Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLY

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Looks ot me like you need to get your ferritin up MUCH better before

increasing the T3. YES you ned ot take SOME T3. Though your T4 is not

totally supressed so it will not harm you to just stop it. Gettign

cortils and ferritin better will stop these sympotms you are gettign

from the T3. It is low ferritin causing them.

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I apologize for all the messages I've written. But what else can I do. I feel it's life or death here. I appreciate your reply, Nick. (And Valirie, and the others who wrote their experiences with tightness in the chest!)Can I take synthetic T3 under my tongue? Wow. I only thought this was possiblewith dessicated thyroid?

>

>Let's say I take my first T3 at 10 am. Then I can do the first 25 mg

>Iron at 11 am, right? BUT THEN I have to wait 4 hours, til 3 pm before

>taking T3 again. But second T3 dose is now scheduled daily at 2 pm!

>But this cannot be done if I take Iron 1 hour after taking T3 at

>10 am! How do I do this?

44 unanswered messages in this thread, it will take time to deal with

them!! I will try and do most this evening.

If you let the T3 dissolve under your tongue there is no interaction

with iron at all

Nick

[Guest guest]

I apologize for all the messages I've written. But what else can I do. I feel it's life or death here. I appreciate your reply, Nick. (And Valirie, and the others who wrote their experiences with tightness in the chest!)Can I take synthetic T3 under my tongue? Wow. I only thought this was possiblewith dessicated thyroid?

>

>Let's say I take my first T3 at 10 am. Then I can do the first 25 mg

>Iron at 11 am, right? BUT THEN I have to wait 4 hours, til 3 pm before

>taking T3 again. But second T3 dose is now scheduled daily at 2 pm!

>But this cannot be done if I take Iron 1 hour after taking T3 at

>10 am! How do I do this?

44 unanswered messages in this thread, it will take time to deal with

them!! I will try and do most this evening.

If you let the T3 dissolve under your tongue there is no interaction

with iron at all

Nick

[Guest guest]

I apologize for all the messages I've written. But what else can I do. I feel it's life or death here. I appreciate your reply, Nick. (And Valirie, and the others who wrote their experiences with tightness in the chest!)Can I take synthetic T3 under my tongue? Wow. I only thought this was possiblewith dessicated thyroid?

>

>Let's say I take my first T3 at 10 am. Then I can do the first 25 mg

>Iron at 11 am, right? BUT THEN I have to wait 4 hours, til 3 pm before

>taking T3 again. But second T3 dose is now scheduled daily at 2 pm!

>But this cannot be done if I take Iron 1 hour after taking T3 at

>10 am! How do I do this?

44 unanswered messages in this thread, it will take time to deal with

them!! I will try and do most this evening.

If you let the T3 dissolve under your tongue there is no interaction

with iron at all

Nick

[Guest guest]

I know that my Ferritin is not optimal. (66 - without a break from supplementing of iron)If I don't do my synthetic T3 sublingually, can I for example take my T3, then take 25-50 mg Iron after 1 hour (that's the limit, right?) and then take my newxt T3 4 hours after Itook the iron? That is 5 hours after taking my first dose of T3.So far I have not taken T3 today at all. It's almost 24 hours since I took T3. I feelsurprisingly good so far.Also, a 3-day interval between each 2.5 mg HC increase, does that sound ok?Thanks V.Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart

just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:55 PM

Looks ot me like you need to get your ferritin up MUCH better before

increasing the T3. YES you ned ot take SOME T3. Though your T4 is not

totally supressed so it will not harm you to just stop it. Gettign

cortils and ferritin better will stop these sympotms you are gettign

from the T3. It is low ferritin causing them.

--

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,If my thyroid gland is working normally, (my TSH went up from 0.01 while on T4/T3 2 years ago, to 1.21 while taking only 75 mkg T4 earlier this year - It's proof it's working!), won'tI always have T4 then, converting into T3? Or does the 10/15 mcg T3 I am taking nowlower TSH so much that the Thyroid won't be able to produce much T4/T3?I always had a normal Thyroid gland. Nobody knows why I got Hypo symptoms when I was 13 and up til 18 (when I started T4-meds and got all healthy - except that the tachycardia stayed with me!) . . .T.Subject: Re: Re: Help

- Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:55 PM

Looks ot me like you need to get your ferritin up MUCH better before

increasing the T3. YES you ned ot take SOME T3. Though your T4 is not

totally supressed so it will not harm you to just stop it. Gettign

cortils and ferritin better will stop these sympotms you are gettign

from the T3. It is low ferritin causing them.

--

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[Guest guest]

,If my thyroid gland is working normally, (my TSH went up from 0.01 while on T4/T3 2 years ago, to 1.21 while taking only 75 mkg T4 earlier this year - It's proof it's working!), won'tI always have T4 then, converting into T3? Or does the 10/15 mcg T3 I am taking nowlower TSH so much that the Thyroid won't be able to produce much T4/T3?I always had a normal Thyroid gland. Nobody knows why I got Hypo symptoms when I was 13 and up til 18 (when I started T4-meds and got all healthy - except that the tachycardia stayed with me!) . . .T.Subject: Re: Re: Help

- Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:55 PM

Looks ot me like you need to get your ferritin up MUCH better before

increasing the T3. YES you ned ot take SOME T3. Though your T4 is not

totally supressed so it will not harm you to just stop it. Gettign

cortils and ferritin better will stop these sympotms you are gettign

from the T3. It is low ferritin causing them.

--

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[Guest guest]

,If my thyroid gland is working normally, (my TSH went up from 0.01 while on T4/T3 2 years ago, to 1.21 while taking only 75 mkg T4 earlier this year - It's proof it's working!), won'tI always have T4 then, converting into T3? Or does the 10/15 mcg T3 I am taking nowlower TSH so much that the Thyroid won't be able to produce much T4/T3?I always had a normal Thyroid gland. Nobody knows why I got Hypo symptoms when I was 13 and up til 18 (when I started T4-meds and got all healthy - except that the tachycardia stayed with me!) . . .T.Subject: Re: Re: Help

- Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:55 PM

Looks ot me like you need to get your ferritin up MUCH better before

increasing the T3. YES you ned ot take SOME T3. Though your T4 is not

totally supressed so it will not harm you to just stop it. Gettign

cortils and ferritin better will stop these sympotms you are gettign

from the T3. It is low ferritin causing them.

--

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[Guest guest]

Should I or shouldn't I take T3 today at all? That is the question...Still no real pressure on my heart! My head and vision both feel clear. I don't have any specialcloudy fee in my thoughts. I think this improvment have appeared in the past week whileon T3-only.However, the pressure is unbelieveable when it appears and something I want to be without!

[Guest guest]

Should I or shouldn't I take T3 today at all? That is the question...Still no real pressure on my heart! My head and vision both feel clear. I don't have any specialcloudy fee in my thoughts. I think this improvment have appeared in the past week whileon T3-only.However, the pressure is unbelieveable when it appears and something I want to be without!

[Guest guest]

Should I or shouldn't I take T3 today at all? That is the question...Still no real pressure on my heart! My head and vision both feel clear. I don't have any specialcloudy fee in my thoughts. I think this improvment have appeared in the past week whileon T3-only.However, the pressure is unbelieveable when it appears and something I want to be without!

[Guest guest]

It is not just the iron interfering wiht T3 absorbtion. It is thta LOW

FERRITIN causes extreme adrneal stress and anxiety and the herat symptom

when oyu try to take T3 when it is still too low. Your Ferirtin of 66

whiel not stoppign supplements is probabyl no higher than 25-30. WAY too

low to tolerate and USE T3 by your body. When they body can;t USE T3

correctly it revolts with these horrid symptom oyu are haivng. It will

prvent you from optimizing HC at any dose. I would lower your Total T3

dose for the dy. I am not sure what oyu were taking but take a bit less.

Sublingual will not matter. it is what is happening iopnec it is in the

blood thta is causing the issues due to low ferritin.

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[Guest guest]

It is not just the iron interfering wiht T3 absorbtion. It is thta LOW

FERRITIN causes extreme adrneal stress and anxiety and the herat symptom

when oyu try to take T3 when it is still too low. Your Ferirtin of 66

whiel not stoppign supplements is probabyl no higher than 25-30. WAY too

low to tolerate and USE T3 by your body. When they body can;t USE T3

correctly it revolts with these horrid symptom oyu are haivng. It will

prvent you from optimizing HC at any dose. I would lower your Total T3

dose for the dy. I am not sure what oyu were taking but take a bit less.

Sublingual will not matter. it is what is happening iopnec it is in the

blood thta is causing the issues due to low ferritin.

--

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[Guest guest]

It is not just the iron interfering wiht T3 absorbtion. It is thta LOW

FERRITIN causes extreme adrneal stress and anxiety and the herat symptom

when oyu try to take T3 when it is still too low. Your Ferirtin of 66

whiel not stoppign supplements is probabyl no higher than 25-30. WAY too

low to tolerate and USE T3 by your body. When they body can;t USE T3

correctly it revolts with these horrid symptom oyu are haivng. It will

prvent you from optimizing HC at any dose. I would lower your Total T3

dose for the dy. I am not sure what oyu were taking but take a bit less.

Sublingual will not matter. it is what is happening iopnec it is in the

blood thta is causing the issues due to low ferritin.

--

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[Guest guest]

Your TSH going up is NOT proof oyur thyroid is working normally. It

means you PITUITARY GLAND is working normally. TSH is produced by the

pituitary gland, not the thyroid.

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[Guest guest]

Your TSH going up is NOT proof oyur thyroid is working normally. It

means you PITUITARY GLAND is working normally. TSH is produced by the

pituitary gland, not the thyroid.

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[Guest guest]

Your TSH going up is NOT proof oyur thyroid is working normally. It

means you PITUITARY GLAND is working normally. TSH is produced by the

pituitary gland, not the thyroid.

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[Guest guest]

Ok, I see. But what about my thyroid levels - They were fine back in 1997 when I did myfirst thyroid blood work. Because of my hypo symptoms, I was put on T4 and got healthy from it!I am just guessing that my thyroid is working the same way after these (soon) 13 years.An ultrasound of my thyroid proved that it has a normal size and looked fine, exceptthat there is a small knot on it. Nobody thinks this knot can be bad, so nothing hasbeen done to it. I could test it and check the flow through it, but then I would have tostop taking thyroid meds completely for 1 month first.The point is.. My thyroid is normal. I _Was_ not. And I have no idea how I would bewithout meds today. Healthy, sick. Who knows, right?Still haven't taken any T3 today.Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 2:02 PM

Your TSH going up is NOT proof oyur thyroid is working normally. It

means you PITUITARY GLAND is working normally. TSH is produced by the

pituitary gland, not the thyroid.

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[Guest guest]

Ok, I see. But what about my thyroid levels - They were fine back in 1997 when I did myfirst thyroid blood work. Because of my hypo symptoms, I was put on T4 and got healthy from it!I am just guessing that my thyroid is working the same way after these (soon) 13 years.An ultrasound of my thyroid proved that it has a normal size and looked fine, exceptthat there is a small knot on it. Nobody thinks this knot can be bad, so nothing hasbeen done to it. I could test it and check the flow through it, but then I would have tostop taking thyroid meds completely for 1 month first.The point is.. My thyroid is normal. I _Was_ not. And I have no idea how I would bewithout meds today. Healthy, sick. Who knows, right?Still haven't taken any T3 today.Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 2:02 PM

Your TSH going up is NOT proof oyur thyroid is working normally. It

means you PITUITARY GLAND is working normally. TSH is produced by the

pituitary gland, not the thyroid.

--

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Aha you think my Ferritin is That low... Could explain a few things.Can I take iron 1 hour after I swallow my T3? Is that the rule?I was on 10 mcg T3 for 3 days, 15 mcg for 2 days, and 10 mcg yesterday. Nothing today so far.Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 2:01 PM

It is not just the iron interfering wiht T3 absorbtion. It is thta LOW

FERRITIN causes extreme adrneal stress and anxiety and the herat symptom

when oyu try to take T3 when it is still too low. Your Ferirtin of 66

whiel not stoppign supplements is probabyl no higher than 25-30. WAY too

low to tolerate and USE T3 by your body. When they body can;t USE T3

correctly it revolts with these horrid symptom oyu are haivng. It will

prvent you from optimizing HC at any dose. I would lower your Total T3

dose for the dy. I am not sure what oyu were taking but take a bit less.

Sublingual will not matter. it is what is happening iopnec it is in the

blood thta is causing the issues due to low ferritin.

--

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[Guest guest]

That your thyroid WAS normal 13 years ago is not proof it is normal

today. SOMETHING was wrong causing your hypo symptoms and if T4 fixed

them, I woudl assume it wa NOT RT3 but low thyroid production. What

doctors term NORMAL thyroid funciotn often means a normal TSH. I alsmost

died of myxedema Coma with a normal TSH. SO unless oyur free thyroid

levels were alos NORMAL an by that I mena midrange FT4 adn upper third

of range FT3, you can have normal labs and still have an underfuctioning

thyroid. This tends to worsen over time. A nodule on your thyroid is

fairly good PROOF ther is a problem as nodules are NOT normal. They can

be harmless but the fact you have one is room enough to be fairly

certain you have Hashi's which si progressive.

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[Guest guest]

That your thyroid WAS normal 13 years ago is not proof it is normal

today. SOMETHING was wrong causing your hypo symptoms and if T4 fixed

them, I woudl assume it wa NOT RT3 but low thyroid production. What

doctors term NORMAL thyroid funciotn often means a normal TSH. I alsmost

died of myxedema Coma with a normal TSH. SO unless oyur free thyroid

levels were alos NORMAL an by that I mena midrange FT4 adn upper third

of range FT3, you can have normal labs and still have an underfuctioning

thyroid. This tends to worsen over time. A nodule on your thyroid is

fairly good PROOF ther is a problem as nodules are NOT normal. They can

be harmless but the fact you have one is room enough to be fairly

certain you have Hashi's which si progressive.

--

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[Guest guest]

That your thyroid WAS normal 13 years ago is not proof it is normal

today. SOMETHING was wrong causing your hypo symptoms and if T4 fixed

them, I woudl assume it wa NOT RT3 but low thyroid production. What

doctors term NORMAL thyroid funciotn often means a normal TSH. I alsmost

died of myxedema Coma with a normal TSH. SO unless oyur free thyroid

levels were alos NORMAL an by that I mena midrange FT4 adn upper third

of range FT3, you can have normal labs and still have an underfuctioning

thyroid. This tends to worsen over time. A nodule on your thyroid is

fairly good PROOF ther is a problem as nodules are NOT normal. They can

be harmless but the fact you have one is room enough to be fairly

certain you have Hashi's which si progressive.

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[Guest guest]

Yes you can take iron an hour after swallowing T3. The t3 absorbs rather

quickyl even when swallowed so ti is fully absorbed within an hour. Iron

absorbs slowly so it takes at least FOUR hours after takign iron before

oyu can take more T3 wihtout interferance wqoiht absirbtion. This is

talking about absorbtion, not utilization. Utilizat9ion will not improve

until your over all ferritin levels come up bnetter.

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Mhm... Well, only my TSH and FT4 was test in 1997. TSH was at 1.21 (I have no clue what the range was back then) and FT4 was like 12.5 or something. Again, no clue about the range, but I am guessing 12.5 is towards the lower end which is normally around 9.Hashimotos. Interesting that you mention it. I never had any anibodies, and I test themevery month (don't ask me why - I just do, just in case!) - I do: ANTI-TPO and TRAS.Is this enough to test? I believe antibodies were tested back in 1997 too, but nothingwas found. The main endocrinology dept. hailed me Healthy back then. I was NOT.What I was told by them last year, when _I_ myself found that nodule (it's small,4 x 6 mm in size), was that "it's perfectly normal to have one of several nodules on the thyroid, and it doesn't do you any harm!" - Can you explain to me what this nodule

can do?Do I need to remove it? Partial removal of the Thyroid? How can I find out what's with the nodule?Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 2:21 PM

That your thyroid WAS normal 13 years ago is not proof it is normal

today. SOMETHING was wrong causing your hypo symptoms and if T4 fixed

them, I woudl assume it wa NOT RT3 but low thyroid production. What

doctors term NORMAL thyroid funciotn often means a normal TSH. I alsmost

died of myxedema Coma with a normal TSH. SO unless oyur free thyroid

levels were alos NORMAL an by that I mena midrange FT4 adn upper third

of range FT3, you can have normal labs and still have an underfuctioning

thyroid. This tends to worsen over time. A nodule on your thyroid is

fairly good PROOF ther is a problem as nodules are NOT normal. They can

be harmless but the fact you have one is room enough to be fairly

certain you have Hashi's which si progressive.