Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 , I personally take 1 packet/day of Imuplus and 2/3 scoop of Immunepro 2x/day. Both products are different and have different amounts of laktoferrin, immunogloulins, etc. I'm hedging my bets by taking both. I recommend Imuplus initally for people starting out because so many people have trouble tolerating immunepro at the beginning. This is also the case for Imuplus but to a lesser degree i believe. Steve Bullock Re: glutathione > > HI Steve, > > Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had > a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some, > does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others > comments are welcome. > > > > > > Phil, > > > > I recommend Imuplus (later you > > can experiment with Immunepro if you wish) to start, 4 packets/day > for 30 > > days if you can tolerate it, if not gradually work up to it - if > you can > > tolerate the initial hi-loading dose your functional glutathione > levels will > > return to normal in 30 days, otherwise it may take 6 months or > more. > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 HI Steve, Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some, does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others comments are welcome. > Phil, > > I recommend Imuplus (later you > can experiment with Immunepro if you wish) to start, 4 packets/day for 30 > days if you can tolerate it, if not gradually work up to it - if you can > tolerate the initial hi-loading dose your functional glutathione levels will > return to normal in 30 days, otherwise it may take 6 months or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 In a message dated 9/21/00 3:28:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, clemjk@... writes: << HI Steve, Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some, does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others comments are welcome. >> Immunopro wasn't good for me, but Immuplus is great. It has the same potent effects on the immune system without the side effects that immunopro gave me. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 , I already answered this question today. I take both Imuplus and Immunepro to hedge my bets. They are different products with differing contents of laktoferrin, immunoglobulins, etc. I tell people to try Imuplus 1st because it seems to be better tolerated initially than Immunepro. If they can later handle Imuplus, then they can later start experimenting with Immunepro. I told Dr. Cheney I was taking both to hedge my bets and he said it was a good idea. Steve Bullock Re: Re: glutathione > > In a message dated 9/21/00 3:28:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > clemjk@... writes: > > << HI Steve, > > Why do you personally recommend Imuplus over Immunepro. Have you had > a bad experience with the Immunepro? Apparently it works for some, > does not work for others, and even makes a few sicker. Others > comments are welcome. > >> > > > Immunopro wasn't good for me, but Immuplus is great. It has the same potent > effects on the immune system without the side effects that immunopro gave me. > Just my opinion. > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 whey powder or immunocal will help to raise glutathione levels as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 , You're right. Less than half of glutathione gets past the stomach. A better source of glutathione is NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine) which does, and is the precursor to both glutathione & glutathione peroxidase. It has greater bioavailability and is more effective. This is one of the brain enhancing things I took for the 9 months when I meditated myself back to health. jim Price wrote: > > I would also > > think about IV of gludathoine and magnet therapy, We treated ALS, I went > to > > the med, library all of the studies showed LOW gludathoine levels and > > depolarization of the brain. > > > > There is an sublingual glutathione by Physiologics that is > absorbed under the tongue. The sub-linguals > are about as effective if one can't get I.V.'s. There is > also a glutathione capsule which is not destroyed in the > stomach put out by Pure Encapsulations. I would go with > the sub-lingual version even though it does taste nasty. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 > re: Competition for glutathione precursors between the immune system > and the skeletal muscle: pathogenesis of chronic fatigue syndrome. > > My question is, what should I do about this? How much > N-acetyl-l-cysteine should one of us take? -Theresa > > ===== > i really recommend you consider the undenatured whey protein, > ala immunocal, imuplus, or other equivalents. i found this worked best for > me to boost glutathione intracell. it is a Godsend. > nancym I strongly second 's recommendation. As I understand it, the goal is to encourage the cell to produce its glutathione intracellularly. It seems that oral cysteine and oral glutathione, to include IV glutathione, tends to break down prior to reaching our cells. Undenatured whey, it is proposed, is rich in the amino acid cystine, which is able to survive the rigors of the gut and blood serum, and find its way to the cell, were it breaks down into cysteine, and is used to produce glutathione. I started undenatured whey late last year, and have found it to be extremely beneficial. I do not think that glutathione deficiency causes CFS, but it do think that it is central to many to the CFS symptoms. Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Im looking for a source alone cause the dose is 1-2 grams/day. for almalgam removal protocol. Jaen Treesinger Bengals from the RainForest ........amazingly smart, incredibly fast and just gorgeous! Check out new pictures on our website at: http://www.bengal-cat.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 In a message dated 4/11/2001 8:34:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sstieger@... writes: << will this not work to increase glutathione levels in my system? >> no, it will not work very well. taking glutathione orally is not an effective way to increase *intracellular* glutathione, and it is the intracellular glutathione we are most concerned with here. n-acetylcysteine has some efficacy, but you would probably need a lot of it to significantly increase intracellular glut. and at those levels the n-ac. might be toxic. the *nondenatured* whey proteins are effective in raising intracellular glut. these would be: immunocal, imuplus, immunepro and maybe L.e.f. whey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 I took reduced L-Glutathione for a while at the recommendation of my naturopath. She seemed to think it would give me a big boost in energy and/or have better detoxing with it. It didn't seem to do a thing for me. She's used it with some of her other CFS patients and it seemed to benefit them. I felt absolutely no different while on it. But drinking Immunepro has made a huge difference in me. I thought maybe the reason the reduced L-Glutathione didn't seem to help me was that I have to take so many other supplements on an empty stomach, and they might have interfered with it. lindaj@... Glutathione > I have been taking a supplement by Vital Life that is called > " Reduced L-Glutathione " 150 mg with some magnesium. will this not work to increase glutathione levels in my system? thanks ss > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Hi . Most people use one of the undenatured whey proteins ( ImmunePro, Immunocal, etc) to build glutathione. You can also get glutathione to inject IM and it can be administered IV. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi: I would appreciate more information on what is the name and telephone number of the lab that does this test? If you know the diagnosis for the test, that would be appreciated. thank you in advance best, lea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 i ahve read that alpha lipoic acid is also supposed to help increase glutatione levels thanks bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 What about milk Thistle and dandelion? Do they increase Gluthatione levels or do they help for something else? Thanks. Nil Re: Glutathione | i ahve read that alpha lipoic acid is also supposed to help increase | glutatione levels | | thanks | bill | | | | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 , The Cellular Energy Profile test offered by Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab measures a subset of the organic acids that are measured in a complete urinary organic acids test. It measures those that are associated with energy production by the cells, including those associated with the Krebs cycle. It doesn't measure pyroglutamic acid. I take it that your level of citric acid came out normal. I think the assessment by Biolab sounds pretty good. Did you try the B3 and Q-10, and if so, did they help? It seems possible that your glutathione was a little low also (since your isocitric acid and alpha ketoglutaric acid, which is the same as 2-oxo-glutaric acid, were low), but probably not badly low, if your citric acid level was normal. If the B3 and Q-10 didn't do the whole job for you, you might consider trying to build your glutathione with undenatured whey protein. If this doesn't do it, then something else must be going on. Rich > Thanks Rich, > very interesting. > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the same > thing? > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in London by 'Biolab' > > Pyruvate slightly low > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate ratio was normal). > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low > > HMG subnormal > > Everything else normal. > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost > NAD levels and Co Q10. > > Regards Dave x > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Thanks Rich, I have been taking 125mgs of Nicotinamide for maybe two years as part of my insulin co-factor. I was taking it when I had the acids test. I did get some Co q10 but had a reaction to it. I think it made me feel nauseas but it was in fish oil so it was probably that. I have had it in dry supplements in the past but I never noticed any effects. Maybe I should try again. What is making a big difference is the high EPA oil. I am working on that one. I feel that some extra Glutathione will help the fatigue from what you have said and other sources I have read. I have a problem with whey so I may try the Lipoic acid which I believe is a precursor of Glut. Regards Dave x Re: Glutathione , The Cellular Energy Profile test offered by Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab measures a subset of the organic acids that are measured in a complete urinary organic acids test. It measures those that are associated with energy production by the cells, including those associated with the Krebs cycle. It doesn't measure pyroglutamic acid. I take it that your level of citric acid came out normal. I think the assessment by Biolab sounds pretty good. Did you try the B3 and Q-10, and if so, did they help? It seems possible that your glutathione was a little low also (since your isocitric acid and alpha ketoglutaric acid, which is the same as 2-oxo-glutaric acid, were low), but probably not badly low, if your citric acid level was normal. If the B3 and Q-10 didn't do the whole job for you, you might consider trying to build your glutathione with undenatured whey protein. If this doesn't do it, then something else must be going on. Rich > Thanks Rich, > very interesting. > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the same > thing? > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in London by 'Biolab' > > Pyruvate slightly low > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate ratio was normal). > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low > > HMG subnormal > > Everything else normal. > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost > NAD levels and Co Q10. > > Regards Dave x > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Dave, You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q- 10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to start. Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room " to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA for this purpose. What improvements are you observing with the EFAs? Rich > > Thanks Rich, > > very interesting. > > > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the > same > > thing? > > > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in > London by 'Biolab' > > > > Pyruvate slightly low > > > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate > ratio was normal). > > > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low > > > > HMG subnormal > > > > Everything else normal. > > > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results > were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a > course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost > > NAD levels and Co Q10. > > > > Regards Dave x > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Do you agree that ala should not be used when you still have mercury in your mouth? Donna Re: Glutathione Dave, You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q- 10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to start. Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room " to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA for this purpose. What improvements are you observing with the EFAs? Rich > > Thanks Rich, > > very interesting. > > > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the > same > > thing? > > > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in > London by 'Biolab' > > > > Pyruvate slightly low > > > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate > ratio was normal). > > > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low > > > > HMG subnormal > > > > Everything else normal. > > > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results > were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a > course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost > > NAD levels and Co Q10. > > > > Regards Dave x > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Could someone give the reasons why co-Q is so frequently used in this illness. I was given it a long time ago and my then doc took me off ot it, as was his style. But it seems to be spoken of as so important. Is there somewhere there is something written on this that I can go to, could someone advise me. Also , dosing. I notice that Rich said it is best to take it with EFA's I think. And was there implication that this combo or co-q itself is related to glutathione increase? I'm going for my 2nd IgG tonight. I'll find out how much he's giving me and if I have no beneficial reaction, as I didn't the first time a month ago, whether I should hold out hope. I'm hoping some intervention will give me a boost, as so many haven't. And I'm running out of remedies I can afford--that are covered or are quite inexpensive. Thanks. Judith Wisdom (trying to keep my chin up) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Re: Re: Glutathione > And I'm running out of remedies I > can afford--that are covered or are quite inexpensive. > > Thanks. > > Judith Wisdom (trying to keep my chin up) Hi Judith- Me too. I'll keep my chin up with you! Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Donna, I'm sorry, but I don't know the answer to this. Rich > > > Thanks Rich, > > > very interesting. > > > > > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that > the > > same > > > thing? > > > > > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in > > London by 'Biolab' > > > > > > Pyruvate slightly low > > > > > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The > Isocitrate/Citrate > > ratio was normal). > > > > > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low > > > > > > HMG subnormal > > > > > > Everything else normal. > > > > > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these > results > > were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a > > course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost > > > NAD levels and Co Q10. > > > > > > Regards Dave x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Thanks again Rich, the improvements I have noticed are: more alert more energy less depressed eyes less light sensitive skin not as dry skin on finger ends not rippled. (probably not dehydrated) breathing deeper. I am only taking one small capsule a day. Udo's book is talking about much larger doses. I was beginning to think it was a placebo effect but for the skin effects. On the downside I am not sleeping as well as I have been. The effect is really surprising but then again I do seem to be Hyper-sensitive to lots of things. BTW I had all my Amalgams removed about ten years ago. Regards Dave x Re: Glutathione Dave, You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q- 10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to start. Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room " to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA for this purpose. What improvements are you observing with the EFAs? Rich > > Thanks Rich, > > very interesting. > > > > I have had a' Energy Profile' test by 'Great Smokies' is that the > same > > thing? > > > > If so, these were the main findings. I had them reviewed in > London by 'Biolab' > > > > Pyruvate slightly low > > > > Isocitric Acid subnormal (The Isocitrate/Citrate > ratio was normal). > > > > Alpha- ketogluric Acid Low > > > > HMG subnormal > > > > Everything else normal. > > > > They concluded that in a person as unfit as myself these results > were nothing to be alarmed by and they could be corrected with a > course of Nicotinamide (B3) to boost > > NAD levels and Co Q10. > > > > Regards Dave x > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Well, I have wanted to do ala for along time, but everywhere I go on the net people warn against that saying that if you still have metal in your mouth (which I do) that the ala will mobilize mercury from your mouth into your tissues and make you worse. So I was wondering if you had a different feeling or opinion on that? Always hoping for another opinion. Chuckle. Someone to tell me what I want to hear. lol. Blessings. Donna Re: Glutathione > > > Dave, > > You might try taking the Co Q-10 when you take the EFAs, since Co Q- > 10 is much better absorbed if there is some oil or fat present with > it. One of the published studies (by Folkers et al., who did a lot > of work on Q-10) used peanut butter! A dose of 100 mg is a place to > start. > > Alpha lipoic acid is not a precursor for glutathione, but it does > take over some of the work of glutathione in regenerating other > antioxidants, and in that way gives the cells some " breathing room " > to rebuild glutathione. Dr. Cheney recommends 300 mg per day of ALA > for this purpose. > > What improvements are you observing with the EFAs? > > Rich > > --- In @y..., " david " <d.molyneaux@n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Your body cannot use oral glutathione to increase glutathione levels in the cells. It breaks it down first. But apparently injections work, and also whey allows your body to make gluathione. Thanks, Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 , Good question. Wish I knew the answer. The mechanisms are different for getting the glutathione inside the cells with these two classes of approaches. In addition, they access different cells. The first class must make use of the gamma glutamyl cycle to break down the glutathione so that the parts can be imported into the cells. This cycle is present primarily in kidney and liver cells. When glutathione is put in either by I.V. or rectal suppository, it enters the general circulation of blood and is accessed by all types of cells. The second class does not need to use the gamma glutamyl cycle, because the amino acids go in separately or perhaps as alpha-bound dipeptides. They go directly to the liver first via the portal vein. In a person with elevated mercury, the mercury can block at least three of the enzymes involved in the glutathione system. It may not block these enzymes to the same degree, so that one pathway may be more available than another. I don't think the answer to your question is currently known. It certainly isn't known to me. The second class is doable on one's own. The first class would require the help of a doctor. I suspect the cost would be higher for the first class, also. Rich > Rich, are Glutathione suppositories and/or I.V.'s; as good as whey > protein or the amino precursors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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