Fasting

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In a message dated 7/12/99 8:13:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, matzelle@...

writes:

<< Anyway one of the things they suggest is a fast-

I have never done this before- Any recommendations on how to go about

it- What liquid drinks to have-..etc how long?

>>

Hi ,

I fasted one time for 9 days on only grape juice and water. Last 2 days I

didn't want any juice and on the 9th day I didn't want water. Scary. I

immediately broke the fast.

I did feel better during the fast. THE REASON: During a fast your body

produces more cortisone. Also during a fast you are burning off muscle

including heart muscle. IMHO it is not a very good idea. I would never do

it again.

Anita

RA 26 years, Fibro, AP 17 months

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,

I too tried fasting--a clinic in Cleveland, OH--the Dr said it was the only

cure for arthritis. I fasted on water for 15days and lost from 100lbs to

85lbs. It was absolutely nuts, as I really think the doctor was

looney--people have died in his clinic. He then started you on raw fruits and

vegetables. Two problems--elimination must be controlled (which he did

nothing about watching that) and breaking a long water fast can make a person

very sick unless the right types of foods are used. Raw vegetables are too

much. I was in less pain--off all meds--prednisone and NSAID's. Unfortunately

I lost so much muscle and weight that it exacerbated my condition.

Moral--Starvation really isn't the answer.

But on a brighter side, fasting short lengths of time 1-3 days is supposed to

be healthy (some are fruit juice fasts, water, etc). There are all kinds of

books on it--if you go long term (more than a couple days)--have a

knowledgeable health professional.

L

In a message dated 99-07-12 21:56:06 EDT, you write:

<< << Anyway one of the things they suggest is a fast-

I have never done this before- Any recommendations on how to go about

it- What liquid drinks to have-..etc how long?

>>

Hi ,

I fasted one time for 9 days on only grape juice and water. Last 2 days I

didn't want any juice and on the 9th day I didn't want water. Scary. I

immediately broke the fast.

I did feel better during the fast. THE REASON: During a fast your body

produces more cortisone. Also during a fast you are burning off muscle

including heart muscle. IMHO it is not a very good idea. I would never do

it again.

Anita

RA 26 years, Fibro, AP 17 months >>

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ken, I have been observing this message board for a number of months.

Needless to say, I, like many others have patiently tolerated your

utter lack of decorum,not to mention, the horrendous writing skills,

possibly with the idea that the intentions were well meant. As I

recall, this message board is for the discussion and furtherment of

Hulda s methodologies, which is not limited to, in any event

fasting, and which, by the way, also includes the gallstone flush,

which appears to have had benefits for many. Just the concept of

fasting alone stikes me as rediculous to think that it could possibly

prevent and/or cure all conditions. In saying this, I am not refuting

the possible benefits of responsible fasting. I'm merely saying we

owe it to ourselves and each other to keep an open mind. Also, for

the sake of our readers, please refrain from the vulgarities in the

future, as it is extremely unpleasant reading material, as well, it

detracts from whatever statement you are attempting to make.

sincerely, ray.

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:03:03 -0000 " ray c " <wrayc@...> writes:

> From: " ray c " <wrayc@...>

>

> ken, I have been observing this message board for a number of months.

> Needless to say, I, like many others have patiently tolerated your

> utter lack of decorum,not to mention, the horrendous writing skills,

> possibly with the idea that the intentions were well meant. As I

> recall, this message board is for the discussion and furtherment of

> Hulda s methodologies, which is not limited to, in any event

> fasting, and which, by the way, also includes the gallstone flush,

> which appears to have had benefits for many. Just the concept of

> fasting alone stikes me as rediculous to think that it could possibly

> prevent and/or cure all conditions. In saying this, I am not refuting

> the possible benefits of responsible fasting. I'm merely saying we

> owe it to ourselves and each other to keep an open mind. Also, for

> the sake of our readers, please refrain from the vulgarities in the

> future, as it is extremely unpleasant reading material, as well, it

> detracts from whatever statement you are attempting to make.

> sincerely, ray.

>

> Ray,

If you and Bill Ross want to suffer a fool, you have the constitutional

right to do so. I long ago developed the practice of deleting, unread,

any e-mail that comes on my screen that is sent by Ken Boychuk. Anything

of value that he might have to say is not worth defiling your mind by

wading through the garbage he spews.

Gordon

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top of the morning to u........all i can tell u is about my own

experience......im not a religious person .....as a matter of fact im anti

religion......having said that......im also the guy that went to india twice

to see sai baba.....im quite spiritual........anyway the way i see most

religious things.......their rituals seldom comply with natural laws......so

i avoid them if i come to a leap of faith situation........i rather like to

follow common sense.......so since i dont feel hungry in the morning i wont

eat then...........and i dislike going to bed with a full stomach so i wont

eat then either........my starting point with the theory of fasting was with

arnold ehret's books .....rational fasting and the mucusless diet healing

system.....hes one of the trail breakers ......since reading his stuff over

several times ive embraced his method to the tune of at least

95%..........there r many others on the net and in book

stores..........linda hazzard is on the net at soilandhealth.org......and if

u search http://www.healthy.net there is a lot of fasting info

there........anyway my way is to waterfast with a little lemon juice in the

water.....take gut tolerance levels of vit c on the days that i dont have a

colonic and i try to have a colonic on every third day of fasting.......i

started in early jan.......1 day fast ....1 day food.......1 1/2 day

fast......1 1/2 day food...........and inched my way up......... as we speak

im on a 6 1/2 day fast.....so thats it .........hope it is of assistance to

u....... ken

re: fasting

> ** High Priority **

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I hail from the southern most tip of Africa, excatly where the two

> oceans ( indian & atlantic) meet,

> a city named Cape Town. An ex president , Mandela !!.

>

> Ken, I share your passion about fasting and believe in fasting to get

> rid of all the toxins, " illnesses " etc.

> I am an arthiritis sufferer and have been told by my doctor to

> immediately go on a diet in order to lose 20kg

> I am definitely going to go the fasting way, but i need some assistance

> wrt which fast to follow.

> perhaps you are able to give me an idea.

> I thought of following one of the religious fasts where you eat in the

> morning before dawn and then break the fast

> early evening. you are allowed to eat anything, but obviously welll

> balanced. After 2/3 days your stomach is shrunk to such an extent that

> you now are not able to eat alot once you have broken your fast.

> anyway , thanks until i hear from you again.

> Zainab

>

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top of the morning to u........all i can tell u is about my own

experience......im not a religious person .....as a matter of fact im anti

religion......having said that......im also the guy that went to india twice

to see sai baba.....im quite spiritual........anyway the way i see most

religious things.......their rituals seldom comply with natural laws......so

i avoid them if i come to a leap of faith situation........i rather like to

follow common sense.......so since i dont feel hungry in the morning i wont

eat then...........and i dislike going to bed with a full stomach so i wont

eat then either........my starting point with the theory of fasting was with

arnold ehret's books .....rational fasting and the mucusless diet healing

system.....hes one of the trail breakers ......since reading his stuff over

several times ive embraced his method to the tune of at least

95%..........there r many others on the net and in book

stores..........linda hazzard is on the net at soilandhealth.org......and if

u search http://www.healthy.net there is a lot of fasting info

there........anyway my way is to waterfast with a little lemon juice in the

water.....take gut tolerance levels of vit c on the days that i dont have a

colonic and i try to have a colonic on every third day of fasting.......i

started in early jan.......1 day fast ....1 day food.......1 1/2 day

fast......1 1/2 day food...........and inched my way up......... as we speak

im on a 6 1/2 day fast.....so thats it .........hope it is of assistance to

u....... ken

re: fasting

> ** High Priority **

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I hail from the southern most tip of Africa, excatly where the two

> oceans ( indian & atlantic) meet,

> a city named Cape Town. An ex president , Mandela !!.

>

> Ken, I share your passion about fasting and believe in fasting to get

> rid of all the toxins, " illnesses " etc.

> I am an arthiritis sufferer and have been told by my doctor to

> immediately go on a diet in order to lose 20kg

> I am definitely going to go the fasting way, but i need some assistance

> wrt which fast to follow.

> perhaps you are able to give me an idea.

> I thought of following one of the religious fasts where you eat in the

> morning before dawn and then break the fast

> early evening. you are allowed to eat anything, but obviously welll

> balanced. After 2/3 days your stomach is shrunk to such an extent that

> you now are not able to eat alot once you have broken your fast.

> anyway , thanks until i hear from you again.

> Zainab

>

[Guest guest]

Ken, your last message was much easier to read--thanks. J.

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Dear Ken,

I hope your fasting is a help to your physical body. I, however, am more

concerned about your spiritual condition. I hope you will call only upon the

name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to bring a total healing to your

body and spirit. He died that you might live with all fullness of life. I

will be praying for you in His Name that is above all other names.

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Hey, I thought this posting was supposed to be about Bowel cleansing and

related subjects...I for one have a very busy life and do not want to receive

emails on garbage and tit for tat. If you have an ax to grind with someone

please do so out side this forum......Thanks, Carol........

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Interesting, I remember a few years ago I had a cough which had lasted about

three or four months...they tried everything (syrups, codeine, inhalers, etc)

to calm it down but I couldn't kick it...It was driving me nuts....I had

heard that fasting could be used for healing since if you fast your body can

concentrate on healing rather than attempting to digest food and process

waste... I even have a book on it somewhere....I believe it was called

FASTING YOUR WAY TO HEALTH..I can dig up the author if anyone is

interested...the author had been diagnosed with some sort of cancer and

fasted for a while and achieved complete remission. I've even heard of

FASTING CLINICS where one goes on an extended fast under medical supervision

to achieve healing...

Anyway, back to my cough, I went on a ten day fast, consuming only water, and

the cough disappeared...and in truth, I had had coughs like this previous to

that time which would last for a couple of months before being able to kick

it...this last one was the longest of them....I have thought of trying it for

RA but haven't yet...

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Blessings and Health

Tony (Diagnosed Sero-Neg. RA Apr 99; on AP since 5 Oct 99)

Meds (DR Prescribed): Methotrexate 10MG per week; Folic Acid 2MG per day;

Prednisone 10 mg daily; Sulfasalazine 4G daily; Cloriquine Phos. 250 mg

daily; Minocycline 100 mg 2X daily; Prilosec 20-40mg daily

Alternative Meds/Herbs: Flax Seed Oil (Omega 3, 6, 9) 6 g daily; MSM 2 g

daily; Pantothenic Acid (B5) 2 g daily; Niacin (B6) 1 g Daily;

Echinacea/Goldenseal 420 mg daily; Milk Thistle 350 mg daily; Ginseng 840 mg

daily; Chitosan 2 g Daily; Lactobacillis Acidopholis 2 capsules daily

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If you are going to fast.... try Sonne's product... both the powder, I

believe to be # 7 with the #9 ...... you will not need to antagonize you

system with cay.... but will feel the full feeling while removing excess

defecations locked in the folds of your colon.... you will still need the

enemas at least twice a day.. using this system will clean you out... reduce

weight depending on your metabolizm (which changes with age) At 30 I could

lose 15 to 20 # " in a 15 day fast....at 40 5 to 7 # and at 50 2 to 5 #.....

try it you might like it... beats having a 10 year old see you in trembous

abd pain..which could be something that child will do with or without the

fasting...... C~

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" ABRS " <abrs@...> writes:

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> It seams at this point and stage in life it so difficult to soak, sprout every

grain of wheat and bean we eat. I have been considering this for some time. It

is just easier for me to refrain (fast). Yet yesterday I spent the afternoon

cramping terribly. I took my normal zinger of 1 heaping teaspoon of cayenne in

1/4 glass of water. I love this, and do it three times a day. Yet on top of my

fast and cleansing products I ended up buckled on the floor in cramps and sweats

while my 10 year old quickly prepared an enema bag to flush me out. Needless to

say, I am far from all the answers.

>

> Bernadette

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My friend who has a Ph D in biochemistry and worked for Bristol-Meyers

Squibb had advised me against the cayenne in water fast. He tried it

years earlier to lower his cholesterol levels and gave himself stomach

ulcers. It is too strong. In the book, " Left for Dead " the author who

is a journalist by training explains how you have to combine cayenne

with another herb (hawthorne I think) to prevent this dangerous side

effect--although he claims to lower his cholesterol levels, he also

developed stomach troubles and sweats. It's been awhile since I read

the book, " Left For Dead " --I have trouble accepting one man's

anecdotal evidence as a good reason for me to experiment with my body

on a long-term basis. Fortunately, it is now possible to seek out

Naturopathic Physicians who can successfully treat nutritionally and

have more knowledge of alternative methods. In my faith, we are

encouraged to seek out a competent physician...although I have had my

share of doctor's making mistakes on me...I feel I have been taken

care of by such physicians than I have of myself. At least just

consulting with a physician who has knowledge of herbs (like a

Naturopath) can be enlightening and wouldn't limit your ability to

continue on your cleanse program.

Your body wasn't designed to take all these herbs at once. In the Holy

Writings of my Faith it say that in the future illness will be cured by the

use of foods, and that if a single herb solves a problem, do not use a

combination of herbs (this concept contradicts current herbal

preparations).

Please be careful it seems like you're doing more damage to your body

and setting a very questionable example for your 10 year old. Not everything

you read is truely good for you. I can't imagine you have anymore

parasites at this moment. And some parasites may not be that bad for

you compared to the alternative. One thing struck me about something

Dr. Howell said in his book. After completeing the 900 cat study he

said the life span of cats who ate raw foods versus cats who ate

cooked foods with some raw foods was the same...the effect of the

cooked food diet only showed up in succeeding generations reproductive

health.

food for thought,

rhonda

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Thanks for all the input, my cramps passed very quickly and I will not use

excess doses of cayenne while fasting. I will have to admit, my energy

soared yesterday, skin cleared and I feel WONDERFUL! As far as my 10YO my

kids have seen to many failures with doctors and successes at home through

intestinal cleanses on there own health. My 14YO was very sick with the

" flu " when I insisted they Xray his colon, the Doctors (very embarrassed)

found a clogged colon! Of which they could not unclog, home treatment with

herbs did it. For my kids to see me grow, learn, and have 10 minutes of

cramping is no big deal. For them to whip out an enema bag, is teaching them

how to care for the sick and themselves at a young age. We had a neighbor

who had a teenage daughter die from a clogged colon. My children have

excellent knowledge on good nutrition and only become clogged when we move

(only 8 times in five years!) and have to change the way they eat. They have

not been on antibiotics for many years (all 4 of them), and a cold cycle is

only three days in this house.

Bernadette

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I am going on Friday for my first colonic. I'm excited but getting a little

nervous. What if it tears a hole in my colon? Or makes lots of tiny tears

in my colon and toxins begin to leak through my body? Should I take any

herbal supplements before and after to prevent any of that or to resupply

nutrients that my body needs? Oh, I just have soooo many questions. Any

help is greatly appreciated. Marcie

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wow, i dont know what your talking about. only water is let into your colon

and the nozzle/speculum inserted into ;your rectum goes no further than a

standard enema nozzle,j there is absolutely nothing to tear anything, so

relax and work with your therapist to start getting yur colon clean. fred

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Hi Marcie!

I had my one and only colonic a few weeks ago and it was extremely gentle.

The technician could control the trigger sprayer, and, as soon as I said I

felt " full " , she would stop immediately. We would then watch, through the

lighted glass tube on the machine, the contents of my colon go washing away.

I could identify last night's lettuce, carrots, etc. She could identify a

piece of mucous occasionally. Other things were unidentifiable to me--she

just called them " debris " .

I hope you don't worry about this. Besides the fact that worrying won't help

you at all, I can't imagine how the small amount of pressurized water could

tear your colon. Water is very gentle to your system. It will just wash out

what is willing to come out and leave the rest. It may take 2-3 colonics to

get your colon cleaned out--it all depends on its condition. I am thankful

that mine was cleaned out the first try. All I really need to keep from

getting constipated is to drink water, water, water...

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with your colonic. I will be praying

for you. Be sure to let us all know how it turns out.

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Nile. i would have fresh veggies steamed (no carrots or potatoes) and a

piece of fresh chicken, turkey or fish baked with a touch of pure garlic

added to it.a fresh salad. Hmmmmm sounds good! Mogdrmom

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Nile --

A bowl of vegetarian soup and a small green salad.

-Lin

Nile Gomez wrote:

I've been fasting since about midnight on Sunday.

It's been amazingly ok. I'd like to break fast with dinner this evening

and would like to make a smooth transition into the candidiasis diet. Any

suggestions as to what I should have for dinner tonight? Thanks!

love, joy, peace!

Nile

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the first day is the hardest-there are many resources on the net for

fasting-water fasts are not recommended-juice (vegetable and green) are the

way to go- i would check out the net-fasts beyoned ten days are usually not

recommended either

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In a message dated 08/26/2000 7:41:56 AM Central Daylight Time,

ASaucyMinx@... writes:

<< the first day is the hardest-there are many resources on the net for

fasting-water fasts are not recommended-juice (vegetable and green) are the

way to go- i would check out the net-fasts beyoned ten days are usually not

recommended either

>>

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Chet day has a good 21 day program that allows some eating.

can be downloaded at chetday.com

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> I'm intimidated by the thought of not eating for a few days. How does one

> handle hunger during this time? What do you do for nourishment?

You have to be mentally prepared to get through the first day or so. Just

remind yourself that not eating is going to help you in the long run, as it

gives your digestive organs a much needed rest. Keep occupied with other

projects that will keep your mind off of food. If you have been eating alot

of junk foods before a fast, you will feel the hunger pangs much more

intensely, so it is much easier to accomplish if you have been eating well

to begin with.

After the first day or so, the hunger isn't even noticeable.

As for nourishment, your body has reserves and stores of certain nutrients,

so it is not critical to get nourishment daily. The body has the ability to

go long periods without food (but not water). Your body will burn excess

and stored reserves for energy, and will then begin to do what it was

intended to do--a deep cleaning, removing cellular debris and waste more

efficiently. It is like cleaning out your pantry and using up all the

" stuff " that has been laying around for awhile that didn't look too

appetizing before. In the end, by the third day of fasting, you will notice

renewed energy and vitality, and a much clearer head. You will feel lighter

on your feet and restored.

It is a great feeling. And remember, it is critical to come off a fast

correctly. You can't just dive into food again, but introduce foods slowly,

beginning with broths or other high water content foods, such as watermelon

or oranges, and then slowly add more bulk into your diet again.

Patty

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> the first day is the hardest-there are many resources on the net for

> fasting-water fasts are not recommended-juice (vegetable and green) are

the

> way to go- i would check out the net-fasts beyoned ten days are usually

not

> recommended either

I have done both water only fasts and freshly extracted juice fasts of

varying durations. I have found one important difference when I do these

different types of fasts.

When I fast with water only, I usually get a rash on my breasts and head

that takes a week or so to go away. My naturopath told me that these were

toxins coming out of my breasts and head. Let me tell you, when I first saw

this rash, I was very concerned, but when I realized my body was doing what

I wanted it to do, and that is to do some deep tissue cleansing, I was very

relieved and almost excited.

I have since done many fasts--more water only, some with the water, lemon

juice and maple syrup mix, (the " Master Cleanse " ), and some with freshly

extracted carrot juice only.

The only fasts that produced the rash were the water only, and water/lemon

juice/maple syrup fasts.

That told me that they were the most effective at removing deep tissue

toxins. While a juice fast may be beneficial, it is not as effective in

cleansing as a water only fast.

Patty

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I would like to do the water/lemonjuice/maple syrup fast but I don't have

the recepie. Could you please post the amounts and how often a day you take

it and for how many days.

Thanks,

Sherry

Re: Fasting

> > the first day is the hardest-there are many resources on the net for

> > fasting-water fasts are not recommended-juice (vegetable and green) are

> the

> > way to go- i would check out the net-fasts beyoned ten days are usually

> not

> > recommended either

>

> I have done both water only fasts and freshly extracted juice fasts of

> varying durations. I have found one important difference when I do these

> different types of fasts.

>

> When I fast with water only, I usually get a rash on my breasts and head

> that takes a week or so to go away. My naturopath told me that these were

> toxins coming out of my breasts and head. Let me tell you, when I first

saw

> this rash, I was very concerned, but when I realized my body was doing

what

> I wanted it to do, and that is to do some deep tissue cleansing, I was

very

> relieved and almost excited.

>

> I have since done many fasts--more water only, some with the water, lemon

> juice and maple syrup mix, (the " Master Cleanse " ), and some with freshly

> extracted carrot juice only.

>

> The only fasts that produced the rash were the water only, and

water/lemon

> juice/maple syrup fasts.

>

> That told me that they were the most effective at removing deep tissue

> toxins. While a juice fast may be beneficial, it is not as effective in

> cleansing as a water only fast.

> Patty

>

>

>

>

> Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

> I would like to do the water/lemonjuice/maple syrup fast but I don't

have

> the recepie. Could you please post the amounts and how often a day you

take

> it and for how many days.

Here is the recipe:

Juice of one and a half lemons (organic preferred) per quart of pure water

1-2 Tablespoons pure maple syrup (preferably Grade

1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon cayenne (optional--provides warmth if you become

chillled during the fast)

Drink 2 quarts daily.

Drink an additional 8 eight ounce glasses of water daily.

Drink all the herbal tea you want.

The duration of the fast is up to you. If you are an inexperienced faster,

it is best to start out slow, working your way up to longer durations. I

have fasted for periods ranging between 1 and 10 days. I usually see the

toxins released through my skin on the third day.

Remember to break a fast carefully! Eat only high water content foods, such

as watermelon or oranges in small quantities, or soft vegetables, such as

steamed zucchini. You can slowly add in more bulkier foods at each meal,

preferably wholesome natural foods, such as brown rice in a vegetable soup.

Best of health,

Patty

[Guest guest]

Take care in doing a fast. Especially if you're fasting for the first

time, consider going to a naturopath (or other professional) who is

experienced in helping people with fasts. I have hypoglycemia and because

of this have never done a fast. My body can't tolerate juice, vegetable or

fruit, and can't keep the blood sugar levels even without food. If you

have any kind of blood sugar imbalance it is especially important to work

with a professional if you're going to do a fast.

Hope this helps,

ASaucyMinx@... wrote:

>

> the first day is the hardest-there are many resources on the net for

> fasting-water fasts are not recommended-juice (vegetable and green) are the

> way to go- i would check out the net-fasts beyoned ten days are usually not

> recommended either

>

>

> Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>