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In a message dated 4/3/2001 5:39:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

warmfuzzies@... writes:

<< For anyone that wants to " Ignore " this person, it's pretty easy to

change the settings in your email program to have their posts deleted off

your server before they are even downloaded. >>

Please tell me how to do this!!!!!

Thank you...

Andra

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> ......just a fyi:  I'm the wrong bitch to play with!

You might be the wrong person I'd choose to play with, but you are exactly the person I want to address.

Apart from one other person, I have been on this list longer than anyone else now and NEVER have I seen such pointless messages as yours from any other member. At first I thought you were a teenager looking for attention by screwing around. Then when I realized you weren't, I ignored your increasingly confusing and irrelevant posts - like most people here. Then when you posted seeking support for an issue related to Black Entertainment Television, I politely asked you to keep your messages related to BFL and to act in the same spirit that this group showed when they embraced you and offered you support. (AND I even shrugged it off when people posted that WE should play nice with regard to YOU!) Let me make my postion completely clear. I don't believe in flaming people, attacking people, turning on people or any of the other things it is possible to do in a group, BUT you are contributing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to this message board. You are wasting your time and ours.

There are enough posts to get through every day, posts from people who really work hard, share their goals and support each other in a BFL lifestyle.

Until your posts are relevant, I am going to completely ignore them. You want something from the members of this group? Then offer something more than badly written meaningless posts.

.

PS. This may not be typing 101. It's simply common courtesy to write in a manner that can be understood.

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......just a fyi: I'm the wrong bitch to play with!

Listen the last time i check this wasn't typing class 101......nor english

101....but i do suggest taking excuse my French 101

LOL...now how you like those red apples.....peach isn't it?

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>Thanks for the ignore tip Lana. I read from the web site so I can't

>easily ignore them. At first I was giving her the benefit of the

>doubt, but I have to wonder why anyone would send the nonsense

>messages. Now I realize that they may not be serious about the

>program and are on this list to make fun of us.

>

>Andy

Andy....

You are correct. What is commonly referred to as a " troll " . If you see

posts from this person on the site, I just wouldn't bother opening them as

it's all just nonsense. That is if you can actually *read* the posts. I

guess I'm just better at pig latin than the average joe

Lana

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Did we ever officially select a moderator? Looks like we could use

one about now.

Kathy

> ......just a fyi: I'm the wrong bitch to play with!

>

>

>

> Listen the last time i check this wasn't typing class 101......nor

english

> 101....but i do suggest taking excuse my French 101

> LOL...now how you like those red apples.....peach isn't it?

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Hello. BTW-By the way and VBG- very big grin I have a

wonderful list of abbreviations I will send them to

you.

Lana in Ga

--- terrykerrie@... wrote:

> Hi

> Can anyone tell me what BTW and VBG stand for, I

> have seen these many

> times and have no idea what they mean.

> Thanks

> Kerrie

>

>

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HI Kerrie:

I am the worst culprit, being such a poor keyboarder!

BTW = by the way

VBG = very big grin.

Good luck, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

At 02:54 PM 04/10/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi

>Can anyone tell me what BTW and VBG stand for, I have seen these many

>times and have no idea what they mean.

>Thanks

>Kerrie

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find someone who does the gravity method colonic --NOT colema. colemas are

not that effective in my experience. in order to get the cecum fluid out you

might need a colonic. this will get the trapped gas out and then allow

whatever is in there to leave.

[Guest guest]

Try a chiropractic adjustment. You definitely have a problem, and short term,

that might help. I've had several people come in over the years who could not

go to the bathroom until the nerve pressure in the back was cleared. It's worth

a try...

jp

I am in major distress right now. Since Sunday nothing has left my system. I

have pain and burning in my right side and major headaches and dizzyness.

I

know they are from inner toxins. Expelled gas smells rotten.Indigestion

is

horrible. Sorry to be so graphic but I am out of answers. I have only

juiced

for 2 days for fear of putting more into my system. I am nauseated .I did

a heavy duty parasite cleanse Sunday and must

have killed something that is not leaving.

I overdosed on Homozon--nothing.

I did colemas--nothing

Last night I was desperate and took 5 of Dr Schulz's # 1 intestinal, 1

cup of

Senna Leaf Tea and 2 cascara segrata--nothing.

Another colema this morning did not produce much either.

Now I am really worried and out of ideas.

Do you have something under your sleeve you can share?

Love and Light

Christel

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I have a couple of questions for the group today.  Has anyone used shrink

wrap on there M & P soaps?  I just found some " smell-through " ,  and now

that it is in, just can't seem to get it to work out!  It it supposed to

seal itself with the heat or do you do that with the shrinking.  I am

finding that I like good ol saran wrap better.  And now for question 2, I

recently made shaving cream -1/4 cup stearic acid

                                                                         

                 2 TBLS grapeseed oil        

                                                                         

                  1 Cup hot water

                                                                         

                  1 Tsp Borax

                                                                         

                   2 Tbls grated soap

                                                                         

               a few drops of lime essential oil.

It was thick and creamy at first, now it is runny.  Does anyone know what

might have happened?  Is it possible this is to be made and used, or can

it be stored??  Thanks in advance   Blessings to everyone         

                 

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Hi .....All I make and sell is M & P, and I only have been using Saran Wrap. I

haven't had a shrink wrap that I like as yet. If I ever find one that really

works well, I'll use it.

Jeanne

ALL WASHED UP

Nature Loving Soap

Re: HELP

> I have a couple of questions for the group today. Has anyone used shrink

> wrap on there M & P soaps? I just found some " smell-through " , and now

> that it is in, just can't seem to get it to work out! It it supposed to

> seal itself with the heat or do you do that with the shrinking. I am

> finding that I like good ol saran wrap better. And now for question 2, I

> recently made shaving cream -1/4 cup stearic acid

>

> 2 TBLS grapeseed oil

>

> 1 Cup hot water

>

> 1 Tsp Borax

>

> 2 Tbls grated soap

>

> a few drops of lime essential oil.

> It was thick and creamy at first, now it is runny. Does anyone know what

> might have happened? Is it possible this is to be made and used, or can

> it be stored?? Thanks in advance Blessings to everyone

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Reynolds Film 905 works much much better than Saran and you can get the huge

roll (3,000 ft) at Sam's for about $11.

Re: HELP

>

>

> > I have a couple of questions for the group today. Has anyone used shrink

> > wrap on there M & P soaps? I just found some " smell-through " , and now

> > that it is in, just can't seem to get it to work out! It it supposed to

> > seal itself with the heat or do you do that with the shrinking. I am

> > finding that I like good ol saran wrap better. And now for question 2, I

> > recently made shaving cream -1/4 cup stearic acid

> >

> > 2 TBLS grapeseed oil

> >

> > 1 Cup hot water

> >

> > 1 Tsp Borax

> >

> > 2 Tbls grated soap

> >

> > a few drops of lime essential oil.

> > It was thick and creamy at first, now it is runny. Does anyone know what

> > might have happened? Is it possible this is to be made and used, or can

> > it be stored?? Thanks in advance Blessings to everyone

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Try using Nashville Wraps...they have a low temp one for soaps and I think

it works well.

Re: HELP

>

>

> > I have a couple of questions for the group today. Has anyone used shrink

> > wrap on there M & P soaps? I just found some " smell-through " , and now

> > that it is in, just can't seem to get it to work out! It it supposed to

> > seal itself with the heat or do you do that with the shrinking. I am

> > finding that I like good ol saran wrap better. And now for question 2, I

> > recently made shaving cream -1/4 cup stearic acid

> >

> > 2 TBLS grapeseed oil

> >

> > 1 Cup hot water

> >

> > 1 Tsp Borax

> >

> > 2 Tbls grated soap

> >

> > a few drops of lime essential oil.

> > It was thick and creamy at first, now it is runny. Does anyone know what

> > might have happened? Is it possible this is to be made and used, or can

> > it be stored?? Thanks in advance Blessings to everyone

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 5/24/01 9:58:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mydragon@... writes:

would crash into my house and kill me. Angry at everybody and everything. Feel like im going to pull my hair out. And yet im still calm, except for the crying and stuff. I keep thinking i should call my shrink, but then i think that maybe its not so bad. But maybe it is if im thinking of crawling into the bathtub and cutting my wrists. ( dont want to make a mess you know)

My house is a mess, my life is a mess, ive got no money, ive got no real life friends who could come here and talk to me. IM all alone. Lately ive been in alot of pain, not sure why. Dont want to go to the doctors since all they seem to care about is my blood sugars, who cares about the rest....

Im falling into a hole and i dont know how to climb back out of it. I wonder every min of the day if this min will be the one that i just break and do something to make it all go away. I just cant stand to sit here crying and feeling so low another day. i cant take much more of this And i feel so sad that my life is so worthless that i could just throw it away.........

thought i would feel better if i vented but, i dont. I dont know if I'll ever feel better again. I just want to lock myself in a room and never come out again..

I want to call my husband but i dont want him to worry. I dont want him to get fired for coming home to be with his crazy wife. :-(

How the hell did i get to this....

Melinda

Mellinda honey, have you got a Crisis Intervention number to call right away, you need help desperately, they will help you, you can call your doctor, he must take notice of you, yes you have reached a crisis hon, you can call a friend or another family member, in ANY case call your shrink NOW! You just sit tight, life ain't that bad dear, think about positive things now, make a cup of tea and try to calm down.

Suicide is NOT the answer, once I tried to kill myself and obviously I did not succeed

I thank those wonderful doctors who helped save me every day now, suicide is DEATH, there is no return from death, its over, but not for your loved ones, they have a life to live through with horrible memories to recall. They all love you I am sure of that. These feelings will pass hon, try to think again what might happen to others and how you have had happy times, your children, your marriage, how he loves you, think a bout how wonderful the spring is now with flowers and trees, the birds singing and any thing that make you feel better Anne

[Guest guest]

Melinda your feelings are normal for someone with a chronic condition. We

are not in control of the things that matter and that can drive anyone

crazy. Start looking for good things. I am in pretty much the same

situation and so many times I wonder how am I ever going to make it. But

then something happens and life doesn't seem so bleak any more. You need to

go and talk to you psychiatrist right away. Suicide is never the answer. I

attempted suicide when I was 16 and did it good enough that they could not

do anything to reverse it, it was only my will to live that help me through

it. I also have been the family member who had to deal with a loved one who

attempted suicide and if you really love your family you would get the help

you need.

Please Melinda, call your doctor or a crisis hotline when these thoughts

start entering your mind. We all love and care about you, and want you

around for a very long time. Just take it one day at a time, you will climb

out of the hole that you feel you are in.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jan,

I did call my husband, and he said he'd be right home. I was upset

yesturday too, but today just really got to me. SO much pressure on me, I

just couldnt take it. I was glad that he came home. and we talked and i

cried and he made me lunch and we talked about the things that we could do

to try and fix some of the stuff that was bothering me. I also think that I

have PMS, and some months it is extremlely awful and puts me in such a

downward spirial.

So yes im feeling a bit better, your words make me feel better also. IM

glad that my husband came home and that i didnt let my fear get in the way

of asking for help.

now im just going to rest. I think im not sleeping enough again and its

putting even more pressure and making things look much worse.

again, thank you

Melinda

At 09:01 AM 5/24/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Melinda your feelings are normal for someone with a chronic condition. We

>are not in control of the things that matter and that can drive anyone

>crazy. Start looking for good things. I am in pretty much the same

>situation and so many times I wonder how am I ever going to make it. But

>then something happens and life doesn't seem so bleak any more. You need to

>go and talk to you psychiatrist right away. Suicide is never the answer. I

>attempted suicide when I was 16 and did it good enough that they could not

>do anything to reverse it, it was only my will to live that help me through

>it. I also have been the family member who had to deal with a loved one who

>attempted suicide and if you really love your family you would get the help

>you need.

>Please Melinda, call your doctor or a crisis hotline when these thoughts

>start entering your mind. We all love and care about you, and want you

>around for a very long time. Just take it one day at a time, you will climb

>out of the hole that you feel you are in.

>

>

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Hello,

Your feelings are real and first u have to accept that.. I have many illnesses of the lungs and also can get very depressed...But Suicide is not thae anser by anymeans i mean i thought of it as im sure a lot of people have but look at it this way.. suicide is to get out of this world away from fear and pain of this world but again.. where will you go i mean do u really know..i mean if u believe in god as i do you are goingto go in a worse place then u are now so that solves nothing aand if you dont believe do u know 100 percent of where u will go??????? ...i have a lot of faith and that helps me and i have had my share of this worlds cr**...but u have to believe in something have to trust something 100 percent so i do in god and i hope maybe u can find some peace there..other then that just ook around as long as u are on this earth u have a purpose so dont just throw all that away.. a lot of people care!!!!!!! if u wanna look at my web page i will give u the link... its on the reals of the world.........www.geocities.com/unicornslive/CAROLSPAGE.html i hope i did not offend anyone if i did im sorry to the individual person whom i may have offended

take care

CarolGod BlessCarol

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hey I have the same feelings all the time, all you can do is what my grandda always told me you got to let go and let god. I am not a religous fanatic but I have found in the long run it pays to at least believe that there is someone in your corner

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol,

I want you to know that I was not offended in any way by your reply

to Melinda. I think you said many good things. I don't know if we believe

in exactly the same things or ways, but you did a good job of explaining

your own beliefs and ideas. Mostly, you emphasized that suicide is NOT the

answer. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I couldn't find

a better word than "solution" here, I wish I could.

Melinda and everyone, please take good care of yourselves tomorrow.

Love,

ie B

f_bertaud@...

Carol R wrote:

Hello,

Your feelings are real and first u have to accept that.. I have many

illnesses of the lungs and also can get very depressed...But Suicide is not

thae anser by anymeans i mean i thought of it as im sure a lot of people

have but look at it this way.. suicide is to get out of this world away from

fear and pain of this world but again.. where will you go i mean do u really

know..i mean if u believe in god as i do you are goingto go in a worse place

then u are now so that solves nothing aand if you dont believe do u know

100 percent of where u will go??????? ...i have a lot of faith and that helps

me and i have had my share of this worlds cr**...but u have to believe in

something have to trust something 100 percent so i do in god and i hope maybe

u can find some peace there..other then that just ook around as long as u

are on this earth u have a purpose so dont just throw all that away.. a lot

of people care!!!!!!! if u wanna look at my web page i will give u the link...

its on the reals of the world.........www.geocities.com/unicornslive/CAROLSPAGE.html

i hope i did not offend anyone if i did im sorry to the individual person whom i may have offended

take care

Carol

God Bless

Carol

[Guest guest]

Dear Melinda,

I understand how you feel. Believe me, I've been there many times. I've

felt like my skin was on too tight. I've wanted to stop living my life,

but I did NOT want to die. Does that make sense?

Please call someone that can help you get through this time of pain. I

read in another post that you called your husband and that he went home

to help you. That was the right thing to do. He is obviously there for you.

I've had many thoughts on the subject of suicide; beyond just the way to

finish myself off. One thought I keep returning to is: What about the

person that would find me? What would my suicide do to that person? I've

known several people that did commit suicide and I've known people who

found someone who did that. The finders were shaken in ways that I

cannot describe. One friend of mine was visiting with another friend

when his friend went into his bedroom and shot himself with a shotgun.

Not a pretty sight for my friend. I've known men who found their

ex-wives hanging... Two of my ex-wife's cousins (brothers) committed

suicide in the same year; though for different reasons. Another friend

of mine found his roommate dead of a gun shot after spending many hours

in their apartment, not knowing the roommate was dead.

My other thought is of my mother. She is a devout Catholic and a woman

who did the best she could with what she had. I know my suicide would

hurt her terribly. She has tried to make up for things she didn't do for

me when I was young and needed her protection from my father. I simply

cannot do something like that to her. It's more than I can fathom doing

to her.

And I do believe in God. I cannot say that I understand God, but I

believe in a Higher Power. God gave us free will and the risks that come

with that. I don't believe that I would benefit from suicide in whatever

lies ahead for us. I suppose that means I believe in Hell. Well, I do,

but I don't pretend to know what that is, either. I do believe that we

create our own " Hell on Earth " somehow. That there is something that we

could suffer of our own making. Hard to explain.

Melinda, the thing I want to say most to you is: TALK TO SOMEONE,

ANYONE. You are not as alone as you feel. I would even be happy if you

called me at any hour if you feel like this again (I'll give anyone my

phone number if you want it.). The most important thing is to not be

alone with these thoughts. I know it's hard to share them with people

who are not prepared to hear those words, but you must find someone to

talk to. I've lived in Charlotte nearly 3 years and I don't know anyone

I can call a friend. But I do know my wife's friends and I have a

therapist and a psychiatrist. I've promised my therapist and

psychiatrist that I would contact them BEFORE I do anything to hurt

myself. Promise someone you will do the same. Sometimes it's enough to

think of the promise to keep me from thinking about killing myself any

longer. It really helps.

But what will help you the most is knowing that you can reach out to

your friends. We are here and we are your friends, too. Never forget that.

I look forward to seeing more posts from you tomorrow or the next day.

God Bless you, Melinda.

Everyone, please take good care of yourselves tomorrow.

Love and Peace,

ie B

f_bertaud@...

Melinda Sprague wrote:

> hi,

> IM in a state of crisis or something. Im not doing so hot here. Im reaching

> an almost unbearable level of, I dont even know what to call it. But im in

> trouble. Thinking about suicide every min im a wake. Wishing that a metor

> would crash into my house and kill me. Angry at everybody and everything.

> Feel like im going to pull my hair out. And yet im still calm, except for

> the crying and stuff. I keep thinking i should call my shrink, but then i

> think that maybe its not so bad. But maybe it is if im thinking of crawling

> into the bathtub and cutting my wrists. ( dont want to make a mess you know)

> My house is a mess, my life is a mess, ive got no money, ive got no real

> life friends who could come here and talk to me. IM all alone. Lately ive

> been in alot of pain, not sure why. Dont want to go to the doctors since

> all they seem to care about is my blood sugars, who cares about the rest.....

> Im falling into a hole and i dont know how to climb back out of it. I

> wonder every min of the day if this min will be the one that i just break

> and do something to make it all go away. I just cant stand to sit here

> crying and feeling so low another day. i cant take much more of this And i

> feel so sad that my life is so worthless that i could just throw it

> away.........

> thought i would feel better if i vented but, i dont. I dont know if I'll

> ever feel better again. I just want to lock myself in a room and never come

> out again..

> I want to call my husband but i dont want him to worry. I dont want him to

> get fired for coming home to be with his crazy wife. :-(

> How the hell did i get to this....

> Melinda

>

>

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> hi,

> IM in a state of crisis or something. Im not doing so hot here.

>

(((((Melinda))))))!!!! Oh I hope you are feeling better!

Please write back & tell us you have been to see a doc or counselor.

I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. Please try not to be alone

till this feeling eases.

You wrote this on Thursday, and it is now late Mon night. I trust

your guardian angel doesnt take holiday weekends off, and you have

been well looked after.

Please feel better,

[Guest guest]

Cocoa butter and shea butter - you should be able to get this at a health

food store. Look for 's products.

HTH

Cate

[Guest guest]

cocoa Butter and Shea Butter? Try a Healthe Food Store.....Holly

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In a message dated 7/24/01 5:35:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, thefarm@...

writes:

> I think I might have missed some postings and if someone answered my

> question I apologize for asking again...I need to know something that will

> help oils and my extracts stay mixed together in lotion bases. Any help

>

Hi,

I don't think I saw your first post, but.....it sounds like you may need an

emulsifier. I am assuming that your lotion contains water in addition to the

extracts and the oils. As you probably know, lotions have a water phase and

an oil phase. To make a lotion, you would perhaps want your water phase to be

around 80-95% of your total formulation. I am not sure what kind of extracts

you mean, but if they are water-based, then they would be a part of the water

phase. One emulsifier for lotions is Polawax NF that is manufactured by

Croda. The water and oil need to be heated and combined at approx. 160F.

Many extracts must be added at cooldown, as well as your preservatives. Let

me know if you have any other questions.

Angie

The Herbarie

at Stoney Hill Farm

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Welcome Sal, falzone2@...

The most efficient source for finding a therapist experienced in

dealing with OCD is through the Obessive-Compulsive Foundation

www.ocfoundation.org

If you go to our FILES, on the webpage, you will

find several interesting articles to help you determine what you are

looking for in a therapist.

If you care to share some more info about your son, where you

live, what experiences you have had or whatever info you are

comfortable sharing, this is a very safe place to discuss your

concerns. Perhaps there are others here from the same area who can

suggest a resource for you.

One of the most important parts of parenting a person living with

OCD is that we must take care of ourselves. We, as the main

caregivers, must take the time to be alone, spend time with our

partners or friends, and to take the time to breath!! If we

collapse, everything else falls down with us!

so... take care!! wendy in canada (mom to 3 with ocd++)

====================================================

My son was recently diagnosed with OCD. We are looking for

someone

who could lead us to a doctor working out of the Child Psychology

Dept. at the University of Michigan. My wife and I would appreciate

any advise.

Thank You, Sal

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