Fasting

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/23/2000 6:28:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

harriott@... writes:

<< Regarding the beverage (lemon juice, maple syrup, pinch of cayenne etc.) to

be consumed during a fast, can a person whose battling candidiasis consume

the maple syrup? I'm not totally sure I have candidiasis, however since I've

consumed so many sweets in my life and I'm REALLY battling trying to break

the habit, I probably do have it.

>>

*************************

I also suffer from candidias but mine is not near as bad as a friend I have.

Sugar was always a problem for me. Several months ago i listened to some

tapes by Dr. Carey Reams and read his book. He said of all the things we

consume, sugar is the most devastating to the health. He went into detail

about how it destroys the calcium in our body and how all sick people

have a calcium problem. How it had lots to do with diverticulitis, which

can lead to colon cancer. That didn't really ring a bell with me until 4

months

ago my mother-in-law was having problems with her bowels and had been

diagnosed with diverticulitis the year before. One day she became so ill

she went to the hospital. They found she had colon cancer did surgery

and she died 4 days later. My mind suddenly went back to all I had read and

was reading and I remembered how much sugar she ate. The last family

gathering

we attended, she picked at her food but consumed 5 desserts and became very

upset me because I wouldn't allow my grandson to part take of that sugar

feast.

Even my husband who cares nothing for health related issues, was shocked at

what she ate and he even told her no about our grandson. She was a fine

person and we miss her terribly.

After the funeral I told my husband I wasn't buying anymore desserts. I no

longer

have any desire to eat it. He brings some things home now and then but I have

no desire. It took her death to teach me this.

Now to the question about maple syrup...I do fast on that sometime but use

less syrup and my stomach does bloat when I drink it. Sorry for the long

story

but thought it important.

ej

[Guest guest]

Hello, I'm Pamela!

Thanks so much everybody, esp. Moira, ej and Ludwin for the info.

Regarding the beverage (lemon juice, maple syrup, pinch of cayenne etc.) to

be consumed during a fast, can a person whose battling candidiasis consume

the maple syrup? I'm not totally sure I have candidiasis, however since I've

consumed so many sweets in my life and I'm REALLY battling trying to break

the habit, I probably do have it.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any information about natural remedies for pituitary adenomas?

(benign tumors.)

Aquarius

[Guest guest]

You might consider looking into Essiac tea. I am reading "I Was Canada's Cancer Nurse - The Story of ESSIAC Tea" by Rene M. Caisse, R.N.

I also carry a book item #B30 "ESSIAC REPORT, THE BY: RICHARD THOMAS" Retails for $19.95 I sell it for $15.00

I sell several brands of Essiac:

I sell Dr. s' Essiac Item #DR44052 ESSIAC 16 OZ. CUT Retails for $30.95 I sell it for $23.25

I also sell Rene Caisse's original formula from ESSIAC INTERNATIONAL Item #EC1 ESSIAC TEA 1.5 OZ. PWDR. It retails for $39.95 I sell it for $30.00

These are just some suggestions that you might find helpful.

~Karma karma@...http://loaves-n-fishes.com

Re: fasting

Does anyone have any information about natural remedies for pituitary adenomas? (benign tumors.)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/24/2000 12:42:10 PM Central Daylight Time,

pta00244@... writes:

<< The next morning I

was so nauseous I couldn't eat at all. I drank about 4 oz of

carrot/celery juice again and tried some clear homemade chicken broth,

but the nausea held on tight. During the 3 days I did lemon juice enemas

and took milk thistle extract to help cleanse the liver. Also did a

coffee enema the first day, but didn't like the effects of that. I don't

empty enemas very well for some reason. >>

************************************************

I was very sick in '94, '95. I have already put my story here a couple of

times

so won't go into that. But when I juiced and did those things, I too became

very sick. My liver was toxic and I would throw up etc.

Later after listening to Charlotte Gerson tapes, I found that all toxic people

are effected to some degree. Peppermint tea is the answer until you

are ready to hit it again. I have missed up to 5 days of work just lying

in the bed wondering if I had enough energy to make it to the bathroom.

ej

[Guest guest]

Suz - suggest you read a good book such as Cleanse and Purify Thyself, or

other similar books, so that you can do a better cleanse. It's not as simple

as it sounds, and there are many angles to look at, e.g. you alkaline vs.

acid levels. There are many preparations you can make to have a more

successful and healthful cleansing experience.

Best regards, Kathy Ingham

In a message dated 9/24/00 1:41:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pta00244@... writes:

> Hi,

> I just joined this group recently, and I need encouragement and advice.

> My dr. (alternative, but MD) suggested I go on a 2-3 day fast, followed

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/14/2000 9:34:21 AM Central Standard Time,

sarahash@... writes:

<< And how is a safe way to start fasting ? I can't drink water,gives me

heartburn bad.Well Welcome all suggestions,I'm getting in really bad shape

here,my arms are so weak I can hardly type. Sorry for the long letter,but I

really do need help.

Thank You all so much for having a list like this.

Carol.

>>

______________

Dear Carol,

You have really had a bad go of it!! Are you aware of clinics that treat

terminally ill patients? They do this by giving them live nutrition

in the form of fresh juiced veggies and some fruit juice. Those that are not

so

bad get raw salads also with the juices. Do you have a juicer?

It seems to me you need mega nutrition without the taxing of digestion.

www.hacres.com is a great place to start with knowledge.

I was very sick a few yrs back...lost half of my hair. Sometime I couldn't

get out of bed for days...just to struggle across the hall to the bathroom

was like moving a mountain. I juiced and took barley green and also ate raw,

everything else hurt too badly to eat. It took many months, but to my doctors

amazement, hair grew back and I was back to health. He constantly

urged me to take drugs and eat meat but I wouldn't do either.

My mother-in-law passed away in June from colon cancer that started with

diverticulitis. When shw first became ill a couple yrs before her passing,

she would be weak. I would get her juicing and she would be up and going

in no time...then she would quit and not stick with the good diet. While she

was in the hospital I got a book on this ailment and it all stemmed

from a diet high in sugar, white flour and refined foods. Since this

terrible loss

I have totally revamped my already good diet to an even better one.

Read, read ,read, and juice, juice, juice!!!

To your improving health!!

Edith

[Guest guest]

>I... would like to believe that it

>is possible to fast longer without fighting health problems years later as

>a result. Any educated opinions anyone?

I don't believe you have to weight out the long term to experience

detrimental effects of fasting.

When we fast the body thinks FAMINE! And the metabolism adjusts for the

famine. So when we get off the fast it thinks " better get ready for the next

famine! " Why screw around with your metabolism this way?

Brief cleansing fasts will also have the same effect - but in this case the

short term gains outweigh the costs. But over time, the fast brings

diminishing returns - you're not dumping the same amount of toxins on day 10

as day 1.

IMHO, prolonged fasting, however easy, seems inadvisable for most people.

_________________________________________________________________________

Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at

http://profiles.msn.com.

[Guest guest]

>IMHO, prolonged fasting, however easy, seems inadvisable for most people

So lets see I should not go with the incredible amount of viberence and

strength I have been feeling. I should continue to struggle with high blood

pressure ( gone now with fasting) Acid Reflux (gone now with fasting),

Hietal Hernia (gone now with fasting), sluggishness, ect....ect... ect,,,

Because few people THINK they might know it to be best to use restricted

useless food list and heavy toxic medications. This seems to be the problem

I have lived with all my life. Listening to an unknowable medical advice

instead of what I know is best for my health. Instead I should continue on

the medications that I have been able to stop with fasting and trust them?

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

Not to beat this subject to death, but I wanted to make a few more salient

points about fasting. I may have posted this before, but it is worth

repeating. Fasting has been used for hundreds and hundreds of years by many

thousands of people. I don't think long term fasting is to be feared....I

think it needs to be respected for the honorable place it holds in cleansing

and healing our bodies.

We read in ancient history that fasting has been practiced by the most

ancient of civilizations. They practiced fasting not only for the recovery

of health and preservation of youth, but for spiritual reasons as well.

Hippocrates, Aristotle, Galen, Paracelsus, Plato, Socrates and other great

philosophers, scientists and physicians all promoted and used fasting as a

method of cleansing, healing and renewing the body.

Paracelsus, the great 15th century physician stated " Fasting is the greatest

remedy--the physician within! "

One of Ben lin's many wise sayings included " To lengthen thy life,

lessen thy meals. " and another, " Many dishes, many diseases. "

Plutarch, the Greek philosopher said, " Instead of medicine, fast for a day. "

The Bible itself is full of references to the practice of fasting....

" Yet, even now " , says the Lord, " return to me with all your heart, with

fasting... " 2:12

and we know that Jesus himself fasted and prayed often. I doubt that we

would be commanded to do something that would prove harmful in the end.

For those with a concordance, I suggest looking up the word " fast " or

" fasting " and see the many references to it.

The fasting credo of the famous Buchinger Clinics in Germany and Spain

states, " We must restore fasting to the place it occupied in an ancient

hierachy of values " above medicine. " We must rediscover it and restore it

to honor because it is a necessity. A beneficial fast of several weeks, as

practised in the earliest days of the Church, was to give strength, life and

health to the body and soul of all Christians who had the faith and courage

to practice fasting. "

F. Balch, MD states in the " Prescription for Nutritional Healing " ,

" A fast can help you heal with greater speed; cleanse your liver, kidneys

and colon; purify your blood; help you lose excess weight and water; flush

out toxins; clear the eyes and tongue, and cleanse the breath. "

" Fasting regularly gives your organs a rest and helps reverse the aging

process for a longer and healthier life. "

" Fasting reduces the immune system's workload, increases tissue oxygenation,

and releases and excretes fat-stored toxins. "

Dr. is Carrel, Nobel Prize Winner and author of " Man, the Unknown " ,

states,

" Deprivation of food at first brings a sensation of hunger, occasionally

some nervous stimulation--but it also determines certain hidden phenomena

which are most important. The sugar of the liver and the fat of the

subcutaneous deposits are mobilized, as are the proteins of the muscles and

glands. All the organs sacrifice their own substances in order to maintain

blood, heart, and brain in normal condition. Fasting purifies and

profoundly modifies our tissues. "

Pamela Serure, author of The 3-Day Energy Fast, states, " Periodic fasting

keeps you connected to your body's natural tendency to cleanse and

rejuvenate. "

I have seen and experienced the profound beneficial effects of fasting for

myself.

It is, of course, important that a fast be conducted properly, and that the

most beneficial foods are eaten before and after a fast. These would be the

fresh fruits and vegetables, whole grains and freshly extracted fruit and

vegetable juices that will keep the electrolytes in balance.

It is a fascinating experience, challenging, and well worth the effort.

Patty

[Guest guest]

Bernadette,

Trust your body. It is yours and you know it best. You will know when it is time to break your fast. There is a difference between fasting and starvation. Some people ignore the difference when fasting and cross the line. It sounds like you are right on top of it with your progress.

My father-in-law- just finished up a month long fast due to pressure from family (his wife). He was fasting on only grape juice for the first few weeks, then he added only live food. He was feeling so much better than he had felt in years. His skin looked good, his body looked much healthier too. He wasn't ready to break the fast, yet caved to the pressure of others to eat "normally" He did and within a week, he is having health problems again.

It seems to me from your posts that you will know when it is time to break your fast, it seems you have family support. Your body will tell you when it is done fasting and has moved into the starvation mode. When fasting it has been my experience that there simply is no hunger. When it is time to end the fast, I start getting hungry. My body is telling me it is time to eat again.

~Karma<(©¿©)> http://loaves-n-fishes.comView my current auctions at: http://showcase.auctiva.com/Karma"Spread love everywhere you go: first of all in your own house. Give love to your children, to your wife or husband, to the next door neighbor... Let no one ever come to you without leaving better and happier. Be the living expression of God's kindness; kindness in your face, kindness in your eyes, kindness in your smile, kindness in your warm greeting."~Mother

Re: Re: fasting

>IMHO, prolonged fasting, however easy, seems inadvisable for most peopleSo lets see I should not go with the incredible amount of viberence andstrength I have been feeling. I should continue to struggle with high bloodpressure ( gone now with fasting) Acid Reflux (gone now with fasting),Hietal Hernia (gone now with fasting), sluggishness, ect....ect... ect,,,Because few people THINK they might know it to be best to use restricteduseless food list and heavy toxic medications. This seems to be the problemI have lived with all my life. Listening to an unknowable medical adviceinstead of what I know is best for my health. Instead I should continue onthe medications that I have been able to stop with fasting and trust them?BernadetteSubscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Hi Bernadette & All;

I'm new on the list,I'm Carol 56yr's old.Live

now in Ky.Org. from Indiana.Mother of 4,Grandmother of 12,Greatgrandmother

of 2.My olest child is 38,my youngest is 26.I was very strong and healthy

till about 30 yr's old,it was downhill from there.

Had Fibromyalgia starting in my 20's and diden't know what it was.Have

suffered greatly over the yr's.Trying to work.Always being told there was

nothing wrong with me and that it was all in my head.

18 yr's ago I started going to Dr's. trying to

find out what was wrong I was not sick but very weak 24 x 7 's.I knew

something was very wrong but coulden't put a finger on anything.I went to 8

different Dr's over 3 yr's.Was always told I was as healthy as a 21 yr old

and it was all in my head,I was so weak and down emotionly I could bearly

walk,and would leave thier office crying.At the end of that 3 yr's. My colon

exploded,was in the Hosp. for a wk.they coulden't find what was wrong,they

finally did exploratory surgery.And found what had happened.By this time I

was almost dead.I was in the Hosp. for 30 days flat on my back,3 mg.

surgerys to repair the damage,came home with a bag on my side,was suppose to

have to wear it for 6 mo's.But took high does's of vit. C & E.and got well

in 2 mo's.My Dr. said that I had so many diverticula that he coulden't even

begin to count them,and that they were so bad I would be back within 2 yr's

for more surgery and after that I would have to wear the bag for the rest of

my life.It's been 15 yr's now and I have did good.But I'm going downhill

again,BP is up heart rate is up.Very weak and have been for several mo's

now.Dr's are again going all around this subject.I'm getting no help at all

and it's only time befor I go down again.More money for them.

I have been on here for a couple of days,and see how fasting lowers BP &

all.Thats great,now I need to know,will fasting help clean out the

diverticules ?

And how is a safe way to start fasting ? I can't drink water,gives me

heartburn bad.Well Welcome all suggestions,I'm getting in really bad shape

here,my arms are so weak I can hardly type. Sorry for the long letter,but I

really do need help.

Thank You all so much for having a list like this.

Carol.

Re: Re: fasting

> >IMHO, prolonged fasting, however easy, seems inadvisable for most people

>

> So lets see I should not go with the incredible amount of viberence and

> strength I have been feeling. I should continue to struggle with high

blood

> pressure ( gone now with fasting) Acid Reflux (gone now with fasting),

> Hietal Hernia (gone now with fasting), sluggishness, ect....ect... ect,,,

> Because few people THINK they might know it to be best to use restricted

> useless food list and heavy toxic medications. This seems to be the

problem

> I have lived with all my life. Listening to an unknowable medical advice

> instead of what I know is best for my health. Instead I should continue on

> the medications that I have been able to stop with fasting and trust them?

>

> Bernadette

>

>

>

>

>

> Subscription email:

> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

>,will fasting help clean out the diverticules ? And how is a safe way to

start >fasting ? I can't drink water, gives me heartburn bad.

Hi Carol,

I am so sorry to hear of all the struggles you have had with your colon. It

sounds like your colon needs some healing.

I do think that a fast or series of fasts would be beneficial. Have you

done enemas as well?

I would recommend doing a series of enemas, combined with some very healthy

eating and/or juicing (fibrous foods, fresh fruits and veggies), and then

follow that with a series of fasting periods. It is important to eat the

right foods before a fast, and after a fast. You may want to read some books

on fasting to prepare you, and to have to refer to while on the fast. I

have relied upon Dr. Fuhrman's book " Fasting and Eating for Health " as

well as Dr. Bragg's book " The Miracle of Fasting " .

You will probably want to start out slowly, perhaps fasting for one day per

week initially, and then do longer fasts, such as 3 days, 5 days, and work

up to 7 days. I believe Bragg had a program that was one day a week, 3

days per month, and 7-10 days per season change. Whatever works for

you--just be committed to it, and if you feel good enough to extend it out

to longer periods, you can.

Be knowledgeable about the changes you can expect to feel, and how to break

a fast properly. Understanding what will happen as you go through this

process will take the fear out of it, and lead you to a greater appreciation

for how your body is working to heal itself. Break a fast only with high

water content foods, such as vegetable broths, watermelon, or oranges.

Introduce foods slowly, and keep high fat content foods to a minimum.

As for the water problem, you may find that adding lemon juice to the water

may help--I am not sure, as I have not heard of anyone having a problem with

water before. It may be that you need to change the pH of the water.

Adding the juice of one and a half lemons per quart of water is one recipe

that my naturopath gave me, so you can try that. Another option may be to

add buffered Vitamin C powder, which will alkalize the pH of water.

Let us know if this helps you!

Patty

[Guest guest]

Thank You Edith;

Strangely enough I have always eaten a good

diet.Grew up on a veggie diet,no meat,all fresh from the garden or home

canned.Always whole wheat bread,homemade.Lots of beans growen in our fields

and dryed by us.After leaving home and getting married I had to learn to

cook meats,but have never been a big meat eater.have always muched out on

raw veggies lots of them.My Dr. 15 yr's ago said it was caused by STRESS.

I have had more then my shear of that.

Yes I do have a juicer and going to get it out and dust it off,guess I do

need to go on a juice diet to get clean,I can't take any more of this

feeling so bad but not really sick.I understand what you say all to well

about being so weak and tired you can't go.I'm that way all the time.

Thanks so much, Carol

Re: Re: fasting

> In a message dated 11/14/2000 9:34:21 AM Central Standard Time,

> sarahash@... writes:

>

> << And how is a safe way to start fasting ? I can't drink water,gives me

> heartburn bad.Well Welcome all suggestions,I'm getting in really bad

shape

> here,my arms are so weak I can hardly type. Sorry for the long letter,but

I

> really do need help.

>

> Thank You all so much for having a list like this.

> Carol.

> >>

> ______________

> Dear Carol,

>

> You have really had a bad go of it!! Are you aware of clinics that treat

> terminally ill patients? They do this by giving them live nutrition

> in the form of fresh juiced veggies and some fruit juice. Those that are

not

> so

> bad get raw salads also with the juices. Do you have a juicer?

> It seems to me you need mega nutrition without the taxing of digestion.

> www.hacres.com is a great place to start with knowledge.

>

> I was very sick a few yrs back...lost half of my hair. Sometime I

couldn't

> get out of bed for days...just to struggle across the hall to the bathroom

> was like moving a mountain. I juiced and took barley green and also ate

raw,

> everything else hurt too badly to eat. It took many months, but to my

doctors

> amazement, hair grew back and I was back to health. He constantly

> urged me to take drugs and eat meat but I wouldn't do either.

>

> My mother-in-law passed away in June from colon cancer that started with

> diverticulitis. When shw first became ill a couple yrs before her

passing,

> she would be weak. I would get her juicing and she would be up and going

> in no time...then she would quit and not stick with the good diet. While

she

> was in the hospital I got a book on this ailment and it all stemmed

> from a diet high in sugar, white flour and refined foods. Since this

> terrible loss

> I have totally revamped my already good diet to an even better one.

> Read, read ,read, and juice, juice, juice!!!

>

> To your improving health!!

> Edith

>

>

>

> Subscription email:

> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol:

Do you have any silver (amalgams) filings in your teeth? Crowns, root canals?

You might have mercury or another heavy metal poisoning. If you do, the

first thing to do is get them out with a dentist who specializes in it and

then you have to cleanse yourself internally by fasting, liquid diets, etc.

I will be praying for your health in the next 10 days, at noon (Central S.

Time).

[Guest guest]

Carol, Just thought you might like some added possibilities. We have purchased a colema board and have been using it everyday for about a month now. I can tell you, each time I use it I feel a little better and a little more energetic each day. I no longer feel like if I don't catch a quick cat nap in the middle of the day, I won't survive. Plus, you won't believe what is just sitting in the intestines putting a constant flow of poision in you. My husband is feeling better and better also. Just a thought. Hopes this helps Sherry Re: Re: fasting> In a message dated 11/14/2000 9:34:21 AM Central Standard Time,> sarahash@... writes:>> << And how is a safe way to start fasting ? I can't drink water,gives me> heartburn bad.Well Welcome all suggestions,I'm getting in really badshape> here,my arms are so weak I can hardly type. Sorry for the long letter,butI> really do need help.>> Thank You all so much for having a list like this> Carol.> >>> ______________> Dear Carol,>> You have really had a bad go of it!! Are you aware of clinics that treat> terminally ill patients? They do this by giving them live nutrition> in the form of fresh juiced veggies and some fruit juice. Those that arenot> so> bad get raw salads also with the juices. Do you have a juicer?> It seems to me you need mega nutrition without the taxing of digestion.> www.hacres.com is a great place to start with knowledge.>> I was very sick a few yrs back...lost half of my hair. Sometime Icouldn't> get out of bed for days..just to struggle across the hall to the bathroom> was like moving a mountain. I juiced and took barley green and also ateraw,> everything else hurt too badly to eat. It took many months, but to mydoctors> amazement, hair grew back and I was back to health. He constantly> urged me to take drugs and eat meat but I wouldn't do either.>> My mother-in-law passed away in June from colon cancer that started with> diverticulitis. When shw first became ill a couple yrs before herpassing,> she would be weak. I would get her juicing and she would be up and going> in no time...then she would quit and not stick with the good diet. Whileshe> was in the hospital I got a book on this ailment and it all stemmed> from a diet high in sugar, white flour and refined foods. Since this> terrible loss> I have totally revamped my already good diet to an even better one.> Read, read ,read, and juice, juice, juice!!!>> To your improving health!!> Edith>>>> Subscription email:> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups>

[Guest guest]

Carol, Thanks for joining this list. Here you will receive a lot of love and

support from a group of knowledgeable people that are more then generous in

sharing. I have been on the list for about nine months and my health has

improved substantially and I give the credit to the support from others

here. On fasting please study a lot before you start. Breaking the fast is

most important. Start with short fast, developing on learning how to fast.

You will find healing when you can do a long term juice and water fast. You

will be able to drink water again. You need water badly. I strongly suggest

you read the book " Your Body's Many Cries For Water " . This is an

instrumental reading along with the books already suggested on fasting.

Best Wishes,

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

> Thank You Edith;

> Strangely enough I have always eaten a good

> diet.Grew up on a veggie diet,no meat,all fresh from the garden or home

> canned.Always whole wheat bread,homemade.Lots of beans growen in our

fields

> and dryed by us.

Due to this I also suggest a book called " Raw Foods Propaganda " . This

person also ate healthy and was always sick until he switched to raw foods.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/15/2000 6:40:53 AM Central Standard Time,

amal__@... writes:

<< Hi Bernadette,

I am interested in juice fasting and am convinced that it is beneficial to

one's health but how does one go about it if they work outside the home.

From what I understand everything should be freshly juiced and drunk

immediately so it can be beneficial. Can I juice vegetables and juices and

fill up a thermos and take it to work? Surely ready made juices in cartons

are

harmful.

Can you please advicse me on that.

Thank you

Amal >>

____________

In support of Bernadette I would like to repeat what I have posted many times:

In '95 I was very ill, loosing hair by the handfuls, and in much pain. I was

under the care of a specialist. The drugs I was given almost wiped me

off the earth. I had sense enough to quit drugs and start juicing and taking

many

Tablespoons of barley green. Changed doctors becaused I worked in

a factory and needed an excuse from MD when off 3 days...which I was

many times. I juiced 1 qt of carrot/allpe juice each morning, put in 8oz

containers and in a small ice chest type lunch box. Put barleygreen in

separate small containers and dumped in juice before drinking.

My MD thought the juicing etc was a wonderful idea and thought all

people would profit from that but wanted me to do other things that I

didn't think was good for me, so I didn't. It took many

months but the last time I saw him just for a check-up, he couldn't

believe how heathy I was and that all of my hair had grown back. When

I first started seeing him, he told me that he had never seen people

regrow their hair and not to expect that.

I will say that I did eat when I could but was having such digestive problems,

it was very hard to eat anything but the juice never bothered digestion so

stuck to it mostly and lost mega pounds!!

Edith

[Guest guest]

Bernadette, If you are talking to me about the colemas, yes. I have lost 25 lbs and my husband 30. A lot is coming out, but so far no ropies. A lot of very old stuff. And a lot of very strange stuff. I am a master herbalist studying to be a naturopath and am in contact with a very good naturalpath in Florida which helps me with clients with problems I have not yet dealt with. As this is my first time using a colema board, I consulted with her as she has a lot of experience with herself as well as with her clients. I am following her advise almost to the letter except for the amount of times a day. My schedule does not allow it right now. One of the most interesting things is the look and shape of the stuff coming out. Its unbelievable how much stuff has been sitting in there rotting and poisoning me. My stomach has shrunk back down to about 1/4 the size it was! I feel much, much better and my energy level has increased dramatically. My thought process is much clearer and my attitude is better. My skin is getting softer and looking much better. I have a very bad lower back due to a break that healed wrong (didn't know I broke it), and It have felt 98%better. Was going to chiropractor 3 times a week, now down to once every two or three weeks. Am getting out toxins like crazy (had some side effects from the cleansing), but even that is going really quick. I would recommend this to everyone! Sherry Re: Re: fasting Sherry, Are you monitoring what you are losing? Are you seeing a lot come out. Bernadette Subscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

I suppose the real benefits of fasting will come in six months time. When it is broken properly and new eating patterns, carefully monitored are instilled. However I would like to list here my symptoms before and during my present fast.

1. Swollen Tonsils, suggested removal by Physician..... Now gone

2. Swollen and infected adenoids, also to be removed............healed

3. Acid Reflux..........healed

4. Hernia.........healed

5. Multi Nodular Goiter with sharp shooting pains in my neck.............. shrunk, can't feel it any more and I have not had shooting pains in two weeks.

6. High Blood pressure...........now 68/112

This is why I am not ready to stop. I am doing very well and I am physically stronger then I have been in years.

Warning fasting takes experience and wisdom.

Best wishes,

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

Hi Bernadette,

I am interested in juice fasting and am convinced that it is beneficial to

one's health but how does one go about it if they work outside the home.

From what I understand everything should be freshly juiced and drunk

immediately so it can be beneficial. Can I juice vegetables and juices and

fill up a thermos and take it to work? Surely ready made juices in cartons

are

harmful.

Can you please advicse me on that.

Thank you

Amal

>From: <abrs@...>

>Reply-bowel cleanseegroups

><bowel cleanseegroups>

>Subject: Re: Re: fasting

>Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:08:36 -0500

>

>

> I suppose the real benefits of fasting will come in six months time.

>When it is broken properly and new eating patterns, carefully monitored are

>instilled. However I would like to list here my symptoms before and during

>my present fast.

>

>

> 1. Swollen Tonsils, suggested removal by Physician..... Now gone

> 2. Swollen and infected adenoids, also to be removed............healed

> 3. Acid Reflux..........healed

> 4. Hernia.........healed

> 5. Multi Nodular Goiter with sharp shooting pains in my

>neck.............. shrunk, can't feel it any more and I have not had

>shooting pains in two weeks.

> 6. High Blood pressure...........now 68/112

>

> This is why I am not ready to stop. I am doing very well and I am

>physically stronger then I have been in years.

>

> Warning fasting takes experience and wisdom.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bernadette

_________________________________________________________________________

Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at

http://profiles.msn.com.

[Guest guest]

Bernadette,

Maybe you should consider a series of fasts, they are equally beneficial. You are planning on doing this for 6 months? I don't understand where you are getting your information.

Things that can go wrong with an extended "fast" are far worse then you can imagine. Your body may not process food properly. Imagine the problem associated with that. Come on everyone we are on a bowel cleanse list we all know the repercussions of that. Do you plan on eating baby food for 2 months? Were is the research that tells you how to break an extended fast? The scary thing... there could be young people reading this. I don't understand this way of thinking. *IF* you are properly supplementing nutrition (no book on that yet either), the fact is you are telling your body that it doesn't have to process solid foods...for how long??? You think it will pick up when you want it to? Wrong! I'm not surprised that people on the bowel cleanse list have fasted for extended periods of time. That is why I have to cleanse my bowels and try to get them running properly. Now I see an email asking Bernadette for advice on how to fast. Amal, please ask for her qualifications. This is YOUR health...start small.

I'm sorry if this upsets people but this certainly upsets me. I would like others who think a fast for 30+ days is negative to speak up. This seems to be turning into advice "people want to hear", with no substantial backing up.

Sure, Bernadette...the dizzy spells are the healing process... you go girl... feeling exhilarated? Your body is healing!!! This is what your telling her. I shake my head and finger.... What makes her supporters qualified? "I did it too" does not convince me of an expert. Guess what...I did it too, with juice and breaking it with fruit (heaven forbid I ate anything else!). Point is you program your body to NOT digest solids. That is where the energy comes from...your body stops using and storing for solid food digestion. Smart???

Kim

From: abrs@...

bowel cleanseegroups

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:08 AM

Subject: Re: Re: fasting

I suppose the real benefits of fasting will come in six months time. When it is broken properly and new eating patterns, carefully monitored are instilled. However I would like to list here my symptoms before and during my present fast.

1. Swollen Tonsils, suggested removal by Physician..... Now gone

2. Swollen and infected adenoids, also to be removed............healed

3. Acid Reflux..........healed

4. Hernia.........healed

5. Multi Nodular Goiter with sharp shooting pains in my neck.............. shrunk, can't feel it any more and I have not had shooting pains in two weeks.

6. High Blood pressure...........now 68/112

This is why I am not ready to stop. I am doing very well and I am physically stronger then I have been in years.

Warning fasting takes experience and wisdom.

Best wishes,

BernadetteSubscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Edith,

No one is saying that fasting is not beneficial, just how long. What is the

longest period you went without food?

I'm so glad that you were able to cure yourself!

Blessings,

Kim

> In support of Bernadette I would like to repeat what I have posted many

times:

>

> In '95 I was very ill, loosing hair by the handfuls, and in much pain. I

was

> under the care of a specialist. The drugs I was given almost wiped me

> off the earth. I had sense enough to quit drugs and start juicing and

taking

> many

> Tablespoons of barley green. Changed doctors becaused I worked in

> a factory and needed an excuse from MD when off 3 days...which I was

> many times. I juiced 1 qt of carrot/allpe juice each morning, put in 8oz

> containers and in a small ice chest type lunch box. Put barleygreen in

> separate small containers and dumped in juice before drinking.

>

> My MD thought the juicing etc was a wonderful idea and thought all

> people would profit from that but wanted me to do other things that I

> didn't think was good for me, so I didn't. It took many

> months but the last time I saw him just for a check-up, he couldn't

> believe how heathy I was and that all of my hair had grown back. When

> I first started seeing him, he told me that he had never seen people

> regrow their hair and not to expect that.

>

> I will say that I did eat when I could but was having such digestive

problems,

> it was very hard to eat anything but the juice never bothered digestion so

> stuck to it mostly and lost mega pounds!!

>

> Edith

>

[Guest guest]

I am interested in juice fasting and am convinced that it is beneficial to

> one's health but how does one go about it if they work outside the home.

> From what I understand everything should be freshly juiced and drunk

> immediately so it can be beneficial. Can I juice vegetables and juices and

> fill up a thermos and take it to work?

Although not the most desireable way to drink juices, yes, you can.

Surely ready made juices in cartons

> are

> harmful.

Not necessarily harmful if they are organic, just worthless in terms of

being " full of life " . All pasteurized juices are dead--all the life-giving

enzymes have been killed.

Patty