Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 From: " " <bchahn@...> Subject: glutathione > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > Thanks, > One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Thanks . You are always so helpful. I am, however, interested in a food source for the glutathione if there is one. glutathione > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > Thanks, > One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 > Thanks . You are always so helpful. I am, however, interested in a > food source for the glutathione if there is one. > > Well, in that case, whey is your answer ... > > glutathione > > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > > > Thanks, > > > One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 > > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > Thanks, , that question is immaterial because glutathione is broken down in the intestine. A better question would ask for a source of glutathione precursors. The answer - raw foods contain the precursors in very low amounts and you can barely get enough only if practically all your foods are raw. Cold-processed whey provides enough precursors in only about 40 grams to 60 grams daily. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 , Thanks again! So, whey, which is used to start most naturally fermented foods, is the key. I can see now why Nourishing Traditions recommends these fermented foods so much to regain health and vitality. Through them you are able to obtain the glutathione we need! It all makes sense to me now! > Thanks . You are always so helpful. I am, however, interested in a > food source for the glutathione if there is one. > > Well, in that case, whey is your answer ... > > glutathione > > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > > > Thanks, > > > One good source is purslane, available at www.life-enthusiast.com/purslane > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Yes, Rick did I believe. you body can assemble whatever it needs as long as you eat the natural whole foods containing necessary precursors. I hope when people mention whey they are talking about a natural food and not some lab concoction which would be totally unecessary, expensive and probably pointless. think about it. how did the human race ever manage to survive with frankenfoods, supps and other products? g > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 How did we survive as a species then if it it so difficult to get enough glutathione precursors ? Re: glutathione > > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > Thanks, , that question is immaterial because glutathione is broken down in the intestine. A better question would ask for a source of glutathione precursors. The answer - raw foods contain the precursors in very low amounts and you can barely get enough only if practically all your foods are raw. Cold-processed whey provides enough precursors in only about 40 grams to 60 grams daily. Duncan Crow Candidiasis stories: http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41 http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message: candidiasis Group page: candidiasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 I agree. It’s in natural source. We just need to relearn how to get it. How did we survive as a species then if it it so difficult to get enough glutathione precursors ? > Did someone previously post a list of natural sources for > glutathione? I am thinking I saw one somewhere but can't remember. > > Thanks, , that question is immaterial because glutathione is broken down in the intestine. A better question would ask for a source of glutathione precursors. The answer - raw foods contain the precursors in very low amounts and you can barely get enough only if practically all your foods are raw. Cold-processed whey provides enough precursors in only about 40 grams to 60 grams daily. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 No, I think (hope) we're talking about whey the byproduct of making cream cheese. It's that fluid that collects on the top of your yogurt. You can strain yogurt through cheesecloth to drain the whey and make your own cream cheese. The 'whey protein' powder that people buy to make blender drinks?? --- bchahn <bchahn@...> wrote: >> > Thanks . You are always so helpful. I > am, however, interested in a > > food source for the glutathione if there is > one. > > > > > > Well, in that case, whey is your answer ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 > Rick did I believe. you body can assemble whatever it needs as long as > you eat the natural whole foods containing necessary precursors. Thing is, , your body could reassemble the peptides very efficiently and still get onlt 1/4 of the glutathione precursors you need. See, as glutathione production precursors go, it takes 500 gallons of whey to produce the precursors in only 10 grams of Immunocal, which arguably is the best glutathione precursor food we can lay our hands on, and the one I had the statements for. Similarly, 1 kg of raw egg whites or raw nuts might provide the same amount of precursors, which should be about 3.6 grams of cysteine -contained in the peptides. But we commonly use three times that amount of Immunocal in a healing setting, more in other wheys, although once we're healed, perhaps a lot less. And the bioavailability of the cold-processed whey compared to any other protein is the real capper. > I > hope when people mention whey they are talking about a natural food > and not some lab concoction which would be totally unecessary, > expensive and probably pointless. think about it. Because low glutathione has been linked to general aging plus all of the age-related and degenerative diseases, you can readily see that while minimal amounts of the precursors are helpful, but it's not much of an anti-disease or anti-aging tool unless you can max out that production, especially if you're already sick. In that case your body's glutathione is already depleted and bailing out of an existing degenerative vortex is one of the ways out of illness; in fact it's very difficulat to do it without attention to this part. regards, Duncan Crow how did the human > race ever manage to survive with frankenfoods, supps and other > products? > > g They lived to whatever age predicated by the nutrition and groundwater quality they got. They didn't have much for pollution, yet they lived to be 50 or less, about 60% of our potential. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 I wonder how I managed to recover without it? > > > > Rick did I believe. you body can assemble whatever it needs as long > as > > you eat the natural whole foods containing necessary precursors. > > Thing is, , your body could reassemble the peptides very > efficiently and still get onlt 1/4 of the glutathione precursors you > need. > > See, as glutathione production precursors go, it takes 500 gallons of > whey to produce the precursors in only 10 grams of Immunocal, which > arguably is the best glutathione precursor food we can lay our hands > on, and the one I had the statements for. Similarly, 1 kg of raw egg > whites or raw nuts might provide the same amount of precursors, which > should be about 3.6 grams of cysteine -contained in the peptides. > > But we commonly use three times that amount of Immunocal in a healing > setting, more in other wheys, although once we're healed, perhaps a > lot less. And the bioavailability of the cold-processed whey compared > to any other protein is the real capper. > > > I > > hope when people mention whey they are talking about a natural food > > and not some lab concoction which would be totally unecessary, > > expensive and probably pointless. think about it. > > Because low glutathione has been linked to general aging plus all of > the age-related and degenerative diseases, you can readily see that > while minimal amounts of the precursors are helpful, but it's not > much of an anti-disease or anti-aging tool unless you can max out > that production, especially if you're already sick. In that case your > body's glutathione is already depleted and bailing out of an existing > degenerative vortex is one of the ways out of illness; in fact it's > very difficulat to do it without attention to this part. > > regards, > > Duncan Crow > > how did the human > > race ever manage to survive with frankenfoods, supps and other > > products? > > > > g > > They lived to whatever age predicated by the nutrition and > groundwater quality they got. They didn't have much for pollution, > yet they lived to be 50 or less, about 60% of our potential. > > D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 , I always assumed I had a leaky gut, because I am a universal reactor, but my new naturopath says it ain't necessarily so. How do they test for it? Thanks, (I do have a leaky gut, was tested for this) People > really do need to be careful with the whey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 That would be www.gsdl.com. Thanks, . > (I do have a leaky gut, was tested for this) People > > really do need to be careful with the whey. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 > The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino > acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and > cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly > prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and > glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese. Although maybe you can get almost enough glutathione from raw foods if you're healthy and you're paying attention to this exercise in prevention mode, those who are sick or toxic already have severe glutathione depletion. Glutathione depletion is linked to most diseases, especially 'age- related degeneration'. BUT 'normal' levels of glutathione in healthy people does not result in an optimal lifespan. Centenarians all had higher than normal measured glutathione levels; those who do not make a century and die of 'old age', which is to say preventable accumulated free radical damage, have lower levels. The question is whether a person wants to try to see 'real' old age of well over 100 or 'pretend' old age, which is normally just over 70. In other words, if you prevent most age-related degeneration and make your end run around other preventable causes of death, then of course you'll have a good chance of living longer. Unusually high cellular glutathione is one of the tools that you'll need for that. Accomplishing unusully high levels will necessitate supplements in addition to the raw foods. regards, Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 > But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese. Most of the albumin and lactalbumin, the primary cystine-containing proteins, are removed from the cheese and the kept in the whey (if the whey is cold-processed). Then cheese is cooked to sterilize it; this then breaks any cystine dipeptides left in it. For both of those reasons cheese is NOT a cystine source. The secret is to have the foods raw, cold-processed (and prefereably concentrated). Only then they are cystine sources. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Duncan, Would juicing fall in that category??? raw and concentrated??? gigiDuncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese. Most of the albumin and lactalbumin, the primary cystine-containing proteins, are removed from the cheese and the kept in the whey (if the whey is cold-processed).Then cheese is cooked to sterilize it; this then breaks any cystine dipeptides left in it. For both of those reasons cheese is NOT a cystine source. The secret is to have the foods raw, cold-processed (and prefereably concentrated). Only then they are cystine sources.Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 This is not an attack, just an observation. I got well without it, and I know others who have as well. Your body can make what it needs given the right foods, and the right conditions. This is my opinion by I also wholeheartedly believe it. That being said, its a free country and people can spend their money whereever they want. This is not a " fight " and people shouldn't stress over it. A difference in opinion is just that. I don't think keeping opinions to yourself is healthy anyway. get it all out, and move on. Sure Duncan has taken some heat, but, you have to keep this in perspective. People like me who do get well and realize that they wasted so much money on so much crap,and lost so much time, and I'm not referring to Duncan here because I didn't buy anything from him, feel a good bit of anger towards almost anyone selling anything. I know I do, I just don't say it as much anymore as I have concluded that all people must work through their healing in stages, and that perhaps not everyone is ready to conclude they don't need to buy much, if anything, to recover. Just as I don't think people should hold their opinions back, I also am not much for censorship. Even sick people can figure this stuff out, even if they have to spend a good bit of money doing it. Besides, sometimes learning the hard way is better, you will never forget that way. So for those who really don't like the appearance of animosity, I would say, just let people work through it, its part of the healing process, residual anger must be released. some people just have to get things off their chest, vent, and move on. What some people see as helpful, others see as only so much smoke and mirrors. That's the beauty of these forums anyway. g > > The liver is largely responsible for synthesizing the three amino > > acids (referred to as Glutathione precursors glycine, glutamate and > > cystine) eats a diet high in fresh fruits and vegetables and freshly > > prepared meats, you should get be getting enough glutamate and > > glycine. But cystine comes mostly from eggs, milk and cheese. > > Although maybe you can get almost enough glutathione from raw foods > if you're healthy and you're paying attention to this exercise in > prevention mode, those who are sick or toxic already have severe > glutathione depletion. > > Glutathione depletion is linked to most diseases, especially 'age- > related degeneration'. > > BUT 'normal' levels of glutathione in healthy people does not result > in an optimal lifespan. Centenarians all had higher than normal > measured glutathione levels; those who do not make a century and die > of 'old age', which is to say preventable accumulated free radical > damage, have lower levels. > > The question is whether a person wants to try to see 'real' old age > of well over 100 or 'pretend' old age, which is normally just over > 70. > > In other words, if you prevent most age-related degeneration and make > your end run around other preventable causes of death, then of course > you'll have a good chance of living longer. Unusually high cellular > glutathione is one of the tools that you'll need for that. > Accomplishing unusully high levels will necessitate supplements in > addition to the raw foods. > > regards, > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi, Please give me the difference between Glutamate and Glutathione? I have been told not to take Glutamate because it is a neuro toxin and I have migraine. So isn't glutamate one of the components of Glutathione? Thanks, H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi, . Glutamate (or glutamic acid) is one of the three amino acids that make up glutathione. Some people are sensitive to glutamic acid, also found in monosodium glutamate (MSG). Vitamin B-6 has been helpful for this, since it is involved in the reaction that converts glutamic acid to GABA (gamma aminobutyric acid). Glutamic acid is the main excitatory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system, and GABA is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter there. There needs to be a proper balance of these two in the brain. In CFS, the brain cells tend to be overactive, because of a lower than normal firing threshold for nerve impulses. Personally, I suspect that this occurs because of a shortage of ATP production in these cells, secondary to partial blockades in their Krebs cycles and probably also their respiratory chains. I suspect that these partial blockades occur because of a rise in peroxynitrite, resulting from a glutathione shortage. I haven't heard that glutamic acid is involved in migraines. If you are eating protein in your diet, you are getting some glutamic acid. I think the important thing is not to overdo your intake of glutamic acid if you are sensitive to it, and taking additional vitamin B-6 may reduce your sensitivity to it. Another thing you might consider is to take glutamine instead of glutamic acid (together with N-acetylcysteine and glycine, the other two amino acids needed to make glutathione), since the body is able to convert it. I suggest that you consult with your doctor before deciding whether to follow these suggestions, and I would also appreciate it if you would read my disclosure statement in message number 52529 and send me an e-mail stating that you have read it. Thanks. Rich > Hi, > Please give me the difference between Glutamate and Glutathione? I have been > told not to take Glutamate because it is a neuro toxin and I have migraine. > So isn't glutamate one of the components of Glutathione? > Thanks, > H. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi, Kathy. This is a great question. I wish I knew the answer! I think there are one or more vicious circles that we either have not identified yet, or that we have identified but have not been able to crack. It would be nice if just pouring on more glutathione would crack this nut, and maybe that would work, but maybe not, too. I don't think anyone knows for sure. Do you know whether your glutathione level is actually lifted by these treatments to a new steadystate value, or does it just drop back down to where it was before, after a few days? Have you actually had your glutathione level measured, or do you just go by how you feel? I suspect that the glutathione level does not really come up to a new steadystate level, but I don't have any measured data to prove that. Based on this assumption, though, the things I have been looking at in that regard are the normal functions of glutathione. Imagine that none of these functions is performed for a long time, because glutathione is depleted. What does this do that could form vicious circles or " bottomless pits " for glutathione? The ones that look most suspicious to me are the infections. We know that PWCs have infections, both viral and bacterial. It is known that the immune system has a big glutathione requirement when it is fighting an infection. Maybe the infections are the " ball and chain " that prevents glutathione from rising to normal levels. This is one of the reasons I think the Marshall protocol is interesting. If the mechanism that Dr. Marshall has proposed is active in a PWC, the intracellular bacterial infections would not be easily defeated, and there could be an ongoing drain on glutathione by the immune system as it's involved in continuous inflammation. We know that PWCs also have viral infections, as I said, and these could also be causing a glutathione drain. The other big drain on glutathione would be the toxins that have been stored over the time when there wasn't enough glutathione to take them out--mercury, for example, but also other toxins normally handled by glutathione. There could be a big time-integrated demand for glutathione from these toxins, and that would also prevent the glutathione level from rising to normal until the backlog was worked off. Well, that's about the best I can do on this question. It's one that I puzzle over a lot. Rich > Hi Rich, I was really interested in the Dr. Pall research and appreciate your writings. I think glutathione helps me. But I have had a question for a while, how much does it take to break the cycle, is it possible? It seems the whey and ivs are just temporary helps that don't repair blocks in krebs cycle. Maybe my doctor needs more publications about higher dosage. Thanks. Kathy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Look into ImmunePro. I buy it from Pro Health or ImmuneSupport. They have a pretty good price. Some people use sublingual glutathione. It may be as good or better, but there does seem to be good research on the ImmunePro boosting glutathione levels. a > I see many references to glutathione depletion. Any suggestions on > how to replenish glutathione in the body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 > > I see many references to glutathione depletion. Any suggestions on > > how to replenish glutathione in the body? Thak you for the information on Immunepro. I will research it and try to determine if it is suitable for me. Presently, I am taking thymic protein-A and seem (placebo?)to be getting very good results. However, I have never seen that supplement mentioned on this site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 <wuwei96815@y...> wrote: Any suggestions on how to replenish glutathione in the body? Because you need to get it in the Blood Stream ... When I am doing really bad ... I get IV Glutathione pushes at my Doctor's office. For Daily or on an as need basis, I use a compounded Glutathione (liquid) in a Nebulizer so that I can do it at home. If your Doc is open to it he could Rx it for you from a compounding pharmacy. Obviously, it's not as potent as the IV Glutathione, but it does the trick. Oral ... goes through the digestive system and doesn't seem to work, because you need to get it in the blood stream. --- I have also tried the precursors of NAC and ALA, but my gluthione is simply too depressed. --- And I tried the Immunopro - Whey products ... but didn't have much success. Though they most likely help in the long run. However, when my liver goes ... I sure count on IV Glutathione or through the Nebulizer. Hope that helps. is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I do Glutithione Nasal spray 3 to 4 times a day. I find it the easiest way to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I get it From Apothecure Pharmacy but you can get it from Wellness or College or other places. It comes in saline but I add some more sometimes. I just spray both nostrils 3 or 4 times a day when I remember to. I just put it in an empty spray bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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