glutathione

[Guest guest]

,

I personally take 1 packet/day of Imuplus and 2/3 scoop of Immunepro 2x/day.

Both products are different and have different amounts of laktoferrin,

immunogloulins, etc. I'm hedging my bets by taking both. I recommend

Imuplus initally for people starting out because so many people have trouble

tolerating immunepro at the beginning. This is also the case for Imuplus

but to a lesser degree i believe. Steve Bullock

Re: glutathione

>

> HI Steve,

>

> Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had

> a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some,

> does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others

> comments are welcome.

>

>

>

>

> > Phil,

> >

> > I recommend Imuplus (later you

> > can experiment with Immunepro if you wish) to start, 4 packets/day

> for 30

> > days if you can tolerate it, if not gradually work up to it - if

> you can

> > tolerate the initial hi-loading dose your functional glutathione

> levels will

> > return to normal in 30 days, otherwise it may take 6 months or

> more.

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

HI Steve,

Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had

a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some,

does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others

comments are welcome.

> Phil,

>

> I recommend Imuplus (later you

> can experiment with Immunepro if you wish) to start, 4 packets/day

for 30

> days if you can tolerate it, if not gradually work up to it - if

you can

> tolerate the initial hi-loading dose your functional glutathione

levels will

> return to normal in 30 days, otherwise it may take 6 months or

more.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/21/00 3:28:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

clemjk@... writes:

<< HI Steve,

Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had

a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some,

does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others

comments are welcome.

>>

Immunopro wasn't good for me, but Immuplus is great. It has the same potent

effects on the immune system without the side effects that immunopro gave me.

Just my opinion.

[Guest guest]

,

I already answered this question today. I take both Imuplus and Immunepro

to hedge my bets. They are different products with differing contents of

laktoferrin, immunoglobulins, etc. I tell people to try Imuplus 1st because

it seems to be better tolerated initially than Immunepro. If they can later

handle Imuplus, then they can later start experimenting with Immunepro. I

told Dr. Cheney I was taking both to hedge my bets and he said it was a good

idea. Steve Bullock

Re: Re: glutathione

>

> In a message dated 9/21/00 3:28:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> clemjk@... writes:

>

> << HI Steve,

>

> Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had

> a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some,

> does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others

> comments are welcome.

> >>

>

>

> Immunopro wasn't good for me, but Immuplus is great. It has the same

potent

> effects on the immune system without the side effects that immunopro gave

me.

> Just my opinion.

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

whey powder or immunocal will help to raise glutathione levels as well

[Guest guest]

,

You're right. Less than half of glutathione gets past the stomach. A

better source of glutathione is NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine) which does, and

is the precursor to both glutathione & glutathione peroxidase. It has

greater bioavailability and is more effective.

This is one of the brain enhancing things I took for the 9 months when I

meditated myself back to health.

jim

Price wrote:

>

> I would also

> > think about IV of gludathoine and magnet therapy, We treated ALS, I went

> to

> > the med, library all of the studies showed LOW gludathoine levels and

> > depolarization of the brain.

> >

>

> There is an sublingual glutathione by Physiologics that is

> absorbed under the tongue. The sub-linguals

> are about as effective if one can't get I.V.'s. There is

> also a glutathione capsule which is not destroyed in the

> stomach put out by Pure Encapsulations. I would go with

> the sub-lingual version even though it does taste nasty.

>

[Guest guest]

> re: Competition for glutathione precursors between the immune

system

> and the skeletal muscle: pathogenesis of chronic fatigue syndrome.

>

> My question is, what should I do about this? How much

> N-acetyl-l-cysteine should one of us take? -Theresa

>

> =====

> i really recommend you consider the undenatured whey protein,

> ala immunocal, imuplus, or other equivalents. i found this worked

best for

> me to boost glutathione intracell. it is a Godsend.

> nancym

I strongly second 's recommendation. As I understand it, the

goal is to encourage the cell to produce its glutathione

intracellularly. It seems that oral cysteine and oral glutathione,

to include IV glutathione, tends to break down prior to reaching our

cells.

Undenatured whey, it is proposed, is rich in the amino acid cystine,

which is able to survive the rigors of the gut and blood serum, and

find its way to the cell, were it breaks down into cysteine, and is

used to produce glutathione.

I started undenatured whey late last year, and have found it to be

extremely beneficial. I do not think that glutathione deficiency

causes CFS, but it do think that it is central to many to the CFS

symptoms.

Luke

[Guest guest]

Im looking for a source alone cause the dose is 1-2 grams/day.

for almalgam removal protocol.

Jaen Treesinger

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/11/2001 8:34:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

sstieger@... writes:

<< will this not work to increase glutathione levels in my system? >>

no, it will not work very well. taking glutathione orally is not an

effective way to increase *intracellular* glutathione, and it is the

intracellular glutathione we are most concerned with here. n-acetylcysteine

has some efficacy, but you would probably need a lot of it to significantly

increase intracellular glut. and at those levels the n-ac. might be toxic.

the *nondenatured* whey proteins are effective in raising intracellular

glut. these would be: immunocal, imuplus, immunepro and maybe L.e.f. whey.

[Guest guest]

I took reduced L-Glutathione for a while at the recommendation of my

naturopath. She seemed to think it would give me a big boost in energy

and/or have better detoxing with it. It didn't seem to do a thing for me.

She's used it with some of her other CFS patients and it seemed to benefit

them. I felt absolutely no different while on it. But drinking Immunepro has

made a huge difference in me. I thought maybe the reason the reduced

L-Glutathione didn't seem to help me was that I have to take so many other

supplements on an empty stomach, and they might have interfered with it.

lindaj@...

Glutathione

> I have been taking a supplement by Vital Life that is called

> " Reduced L-Glutathione " 150 mg with some magnesium. will this not work

to increase glutathione levels in my system? thanks ss

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

Most people use one of the undenatured whey proteins ( ImmunePro,

Immunocal, etc) to build glutathione. You can also get glutathione to

inject IM and it can be administered IV.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I would appreciate more information on what is the name and

telephone number of the lab that does this test?

If you know the diagnosis for the test, that would be appreciated.

thank you in advance

best,

lea

[Guest guest]

i ahve read that alpha lipoic acid is also supposed to help increase

glutatione levels

thanks

bill

[Guest guest]

What about milk Thistle and dandelion? Do they increase Gluthatione levels

or do they help for something else?

Thanks.

Nil

Re: Glutathione

| i ahve read that alpha lipoic acid is also supposed to help increase

| glutatione levels

|

| thanks

| bill

|

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

|

|

[Guest guest]

,

The Cellular Energy Profile test offered by Great Smokies Diagnostic

Lab measures a subset of the organic acids that are measured in a

complete urinary organic acids test. It measures those that are

associated with energy production by the cells, including those

associated with the Krebs cycle. It doesn't measure pyroglutamic

acid.

I take it that your level of citric acid came out normal. I think

the assessment by Biolab sounds pretty good. Did you try the B3 and

Q-10, and if so, did they help?

It seems possible that your glutathione was a little low also (since

your isocitric acid and alpha ketoglutaric acid, which is the same

as 2-oxo-glutaric acid, were low), but probably not badly low, if

your citric acid level was normal. If the B3 and Q-10 didn't do the

whole job for you, you might consider trying to build your

glutathione with undenatured whey protein. If this doesn't do it,

then something else must be going on.

Rich

> Thanks Rich,

> very interesting.

>

> I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the

same

> thing?

>

> If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in

London by 'Biolab'

>

> Pyruvate slightly low

>

> Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate

ratio was normal).

>

> Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low

>

> HMG subnormal

>

> Everything else normal.

>

> They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results

were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a

course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost

> NAD levels and Co Q10.

>

> Regards Dave x

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rich,

I have been taking 125mgs of Nicotinamide for maybe two years as part of my

insulin co-factor. I was taking it when I had the acids test.

I did get some Co q10 but had a reaction to it. I think it made me feel nauseas

but it was in fish oil so it was probably that. I have had it in dry

supplements in the past but I never noticed any effects. Maybe I should try

again.

What is making a big difference is the high EPA oil. I am working on that one.

I feel that some extra Glutathione will

help the fatigue from what you have said and other sources I have read. I have a

problem with whey so I may try the Lipoic acid which I believe is a precursor of

Glut.

Regards

Dave x

Re: Glutathione

,

The Cellular Energy Profile test offered by Great Smokies Diagnostic

Lab measures a subset of the organic acids that are measured in a

complete urinary organic acids test. It measures those that are

associated with energy production by the cells, including those

associated with the Krebs cycle. It doesn't measure pyroglutamic

acid.

I take it that your level of citric acid came out normal. I think

the assessment by Biolab sounds pretty good. Did you try the B3 and

Q-10, and if so, did they help?

It seems possible that your glutathione was a little low also (since

your isocitric acid and alpha ketoglutaric acid, which is the same

as 2-oxo-glutaric acid, were low), but probably not badly low, if

your citric acid level was normal. If the B3 and Q-10 didn't do the

whole job for you, you might consider trying to build your

glutathione with undenatured whey protein. If this doesn't do it,

then something else must be going on.

Rich

> Thanks Rich,

> very interesting.

>

> I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the

same

> thing?

>

> If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in

London by 'Biolab'

>

> Pyruvate slightly low

>

> Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate

ratio was normal).

>

> Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low

>

> HMG subnormal

>

> Everything else normal.

>

> They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results

were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a

course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost

> NAD levels and Co Q10.

>

> Regards Dave x

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave,

You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q-

10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with

it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot

of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to

start.

Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does

take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other

antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room "

to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA

for this purpose.

What improvements are you observing with the EFAs?

Rich

> > Thanks Rich,

> > very interesting.

> >

> > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that

the

> same

> > thing?

> >

> > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in

> London by 'Biolab'

> >

> > Pyruvate slightly low

> >

> > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The

Isocitrate/Citrate

> ratio was normal).

> >

> > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low

> >

> > HMG subnormal

> >

> > Everything else normal.

> >

> > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these

results

> were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a

> course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost

> > NAD levels and Co Q10.

> >

> > Regards Dave x

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Do you agree that ala should not be used when you still have mercury in your

mouth?

Donna

Re: Glutathione

Dave,

You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q-

10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with

it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot

of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to

start.

Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does

take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other

antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room "

to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA

for this purpose.

What improvements are you observing with the EFAs?

Rich

> > Thanks Rich,

> > very interesting.

> >

> > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that

the

> same

> > thing?

> >

> > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in

> London by 'Biolab'

> >

> > Pyruvate slightly low

> >

> > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The

Isocitrate/Citrate

> ratio was normal).

> >

> > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low

> >

> > HMG subnormal

> >

> > Everything else normal.

> >

> > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these

results

> were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a

> course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost

> > NAD levels and Co Q10.

> >

> > Regards Dave x

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Could someone give the reasons why co-Q is so frequently used in this

illness. I was given it a long time ago and my then doc took me off ot

it, as was his style.

But it seems to be spoken of as so important. Is there somewhere there

is something written on this that I can go to, could someone advise me.

Also , dosing. I notice that Rich said it is best to take it with EFA's

I think. And was there implication that this combo or co-q itself is

related to glutathione increase?

I'm going for my 2nd IgG tonight. I'll find out how much he's giving me

and if I have no beneficial reaction, as I didn't the first time a month

ago, whether I should hold out hope. I'm hoping some intervention will

give me a boost, as so many haven't. And I'm running out of remedies I

can afford--that are covered or are quite inexpensive.

Thanks.

Judith Wisdom (trying to keep my chin up)

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[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Glutathione

> And I'm running out of remedies I

> can afford--that are covered or are quite inexpensive.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Judith Wisdom (trying to keep my chin up)

Hi Judith-

Me too. I'll keep my chin up with you!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I'm sorry, but I don't know the answer to this.

Rich

> > > Thanks Rich,

> > > very interesting.

> > >

> > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is

that

> the

> > same

> > > thing?

> > >

> > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed

in

> > London by 'Biolab'

> > >

> > > Pyruvate slightly low

> > >

> > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The

> Isocitrate/Citrate

> > ratio was normal).

> > >

> > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low

> > >

> > > HMG subnormal

> > >

> > > Everything else normal.

> > >

> > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these

> results

> > were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected

with a

> > course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost

> > > NAD levels and Co Q10.

> > >

> > > Regards Dave x

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Rich,

the improvements I have noticed are:

more alert

more energy

less depressed

eyes less light sensitive

skin not as dry

skin on finger ends not rippled. (probably not dehydrated)

breathing deeper.

I am only taking one small capsule a day. Udo's book is talking about much

larger doses.

I was beginning to think it was a placebo effect but for the skin effects. On

the downside I am not sleeping as well as I have been.

The effect is really surprising but then again I do seem to be

Hyper-sensitive to lots of things.

BTW I had all my Amalgams removed

about ten years ago.

Regards

Dave x

Re: Glutathione

Dave,

You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q-

10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with

it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot

of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to

start.

Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does

take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other

antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room "

to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA

for this purpose.

What improvements are you observing with the EFAs?

Rich

> > Thanks Rich,

> > very interesting.

> >

> > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that

the

> same

> > thing?

> >

> > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in

> London by 'Biolab'

> >

> > Pyruvate slightly low

> >

> > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The

Isocitrate/Citrate

> ratio was normal).

> >

> > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low

> >

> > HMG subnormal

> >

> > Everything else normal.

> >

> > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these

results

> were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a

> course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost

> > NAD levels and Co Q10.

> >

> > Regards Dave x

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, I have wanted to do ala for along time, but everywhere I go on the net

people warn against that saying that if you still have metal in your mouth

(which I do) that the ala will mobilize mercury from your mouth into your

tissues and make you worse.

So I was wondering if you had a different feeling or opinion on that? Always

hoping for another opinion. Chuckle. Someone to tell me what I want to hear.

lol.

Blessings.

Donna

Re: Glutathione

>

>

> Dave,

>

> You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since

Co Q-

> 10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present

with

> it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a

lot

> of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a

place to

> start.

>

> Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it

does

> take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other

> antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing

room "

> to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of

ALA

> for this purpose.

>

> What improvements are you observing with the EFAs?

>

> Rich

>

> --- In @y..., " david " <d.molyneaux@n

[Guest guest]

Your body cannot use oral glutathione to increase glutathione levels in the

cells. It breaks it down first. But apparently injections work, and also

whey allows your body to make gluathione.

Thanks,

Doris

[Guest guest]

,

Good question. Wish I knew the answer. The mechanisms are different

for getting the glutathione inside the cells with these two classes

of approaches. In addition, they access different cells.

The first class must make use of the gamma glutamyl cycle to break

down the glutathione so that the parts can be imported into the

cells. This cycle is present primarily in kidney and liver cells.

When glutathione is put in either by I.V. or rectal suppository, it

enters the general circulation of blood and is accessed by all types

of cells.

The second class does not need to use the gamma glutamyl cycle,

because the amino acids go in separately or perhaps as alpha-bound

dipeptides. They go directly to the liver first via the portal vein.

In a person with elevated mercury, the mercury can block at least

three of the enzymes involved in the glutathione system. It may not

block these enzymes to the same degree, so that one pathway may be

more available than another.

I don't think the answer to your question is currently known. It

certainly isn't known to me.

The second class is doable on one's own. The first class would

require the help of a doctor. I suspect the cost would be higher for

the first class, also.

Rich

> Rich, are Glutathione suppositories and/or I.V.'s; as good as

whey

> protein or the amino precursors?