

glutathione is one of the tools that you'll need for that.

Accomplishing unusully high levels will necessitate supplements in

addition to the raw foods.

regards,

Duncan

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> But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

Most of the albumin and lactalbumin, the primary cystine-containing

proteins, are removed from the cheese and the kept in the whey (if

the whey is cold-processed).

Then cheese is cooked to sterilize it; this then breaks any cystine

dipeptides left in it. For both of those reasons cheese is NOT a

cystine source.

The secret is to have the foods raw, cold-processed (and prefereably

concentrated). Only then they are cystine sources.

Duncan Crow

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Duncan,

Would juicing fall in that category??? raw and concentrated???

gigiDuncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese. Most of the albumin and lactalbumin, the primary cystine-containing proteins, are removed from the cheese and the kept in the whey (if the whey is cold-processed).Then cheese is cooked to sterilize it; this then breaks any cystine dipeptides left in it. For both of those reasons cheese is NOT a cystine source. The secret is to have the foods raw, cold-processed (and prefereably concentrated). Only then they are cystine sources.Duncan Crow

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This is not an attack, just an observation. I got well without it,

and I know others who have as well. Your body can make what it needs

given the right foods, and the right conditions. This is my opinion

by I also wholeheartedly believe it. That being said, its a free

country and people can spend their money whereever they want. This is

not a " fight " and people shouldn't stress over it. A difference in

opinion is just that. I don't think keeping opinions to yourself is

healthy anyway. get it all out, and move on.

Sure Duncan has taken some heat, but, you have to keep this in

perspective. People like me who do get well and realize that they

wasted so much money on so much crap,and lost so much time, and I'm

not referring to Duncan here because I didn't buy anything from him,

feel a good bit of anger towards almost anyone selling anything. I

know I do, I just don't say it as much anymore as I have concluded

that all people must work through their healing in stages, and that

perhaps not everyone is ready to conclude they don't need to buy much,

if anything, to recover.

Just as I don't think people should hold their opinions back, I also

am not much for censorship. Even sick people can figure this stuff

out, even if they have to spend a good bit of money doing it.

Besides, sometimes learning the hard way is better, you will never

forget that way.

So for those who really don't like the appearance of animosity, I

would say, just let people work through it, its part of the healing

process, residual anger must be released. some people just have to

get things off their chest, vent, and move on. What some people see as

helpful, others see as only so much smoke and mirrors. That's the

beauty of these forums anyway.

g

> > The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino

> > acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and

> > cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly

> > prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and

> > glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese.

>

> Although maybe you can get almost enough glutathione from raw foods

> if you're healthy and you're paying attention to this exercise in

> prevention mode, those who are sick or toxic already have severe

> glutathione depletion.

>

> Glutathione depletion is linked to most diseases, especially 'age-

> related degeneration'.

>

> BUT 'normal' levels of glutathione in healthy people does not result

> in an optimal lifespan. Centenarians all had higher than normal

> measured glutathione levels; those who do not make a century and die

> of 'old age', which is to say preventable accumulated free radical

> damage, have lower levels.

>

> The question is whether a person wants to try to see 'real' old age

> of well over 100 or 'pretend' old age, which is normally just over

> 70.

>

> In other words, if you prevent most age-related degeneration and make

> your end run around other preventable causes of death, then of course

> you'll have a good chance of living longer. Unusually high cellular

> glutathione is one of the tools that you'll need for that.

> Accomplishing unusully high levels will necessitate supplements in

> addition to the raw foods.

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan

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Hi,

Please give me the difference between Glutamate and Glutathione? I have been

told not to take Glutamate because it is a neuro toxin and I have migraine.

So isn't glutamate one of the components of Glutathione?

Thanks,

H.

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

Glutamate (or glutamic acid) is one of the three amino acids that

make up glutathione. Some people are sensitive to glutamic acid,

also found in monosodium glutamate (MSG). Vitamin B-6 has been

helpful for this, since it is involved in the reaction that converts

glutamic acid to GABA (gamma aminobutyric acid). Glutamic acid is

the main excitatory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system,

and GABA is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter there. There needs

to be a proper balance of these two in the brain. In CFS, the brain

cells tend to be overactive, because of a lower than normal firing

threshold for nerve impulses. Personally, I suspect that this

occurs because of a shortage of ATP production in these cells,

secondary to partial blockades in their Krebs cycles and probably

also their respiratory chains. I suspect that these partial

blockades occur because of a rise in peroxynitrite, resulting from a

glutathione shortage. I haven't heard that glutamic acid is

involved in migraines. If you are eating protein in your diet, you

are getting some glutamic acid. I think the important thing is not

to overdo your intake of glutamic acid if you are sensitive to it,

and taking additional vitamin B-6 may reduce your sensitivity to

it. Another thing you might consider is to take glutamine instead

of glutamic acid (together with N-acetylcysteine and glycine, the

other two amino acids needed to make glutathione), since the body is

able to convert it. I suggest that you consult with your doctor

before deciding whether to follow these suggestions, and I would

also appreciate it if you would read my disclosure statement in

message number 52529 and send me an e-mail stating that you have

read it. Thanks.

Rich

> Hi,

> Please give me the difference between Glutamate and Glutathione?

I have been

> told not to take Glutamate because it is a neuro toxin and I have

migraine.

> So isn't glutamate one of the components of Glutathione?

> Thanks,

> H.

>

>

>

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Hi, Kathy.

This is a great question. I wish I knew the answer! I think there

are one or more vicious circles that we either have not identified

yet, or that we have identified but have not been able to crack. It

would be nice if just pouring on more glutathione would crack this

nut, and maybe that would work, but maybe not, too. I don't think

anyone knows for sure.

Do you know whether your glutathione level is actually lifted by

these treatments to a new steadystate value, or does it just drop

back down to where it was before, after a few days? Have you

actually had your glutathione level measured, or do you just go by

how you feel?

I suspect that the glutathione level does not really come up to a

new steadystate level, but I don't have any measured data to prove

that.

Based on this assumption, though, the things I have been looking at

in that regard are the normal functions of glutathione. Imagine

that none of these functions is performed for a long time, because

glutathione is depleted. What does this do that could form vicious

circles or " bottomless pits " for glutathione? The ones that look

most suspicious to me are the infections. We know that PWCs have

infections, both viral and bacterial. It is known that the immune

system has a big glutathione requirement when it is fighting an

infection. Maybe the infections are the " ball and chain " that

prevents glutathione from rising to normal levels. This is one of

the reasons I think the Marshall protocol is interesting. If the

mechanism that Dr. Marshall has proposed is active in a PWC, the

intracellular bacterial infections would not be easily defeated, and

there could be an ongoing drain on glutathione by the immune system

as it's involved in continuous inflammation. We know that PWCs also

have viral infections, as I said, and these could also be causing a

glutathione drain.

The other big drain on glutathione would be the toxins that have

been stored over the time when there wasn't enough glutathione to

take them out--mercury, for example, but also other toxins normally

handled by glutathione. There could be a big time-integrated demand

for glutathione from these toxins, and that would also prevent the

glutathione level from rising to normal until the backlog was worked

off.

Well, that's about the best I can do on this question. It's one

that I puzzle over a lot.

Rich

> Hi Rich, I was really interested in the Dr. Pall research and

appreciate your writings. I think glutathione helps me. But I have

had a question for a while, how much does it take to break the

cycle, is it possible? It seems the whey and ivs are just temporary

helps that don't repair blocks in krebs cycle. Maybe my doctor

needs more publications about higher dosage. Thanks. Kathy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Look into ImmunePro. I buy it from Pro Health or ImmuneSupport. They

have a pretty good price. Some people use sublingual glutathione. It

may be as good or better, but there does seem to be good research on

the ImmunePro boosting glutathione levels.

a

> I see many references to glutathione depletion. Any suggestions on

> how to replenish glutathione in the body?

[Guest guest]

> > I see many references to glutathione depletion. Any suggestions

on

> > how to replenish glutathione in the body?

Thak you for the information on Immunepro. I will research it

and try to determine if it is suitable for me. Presently, I am

taking thymic protein-A and seem (placebo?)to be getting very good

results. However, I have never seen that supplement mentioned on

this site

[Guest guest]

<wuwei96815@y...> wrote: Any suggestions on how to replenish

glutathione in the body?

Because you need to get it in the Blood Stream ...

When I am doing really bad ... I get IV Glutathione pushes at my

Doctor's office.

For Daily or on an as need basis, I use a compounded Glutathione

(liquid) in a Nebulizer so that I can do it at home.

If your Doc is open to it he could Rx it for you from a compounding

pharmacy. Obviously, it's not as potent as the IV Glutathione, but

it does the trick.

Oral ... goes through the digestive system and doesn't seem to work,

because you need to get it in the blood stream.

--- I have also tried the precursors of NAC and ALA, but my gluthione

is simply too depressed. ---

And I tried the Immunopro - Whey products ... but didn't have much

success. Though they most likely help in the long run.

However, when my liver goes ... I sure count on IV Glutathione or

through the Nebulizer.

Hope that helps.

is

[Guest guest]

I do Glutithione Nasal spray 3 to 4 times a day. I find it the easiest way

to do it

[Guest guest]

I get it From Apothecure Pharmacy but you can get it from Wellness or

College or other places.

It comes in saline but I add some more sometimes. I just spray both

nostrils 3 or 4 times a day when I remember to. I just put it in an empty spray

bottle.