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excellent summary, Robyn

Sheri

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At 11:27 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote:

> > However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people

> > yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases.

>

>Most of the diseases the world vaccinates for today are NOT the killers

>of yesteryear.

>Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, tetanus - none of these routinely

>killed children. The chicken pox vaccine was developed because someone

>figured out that the US lost about one billion dollars in lost

>productivity per year when working moms had to take time off work to

>take care of their sick children. It wasn't about the disease killing

>people. The vaccine was rushed through trials, and the lifelong immunity

>it was thought to transmit was completely bogus. We all found that out

>when the high school and college kids were getting chicken pox. Since

>the vax was introduced, there have been 3 boosters added to the schedule.

>Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease. In 1996, the year the US

>started the Hep B vax in babies, there were 54 cses of Hep B in children

>under age 5. There were over 17,000 reports of moderate to severe

>adverse effects to VAERS.

>Hepatitis A is comparable to the flu, and rarely causes complications in

>anyone. Speaking of the flu, I concede that influenza can kill. However,

>the flu vaccine is a " best guess " and there has been plenty of press

>about how the vax didn't protect against the strains that are out there

>now.

>Diphtheria was once a threat. It's major cause is living in close

>quarters, without access to clean water. It's big in Russia, but not

>found in other Western countries. If you read the DTaP vaccine inserts,

>you will find that there are very few cases per year in the US. I

>believe one of the inserts estimated 5 cases in one year.

>This leaves pneumonia, Hib (a type of meningitis), and polio. Polio has

>been discussed in-depth here recently. The pneumonia vaccine, like the

>flu vaccine, is a best guess. The Hib vaccine appears to work, but cases

>of other types of meningitis are on the rise. We're trading one disease

>for another.

>

>The single most important " invention " in medicine was the washing of

>hands. That, combined with sterilization of instruments and items used

>with sick individuals, has saved more lives than we realize.

>

>And, think about all the other killers for which there are no vaccines,

>but we're not seeing anymore: the plague, scarlet fever, cholera,

>tuberculosis (technically there is a vax, but even pro-vaxers admit it

>doesn't work), and so on.

>

>I hope this helps!

>~Robyn

>

>

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Robyn - yes, this does help and makes sense. I was just reading about the HIB

vax and that there are other types of menigitis. From what I jsut read, viral

is the most common with no vax yet.

I was looking on my papers that I need to have filled out and sent in. The only

question on there is are vaccinations current. I am still unsure if this will

keep us from being cleared but I am going to try to put it through the ay things

are now and not go forth with the vacsines until I feel more confident in my

decisions.....if it comes back that he needs them to be cleared then I will have

to make my decision maybe before I feel omfortable with it.

Love,

Beth

Re: new to group

> However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people

> yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases.

Most of the diseases the world vaccinates for today are NOT the killers

of yesteryear.

Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, tetanus - none of these routinely

killed children. The chicken pox vaccine was developed because someone

figured out that the US lost about one billion dollars in lost

productivity per year when working moms had to take time off work to

take care of their sick children. It wasn't about the disease killing

people. The vaccine was rushed through trials, and the lifelong immunity

it was thought to transmit was completely bogus. We all found that out

when the high school and college kids were getting chicken pox. Since

the vax was introduced, there have been 3 boosters added to the schedule.

Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease. In 1996, the year the US

started the Hep B vax in babies, there were 54 cses of Hep B in children

under age 5. There were over 17,000 reports of moderate to severe

adverse effects to VAERS.

Hepatitis A is comparable to the flu, and rarely causes complications in

anyone. Speaking of the flu, I concede that influenza can kill. However,

the flu vaccine is a " best guess " and there has been plenty of press

about how the vax didn't protect against the strains that are out there

now.

Diphtheria was once a threat. It's major cause is living in close

quarters, without access to clean water. It's big in Russia, but not

found in other Western countries. If you read the DTaP vaccine inserts,

you will find that there are very few cases per year in the US. I

believe one of the inserts estimated 5 cases in one year.

This leaves pneumonia, Hib (a type of meningitis), and polio. Polio has

been discussed in-depth here recently. The pneumonia vaccine, like the

flu vaccine, is a best guess. The Hib vaccine appears to work, but cases

of other types of meningitis are on the rise. We're trading one disease

for another.

The single most important " invention " in medicine was the washing of

hands. That, combined with sterilization of instruments and items used

with sick individuals, has saved more lives than we realize.

And, think about all the other killers for which there are no vaccines,

but we're not seeing anymore: the plague, scarlet fever, cholera,

tuberculosis (technically there is a vax, but even pro-vaxers admit it

doesn't work), and so on.

I hope this helps!

~Robyn

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At 09:50 AM 3/15/2008, you wrote:

>Robyn - yes, this does help and makes sense. I was just reading

>about the HIB vax and that there are other types of menigitis. From

>what I jsut read, viral is the most common with no vax yet.

>

>I was looking on my papers that I need to have filled out and sent

>in. The only question on there is are vaccinations current. I am

>still unsure if this will keep us from being cleared but I am going

>to try to put it through the ay things are now and not go forth with

>the vacsines until I feel more confident in my decisions.....if it

>comes back that he needs them to be cleared then I will have to make

>my decision maybe before I feel omfortable with it.

>

>Love,

>Beth

Is it a yes or no question? If so just say yes

If it requires a list, say yes, and then list the ones already.

Sounds like it might nto be a problem

Sheri

> Re: new to group

>

> > However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people

> > yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases.

>

>Most of the diseases the world vaccinates for today are NOT the killers

>of yesteryear.

>Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, tetanus - none of these routinely

>killed children. The chicken pox vaccine was developed because someone

>figured out that the US lost about one billion dollars in lost

>productivity per year when working moms had to take time off work to

>take care of their sick children. It wasn't about the disease killing

>people. The vaccine was rushed through trials, and the lifelong immunity

>it was thought to transmit was completely bogus. We all found that out

>when the high school and college kids were getting chicken pox. Since

>the vax was introduced, there have been 3 boosters added to the schedule.

>Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease. In 1996, the year the US

>started the Hep B vax in babies, there were 54 cses of Hep B in children

>under age 5. There were over 17,000 reports of moderate to severe

>adverse effects to VAERS.

>Hepatitis A is comparable to the flu, and rarely causes complications in

>anyone. Speaking of the flu, I concede that influenza can kill. However,

>the flu vaccine is a " best guess " and there has been plenty of press

>about how the vax didn't protect against the strains that are out there

>now.

>Diphtheria was once a threat. It's major cause is living in close

>quarters, without access to clean water. It's big in Russia, but not

>found in other Western countries. If you read the DTaP vaccine inserts,

>you will find that there are very few cases per year in the US. I

>believe one of the inserts estimated 5 cases in one year.

>This leaves pneumonia, Hib (a type of meningitis), and polio. Polio has

>been discussed in-depth here recently. The pneumonia vaccine, like the

>flu vaccine, is a best guess. The Hib vaccine appears to work, but cases

>of other types of meningitis are on the rise. We're trading one disease

>for another.

>

>The single most important " invention " in medicine was the washing of

>hands. That, combined with sterilization of instruments and items used

>with sick individuals, has saved more lives than we realize.

>

>And, think about all the other killers for which there are no vaccines,

>but we're not seeing anymore: the plague, scarlet fever, cholera,

>tuberculosis (technically there is a vax, but even pro-vaxers admit it

>doesn't work), and so on.

>

>I hope this helps!

>~Robyn

>

>Beth Jacomet wrote:

> >

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[Guest guest]

Mavis - thanks for the advice. I am not the one who answers the question

though. I have to have it filled out by our doctor. However, he really is p to

date besides the MMR and his last Polio.

I have learned alot of the info regarding some of the disease (although still

alot I hve not learned) but I honeslty feel like the vacines are not for my

family or kids. However, there are some I still am researhing to make sure I

feel 110% comfortable with my decision to stop vaccines all together. I am

still learning so much. It can be overwhelming and confusing but I am plugging

away at it.

Thanks for your help. I am learning so much!!!!! I am very intersted in

Shari's classes....depending on how involved they are and how much time I have

to so them. I wish my hubby would do it so he could learn this stuff too!!!!!

Love,

Beth

Re: new to group

Hi again Beth,

I think it would be very wise of you to simply answer " YES " to their

question about whether vaccines are current. That would really be the truth

because

they are current according to your decision at the moment. If they do not

ask for the records, then I would hope that you will be okay here. I know

that they cannot make you get them just to travel. Good luck with your noble

attempt to delay them until you can do the research that you want to do in

order to make a more educated decision. It would be important for you to know

your rights so that you can stand up for what you really want.

blessings,

Mavis

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In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes:

Robyn - yes, this does help and makes sense. I was just reading about the

HIB vax and that there are other types of menigitis. From what I jsut read,

viral is the most common with no vax yet.

I was looking on my papers that I need to have filled out and sent in. The

only question on there is are vaccinations current. I am still unsure if this

will keep us from being cleared but I am going to try to put it through the

ay things are now and not go forth with the vacsines until I feel more

confident in my decisions... I was looking on my papers that I need to have

filled

out and sent in. The only question on there is are vaccinations current. I

Love,

Beth

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Robyn - thanks for this email. It got sent to my spam folder adn I never read

it. I am glad I found it along wth alot of other ones. I had over 35 emails in

my spam and several of them were from me...the rest from others posting on

various topics!!!!

Thanks for the link to your website. I will check it out. I have been trying

to spend as much time looking through Sheri's info here but it is difficult to

find the time to do it with the two little ones But, I must make time to do

it so I can get as much info as possible.

I wanted to ask 2 things...first, breastfeeding seems to be a BIGGIE here as far

as building immune systems. I can not breastfeed, so should this pose a greater

threat to my kids if I do not vax? I feel like they are missing out on alot of

the good stuff and then by not giving the vaxs, they are more vulnerable.

Also, I will be moving overseas. Now, I am not too worried about getting a

disease where we will be going as it is pretty clean (although it is in Asia).

However, I feel like my hubby's job may make us. Do you or anyone else have any

info about this? He works for the govt. and we have to be cleared to go

over......I will know more in a couple of weeks but I would like to get my

" ducks in a row " incase they put up a fight...I need to know my legal rights.

It is pretty scary to think they can take your kids away....although this may be

rare...I will not take that chance.....

Thanks again for the info...sorry I just now got the message....I will know to

also look in my spam folder...lol

Much Love,

Beth

Re: New to group

>

> Hi Beth,

> I am a mother of 5 unvaccinated children ages 22-3 and so have a lot of

> years under my belt here. They have all been very healthy without

> vaccines.

> There are lots of children who were able to take 2 or 3 rounds of

> vaccines and

> then on the next one, they had the terrible reaction and there are many

> stories from parents who have written in their grief about how their

> child was

> developing normally and then after another round of vaccines, totally

> changed,

> lost their ability to talk and retreated into a world of their own

> that many

> call autism. There are others who's child became allergic to a lot of

> things

> and not to mention the overall diminishing of their immune systems. I

> would

> point out that if you start the shots when they are young, you really

> have no

> way of knowing what their personalities or health might have been without

> them and though it may not seem that they have had reactions, you may

> not be

> able to tell what is going on in their bodies on a molecular level. I

> just

> could not risk all the unknowns.

>

> You can travel without them and you can get into school without them.

> Sheri's website is one in my signature below _Vaccination Information

> & Choice

> Network - _ (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm)

>

> and please do look into the others. If you do a google search of " vaccine

> damage " or vaccine adverse reaction " or " vaccine injured " you will find

> plenty to read. There are lots of children out there who have been so

> very

> injured and all of their parents would tell you that ya never know

> which shot is

> going to send them over the edge and that if they knew then what they

> know now

> that they would have never given their children the vaccines. They want

> nothing more than for their stories to inspire caring mothers like you

> to learn

> all that you can about the potential reactions to vaccines that can

> happen.

>

> I will be happy to help you in any way that I can because I believe

> with all

> my heart that vaccines are not safe for anyone!

>

> Mavis

>

> ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

>

> _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> (http://www.vran. org/links/ story-links. htm)

>

> _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> (http://www.newstarg et.com/Report_ HPV_Vaccine_ 0.html)

>

> _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm)

>

> _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib. org/index. htm)

>

> _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

> (http://909shot. com/)

>

> In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes:

>

>

> Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most is if my

> kids

> have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut getting

> second and

> third doeses of the same thing, why would they now have a reaction? Also,

> this may keep us from being able to travel with my husband. When he

> leaves he

> is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about school?????

>

> Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my nose but I am

> not seeing it

>

> Thanks again,

> Beth

>

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Beth,

Vaccines are not a substitute for breastmilk. They don't work anyway so don't

worry about it. You'll do just fine by your children if you feed them right.

Winnie

Re: New to group

> >

> > Hi Beth,

> > I am a mother of 5 unvaccinated children ages 22-3 and so have

> a lot of

> > years under my belt here. They have all been very healthy

> without

> > vaccines.

> > There are lots of children who were able to take 2 or 3 rounds

> of

> > vaccines and

> > then on the next one, they had the terrible reaction and there

> are many

> > stories from parents who have written in their grief about how

> their

> > child was

> > developing normally and then after another round of vaccines,

> totally

> > changed,

> > lost their ability to talk and retreated into a world of their

> own

> > that many

> > call autism. There are others who's child became allergic to a

> lot of

> > things

> > and not to mention the overall diminishing of their immune

> systems. I

> > would

> > point out that if you start the shots when they are young, you

> really

> > have no

> > way of knowing what their personalities or health might have

> been without

> > them and though it may not seem that they have had reactions,

> you may

> > not be

> > able to tell what is going on in their bodies on a molecular

> level. I

> > just

> > could not risk all the unknowns.

> >

> > You can travel without them and you can get into school

> without them.

> > Sheri's website is one in my signature below _Vaccination

> Information

> > & Choice

> > Network - _ (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm)

> >

> > and please do look into the others. If you do a google search

> of " vaccine

> > damage " or vaccine adverse reaction " or " vaccine injured " you

> will find

> > plenty to read. There are lots of children out there who have

> been so

> > very

> > injured and all of their parents would tell you that ya never

> know

> > which shot is

> > going to send them over the edge and that if they knew then

> what they

> > know now

> > that they would have never given their children the vaccines.

> They want

> > nothing more than for their stories to inspire caring mothers

> like you

> > to learn

> > all that you can about the potential reactions to vaccines

> that can

> > happen.

> >

> > I will be happy to help you in any way that I can because I

> believe

> > with all

> > my heart that vaccines are not safe for anyone!

> >

> > Mavis

> >

> > ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

> >

> > _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> > (http://www.vran. org/links/ story-links. htm)

> >

> > _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> > (http://www.newstarg et.com/Report_ HPV_Vaccine_ 0.html)

> >

> > _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> > (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm)

> >

> > _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib.

> org/index. htm)

> >

> > _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> > (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information

> Center_

> > (http://909shot. com/)

> >

> > In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes:

> >

> >

> > Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most

> is if my

> > kids

> > have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut

> getting

> > second and

> > third doeses of the same thing, why would they now have a

> reaction? Also,

> > this may keep us from being able to travel with my husband.

> When he

> > leaves he

> > is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about school?????

> >

> > Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my

> nose but I am

> > not seeing it

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Beth

> >

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[Guest guest]

At 08:47 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote:

>Robyn - thanks for this email. It got sent to my spam folder adn I

>never read it. I am glad I found it along wth alot of other

>ones. I had over 35 emails in my spam and several of them were from

>me...the rest from others posting on various topics!!!!

>

>Thanks for the link to your website. I will check it out. I have

>been trying to spend as much time looking through Sheri's info here

>but it is difficult to find the time to do it with the two little

>ones But, I must make time to do it so I can get as much info as possible.

>

>I wanted to ask 2 things...first, breastfeeding seems to be a BIGGIE

>here as far as building immune systems. I can not breastfeed, so

>should this pose a greater threat to my kids if I do not vax? I

>feel like they are missing out on alot of the good stuff and then by

>not giving the vaxs, they are more vulnerable.

I would suggest that by not having breastfed, you pose a greater risk

by giving them vaccines. They don't have the protection that even

that would give.

Remember vaccines do not give immunity, only inject chronic illness.

Question - why do people think vaccines give immunity?

Sheri

> > _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> > (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

> > (http://909shot. com/)

> >

> > In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes:

> >

> >

> > Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most is if my

> > kids

> > have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut getting

> > second and

> > third doeses of the same thing, why would they now have a reaction? Also,

> > this may keep us from being able to travel with my husband. When he

> > leaves he

> > is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about school?????

> >

> > Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my nose but I am

> > not seeing it

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Beth

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

Breastfeeding is not an option for all people. We need to remember this,

and remember that we are all doing what we feel is best for each one of

our individual children. Breastfeeding is not a panacea.

~Robyn

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> At 08:47 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote:

> >Robyn - thanks for this email. It got sent to my spam folder adn I

> >never read it. I am glad I found it along wth alot of other

> >ones. I had over 35 emails in my spam and several of them were from

> >me...the rest from others posting on various topics!!!!

> >

> >Thanks for the link to your website. I will check it out. I have

> >been trying to spend as much time looking through Sheri's info here

> >but it is difficult to find the time to do it with the two little

> >ones But, I must make time to do it so I can get as much info as

> possible.

> >

> >I wanted to ask 2 things...first, breastfeeding seems to be a BIGGIE

> >here as far as building immune systems. I can not breastfeed, so

> >should this pose a greater threat to my kids if I do not vax? I

> >feel like they are missing out on alot of the good stuff and then by

> >not giving the vaxs, they are more vulnerable.

>

> I would suggest that by not having breastfed, you pose a greater risk

> by giving them vaccines. They don't have the protection that even

> that would give.

> Remember vaccines do not give immunity, only inject chronic illness.

>

> Question - why do people think vaccines give immunity?

>

> Sheri

>

> > > _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> > > (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

> > > (http://909shot. com/)

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most is if my

> > > kids

> > > have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut getting

> > > second and

> > > third doeses of the same thing, why would they now have a

> reaction? Also,

> > > this may keep us from being able to travel with my husband. When he

> > > leaves he

> > > is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about school?????

> > >

> > > Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my nose

> but I am

> > > not seeing it

> > >

> > > Thanks again,

> > > Beth

> > >

> > > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL

> Money &

> > > Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 000000001)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I second Sheri's comment... you're not doing any favors to your child by

vaccinating just because you haven't breastfed. The question here isn't

whether you should/shouldn't breastfeed, it's whether you should or

shouldn't vax, based on whether you breastfed, and NO vaccination is not a

substitute to strengthen the immune system. Vaccines degrade the immune

system by thier very nature.

By the way, I can't remember if I sent you these links before... if I have,

sorry for the repeat in information. If I haven't, or if you haven't really

looked at them, please do. Look at the list of ingredients that are in

vaccines.. these cannot possible do anything good for your child and their

immunity. Every parent should be given a list of ingredients in every

vaccination before they consent to their kids being jabbed, but they're not!

Note that these are from the CDC's own website!

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table\

-2.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table\

-1.pdf

Another chart of vaccine ingredients:

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/informed-vaccine.html

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

wrote:

>

> I would suggest that by not having breastfed, you pose a greater risk

> by giving them vaccines. They don't have the protection that even

> that would give.

> Remember vaccines do not give immunity, only inject chronic illness.

>

> Question - why do people think vaccines give immunity?

>

> Sheri

[Guest guest]

,

That's the way I took Sheri's comment, too. Not as a criticism for not

breastfeeding but as a way to calm the fear that without the immunity from

breastfeeding, vaccinating would be more warranted. In fact, it would be

riskier. Makes a lot of sense.

I had a friend whose son had major health issues at birth and she was told it

was very important for him to be vaccinated because of this. She took the

opposite approach that he was too fragile for vaccines. He's now 18, never been

vaccinated and very healthy. I wonder what he would have been like if she

listened to them, perhaps not even alive.

Winnie

Re: New to group

Vaccinations

> I second Sheri's comment... you're not doing any favors to your

> child by

> vaccinating just because you haven't breastfed. The question

> here isn't

> whether you should/shouldn't breastfeed, it's whether you should or

> shouldn't vax, based on whether you breastfed, and NO

> vaccination is not a

> substitute to strengthen the immune system. Vaccines degrade

> the immune

> system by thier very nature.

>

> By the way, I can't remember if I sent you these links

> before... if I have,

> sorry for the repeat in information. If I haven't, or if you

> haven't really

> looked at them, please do. Look at the list of ingredients that

> are in

> vaccines.. these cannot possible do anything good for your child

> and their

> immunity. Every parent should be given a list of ingredients in every

> vaccination before they consent to their kids being jabbed, but

> they're not!

>

>

> Note that these are from the CDC's own website!

>

>

>

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table\

-2.pdf

>

>

>

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table\

-1.pdf

>

> Another chart of vaccine ingredients:

> http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/informed-vaccine.html

>

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Sheri Nakken

> wrote:

> >

> > I would suggest that by not having breastfed, you pose a

> greater risk

> > by giving them vaccines. They don't have the protection that even

> > that would give.

> > Remember vaccines do not give immunity, only inject chronic illness.

> >

> > Question - why do people think vaccines give immunity?

> >

> > Sheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello there all bandsters and sleevers, well im new to the group and I

> will be having my surgery on Tuesday May 6, 2008... Wooooohooo.

> I cant wait.

> I am having the lapband and really excited about it. I have been

> reading all of the posting and appreciate all of your information. I am

> not really taking time off of work other than my day offs and will be

> back at work on Friday night. I dont do hard labor or anything like

> that Im a 9-1-1 police dispatcher, however, my work days are long. Can

> any of you tell me if I will need a lot of restroom breaks or anything

> like that. Also, I just bought this really awesome blender type machine

> its called the Vita Mix, I got it at Costco and its wonderful to blend

> everything and anything.

> Now, is there any bandsters from the Imperial Valley area. I sure

> would like to meet some of you. I live in El Centro, Ca just 13miles

> north of Mexicali, so going to Dr. A will be an easy trip.

>

> 226/bmi 37.9 Cant wait to start living life again.

Hey , I'm all the way in Texas BUT I can tell you after surgery

(had mine 4/18) I didn't necessarily need many bathroom breaks BUT I

got tired (still do sometimes) a lot easier than before. It's just the

healing process. I had surgery on Friday and came home Sunday night

and went back to normal life on Tuesday. I SHOULD HAVE taken a few

days off just to recoup. Surgery is surgery, minimally invasive as it

is, and I could have used the break. However, I made it just fine, but

I was soar where my incisions were/are. It's 18 days out and I'm only

soar now, every now and again, at night, after a long, active day AND

I have lost 17 pounds! So, good luck my band sister! You'll be GREAT! A

>

[Guest guest]

Hello , congrats on the loss.. I just cant wait to be there with you. Thanks for the info on your experience. Have you registered with obesityhelp.com its great so that we can keep track of each others progress pics journey etc... So tell me, what protein drink did you use, I have bought Isopure and hear yucki things about it. Well tomorrow actually in about 8 hrs i will be in surgery, wish me lots of luck and well definately be in touch.. 05/06/08 lapband by Dr. A 226/and very hopeful andreaearlemccorkle <andreaearlemccorkle@...> wrote: >> Hello there all bandsters and sleevers, well im new to the group and I > will be having my surgery on Tuesday May 6, 2008... Wooooohooo.> I cant wait.> I am having the lapband and really excited about it. I have been > reading all of the posting and appreciate all of your information. I am > not really taking time off of work other than my day offs and will be > back at work on Friday night. I dont do hard labor or anything like >

that Im a 9-1-1 police dispatcher, however, my work days are long. Can > any of you tell me if I will need a lot of restroom breaks or anything > like that. Also, I just bought this really awesome blender type machine > its called the Vita Mix, I got it at Costco and its wonderful to blend > everything and anything. > Now, is there any bandsters from the Imperial Valley area. I sure > would like to meet some of you. I live in El Centro, Ca just 13miles > north of Mexicali, so going to Dr. A will be an easy trip.> > 226/bmi 37.9 Cant wait to start living life again. Hey , I'm all the way in Texas BUT I can tell you after surgery(had mine 4/18) I didn't necessarily need many bathroom breaks BUT Igot tired (still do sometimes) a lot easier than before. It's just thehealing process. I had surgery on Friday and came home Sunday nightand went back to normal life on Tuesday. I

SHOULD HAVE taken a fewdays off just to recoup. Surgery is surgery, minimally invasive as itis, and I could have used the break. However, I made it just fine, butI was soar where my incisions were/are. It's 18 days out and I'm onlysoar now, every now and again, at night, after a long, active day ANDI have lost 17 pounds! So, good luck my band sister! You'll be GREAT! A >

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

The DAY BEFORE!!!! YEA!!!!! I bought every flavor of Isopure and had

them waiting when I got home and took one freaking drink and gave

them to my best friend because I just couldn't tolerate that nasty

crap without puking! However, she drank those expensive monstrosities

without complaint, so you may like them as well. I DID NOT! So I was

sans protein until phase two when I started on the ISOPURE CHOCOLATE

(YUMMY WITH ICE, WATER & YOUR PREF OF DIVINCI FLAVORING!) & MATRIX

Chocolate Peanutbutter (per Bip's strict direction). THAT HAS HELPED!

I wasn't hungry FOR DAYS, but after about a week and a half, I was

HUNGRY-Likie teenage boy who plays football hungry! So enjoy the

quick loss. The first 14 pounds came off in the first week. The next

three, have come off over the last week and a half, but I eat 1200-

1500 calories in protein and GOD HELP ME, ICE CREAM & SWEET TEA! So,

until my first fill (May 31st) I'm doing it slow! Sticking to the

diet though! GOOD LUCK GIRL! A

> >

> > Hello there all bandsters and sleevers, well im new to the group

and I

> > will be having my surgery on Tuesday May 6, 2008... Wooooohooo.

> > I cant wait.

> > I am having the lapband and really excited about it. I have been

> > reading all of the posting and appreciate all of your

information. I am

> > not really taking time off of work other than my day offs and

will be

> > back at work on Friday night. I dont do hard labor or anything

like

> > that Im a 9-1-1 police dispatcher, however, my work days are

long. Can

> > any of you tell me if I will need a lot of restroom breaks or

anything

> > like that. Also, I just bought this really awesome blender type

machine

> > its called the Vita Mix, I got it at Costco and its wonderful to

blend

> > everything and anything.

> > Now, is there any bandsters from the Imperial Valley area. I sure

> > would like to meet some of you. I live in El Centro, Ca just

13miles

> > north of Mexicali, so going to Dr. A will be an easy trip.

> >

> > 226/bmi 37.9 Cant wait to start living life again.

>

> Hey , I'm all the way in Texas BUT I can tell you after

surgery

> (had mine 4/18) I didn't necessarily need many bathroom breaks BUT I

> got tired (still do sometimes) a lot easier than before. It's just

the

> healing process. I had surgery on Friday and came home Sunday night

> and went back to normal life on Tuesday. I SHOULD HAVE taken a few

> days off just to recoup. Surgery is surgery, minimally invasive as

it

> is, and I could have used the break. However, I made it just fine,

but

> I was soar where my incisions were/are. It's 18 days out and I'm

only

> soar now, every now and again, at night, after a long, active day

AND

> I have lost 17 pounds! So, good luck my band sister! You'll be

GREAT! A

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ! Hang in there! I cried when they took my trial out also. When do

you get your permanent on in? I have had mine in since December 2007. Just

remember that the permanent one doesn't always do as well as the trial.

However, it still takes some of the pain away so it is worth it.

Marci B.

<eyesrevealsoul1@...> wrote:

I recently had a trial done had the trial taken out on the 27th ,told

the doctor I was going to cry...it was the best thing ..once you get

use to the vibrating...its nothing ...and I had about a 75% decrease in

pain...got right to sleep at night...no limp when walking...could walk

more...now it hurts so bad..the nurse has to call the neurologist to

get me in...I have a feeling this could be awhile...don't know about

this pain..

[Guest guest]

I don't know I am waiting for them to call me with the date...thank you for your

response

MARCI BAKER <marciaguallobaker@...> wrote: Hi ! Hang in

there! I cried when they took my trial out also. When do you get your permanent

on in? I have had mine in since December 2007. Just remember that the permanent

one doesn't always do as well as the trial. However, it still takes some of the

pain away so it is worth it.

Marci B.

<eyesrevealsoul1@...> wrote:

I recently had a trial done had the trial taken out on the 27th ,told

the doctor I was going to cry...it was the best thing ..once you get

use to the vibrating...its nothing ...and I had about a 75% decrease in

pain...got right to sleep at night...no limp when walking...could walk

more...now it hurts so bad..the nurse has to call the neurologist to

get me in...I have a feeling this could be awhile...don't know about

this pain..

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group! While I live in MN, I was in North Dakota all of last week!Svetlana Masgutova will be in the Mpls/St. in July. It may be helpful to schedule an appointment with her at that time to get you started. There are many people in Minnesota who have taken some of the Masgutova courses. There are many people in Minnesota and at least two women in North Dakota who are licensed in Brain Gym; Svetlana's roots are in Brain Gym and she is an International Faculty member of Brain Gym International. Rhythmic Movement Training (RMT) is another possibility and there are practitioners here as well. There is a conference called the MIMS Symposium October 4-5 in Elk River that will have brief introductory breakout sessions of many of these alternative, safe and very successful modalities.Feel free to email me directly for more details. I really believe you are on the right path! GoldadeLicensed Brain Gym Instructorcingold35@...On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:35 PM, jodihebl wrote:Hi my name is Jodi Hebl. I live in Grand Forksm ND. I Have 4 kids 10 yr old son Rally, 7yr girl Shanel, 2yr girl Autumn and our latest addition 4mon Cannon. Cannon was born on Feb 1st of 2008. He suffered brain injury at birth due to placental detachment from uterin rupture. Cannon spent 21 days in the NICU. He is diagnosed with HIE(hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy). Cannon had seizures for the first 2 weeks and has since weened of phenobarbital. He also did not suck or swallow resulting in a Gtube being put in at 18 days old so that he could finally come home. He has not started any therapies as of yet and I don't want to wait any longer to start. I feel that if I can spend hours a day working with him at home he will do much better than only once a week at a rehabilition center. His assessments are on June 12 and 19 with OT, PT, and a Nutrionist. I have been researching different therapies, IAHP, ABRCANADA, HBOT, and now have found another Musgutova. There is just so much information out there it is hard to find the right one for us. Any help that can be offered would be great. The only probem with all these great sources is that none are close to ND making it hard to attend all the course.I would love to take a series of course and get certified to do this in our area. I feel that this happened to my family for a reason and maybe that reason is to help other people in my same situtation.Thanks Jodi Hebl GoldadeLicensed Brain Gym® InstructorHam Lake, MN763-218-6301cingold35@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

Bless your heart! You have the right attitude.

Enjoy your path taking Svetlana's courses and you might

like to purchase my book, The SuperConfitelligent Child

in the meantime. I have suggestions from birth to age 99 of activities

for the development of 7 of our senses.

check out my website www.denisehornbeak.com

Dr Svetlana Masgutova and her program is mentioned in my book.

Blessings,

New to group

Hi my name is Jodi Hebl. I live in Grand Forksm ND. I Have 4 kids 10 yr old son Rally, 7yr girl Shanel, 2yr girl Autumn and our latest addition 4mon Cannon. Cannon was born on Feb 1st of 2008. He suffered brain injury at birth due to placental detachment from uterin rupture. Cannon spent 21 days in the NICU. He is diagnosed with HIE(hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy). Cannon had seizures for the first 2 weeks and has since weened of phenobarbital. He also did not suck or swallow resulting in a Gtube being put in at 18 days old so that he could finally come home. He has not started any therapies as of yet and I don't want to wait any longer to start. I feel that if I can spend hours a day working with him at home he will do much better than only once a week at a rehabilition center. His assessments are on June 12 and 19 with OT, PT, and a Nutrionist. I have been researching different therapies, IAHP, ABRCANADA, HBOT, and now have found another Musgutova. There is just so much information out there it is hard to find the right one for us. Any help that can be offered would be great. The only probem with all these great sources is that none are close to ND making it hard to attend all the course.I would love to take a series of course and get certified to do this in our area. I feel that this happened to my family for a reason and maybe that reason is to help other people in my same situtation.Thanks Jodi Hebl

[Guest guest]

God Bless you, Jodi, and Godspeed you on this, your new journey. This is a

great group with wonderful information and input from very caring and

knowledgeable people. I use Masgutova Method in less serious situations but

it is extremely powerful, and I know or someone will give you more

info about what you need to know. Keep your fire to learn burning, it's

great you want to become a resource for your area.

Joni Polehna, Stillwater, MN

New to group

Hi my name is Jodi Hebl. I live in Grand Forksm ND. I Have 4 kids 10

yr old son Rally, 7yr girl Shanel, 2yr girl Autumn and our latest

addition 4mon Cannon. Cannon was born on Feb 1st of 2008. He suffered

brain injury at birth due to placental detachment from uterin

rupture. Cannon spent 21 days in the NICU. He is diagnosed with HIE

(hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy). Cannon had seizures for the first

2 weeks and has since weened of phenobarbital. He also did not suck

or swallow resulting in a Gtube being put in at 18 days old so that

he could finally come home.

He has not started any therapies as of yet and I don't want to

wait any longer to start. I feel that if I can spend hours a day

working with him at home he will do much better than only once a week

at a rehabilition center. His assessments are on June 12 and 19 with

OT, PT, and a Nutrionist.

I have been researching different therapies, IAHP, ABRCANADA,

HBOT, and now have found another Musgutova. There is just so much

information out there it is hard to find the right one for us. Any

help that can be offered would be great. The only probem with all

these great sources is that none are close to ND making it hard to

attend all the course.

I would love to take a series of course and get certified to do

this in our area. I feel that this happened to my family for a reason

and maybe that reason is to help other people in my same situtation.

Thanks Jodi Hebl

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

I am impressed by your courage and investment in helping your child.

A child's best therapist is his or her mother- every time. I am an

OT, and for what it is worth, I have found the Masgutova Method one

of the most helpful in my tool box. WHile you feel overwhelmed with

all of the information that is out there- it is wise to build your

own tool box and take different tools out at different times,

according to what your gut and children tell you, and remember that

you are always the first expert on your child. I wish you and Cannon

all the best on this journey. He is obviously a survivor, and very

lucky to have been born to you. in Maine

>

> Hi my name is Jodi Hebl. I live in Grand Forksm ND. I Have 4 kids

10

> yr old son Rally, 7yr girl Shanel, 2yr girl Autumn and our latest

> addition 4mon Cannon. Cannon was born on Feb 1st of 2008. He

suffered

> brain injury at birth due to placental detachment from uterin

> rupture. Cannon spent 21 days in the NICU. He is diagnosed with HIE

> (hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy). Cannon had seizures for the

first

> 2 weeks and has since weened of phenobarbital. He also did not suck

> or swallow resulting in a Gtube being put in at 18 days old so that

> he could finally come home.

>

> He has not started any therapies as of yet and I don't want to

> wait any longer to start. I feel that if I can spend hours a day

> working with him at home he will do much better than only once a

week

> at a rehabilition center. His assessments are on June 12 and 19

with

> OT, PT, and a Nutrionist.

>

> I have been researching different therapies, IAHP, ABRCANADA,

> HBOT, and now have found another Musgutova. There is just so much

> information out there it is hard to find the right one for us. Any

> help that can be offered would be great. The only probem with all

> these great sources is that none are close to ND making it hard to

> attend all the course.

>

> I would love to take a series of course and get certified to do

> this in our area. I feel that this happened to my family for a

reason

> and maybe that reason is to help other people in my same situtation.

>

>

>

> Thanks Jodi Hebl

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

Welcome to the group! If you'd like to contact me offline, I can tell you

our experiences with ABR Canada and IAHP and what I have learned about HBOT.

The Masgutova Method is a very powerful method and works well with other

modalities and therapies. We have done many things in the past for my son

and we have used the Masgutova Method with great benefit and have integrated

it with other things we are doing.

You are right that your child will benefit so much more if you can work with

him at home in addition to conventional PT/OT who will only see him once a

week. I would love to see you become a practitioner and develop a base of

support for yourself and this work in ND. There are parents are on this

list who have done just what you propose -- becoming trained in this work

and are growing a base of parents and professionals in their area who use

this method. I'd like to help you get started by offering suggestions on

what you can do in your area. Please contact me val-freitas@... or

925-803-8574.

Svetlana talks about how are children are already winners three times over

right from birth and your son is also a winner at least four times over

because he also has a mother like you who is positive and proactive and

seeking out ways to help him and because of that his possibilities have

already been increased dramatically! So, I admire and applaud you for the

wonderful mother that you are! Hope to hear from you soon.

[Guest guest]

HELLO KAYLEEN!

MY NAME IS KATHY. I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU AND YOUR HUBBY, KEITH, HAVE BEEN

GOING THROUGH SUCH A HARD TIME!

MY HUSBAND, LENNY, AND I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.

WE DO NOT KNOW YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH YOUR SURGEON, AND I HOPE OTHER MEMBERS

CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT ISSUE...AS WE ARE A GREAT GROUP...REALLY SUPPORTIVE

AND REALLY HELPFUL TO EACHOTHER.

THE GROUP LEADER'S NAME IS MIKE...AND HE IS A GREAT GUY!!

I HAVE HAD CHRONIC PAIN NOW FOR 25YEARS...I HAVE A CONDITION CALLED

RSD...WHICH I AM SURE THERE ARE A TON OF MEMBERS WITH THIS ALSO.

I HOPE YOU FIND YOUR ANSWERS HERE AND PLEASE KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL HERE TO

HELP AND TO EVEN GIVE A GIGGLE TO EACHOTHER WHEN REALLY NEEDED.

TAKE CARE!

KATHY

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[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Thank you for the welcome. I am not worried about handling the surgeon

I can do that on my own. It's just frustrating:( I'm curious how

others are finding the use of the stimulators over the long term as

well as individual's personal experience right after surgery.

Look forward to reading everyone's responses,,

Kayleen

>

> HELLO KAYLEEN!

>

> MY NAME IS KATHY. I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU AND YOUR HUBBY, KEITH,

HAVE BEEN

> GOING THROUGH SUCH A HARD TIME!

>

> MY HUSBAND, LENNY, AND I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING

FROM.

>

> WE DO NOT KNOW YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH YOUR SURGEON, AND I HOPE OTHER

MEMBERS

> CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT ISSUE...AS WE ARE A GREAT GROUP...REALLY

SUPPORTIVE

> AND REALLY HELPFUL TO EACHOTHER.

>

> THE GROUP LEADER'S NAME IS MIKE...AND HE IS A GREAT GUY!!

>

> I HAVE HAD CHRONIC PAIN NOW FOR 25YEARS...I HAVE A CONDITION CALLED

> RSD...WHICH I AM SURE THERE ARE A TON OF MEMBERS WITH THIS ALSO.

>

> I HOPE YOU FIND YOUR ANSWERS HERE AND PLEASE KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL

HERE TO

> HELP AND TO EVEN GIVE A GIGGLE TO EACHOTHER WHEN REALLY NEEDED.

>

> TAKE CARE!

>

> KATHY

>

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[Guest guest]

hello, karl!!

i am sorry to hear that you are having issues with your stim...hopefully if

you give it the time to scar into place, hopefully those weird things will

stop!

how old are your kids? I am blessed with a 17 year old daughter. My

husband and I still cannot believe that she is going to college next year.

I really hope that your stim takes away your pain...keep your fingers

crossed!

welcome to the group! there are a great amount of really kind people here.

the group owner's name is Mike. He is a great guy!! his compassion and

efforts have made this group possible!!

wishing you luck!!

kathy

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[Guest guest]

i had mine fited in march and so far its been a pain in the arse, the

unit is always catching on things that i hold close to my body, but

having said that , its a god-send as far as it affords me the comfort

i need to get back to work and to look after my children " being a

single dad " ITS STILL GIVING WIERD RESULTS EVERY TIME I USE IT due to

the electrodes not having settled into place yet, but its well worht

the surgery

karl xx

> >

> > HELLO KAYLEEN!

> >

> > MY NAME IS KATHY. I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU AND YOUR HUBBY, KEITH,

> HAVE BEEN

> > GOING THROUGH SUCH A HARD TIME!

> >

> > MY HUSBAND, LENNY, AND I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE

COMING

> FROM.

> >

> > WE DO NOT KNOW YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH YOUR SURGEON, AND I HOPE

OTHER

> MEMBERS

> > CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT ISSUE...AS WE ARE A GREAT GROUP...REALLY

> SUPPORTIVE

> > AND REALLY HELPFUL TO EACHOTHER.

> >

> > THE GROUP LEADER'S NAME IS MIKE...AND HE IS A GREAT GUY!!

> >

> > I HAVE HAD CHRONIC PAIN NOW FOR 25YEARS...I HAVE A CONDITION

CALLED

> > RSD...WHICH I AM SURE THERE ARE A TON OF MEMBERS WITH THIS ALSO.

> >

> > I HOPE YOU FIND YOUR ANSWERS HERE AND PLEASE KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL

> HERE TO

> > HELP AND TO EVEN GIVE A GIGGLE TO EACHOTHER WHEN REALLY NEEDED.

> >

> > TAKE CARE!

> >

> > KATHY

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hello to the Group,

> I'm Kayleen from Ohio and my husband just had a medtronic

> stimulator installed 5/28/08. ALmost 2 years ago he had a fusion at

> L4/L5 and started experiencing chronic pain issues from that

surgery.

> (now failed back syndrome). After the stim was implanted it is

doing a

> great job with the chronic pain but he has so much surgical site

> discomfort. He is a big guy (6'4 " and about 300 #)and his back

muscles

> are very strong so I am assuming that due to the amount of

> manipulation they needed to do to implant the leads would possibly

> lead to some deep muscle tissue injury that will take a while to

heal.

> His luck has always been if there is some sort of exception to the

> rule then he will be that exception:)

>

> I joined this group hoping to get some information from others who

> have gone through this stage and can tell us if what he is

> experiencing is normal or not? His PM doctor is GREAT and very

> supportive but the surgeon is an jerk and I have called and faxed a

> letter to him with my concerns and opinions of our experience. We

have

> a follow up appt in July so I will have a face to face discussion

with

> him at that time.

>

> Any information would be much appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> Kayleen &

> Ohio

>

Welcome to the group. Your husband ordeal simlar to mine. I had a L-

4 5 Anterior lumbar fusion which failed to take the nerve pain away.

It helped but not enough. So 6 years ago had a Medtronic stimulator

put in it reduce the amount of nerve pain i have i still have

stabbing shooting pain but the Stimulator changes the nerve pain

signal i get a dulll acky type pain now. I am 6ft 1 and 220lb and

yes there scar tissue pain from the implanted stimulator which was

put in then removed and changed the wires added 3 wires which now

helps me with low back and legs both If I turn stimulator up high I

cant stand or walk right. and my legs jolt when adjusting signal

freeks my wife out. anyway your husband welcome to post and he will

have to becareful and not over due it. As long as you keep your

limits the pain can be controlled it is when you over due it that

cause problems which he knows nice meeeting you both mike

group owner