Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 This is great advice Marc thanks for this - without seeing this I could have gone ahead to start Glutathione and end up making things worse for myself - so it would seem to be that you would need to be on a Mercury detox programme either before or in conjunction with the taking of glutathine regards Steph From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Re: Glutathione Date: Thursday, 11 December, 2008, 6:49 PM > Easy - v v premature aging - hair literally going greyer by the day - > and too grey for my age despite a healthy diet etc Yes, premature aging is a good sign of excessive free radical damage. Gray hair may be part of that, although I think gray hair could just be a mineral deficiency. I do note that Andy Cutler (a mercury " expert " with an almost cult following) advises that mercury toxic people NOT take supplementary glutathione unless they have test results showing they are deficient. Otherwise, glutathione could unsafely mobilize mercury without removing it from the body. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 > This is great advice Marc thanks for this - without seeing this I could > have gone ahead to start Glutathione and end up making things worse for > myself I know that in my own case, whenever I take anything that is supposed to raise glutathione to a significant degree, I feel terrible. I do okay with things that raise it a little (e.g. an avocado), but with supplements, I usually can only tolerate a fraction of the recommend dosage. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 maybe I should do a search on naturally occuring sources because I could inadvertently be taking it in, although in lower levels than you would find in a supplement. Over the last 6-8 weeks I have eliminated chocolate, which I think has made a postive difference, and have started eating an apple and a banana almost every day - trivial I know but I actually think they are helping my overall sensitivity.  Regards  Steph From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Re: Glutathione Date: Friday, 12 December, 2008, 4:10 PM > This is great advice Marc thanks for this - without seeing this I could > have gone ahead to start Glutathione and end up making things worse for > myself I know that in my own case, whenever I take anything that is supposed to raise glutathione to a significant degree, I feel terrible. I do okay with things that raise it a little (e.g. an avocado), but with supplements, I usually can only tolerate a fraction of the recommend dosage. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 wrote: > maybe I should do a search on naturally occuring sources because I > could inadvertently be taking it in, although in lower levels than > you would find in a supplement. Over the last 6-8 weeks I have > eliminated chocolate, which I think has made a postive difference, > and have started eating an apple and a banana almost every day - > trivial I know but I actually think they are helping my overall sensitivity. I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to avoid glutathione, just be aware that overdoing it could make you feel bad. Personally, I eat an avocado every day because I have noted that I do better on days that I eat an avocado than when not. And like you, I also eat an apple and banana every day for the same reason. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 and Marc, I have problems with many supplements including some glutathione. But i do really well on glutathione precuror aminos such as those found in whey, the brand Immunopro being generally regarded as the best. Whey also has a few immuno boosting substances. Even though i am allergic to pasturized dairy, this whey has tested energetically as the most valuable supplement that i have...until possibly iodine, which i haven't tested yet. > > maybe I should do a search on naturally occuring sources because I > > could inadvertently be taking it in, although in lower levels than > > you would find in a supplement. Over the last 6-8 weeks I have > > eliminated chocolate, which I think has made a postive difference, > > and have started eating an apple and a banana almost every day - > > trivial I know but I actually think they are helping my overall sensitivity. > > I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to avoid glutathione, just > be aware that overdoing it could make you feel bad. Personally, > I eat an avocado every day because I have noted that I do better > on days that I eat an avocado than when not. And like you, I > also eat an apple and banana every day for the same reason. > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Marc and Amy  I am a firm believer that your body/mind will instinctively tell you what it needs (and what it doesn't) if you only listen to it - but it is fascinating to know why you respond particularly well to some foods etc. I love bananas so that's no hardship, however with avocados its another thing altogether - I can take a small bit chopped up into a salad or something, but couldn't eat a whole one. I will check out the immunopro.  Regards  Steph From: javamdnss@... <javamdnss@...> Subject: Re: Re: Glutathione Date: Friday, 12 December, 2008, 8:17 PM marcufoseries (DOT) com writes: I eat an avocado every day because I have noted that I do better on days that I eat an avocado than when not. And like you, I also eat an apple and banana every day for the same reason. Marc Interesting. I always knew I felt better after eating avocados and now I know why! Same with bananas. This has been a very interesting thread. Amy “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.†PATRICK HENRY ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-dp & icid= aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 nah, when it comes to buying whey with no lactose you can be more accurate than Sahelian's use of " likely " . Sugars and carbohydrates are definitely listed on the label or the ingredients list online, and whey isolates and concentrates can be had with essentially zero. Plus, lactose intolerance disappears when you're on inulin, because inulin supports probiotic flourish and probiotics also use the lactose (as they do other carbs) before you react to it. Other research points out that a lactose intolerant individual should tolerate at least three grams of lactose in a sitting before provoking a lactose response; regardless risk:benefit analysis still says the cold-extracted whey and selenium are the most important supplements you could use for several reasons. A poor alternative that can be used for glutathione production only is cystine (cystine, not cysteine, not n-acetylcysteine), about 1.5 to 3 grams daily, plus the Se +-400 mcg. Also, IV glutathione works in the blood serum and some white blood cells use it. N-acetylcysteine, a toxic drug, also increases cellular glutathione, but M.D.s cite diminishing returns because of the toxic effect. That's why cysteine itself isn't used in human medicine at all, and n-acetylcysteine is only used medically for a day or two in life-saving emergencies.. all good, Duncan .. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hi Duncan, I'm not sure this will help, but as you know, glutathione is only produced inside the cells and not absorbed. Alpha-Lipoic acid, also an antioxidant, stimulates production of glutathione and is easily orally absorbed. Google alpha-lipoic acid by for more info. Regards, Craig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Thanks Craig for this link. I went and read it right away, and forwarded it to a friend. I have been taking Alpha-Lipoic acid for a couple weeks, and am really excited about it. Do you have any Idea what a good dosage is? I got some Now brand ALA at 650 mg, and am wondering if it's to much. Or is it like vitamin C, not upper limit. Thanks, > I'm not sure this will help, but as you know, glutathione is only produced > inside the cells and not absorbed. Alpha-Lipoic acid, also an antioxidant, > stimulates production of glutathione and is easily orally absorbed. > > Google alpha-lipoic acid by for more info. > > Regards, > > Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Craig, although glutathione is not absorbed by most cells, some white blood cells don't absorb the precursors but break down glutathione at the cell wall to use. Lung, sinus and bowel lining cells absorb glutathione directly. According to detailed research ALA doesn't stimulate glutathione production, it simply recycles spent glutathione GSSG by giving up an electron, like other antioxidants including glutathione can regenerate other antioxidants. Milk thistle stimulates fresh glutathione production, IF sufficient precusors are available. By the time a person is sick, I'd suggest CoQ10 over ALA in order to increase mitochondrial efficiency. all good, Duncan > > Hi Duncan, > > I'm not sure this will help, but as you know, glutathione is only produced > inside the cells and not absorbed. Alpha-Lipoic acid, also an antioxidant, > stimulates production of glutathione and is easily orally absorbed. > > Google alpha-lipoic acid by for more info. > > Regards, > > Craig > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Duncan, is one is allergic to whey, how else could one get glutathione in their system? thanks, carmen ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Cystine and selenocysteine are capsule supplements that increase glutathione (with selenium of course). Watch out for n-acetylcysteine; it's used as a supplement but it becomes toxic as it rapidly hydrolyzes to free-form cysteine, a toxin, before it hits the liver; it also has very short half life. I won't use it. Duncan > > Duncan, > is one is allergic to whey, how else could one get glutathione in their system? > > thanks, > carmen > > > > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Duncan, can you link me up with a specific source for the cysteine you recommend? Thanks Doug From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: glutathione candidiasis Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 12:57 PM Cystine and selenocysteine are capsule supplements that increase glutathione (with selenium of course). Watch out for n-acetylcysteine; it's used as a supplement but it becomes toxic as it rapidly hydrolyzes to free-form cysteine, a toxin, before it hits the liver; it also has very short half life. I won't use it. Duncan > > Duncan, > is one is allergic to whey, how else could one get glutathione in their system? > > thanks, > carmen > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Sorry, no, Doug, I have no preference. Duncan > > > > > > Duncan, > > > is one is allergic to whey, how else could one get glutathione in their system? > > > > > > thanks, > > > carmen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 What do you take to raise your glutathione levels. You say that nac and cysteine is toxic but what about L-cysteine. Should you take whey protein? Thanks > > > > Duncan, > > is one is allergic to whey, how else could one get glutathione in their system? > > > > thanks, > > carmen > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 L-cysteine is the cysteine we discuss, the toxin that is thinly disguised with an acetyl molecule in n-acetylcysteine. Unbonded l-cysteine, which NAC rapidly hydrolyzes to when it hits water, is a toxin that does not enter cells. Bonded to another amino acid, the cysteine is non-toxic and can be delivered to cells. There are a few types of bonded cysteine in uncooked whey protein, yes. This supplement is an age-management tool; everyone who sees 100 has unusually high levels and elderly individuals with the highest levels also have the best functionality and the least disease. Whey can figure prominently in reversing disease and degenerative illness. Duncan > > > What do you take to raise your glutathione levels. You say that nac and cysteine is toxic but what about L-cysteine. Should you take whey protein? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Duncan, I thought 3 amino acids are needed for glutathione effect: L-cysteine, L-glutamic acid and glycine cysteine is relatively rare in foodstuffs. Furthermore, if released as the free amino acid, cysteine is toxic and spontaneously catabolized in the gastrointestinal tract and blood plasma.(from wikipedia) your thoughts? thanks, carmen ________________________________ From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> candidiasis Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 2:44:14 PM Subject: Re: glutathione L-cysteine is the cysteine we discuss, the toxin that is thinly disguised with an acetyl molecule in n-acetylcysteine. Unbonded l-cysteine, which NAC rapidly hydrolyzes to when it hits water, is a toxin that does not enter cells. Bonded to another amino acid, the cysteine is non-toxic and can be delivered to cells. There are a few types of bonded cysteine in uncooked whey protein, yes. This supplement is an age-management tool; everyone who sees 100 has unusually high levels and elderly individuals with the highest levels also have the best functionality and the least disease. Whey can figure prominently in reversing disease and degenerative illness. Duncan MARKETPLACE Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * 5 New MembersVisit Your Group Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. Weight Management Group on Join the challenge and lose weight. Mom Power Community just for Moms Join the discussion .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 True, except the glutamic acid is used as l-glutamine. The cysteine must be delivered to the cell attached (bonded) to another amino acid; the cysteine is stripped off and used to make glutathione once it's inside the cell. One reason it's good to get cystine-rich foods is that both cysteines in this cysteine=cysteine dipeptide are used to make glutathione. all good, Duncan > > Duncan, > I thought 3 amino acids are needed for glutathione effect: > L-cysteine, L-glutamic acid and glycine > > cysteine is relatively rare in foodstuffs. Furthermore, if released as > the free amino acid, cysteine is toxic and spontaneously catabolized in > the gastrointestinal tract and blood plasma.(from wikipedia) > > your thoughts? > thanks, > carmen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> > candidiasis > Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 2:44:14 PM > Subject: Re: glutathione > > > L-cysteine is the cysteine we discuss, the toxin that is thinly disguised with an acetyl molecule in n-acetylcysteine. Unbonded l-cysteine, which NAC rapidly hydrolyzes to when it hits water, is a toxin that does not enter cells. Bonded to another amino acid, the cysteine is non-toxic and can be delivered to cells. > > There are a few types of bonded cysteine in uncooked whey protein, yes. This supplement is an age-management tool; everyone who sees 100 has unusually high levels and elderly individuals with the highest levels also have the best functionality and the least disease. > > Whey can figure prominently in reversing disease and degenerative illness. > > Duncan > > > MARKETPLACE > Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > * 5 > New MembersVisit Your Group > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > quickly & easily > with Sitebuilder. > Weight Management Group > on > Join the challenge > and lose weight. > > Mom Power > Community just for Moms > Join the discussion > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 > I would like to know more about glutathione. What is it for and how has > it helped you? How much do you need to take? Glutathione is the body's main antioxidant, helping you rid yourself of heavy metals and viruses. In chronically ill people, glutathione is typically depleted. I've read that taking glutathione supplements may not absorb all that well, although there are supplements which indirectly boost glutathione levels, like OSR and Alpha Lipoic Acid (probably many others). Also, some foods are high in glutathione, like avocados. Personally, ever since I got ill, I have eaten an avocado almost every day, and still find it beneficial (although fattening, I'm sure!) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Haha Marc on the Avacodo. I didn't know that so I need to add it to my diet only I'm trying to lose weight. Why is it we can never win! lol  I really contribute glutithione injections to one of the things that has literally saved my life. We can't live without it yet mainstream medicine doesn't do anything if you are low.  Loni  From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: glutathione Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:46 AM  > I would like to know more about glutathione. What is it for and how has > it helped you? How much do you need to take? Glutathione is the body's main antioxidant, helping you rid yourself of heavy metals and viruses. In chronically ill people, glutathione is typically depleted. I've read that taking glutathione supplements may not absorb all that well, although there are supplements which indirectly boost glutathione levels, like OSR and Alpha Lipoic Acid (probably many others). Also, some foods are high in glutathione, like avocados. Personally, ever since I got ill, I have eaten an avocado almost every day, and still find it beneficial (although fattening, I'm sure!) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 In researching the various ALA supplements at the store, I came across a product called Nerve Shield. It not only contains ALA, but also other supplements that are touted to protect the nerves and help rebuild the myelin sheathing. Since it stated that it also helped the body make glutathione, I felt it was worth the try. My wife has had a very good reactio to this supplement.    Since I observed that police radar affect her as badly as a microwave or wifi, if not worse, I realized that protecting the nerves and rebuilding the myelin sheathing are essential. After about a month of use, she has really reached a level of possible normalcy in the right environment. As long as the police are not shooting radar waves at her, her existence without symptoms is totally improved. I sincerely recommend this product. I see it is also available on the internet. This brings me to the next question. Do we have any rights to ask the police to stop radiating our neighborhood with their speed traps? I would like to know if it is even legal for the police to park on private property for their speed traps. Unfortunately, after moving three times, this house is the best environment, except that a church parking lot is on one side. We virtually have no neighbors to radiate us. A church on one side, a field to the back, and two semi-occupied houses on the other side.  I need to know how to approach this speed trap problem. I know I cannot confront the police directly. They will think we are crazy? Any thoughts? Are there human rights groups that protect the electically sensitive? Thanks, Mike From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: glutathione Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:46 AM  > I would like to know more about glutathione. What is it for and how has > it helped you? How much do you need to take? Glutathione is the body's main antioxidant, helping you rid yourself of heavy metals and viruses. In chronically ill people, glutathione is typically depleted. I've read that taking glutathione supplements may not absorb all that well, although there are supplements which indirectly boost glutathione levels, like OSR and Alpha Lipoic Acid (probably many others). Also, some foods are high in glutathione, like avocados. Personally, ever since I got ill, I have eaten an avocado almost every day, and still find it beneficial (although fattening, I'm sure!) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hi Mike This prod sounds good Was your wife severely affected? What were her symptoms?? And now??? wOw, can't wait to find out more!! Thnx Kooky > > > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: glutathione > > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:46 AM > > > Â > > > > > I would like to know more about glutathione. What is it for and how has > > it helped you? How much do you need to take? > > Glutathione is the body's main antioxidant, helping you rid yourself of > heavy metals and viruses. In chronically ill people, glutathione is > typically depleted. I've read that taking glutathione supplements > may not absorb all that well, although there are supplements which > indirectly boost glutathione levels, like OSR and Alpha Lipoic Acid > (probably many others). Also, some foods are high in glutathione, > like avocados. > > Personally, ever since I got ill, I have eaten an avocado > almost every day, and still find it beneficial (although fattening, > I'm sure!) > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 She has had severe reactions to radar, cell phones, etc. Now her reactions are so minimal she is going back to school. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: glutathione > > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:46 AM > > > Â > > > > > I would like to know more about glutathione. What is it for and how has > > it helped you? How much do you need to take? > > Glutathione is the body's main antioxidant, helping you rid yourself of > heavy metals and viruses. In chronically ill people, glutathione is > typically depleted. I've read that taking glutathione supplements > may not absorb all that well, although there are supplements which > indirectly boost glutathione levels, like OSR and Alpha Lipoic Acid > (probably many others). Also, some foods are high in glutathione, > like avocados. > > Personally, ever since I got ill, I have eaten an avocado > almost every day, and still find it beneficial (although fattening, > I'm sure!) > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 > In researching the various ALA supplements at the store, I came across a > product called Nerve Shield. It not only contains ALA, but also other > supplements that are touted to protect the nerves and help rebuild the > myelin sheathing. Interesting! I see that the daily dose of Nerve Shield (2 tablets) contains 300mg of alpha lipoic acid. I know of at least one discussion group that would insist that taking that much alpha lipoic acid at an interval of only once per day would make many people worse (due to mobilization of heavy metals), but I'm glad to hear that you're having good results. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Suggest to the local gov't that the police should be upgraded to Lidar (laser). It still might affect her though. In fact, first try buying about 5 feet of " veil shield " from Less EMF. Also some microwave absorber perhaps. In daytime I drive with veilshield across the windshield (held up by the visors) if I expect to encounter strong microwaves. At night it does make vision harder due to lights diffracting, and I generally only use it at stop lights near cell towers at night (although it's not impossible to drive with it at night if visibility is otherwise good and there's little oncoming traffic). My side and rear windows are shielded with ScotchTint amber-metallic; otherwise I'd want veil shield on all those too. The absorber I have on the dash and rear deck, but I don't think that's critical. I just started taking RLA finally. Will let you know if it has any dramatic results. Also curcumin. On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote: > > > > In researching the various ALA supplements at the store, I came across a > > product called Nerve Shield. It not only contains ALA, but also other > > supplements that are touted to protect the nerves and help rebuild the > > myelin sheathing. > > Interesting! I see that the daily dose of Nerve Shield (2 tablets) contains > 300mg of alpha lipoic acid. I know of at least one discussion group that > would insist that taking that much alpha lipoic acid at an interval of only > once per day would make many people worse (due to mobilization of heavy > metals), but I'm glad to hear that you're having good results. > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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