Fasting

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> Chet day has a good 21 day program that allows some eating.

> can be downloaded at chetday.com

> Hi there,

I'm having problems with chetday.com. Please do you have another web address.

Also thanks to Bob for his e-mail and glimmer of hope for me. I've just become

a grandmother again so I

really do need to get fit and a young 44yrs.

love sam

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In a message dated 08/27/2000 1:01:49 PM Central Daylight Time,

kanda@... writes:

<< Take care in doing a fast. Especially if you're fasting for the first

time, consider going to a naturopath (or other professional) who is

experienced in helping people with fasts. I have hypoglycemia and because

of this have never done a fast. My body can't tolerate juice, vegetable or

fruit, and can't keep the blood sugar levels even without food. If you

have any kind of blood sugar imbalance it is especially important to work

with a professional if you're going to do a fast. >>

_________________________

At the seminar on good health and enzymes, he addressed 4 health

maladies and they were allergies, hypoglycemia, pms and osteoperosis.

He said each were caused by the same thing....body's inability to

obtain protein. I just received a note saying the videos were ready.

The lecture is on 2 tapes. This info is outstanding. cost $15.00

plus $3.00 postage. can be obtained at 903-797-6736.

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ejohns9525@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 08/27/2000 1:01:49 PM Central Daylight Time,

> kanda@... writes:

>

> << Take care in doing a fast. Especially if you're fasting for the first

> time, consider going to a naturopath (or other professional) who is

> experienced in helping people with fasts. I have hypoglycemia and because

> of this have never done a fast. My body can't tolerate juice, vegetable or

> fruit, and can't keep the blood sugar levels even without food. If you

> have any kind of blood sugar imbalance it is especially important to work

> with a professional if you're going to do a fast. >>

> _________________________

>

> At the seminar on good health and enzymes, he addressed 4 health

> maladies and they were allergies, hypoglycemia, pms and osteoperosis.

> He said each were caused by the same thing....body's inability to

> obtain protein. I just received a note saying the videos were ready.

> The lecture is on 2 tapes. This info is outstanding. cost $15.00

> plus $3.00 postage. can be obtained at 903-797-6736.

>

Does he say what to do about it or just what the cause is?

Thanks,

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In a message dated 08/28/2000 11:07:03 AM Central Daylight Time,

kanda@... writes:

<< Does he say what to do about it or just what the cause is?

Thanks,

>>

________________

Yes,

Take enzymes because our foood has none in them if they are cooked

or if irradiated which they are. Really it's worth the 18 bucks to hear

this stuff. I have no monetary interest in this ....just trying to educate.

He goes into how we should be born with x amount but if your mom

was insufficient...your worse.

ej

[Guest guest]

I fast often, and just ended a 5 day juice fast. My husband a five day grape

and juice fast. Appetite kicks in a few days. Strength is good the whole

time. Occasional headache from coffee withdrawal or cleansing. Lasting

benefits, unbelievable. He has been suffering greatly with Osteoarthritis

and has been in need of surgery. Since fasting he has greatly improved to

the point of normal activity and needs no surgery. He is working up to a 2

week juice fast, combined with a one week total fast. When fasting make sure

your bowels are moving or you will get sick, and the proper breaking of a

fast is most important. This is the only precaution, except it is best if

you do not take vitamins while fasting. Start with a 1/2 day fast, move up

to a whole day, then two, then three, and upwards.

Fasting

>

> I'm intimidated by the thought of not eating for a few days. How does one

> handle hunger during this time? What do you do for nourishment?

>

> a

>

>

>

> Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

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n a message dated 09/18/2000 6:01:03 PM Central Daylight Time,

harriott@... writes:

<< Hello,

I've read some of Schulze's writings before, and made an attempt a couple of

times to follow at the least morning juice routine.

I still have a couple of questions:

If I want to get the corrective formula # 1 capsules and #2 powder how do I

go about it? Also, some of the information suggests drinking kidney/bladder

tea or detoxification tea? Where do I get those? Can these items be

purchased in your local health food store? Or is there a link at the site

that I didn't notice? >>

********************

You can't but his stuff in stores BUT he is having a really good special now.

I just ordered mine today. Call 1-800-437-2362 and ask them to send you

his sept, 2000 booklet. It goes into exact detail on what to do, plus has

the special prices in it and if you order before

oct 31, he'll send his 12 health issues free.

ej

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I've read some of Schulze's writings before, and made an attempt a couple of

times to follow at the least morning juice routine.

I still have a couple of questions:

If I want to get the corrective formula # 1 capsules and #2 powder how do I

go about it? Also, some of the information suggests drinking kidney/bladder

tea or detoxification tea? Where do I get those? Can these items be

purchased in your local health food store? Or is there a link at the site

that I didn't notice?

Hope someone can response to this message. Thanks in advance for your

reply.

Pamela

[Guest guest]

Hi Suz!

I am new to the list and also I am quite new to fasting but I managed to do a

ten day liquid diet with wonderful results! The first two days were the

hardest ones, but then I had so much energy that I even cleared most of my

house of " clutter " (to the delight of my husband). I had gained some 20

pounds since December; I lost 13 pounds which probably is not good for you,

but you might not lose so much weight...My skin cleared from acne, and pain

in my joints went away.

I did the cleansing for the pain in the joints mainly. According to Dr.

Airola the broth I took in the morning had 3 medium potatoes, 1 cup of

carrots and one cup of celery with 6 cups of water; once the water boiled you

lower the flame and let it steam for 30 minutes. At the end you add some

green (parsley, dandelion, etc.) and since I love herbs I added some rosemary

and thyme. For lunch it was a glass of fruit juice done in the juicer

(apple, pineapple, or any mixture of fruits except melons) and for dinner it

was a big glass of carrot-celery juice. It was the most delicious experience

and I was never hungry! Get well and have a wonderful fast!

(Austin, TX)

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I forgot to tell you that I discovered the best way to empty completely the

water from the enema and it was by laying on the floor and putting my feet on

a machine I got last year called Chi-Machine. It is a massager that moves

your feet in a certain way that the whole body undulates. In 5 or 10 seconds

I had a BM even when it seemed I had not water from the enema at all! The

machine is expensive though (US$ 350 after the discount I get) but you might

find something like it or maybe running around the block or jumping rope will

do the trick? I don't know...

[Guest guest]

I just started a fast today for the first time ever and I need encouragement in

a bad way. My dr. told me to do a 2-3 day water fast, a minimum of one day,

and then to eat raw vegies for

the next 6-7 days. I am prone to hypoglycemia, and only weigh 93 lbs to start

with, so I made a vegie broth from carrots, celery, green beans, and beet tops

and drank a cup several times

today. I also took Spirulina capsules along with my other vitamins and hormones.

(My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a lemon juice enema, followed

by a coffee enema, which

cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty an enema, so

I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there. It's even worse while not

eating (colon not emptying),

so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the colon to

empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which day do you usually

feel the worst, the second or third

day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food allergies. I've

been eating healthy and doing herbs and other alternative healing for years, so

this is a desperate attempt to

do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to hear from the

rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea. Thanks!

suz

[Guest guest]

Hi Suz,

I have done numerous fasts of different types, (water only, lemon

juice/maple syrup/cayenne, and freshly extracted juices) for between 1 and

14 days, so I am familiar with your concerns. I heartily recommend fasting

as an excellent remedy for all kinds of ills, and find that a 3 day fast can

perk me up like nothing else can to make me feel clean inside.

I always feel worse on the second day. By the middle of the second day,

things start to pick up greatly, and by the 3rd day I feel so good, I am not

even aware that I am on a fast. (I wrecked my last fast a couple of

weekends ago when we went to an apple orchard to let the kids pick apples

and I totally forgot and decided to sample the goods while we were

picking....I was slapping myself for forgetting! I NEVER break a fast with

apples!)

Be encouraged--you will begin to feel good soon! I am not hypoglycemic, so

I can't address those issues, but I do have an opinion on the vitamins. I

don't think it is recommended to take supplements while on a fast,

especially if they are synthetic at all. The whole purpose of a fast is to

let your digestive organs take a rest and let the body utilize extracellular

bodily debris for energy and to cleanse. The taking of supplements will not

allow the liver or other organs to take that very necessary break. Your

body does have a store of nutrients that it can utilize during a period of

fasting, so supplementation is not necessary, and actually not recommended.

It may actually interfere with the cleansing process.

As for the enemas, I can only suggest that you start out lying on your back,

then roll to your right side, knees to chest, and then make sure you spend

enough time relaxing as you try to empty your bowels. You should have some

strong peristaltic motions. If you don't have the motions, then your bowel

needs time to repair and regain the muscle tone to produce peristalsis.

I also want to suggest that when you do break the fast using raw vegetables,

make sure they are high water content foods. Usually watermelon or oranges

are suggested, but if you want to do a vegetable, something like steamed

zucchini is a good choice. You don't want something too harsh on your

system, as the digestive system has to " get rolling " again, and to produce

the digestive enzymes necessary to utilize the food.

You may want to take some of this time during a fast to read about

fasting...and become well acquainted with this very important therapy that

has been used for thousands of years. Dr. Fuhrman has an excellent

book out (Fasting and Eating for Health) as does Bragg (The Miracle of

Fasting).

Good luck.

Patty

*************************

> I just started a fast today for the first time ever and I need

encouragement in a bad way. My dr. told me to do a 2-3 day water fast, a

minimum of one day, and then to eat raw vegies for

> the next 6-7 days. I am prone to hypoglycemia, and only weigh 93 lbs to

start with, so I made a vegie broth from carrots, celery, green beans, and

beet tops and drank a cup several times

> today. I also took Spirulina capsules along with my other vitamins and

hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a lemon juice

enema, followed by a coffee enema, which

> cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty an

enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there. It's even

worse while not eating (colon not emptying),

> so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

>

> Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the colon

to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which day do you

usually feel the worst, the second or third

> day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food allergies.

I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other alternative healing for

years, so this is a desperate attempt to

> do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to hear

from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea. Thanks!

> suz

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I'm sorry to hear of your discomfort in not being able to feel a competition to the process of an enema. I don't really think there is a truly complete one because even with colonics there are liver dumps that may occur after the treatment is over, and this tends to cause a nauseous sensation when the toxins may start to be reabsorbed in the colon. However, with an enema there could be the problem of not having good clean water too. Because of the potential of bacteria in the water supplies and especially the hot water supply there can be problems arising from the water not being pure enought. Enemas, colemas, and colonics should always be done using clean water which is free of bacteria and chemicals as these can be a reason for discomfort.

The addition of sea salt to the water is one way some have found to reduce the absorption of the extra water in the colon. If you decide to try this just add one or table spoon to a two quart bag. When the water is salty it doesn't tend to be absorbed and then there isn't the tendency to feel a great discomfort.

I personally feel some discomfort, even having used clean water, for about the first two hours after either an enema or colonic. It's usually quite mild, so it doesn't bother me all that much.

You may also try laying on the left side to allow the water to settle more quickly to the descending side of the colon.

DaleDa_@...

Re: fasting

I just started a fast today for the first time ever and I need encouragement in a bad way. My dr. told me to do a 2-3 day water fast, a minimum of one day, and then to eat raw vegies forthe next 6-7 days. I am prone to hypoglycemia, and only weigh 93 lbs to start with, so I made a vegie broth from carrots, celery, green beans, and beet tops and drank a cup several timestoday. I also took Spirulina capsules along with my other vitamins and hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a lemon juice enema, followed by a coffee enema, whichcleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty an enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there. It's even worse while not eating (colon not emptying),so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the colon to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which day do you usually feel the worst, the second or thirdday? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food allergies. I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other alternative healing for years, so this is a desperate attempt todo what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to hear from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea. Thanks!suzSubscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

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There is something I want to share with you and

all friends here before I answer your question. It is about my

experience during the last vacation in Bulgaria. It

is a small country between Greece, Roumania and Yugoslavia. The climat

is warm, people too, there are plenty of beautiful high mountains.

Take a look at the photo-gallery http://bulgaria.n3.net

Almost everybody grows his own food. The difference between our,

american grown food and theirs is huge. Nothing can be compared to the

deep sweet taste of those home grown tomatoes! Look here

http://bulgaria.n3.net/graphics/veggiesCU.jpg Here I should mention

that the biggest number of longest living people in Europe are in

Bulgaria. When I buy peaches, melons or grape from the market

there, the fragnance fills up the whole house! (I can hardly feel

any taste at all in those from our local fruit store) I can bet that

not only the taste but the vitality and mineral/vitamin content on

these fruits is much higher than ours, in America. Needless to say

that with all the abundance of fruits and vegetables I did not even

think of cooked food. But what was really shocking to me is that just

a week after my arrival there, while enjoying fresh air in the

mountains, eating fresh fruits and vegetables, all kind of physical

problems (numbness of the feet and hands, kidney infections, bowel

problems) simply started disappearing! I've been dealing for years

with these problems, armed with all my knowledge and patience, keeping

strictly to the protocols of Hulda, Bernard Jensen and

. I use digestive enzymes, the best brand vitamins (as

recommended by Hulda), liquid minerals, bowel flora, zapper, enemas,

eat planty of fruits and vegetables, vitamin C powder ... you name it.

But the miracle could not happen before I switched to NORMAL

environment in Bulgaria, with NORMAL, rich of vital force, vitamins

and minerals food! The truth is been so close to me -- we do

not need all these complications -- vitamins, minerals, enzymes,

hormones... All we need is to live NORMAL live, as we were initially

created, in a normal environment. For the rest Nature takes care. It

was a real miracle to discover that. So at the end of the third week,

my hands and feet were warm and sensitive again, the urine became

crystal clear, the tongue had no white film on it and I started having

2-3 BM per day. Not to mention the feeling of joy and love that filled

me up. What more can I say?

About the question you ask below:

1. I personally try to do some exercies like rolling around on the

ground, lie on my left and right side, even stand in a vertical

position with my head pointing down. This way I let the watter flow

back into the colon.

2. When you sit (squat) massage your lower abdomen to help the water

flow back into the colon. Stay in this position and wait for the next

portion of water to come. Walking around or standing straight might

desturb this process.

3. Use cool water. Warm water relaxes the colon and does not promote

good elimination.

4. Sitting is never been a natural position for eliminating. The

sitting toilets have been invented by a lazy king. As with everything

else, they have been FORCED to us by the system that replaced herbs

with drugs. The practice and researches show that elimination is

complete only in a natural squat position. This could be one of the

factors why people in Bulgaria and other " developing " countries are

healthier than here, in America. (they still use the old style

toilets)

Hope this long answer helps :-)

Ludmil

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and hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a

lemon juice enema, followed by a coffee enema, which

> cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty

an enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there.

It's even worse while not eating (colon not emptying),

> so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

>

> Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the

colon to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which

day do you usually feel the worst, the second or third

> day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food

allergies. I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other

alternative healing for years, so this is a desperate attempt to

> do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to

hear from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea.

Thanks!

> suz

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In a message dated 09/21/2000 10:52:13 PM Central Daylight Time,

faussettdp@... writes:

<< Be encouraged--you will begin to feel good soon! I am not hypoglycemic, so

I can't address those issues, but I do have an opinion on the vitamins. I

don't think it is recommended to take supplements while on a fast,

especially if they are synthetic at all. >>

**************

I not hypoglycemic either, but doesn't flax seed oil in the juice slow

down the sugar effect? I think I read that some where.

I think Schulze recommends using his super food during a fast

which is loaded in vit and minerals.

ej

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In a message dated 09/21/2000 10:52:21 PM Central Daylight Time,

faussettdp@... writes:

> I am prone to hypoglycemia, and only weigh 93 lbs to

> start with,

Hi, I am too-

I was able to do a successful 40hr day fast of water only but I continued to

take inositol which has helped me tremendously with blood sugar levels. I

have been taking it (1500mg in am) for about 2 months and I do not have the

blood sugar rises and drops that I used too. That was the only thing that I

continued to take while on my fast and I was very comfortable. My goal is to

do a 72hr one next I was told by a few people of the dangers of fasting

with hypoglycemia and a sugar coma so although I feel that I am borderline,

if I feel the dizzy coming on and it is making me nervous, then I listen to

my body and take a sip of oj.

hope this helps,

-sunny

pcoHOLISTIC

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In a message dated 09/22/2000 9:08:48 AM Central Daylight Time,

faussettdp@... writes:

<< > I not hypoglycemic either, but doesn't flax seed oil in the juice slow

> down the sugar effect? I think I read that some where.

> I think Schulze recommends using his super food during a fast

> which is loaded in vit and minerals.

Dr. Schulze may have a vested interest in selling his product--is that

possible? Here is what Dr. Fuhrman writes in his book, Fasting and Eating

for Health on this subject: >>

*****************

I did go back over his book after I posted the above because I was going to

the store to buy for the 5 day liver flush and fast. He did not say in that

section anything about his super food but was in the section for cancer.

But on that note that you bring out, what are juices if not vit, min, and

enzymes?

I always add green powders or his supper fod to my carrot juice...seems

to cut the sweetness and for added nutrition.

ej

[Guest guest]

Oh, it is good for not being hungry.

I believe, someone correct me if I am wrong, it is.

Fresh lemon juice 2TBLS

Organic Maple Syrup 2TBLS

6oz pure water

Pinch of Cayenne

Drink and enjoy. Have about 6 six glasses a day.

Re: fasting

>

>

> >

> > Hi Suz,

> > I have done numerous fasts of different types, (water only, lemon

> > juice/maple syrup/cayenne, and freshly extracted juices) for between 1

and

> > 14 days, so I am familiar with your concerns. I heartily recommend

> fasting

> > as an excellent remedy for all kinds of ills, and find that a 3 day fast

> can

> > perk me up like nothing else can to make me feel clean inside.

> >

> > I always feel worse on the second day. By the middle of the second day,

> > things start to pick up greatly, and by the 3rd day I feel so good, I am

> not

> > even aware that I am on a fast. (I wrecked my last fast a couple of

> > weekends ago when we went to an apple orchard to let the kids pick

apples

> > and I totally forgot and decided to sample the goods while we were

> > picking....I was slapping myself for forgetting! I NEVER break a fast

> with

> > apples!)

> >

> > Be encouraged--you will begin to feel good soon! I am not hypoglycemic,

> so

> > I can't address those issues, but I do have an opinion on the vitamins.

I

> > don't think it is recommended to take supplements while on a fast,

> > especially if they are synthetic at all. The whole purpose of a fast is

> to

> > let your digestive organs take a rest and let the body utilize

> extracellular

> > bodily debris for energy and to cleanse. The taking of supplements will

> not

> > allow the liver or other organs to take that very necessary break. Your

> > body does have a store of nutrients that it can utilize during a period

of

> > fasting, so supplementation is not necessary, and actually not

> recommended.

> > It may actually interfere with the cleansing process.

> >

> > As for the enemas, I can only suggest that you start out lying on your

> back,

> > then roll to your right side, knees to chest, and then make sure you

> spend

> > enough time relaxing as you try to empty your bowels. You should have

some

> > strong peristaltic motions. If you don't have the motions, then your

> bowel

> > needs time to repair and regain the muscle tone to produce peristalsis.

> >

> > I also want to suggest that when you do break the fast using raw

> vegetables,

> > make sure they are high water content foods. Usually watermelon or

oranges

> > are suggested, but if you want to do a vegetable, something like steamed

> > zucchini is a good choice. You don't want something too harsh on your

> > system, as the digestive system has to " get rolling " again, and to

produce

> > the digestive enzymes necessary to utilize the food.

> >

> > You may want to take some of this time during a fast to read about

> > fasting...and become well acquainted with this very important therapy

that

> > has been used for thousands of years. Dr. Fuhrman has an

excellent

> > book out (Fasting and Eating for Health) as does Bragg (The Miracle

> of

> > Fasting).

> >

> > Good luck.

> > Patty

> >

> > *************************

> > > I just started a fast today for the first time ever and I need

> > encouragement in a bad way. My dr. told me to do a 2-3 day water fast,

a

> > minimum of one day, and then to eat raw vegies for

> > > the next 6-7 days. I am prone to hypoglycemia, and only weigh 93 lbs

to

> > start with, so I made a vegie broth from carrots, celery, green beans,

and

> > beet tops and drank a cup several times

> > > today. I also took Spirulina capsules along with my other vitamins and

> > hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a lemon

> juice

> > enema, followed by a coffee enema, which

> > > cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty an

> > enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there. It's

even

> > worse while not eating (colon not emptying),

> > > so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

> > >

> > > Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the

colon

> > to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which day do

you

> > usually feel the worst, the second or third

> > > day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food

allergies.

> > I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other alternative healing

for

> > years, so this is a desperate attempt to

> > > do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to hear

> > from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea. Thanks!

> > > suz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

> >

[Guest guest]

> I not hypoglycemic either, but doesn't flax seed oil in the juice slow

> down the sugar effect? I think I read that some where.

> I think Schulze recommends using his super food during a fast

> which is loaded in vit and minerals.

Dr. Schulze may have a vested interest in selling his product--is that

possible? Here is what Dr. Fuhrman writes in his book, Fasting and Eating

for Health on this subject:

" Vitamins are not generally required because within the body's cells are

adequate reserves of protein, fat, minerals, and vitamins that can be called

upon during periods of famine, food scarcity, or fasting. Even in prolonged

fasts (those lasting from 20 to 40 days) no deficiency diseases develop,

illustrating that the body has the innate ability to utilize its stored

reserves in a highly exacting and balanced manner. Today, with modern

laboratory tests available, it is simple to check the blood for levels of

every vitamin and mineral, as well as for electrolytes and other essential

factors. Interestingly, these levels of vitamins and minerals are

exceedingly stable during the fast and, if normal to begin with, remain

normal throughout the period of fasting. "

and again,

" Vitamin deficiency attributed to fasting is exceedingly rare. It normally

doesn't occur on fasts less than 45 days in length unless the individual was

depleted at the onset of the fast. Taking vitamins during a fast is

unnecessary and can create unpleasant symptoms.

Many of the physicians who have fasted patients and reported their findings

in the medical literature have given vitamins during the fast. However,

there is no evidence that this in any way increases the safety of the fast.

During a total fast the gastrointestinal tract is better not disturbed with

vitamin supplementation.

Sufficient vitamins, minerals, and macronutrients are released in

appropriate proportions from tissue stores during the fast. Other

physicians than myself who have fasted thousands of patients do not find

vitamins of any value during this period. This is confirmed by the

observations of other researchers, who noted that vitamin deficiency due to

involuntary fasting was very rare among famished populations during World

War II, and reported only problems from vitamin supplementation during

fasting.

The body's own vitamin reserve more than meets the body's requirements while

on a moderate-length fast. It has been proposed that fasting increases the

ability of the tissues to absorb and utilize nutrients. From my

experiences, it is clear that we need not worry about the issue of vitamins

in a fast of moderate length. I have found that the results of blood tests

for vitamin and mineral levels change little during the fast; tests are

expensive and unnecessary. "

There is nothing in his exhaustive book about the use of flaxseed oil to

sustain any effect on blood sugar levels.

Patty

[Guest guest]

Ludmil: I checked out your pictures - they are indeed beautiful!!! I also

saw a picture of you - you look so young! At what age did you develop all

these health issues and to what do you attribute them to?

Re: fasting

>

> There is something I want to share with you and

> all friends here before I answer your question. It is about my

> experience during the last vacation in Bulgaria. It

> is a small country between Greece, Roumania and Yugoslavia. The climat

> is warm, people too, there are plenty of beautiful high mountains.

> Take a look at the photo-gallery http://bulgaria.n3.net

> Almost everybody grows his own food. The difference between our,

> american grown food and theirs is huge. Nothing can be compared to the

> deep sweet taste of those home grown tomatoes! Look here

> http://bulgaria.n3.net/graphics/veggiesCU.jpg Here I should mention

> that the biggest number of longest living people in Europe are in

> Bulgaria. When I buy peaches, melons or grape from the market

> there, the fragnance fills up the whole house! (I can hardly feel

> any taste at all in those from our local fruit store) I can bet that

> not only the taste but the vitality and mineral/vitamin content on

> these fruits is much higher than ours, in America. Needless to say

> that with all the abundance of fruits and vegetables I did not even

> think of cooked food. But what was really shocking to me is that just

> a week after my arrival there, while enjoying fresh air in the

> mountains, eating fresh fruits and vegetables, all kind of physical

> problems (numbness of the feet and hands, kidney infections, bowel

> problems) simply started disappearing! I've been dealing for years

> with these problems, armed with all my knowledge and patience, keeping

> strictly to the protocols of Hulda, Bernard Jensen and

> . I use digestive enzymes, the best brand vitamins (as

> recommended by Hulda), liquid minerals, bowel flora, zapper, enemas,

> eat planty of fruits and vegetables, vitamin C powder ... you name it.

> But the miracle could not happen before I switched to NORMAL

> environment in Bulgaria, with NORMAL, rich of vital force, vitamins

> and minerals food! The truth is been so close to me -- we do

> not need all these complications -- vitamins, minerals, enzymes,

> hormones... All we need is to live NORMAL live, as we were initially

> created, in a normal environment. For the rest Nature takes care. It

> was a real miracle to discover that. So at the end of the third week,

> my hands and feet were warm and sensitive again, the urine became

> crystal clear, the tongue had no white film on it and I started having

> 2-3 BM per day. Not to mention the feeling of joy and love that filled

> me up. What more can I say?

>

> About the question you ask below:

>

> 1. I personally try to do some exercies like rolling around on the

> ground, lie on my left and right side, even stand in a vertical

> position with my head pointing down. This way I let the watter flow

> back into the colon.

>

> 2. When you sit (squat) massage your lower abdomen to help the water

> flow back into the colon. Stay in this position and wait for the next

> portion of water to come. Walking around or standing straight might

> desturb this process.

>

> 3. Use cool water. Warm water relaxes the colon and does not promote

> good elimination.

>

> 4. Sitting is never been a natural position for eliminating. The

> sitting toilets have been invented by a lazy king. As with everything

> else, they have been FORCED to us by the system that replaced herbs

> with drugs. The practice and researches show that elimination is

> complete only in a natural squat position. This could be one of the

> factors why people in Bulgaria and other " developing " countries are

> healthier than here, in America. (they still use the old style

> toilets)

>

> Hope this long answer helps :-)

>

> Ludmil

> ----------------------------------

>

> and hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a

> lemon juice enema, followed by a coffee enema, which

> > cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty

> an enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there.

> It's even worse while not eating (colon not emptying),

> > so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

> >

> > Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the

> colon to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which

> day do you usually feel the worst, the second or third

> > day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food

> allergies. I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other

> alternative healing for years, so this is a desperate attempt to

> > do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to

> hear from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea.

> Thanks!

> > suz

>

>

> Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Can you post the recipe for the water, lemon, maple syrup/cayenne fast?

I am getting ready for my first fast, and I have heard that the fast with

maple syrup is great for not being hungry.

Sherry

Re: fasting

>

> Hi Suz,

> I have done numerous fasts of different types, (water only, lemon

> juice/maple syrup/cayenne, and freshly extracted juices) for between 1 and

> 14 days, so I am familiar with your concerns. I heartily recommend

fasting

> as an excellent remedy for all kinds of ills, and find that a 3 day fast

can

> perk me up like nothing else can to make me feel clean inside.

>

> I always feel worse on the second day. By the middle of the second day,

> things start to pick up greatly, and by the 3rd day I feel so good, I am

not

> even aware that I am on a fast. (I wrecked my last fast a couple of

> weekends ago when we went to an apple orchard to let the kids pick apples

> and I totally forgot and decided to sample the goods while we were

> picking....I was slapping myself for forgetting! I NEVER break a fast

with

> apples!)

>

> Be encouraged--you will begin to feel good soon! I am not hypoglycemic,

so

> I can't address those issues, but I do have an opinion on the vitamins. I

> don't think it is recommended to take supplements while on a fast,

> especially if they are synthetic at all. The whole purpose of a fast is

to

> let your digestive organs take a rest and let the body utilize

extracellular

> bodily debris for energy and to cleanse. The taking of supplements will

not

> allow the liver or other organs to take that very necessary break. Your

> body does have a store of nutrients that it can utilize during a period of

> fasting, so supplementation is not necessary, and actually not

recommended.

> It may actually interfere with the cleansing process.

>

> As for the enemas, I can only suggest that you start out lying on your

back,

> then roll to your right side, knees to chest, and then make sure you

spend

> enough time relaxing as you try to empty your bowels. You should have some

> strong peristaltic motions. If you don't have the motions, then your

bowel

> needs time to repair and regain the muscle tone to produce peristalsis.

>

> I also want to suggest that when you do break the fast using raw

vegetables,

> make sure they are high water content foods. Usually watermelon or oranges

> are suggested, but if you want to do a vegetable, something like steamed

> zucchini is a good choice. You don't want something too harsh on your

> system, as the digestive system has to " get rolling " again, and to produce

> the digestive enzymes necessary to utilize the food.

>

> You may want to take some of this time during a fast to read about

> fasting...and become well acquainted with this very important therapy that

> has been used for thousands of years. Dr. Fuhrman has an excellent

> book out (Fasting and Eating for Health) as does Bragg (The Miracle

of

> Fasting).

>

> Good luck.

> Patty

>

> *************************

> > I just started a fast today for the first time ever and I need

> encouragement in a bad way. My dr. told me to do a 2-3 day water fast, a

> minimum of one day, and then to eat raw vegies for

> > the next 6-7 days. I am prone to hypoglycemia, and only weigh 93 lbs to

> start with, so I made a vegie broth from carrots, celery, green beans, and

> beet tops and drank a cup several times

> > today. I also took Spirulina capsules along with my other vitamins and

> hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did a lemon

juice

> enema, followed by a coffee enema, which

> > cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do empty an

> enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there. It's even

> worse while not eating (colon not emptying),

> > so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

> >

> > Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get the colon

> to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast, which day do you

> usually feel the worst, the second or third

> > day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food allergies.

> I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other alternative healing for

> years, so this is a desperate attempt to

> > do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious to hear

> from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea. Thanks!

> > suz

>

>

>

>

> Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your comments about fasting and enemas. I had a

rough evening and night because of the large amount of crap that boiled

in my gut like a volcano and refused to come out. I had terrible

headaches and nausea and my heart pounded all night. The nausea lingers

yet today, even though I did another lemon juice enema this morning.

I'm trying raw carrot and celery juice today. Just hope I'm not allergic

to either, as I have lots of food allergies. I do feel slightly better.

Just wish this garbage would pass from my gut. I've tried all the

suggestions all of you made (except the one with the expensive machine -

never heard of it and can't afford it).

You were all a lot of encouragement to me. Now if I don't feel wonderful

by tomorrow or the next day, I will be sorely disappointed!

suz

[Guest guest]

terebrito@... wrote:

> the broth I took in the morning had 3 medium potatoes, 1 cup of

> carrots and one cup of celery with 6 cups of water; once the water boiled you

> lower the flame and let it steam for 30 minutes. At the end you add some

> green (parsley, dandelion, etc.) and since I love herbs I added some rosemary

> and thyme. For lunch it was a glass of fruit juice done in the juicer

> (apple, pineapple, or any mixture of fruits except melons) and for dinner it

> was a big glass of carrot-celery juice. It was the most delicious experience

> and I was never hungry! Get well and have a wonderful fast!

>

,

Your broth sounds similar to the one I made and drank yesterday, but I left out

the potatoes since I'm fighting candida. Also definitely no fruits. Do you all

think I should continue to

avoid the potato broth while trying to get rid of candida?

suz

[Guest guest]

Patty wrote:

> " Vitamins are not generally required because within the body's cells are

> adequate reserves of protein, fat, minerals, and vitamins that can be called

> upon during periods of famine, food scarcity, or fasting.

Thanks for the info. In his book, Prescription for Nutritional Healing, Dr.

Balch suggests that hypoglycemic and underweight people can take spirulina

during a fast. I took 6 capsules

during the day yesterday, but haven't taken any today. Anyone have info or an

opinion on taking spirulina during a fast?

suz

[Guest guest]

While on a fast I was told (by someone who works for the product Primal

Defense) that it was OK to take probiotics. Is that true?

[Guest guest]

It is a long story. But to make it short -- my parents never gave me

the knowledge of proper body care and nutrition. So, I was living on a

terrible junk diet day by day. It was untill age of 16 when I started

developing first stomach & bowel problems (poor digestion,

constipation), then skin problems, later sinus infections. When

doctors intervented with all their drugs and antibiotics things got

worst. Untill recently I had no idea (like millions of people out

there) that the source of all these problems was in the colon, so I

had no choice but to believe the doctors. Man, did they try their

science on me.

Starting with the hoses that they stick in any body opening they find

:-), x-rays, tomography, drugs, needles, even tranquilizers... sounds

like middle ages inqusition, doesnt it? These things did not make the

situation any better. Finally, thanks God, 3 years ago I found out, by

pure " chance " about parasite cleansing. I started with it, plus

correcting my diet into vegeterian one. Later I got the book " Tissue

cleansing through bowel management " -- a real enlightement, a must

read! So, in about 2 years after couple of cleanses that cost nothing

but couple of dollars (an enema bag + clean water) I achieved what

doctors could not do with hundreds of dollars in 15 years. And all

this because they never taught me a proper diet and colon care. Today

my skin is almost cleared up, the ever running nose and winter colds

are a bad memory, so are the poor digestion and peristaltic. During

the course of cleansing I got many black stuff and hard " rubber "

mucoid layers out.

So, today I try to help others who feel miserable in the hands of

conventional medicine through the web site http://cleansing.n3.net If

somebody has a good info to share with us he is welcome to send it to

me. I will publish it on the website.

The picture with me is made 2 years ago at the " Red river " in Quebec.

> Ludmil: I checked out your pictures - they are indeed beautiful!!!

I also

> saw a picture of you - you look so young! At what age did you

develop all these health issues and to what do you attribute them to?

> Re: fasting

>

>

> >

> > There is something I want to share with you and

> > all friends here before I answer your question. It is about my

> > experience during the last vacation in Bulgaria. It

> > is a small country between Greece, Roumania and Yugoslavia. The

climat

> > is warm, people too, there are plenty of beautiful high mountains.

> > Take a look at the photo-gallery http://bulgaria.n3.net

> > Almost everybody grows his own food. The difference between our,

> > american grown food and theirs is huge. Nothing can be compared to

the

> > deep sweet taste of those home grown tomatoes! Look here

> > http://bulgaria.n3.net/graphics/veggiesCU.jpg Here I should

mention

> > that the biggest number of longest living people in Europe are in

> > Bulgaria. When I buy peaches, melons or grape from the market

> > there, the fragnance fills up the whole house! (I can hardly feel

> > any taste at all in those from our local fruit store) I can bet

that

> > not only the taste but the vitality and mineral/vitamin content on

> > these fruits is much higher than ours, in America. Needless to say

> > that with all the abundance of fruits and vegetables I did not

even

> > think of cooked food. But what was really shocking to me is that

just

> > a week after my arrival there, while enjoying fresh air in the

> > mountains, eating fresh fruits and vegetables, all kind of

physical

> > problems (numbness of the feet and hands, kidney infections, bowel

> > problems) simply started disappearing! I've been dealing for years

> > with these problems, armed with all my knowledge and patience,

keeping

> > strictly to the protocols of Hulda, Bernard Jensen and

> > . I use digestive enzymes, the best brand vitamins (as

> > recommended by Hulda), liquid minerals, bowel flora, zapper,

enemas,

> > eat planty of fruits and vegetables, vitamin C powder ... you name

it.

> > But the miracle could not happen before I switched to NORMAL

> > environment in Bulgaria, with NORMAL, rich of vital force,

vitamins

> > and minerals food! The truth is been so close to me -- we do

> > not need all these complications -- vitamins, minerals, enzymes,

> > hormones... All we need is to live NORMAL live, as we were

initially

> > created, in a normal environment. For the rest Nature takes care.

It

> > was a real miracle to discover that. So at the end of the third

week,

> > my hands and feet were warm and sensitive again, the urine became

> > crystal clear, the tongue had no white film on it and I started

having

> > 2-3 BM per day. Not to mention the feeling of joy and love that

filled

> > me up. What more can I say?

> >

> > About the question you ask below:

> >

> > 1. I personally try to do some exercies like rolling around on the

> > ground, lie on my left and right side, even stand in a vertical

> > position with my head pointing down. This way I let the watter

flow

> > back into the colon.

> >

> > 2. When you sit (squat) massage your lower abdomen to help the

water

> > flow back into the colon. Stay in this position and wait for the

next

> > portion of water to come. Walking around or standing straight

might

> > desturb this process.

> >

> > 3. Use cool water. Warm water relaxes the colon and does not

promote

> > good elimination.

> >

> > 4. Sitting is never been a natural position for eliminating. The

> > sitting toilets have been invented by a lazy king. As with

everything

> > else, they have been FORCED to us by the system that replaced

herbs

> > with drugs. The practice and researches show that elimination is

> > complete only in a natural squat position. This could be one of

the

> > factors why people in Bulgaria and other " developing " countries

are

> > healthier than here, in America. (they still use the old style

> > toilets)

> >

> > Hope this long answer helps :-)

> >

> > Ludmil

> > ----------------------------------

> >

> > and hormones. (My doc told me to take the vitamins.) I also did

a

> > lemon juice enema, followed by a coffee enema, which

> > > cleared out a bunch of garbage, but my problem is, I never do

empty

> > an enema, so I still have watery garbage gurgling around in there.

> > It's even worse while not eating (colon not emptying),

> > > so tonight I am feeling very nauseous and dizzy.

> > >

> > > Are there any experts on this list who have an idea how to get

the

> > colon to empty? Also, those of you who have done a 3 day fast,

which

> > day do you usually feel the worst, the second or third

> > > day? I am doing this to get rid of candida and multiple food

> > allergies. I've been eating healthy and doing herbs and other

> > alternative healing for years, so this is a desperate attempt to

> > > do what none of the other remedies have done. I'll be anxious

to

> > hear from the rest of you while I'm drinking my peppermint tea.

> > Thanks!

> > > suz

> >

> >

> > Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

> >