Guest guest Posted September 5, 1998 Report Share Posted September 5, 1998 I found this in some old archives I have from e-mails. I found it interesting. It was written by a doctor keep in mind. ><<Subject: Re: Tetanus immune globulin > ><<< What I'm asking is if you could compare what you know about both and some >of the reasoning behind your personal decision that the vaccine is much >safer.>>> > ><<<But what types of things do you think the alcohol fractionation process >misses in the plasma donated by what you consider less-than-desirable donors? >>>> > >The risk of serious reactions to tetanus vaccine is exceedingly rare (although >I have personally witnessed/treated an anaphylactic response to tetanus toxoid >-- see my previous post on this). The risk of adverse reaction increases with >each additional vaccination/booster given. It is quite common to have local >discomfort, and perhaps even swelling and some redness, after a vaccination. >It is possible, but much less common, to have >general " creepy " symptoms for a day or two, even up to a week in rare cases. >But serious reactions with or without long-term sequelae are far lower for >tetanus toxoid than for any other vaccine. The effectiveness of the vaccine >is also the highest of all commercially-available vaccines. > >The organism that causes tetanus (Clostridium tetani) is widely distributed in >soil almost everywhere, especially in climates with abundant rain. Although >the common myth is that " stepping on a rusty nail " is the source of infection, >actually any puncture wound, however minor, can carry the offending organism >into the body. The organism can only grow in the absence of oxygen, so some >type of puncture wound or other relatively deep, narrow >wound is typical. Many ordinary wounds fall into this category, however, the >most common being in people who encounter an unexpected thorn while >gardening..... although the wound itself may seem quite trivial, the >possibility of C. tetani infection is very real. > >Most physicians have never seen a case of tetanus, and are unlikely to even >include it in an initial differential diagnosis when evaluating a patient with >appropriate symptoms. The offending wound may have been so minor that the >patient will not recall it, even in the most detailed of medical histories. >So it is not reasonable to assume that the need for TIG in an unvaccinated >person will be recognized at an appropriate time, because the illness >may not be diagnosed at all. The question of availability of non-expired TIG >is another valid issue. > >The alcohol-fractionation method is highly effective against HIV (which is >actually a fairly fragile virus), but the research that I have read has left >me with many doubts regarding its effectiveness against Hepatitis B and >Hepatitis C. Hep B, especially, is an incredibly durable virus.... it can >survive and remain infectious at room temperatue on a hard surface for at >least a week, even after the surface being washed down with >alcohol!! (This is why my children are all immunized against Hep It can >also survive extremes in temperature. > >The solvent-detergent method is better, but still not 100%. Solvent-detergent >plus heat-treating, followed by alcohol-fractionation appears to be very, very >safe, but this sequence of treatments is quite expensive, and not FDA >required. Alpha Therapeutic Corporation does both solvent-detergent and heat- >treatment procedures -- I don't know for sure about other manufacturers. But >God forbid you should be in need of TIG and be at a small community >hospital and their TIG is from a company that you don't know anything about! > >Food for thought..... > >Dr. Mari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 1998 Report Share Posted September 5, 1998 I have a question for Lana. You said you would consider getting Cody vaccinated against tetanus when he is older (5-6). Do you live in a high-risk area, such as a farm? Or do you believe the tetanus vaccine would be beneficial regardless? We don't live on a farm, but perhaps I should be considering this shot for our daughters. What's everyone's opinion on this? Kate At 06:02 AM 9/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >From: Mark & Lana Clifton <mclifton@...> > >Janet wrote: >Anyway, we haven't continued vaccinating except against tetanus. I'm >not sure that's even a good idea any more, but we live on a farm and we >thought there might be a big risk of tetanus. > >Although I am not pro-vaccine, I agree that the tetanus may be the safer in >the long run, in your situation. The tetanus vaccine is (supposedly) the >less-riskier of them all. Although it STILL contains formaldahyde with a >number of other toxins, it has proven to have far less reactions than the >others. > >Tetanus lives in the manuer of cows, which deposits into the soil, that can >live in the soil for many, many years. If it comes into contact with an >open wound on the leg or foot, it is possible to be infected with >tetanus...which does not have a high recovery rate. > >I have read that proper hygeine and cleaning of the wounds can prevent >infection, but you can't always expect children to come running home >whenever they get a boo-boo. > > >I have also considered getting tetanus for our son. Not now, or for the >next few years...but prolly when our son gets to be around 5-6--about the >time when he starts to play on his own. > >Janet wrote: >They say a serious reaction is rare. I have rare children. And I'd >like to KEEP them. ) > >me too :-) > >Lana >mama of Cody Ukiah > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 1998 Report Share Posted September 5, 1998 Hi again, Well tetanus is the only one we really considered. though I'm still very unsure about it. I had this is an old e-mail: From 1990 through 1995 there have been an average of 49.6 cases of tetanus per year in the United States. Compared to total population, that means approximately 1 in 5,198,200 people contract tetnaus. There is a 20% mortality rate for tetanus if properly treated. That means that approx 1 in 25,000,000 people will die of tetanus in any given year. About 1800 people per year are struck by lightning and there is a 25% morality rate for this event. 1 in 143,240 are struck by lightning and 1 in 573,000 die. This is a lot of numbers BUT: You are 44 times more likely to die from lightning than from tetanus. I have also read what Lana had to say about it living in the manuer of cows but I also read conflicting reports to that so this one is hard, who do you believe?. There are only an average of 2 people here a year that get tetanus(2 million people live in my province) and most doctor will NEVER see a case. We also live in a big city. I'm still unsure and would love to hear other views! I have a question for Lana. You said you would consider getting Cody vaccinated against tetanus when he is older (5-6). Do you live in a high-risk area, such as a farm? Or do you believe the tetanus vaccine would be beneficial regardless? We don't live on a farm, but perhaps I should be considering this shot for our daughters. What's everyone's opinion on this? Kate At 06:02 AM 9/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >From: Mark & Lana Clifton <mclifton@...> > >Janet wrote: >Anyway, we haven't continued vaccinating except against tetanus. I'm >not sure that's even a good idea any more, but we live on a farm and we >thought there might be a big risk of tetanus. > >Although I am not pro-vaccine, I agree that the tetanus may be the safer in >the long run, in your situation. The tetanus vaccine is (supposedly) the >less-riskier of them all. Although it STILL contains formaldahyde with a >number of other toxins, it has proven to have far less reactions than the >others. > >Tetanus lives in the manuer of cows, which deposits into the soil, that can >live in the soil for many, many years. If it comes into contact with an >open wound on the leg or foot, it is possible to be infected with >tetanus...which does not have a high recovery rate. > >I have read that proper hygeine and cleaning of the wounds can prevent >infection, but you can't always expect children to come running home >whenever they get a boo-boo. > > >I have also considered getting tetanus for our son. Not now, or for the >next few years...but prolly when our son gets to be around 5-6--about the >time when he starts to play on his own. > >Janet wrote: >They say a serious reaction is rare. I have rare children. And I'd >like to KEEP them. ) > >me too :-) > >Lana >mama of Cody Ukiah > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 1998 Report Share Posted September 5, 1998 Hi . From reading that, it would seem silly to vaccinate against tetanus. But I guess you have to consider the author's words: " proper treatment " . How long does it take for the tetanus to really take hold? Do you need immediate attention? Cuz that would be hard to do if your child was cut while out playing away from home. And also, in the last article you sent re tetanus, that doctor claimed that people get infected without even realizing they sustained a wound. AAARRGH!!!!! Why can't anything be simple and worry-free? To go back to an earlier question, is anyone else worried about a polio threat due to " post polio syndrome " ? At 08:59 PM 9/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >From: Mom2Q <Mom2Q@...> > > >Hi again, > > >Well tetanus is the only one we really considered. though I'm still very >unsure about it. I had this is an old e-mail: > >>From 1990 through 1995 there have been an average of 49.6 cases of >tetanus per year in the United States. Compared to total population, >that means approximately 1 in 5,198,200 people contract tetnaus. >There is a 20% mortality rate for tetanus if properly treated. That >means that approx 1 in 25,000,000 people will die of tetanus in any >given year. About 1800 people per year are struck by lightning and >there is a 25% morality rate for this event. 1 in 143,240 are struck >by lightning and 1 in 573,000 die. This is a lot of numbers BUT: > >You are 44 times more likely to die from lightning than from tetanus. > >I have also read what Lana had to say about it living in the manuer of cows > but I also read conflicting reports to that so this one is hard, who do >you believe?. There are only an average of 2 people here a year that get >tetanus(2 million people live in my province) and most doctor will NEVER >see a case. We also live in a big city. > >I'm still unsure and would love to hear other views! > > > > >I have a question for Lana. You said you would consider getting Cody >vaccinated against tetanus when he is older (5-6). Do you live in a >high-risk area, such as a farm? Or do you believe the tetanus vaccine >would be beneficial regardless? We don't live on a farm, but perhaps I >should be considering this shot for our daughters. What's everyone's >opinion on this? > >Kate > > >At 06:02 AM 9/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >>From: Mark & Lana Clifton <mclifton@...> >> >>Janet wrote: >>Anyway, we haven't continued vaccinating except against tetanus. I'm >>not sure that's even a good idea any more, but we live on a farm and we >>thought there might be a big risk of tetanus. >> >>Although I am not pro-vaccine, I agree that the tetanus may be the safer >in >>the long run, in your situation. The tetanus vaccine is (supposedly) the >>less-riskier of them all. Although it STILL contains formaldahyde with a >>number of other toxins, it has proven to have far less reactions than the >>others. >> >>Tetanus lives in the manuer of cows, which deposits into the soil, that >can >>live in the soil for many, many years. If it comes into contact with an >>open wound on the leg or foot, it is possible to be infected with >>tetanus...which does not have a high recovery rate. >> >>I have read that proper hygeine and cleaning of the wounds can prevent >>infection, but you can't always expect children to come running home >>whenever they get a boo-boo. >> >> >>I have also considered getting tetanus for our son. Not now, or for the >>next few years...but prolly when our son gets to be around 5-6--about the >>time when he starts to play on his own. >> >>Janet wrote: >>They say a serious reaction is rare. I have rare children. And I'd >>like to KEEP them. ) >> >>me too :-) >> >>Lana >>mama of Cody Ukiah >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 1998 Report Share Posted September 6, 1998 Well, I don't have to worry about cow manure on our little farm. ) But there is manure from everything else, though how likely it is we'll be getting it into cuts is another question. Goat manure is considerably different from cows', and nobody goes into the fields without their shoes. Then again, it is a most excellent fertilizer in the garden. The one and only case of tetanus I've ever heard of was a couple three years back up in Pennsylvania. One of the Mennonite families had a child who fell into a rose bush while playing or something, and got a thorn in his little nose. He got tetanus, and if I remember right, did not live through it. When my daughter was two, she was bitten severely by a dog. The damage was pretty extensive, and on one side of her head, her ear was torn away, and barely attached. The doctors were very negative about it. Since she was completely unvaccinated, they would not stitch the ear back to her head. They said to do so would practically guarantee tetanus. They also said that the ear healing was doubtful..that it was one of the hardest areas to heal up. They gave her some kind of tetanus globulin (?) and they gave her major penicilin to take (after a big shot of it), and taped her ear to her head. After two days I took her back, as the tape prevented air getting to the wound, and the flesh began to literally rot. (Even though I cleaned every reachable area of it several times a day.) They removed the tapes - infection had set in. They doubted she would keep her ear. I had to take her to the doctor every two days for several weeks. All that they did was continue to check her ear for infection. She healed beautifully. Once the tapes were gone, I was able to keep it clean. Air was able to get to it and it improved immediately. Her ear looks like anyone else's just about now, even though there were large chunks torn out and gaps. They were sure plastic surgery would have to be done, but that hasn't had to happen. There is no way it would have healed this nicely, perfectly , if they had sewn it up. I give the credit to God. The whole church was praying for her. ) Janet W. -- The beginnings of our homestead, homeschool, and home business resource page! What else would you like to see placed on it? http://spitfire.cwv.net/~clover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 1998 Report Share Posted September 6, 1998 All the statistics just seem to confuse me further....from the mothering vaccination book, it quoted a death rate of 4-10 out of the 42 cases reported in 1992---thats almost 50%...which gives reason to be of concern. I live outside of a large city, Atlanta; in hopes of moving out towards greener pastures....although it seems to me that tetanus is very, very, rare (at least in the past 20 years) why isn't it more common if it can live in the soil for a long time??..you would think many, many people would contract tetanus .......food for thought. Lana mama of Cody At 08:59 PM 9/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >From: Mom2Q <Mom2Q@...> > > >Hi again, > > >Well tetanus is the only one we really considered. though I'm still very >unsure about it. I had this is an old e-mail: > >>From 1990 through 1995 there have been an average of 49.6 cases of >tetanus per year in the United States. Compared to total population, >that means approximately 1 in 5,198,200 people contract tetnaus. >There is a 20% mortality rate for tetanus if properly treated. That >means that approx 1 in 25,000,000 people will die of tetanus in any >given year. About 1800 people per year are struck by lightning and >there is a 25% morality rate for this event. 1 in 143,240 are struck >by lightning and 1 in 573,000 die. This is a lot of numbers BUT: > >You are 44 times more likely to die from lightning than from tetanus. > >I have also read what Lana had to say about it living in the manuer of cows > but I also read conflicting reports to that so this one is hard, who do >you believe?. There are only an average of 2 people here a year that get >tetanus(2 million people live in my province) and most doctor will NEVER >see a case. We also live in a big city. > >I'm still unsure and would love to hear other views! > > > > >I have a question for Lana. You said you would consider getting Cody >vaccinated against tetanus when he is older (5-6). Do you live in a >high-risk area, such as a farm? Or do you believe the tetanus vaccine >would be beneficial regardless? We don't live on a farm, but perhaps I >should be considering this shot for our daughters. What's everyone's >opinion on this? > >Kate > > >At 06:02 AM 9/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >>From: Mark & Lana Clifton <mclifton@...> >> >>Janet wrote: >>Anyway, we haven't continued vaccinating except against tetanus. I'm >>not sure that's even a good idea any more, but we live on a farm and we >>thought there might be a big risk of tetanus. >> >>Although I am not pro-vaccine, I agree that the tetanus may be the safer >in >>the long run, in your situation. The tetanus vaccine is (supposedly) the >>less-riskier of them all. Although it STILL contains formaldahyde with a >>number of other toxins, it has proven to have far less reactions than the >>others. >> >>Tetanus lives in the manuer of cows, which deposits into the soil, that >can >>live in the soil for many, many years. If it comes into contact with an >>open wound on the leg or foot, it is possible to be infected with >>tetanus...which does not have a high recovery rate. >> >>I have read that proper hygeine and cleaning of the wounds can prevent >>infection, but you can't always expect children to come running home >>whenever they get a boo-boo. >> >> >>I have also considered getting tetanus for our son. Not now, or for the >>next few years...but prolly when our son gets to be around 5-6--about the >>time when he starts to play on his own. >> >>Janet wrote: >>They say a serious reaction is rare. I have rare children. And I'd >>like to KEEP them. ) >> >>me too :-) >> >>Lana >>mama of Cody Ukiah >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 1998 Report Share Posted September 8, 1998 At 08:55 AM 9/8/98 -0600, you wrote: >From: ssollinger@... > >Regarding tetanus: according to Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, the Amish, who clearly >should be at the greatest risk of contracting tetanus, as they actually >manually work in their fields, almost never get tetanus, even though they are >not vaccinated. I have no problem at all stating that getting vaccinated for >tetanus is not necessary. > >You must have just read my mind!! I have been wondering how many of the few reported cases of tetanus were actually unvaccinated. A part of my mind can't help but question if the vaccine efficacy may have anything to do with the rareity of this disease; considering majority is vaccinated. My dh (darling husband) is really concerned about getting this for our son in the next few years. Most of the research we have found states that tetanus can be deposited in the soil from cow manuer and can live there for many, many years. Our only concern with tetanus is for when our son gets old enough to play on his own; and proper hygeine is the least of his worries. Lana mama of Cody Ukiah >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1998 Report Share Posted October 2, 1998 Great question!! It looks like the tetanus shot for babies and for adults contain the same amount(5Lf). Now to answer your question why?...I don't know. I'll do some more research on this and let you know. The Td is given to adults(reduced diphtheria): Each dose (0.5 mL) contains: tetanus toxoid (5 Lf.), diphtheria toxoid (2 Lf.) and aluminum phosphate 1.5 mg. Thimerosal 0.01% is added as a preservative. The DT is given to children: Each 0.5 mL dose contains: diphtheria toxoid (25 Lf.) tetanus toxoid (5 Lf.) and aluminum phosphate 1.5 mg. Thimerosal 0.01% is added as a preservative P.S. The amounts of tetanus are the same in the DPT, DaPT and the DPTHib shots too. TETANUS From: s <mkpeters@...> A question: If a tetanus vaccine gives 10 years of protection, why do babies have 4 shots before their 2nd birthday? Are they given only 1/4 doses? Kate ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1998 Report Share Posted October 2, 1998 Ok this is the info I had but wanted to double check it: You need to get the 3 shots (then the 4th a year later) as a series in order to develop adequate antibodies/immunity. Then every 10 years, beginning around age 11, you need a booster as your immunity starts to wane. For inactive vaccines, like tetanus, the first dose usually does not provide protection. This protection does not usually happen until the second or third dosage. The fourth is basically for " insurance " . The antibody titers will(decrease) " wane " after a few years and that is why a booster is needed. Hope that answers your question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1998 Report Share Posted October 3, 1998 Thanks for the info ! Kate At 07:06 PM 10/2/98 -0600, Mom2Q wrote: >From: Mom2Q <mom2q@...> > > >Ok this is the info I had but wanted to double check it: > >You need to get the 3 shots (then the 4th a year >later) as a series in order to develop adequate antibodies/immunity. Then >every 10 years, beginning around age 11, you need a booster as your >immunity >starts to wane. >For inactive vaccines, like tetanus, the first dose usually does not >provide protection. This protection does not usually happen until the >second or third dosage. The fourth is basically for " insurance " . The >antibody titers will(decrease) " wane " after a few years and that is why a >booster is needed. > >Hope that answers your question! > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 1999 Report Share Posted January 29, 1999 In a message dated 1/28/99 10:55:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, mom2q@... writes: << Personally the only vaccine we even considered was tetanus for our daughter, even now we are still not going to do it. >> Me too! And the good thing about this one is you can wait till you actually need it. So, if steps on an old rusty nail ... we will give him a tetanus shot ... but we are not gonna do it until we have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 1999 Report Share Posted January 29, 1999 In a message dated 1/29/99 1:03:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, pdmej@... writes: << We were giving him (unknowns to the Drs) a remedy for tetanus, since they were so concerned that they may pass it on to him. The National Vaccine Information Center and PROVE here in Texas were a great source of information and comfort. I would suggest everyone subscribes the NVIC, >> What did you give him? Do you have subscription info for NVIC? PS. Thanks for the great info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 1999 Report Share Posted January 29, 1999 Just to make things more confusing!!!! If your child steps on a rusty nail, etc. and you take him in to get a tetanus shot, you would have to have already received the recommended dosage for it to be effective. Otherwise, you would want the tetanus immune globulin which is made from humans who have been given the tetanus inoculations and the antibodies have been separated. Therefore, I would make sure it has been screened very well before accepting. I only know this because our 3yo has recently been in the hospital for a staff infection and they wanted us to give him the tetanus inoculation and immune globulin. Blah,blah,blah. We refused the tetanus inoculation immediately because we have never had him immunized for tetanus. After reading the manufacture's insert for the immune globulin that clearly states that the immune globulin has never been tested for safety or efficacy on pediatrics, (among other things that it stated that we didn't like) we refused that one to. To say that the DR's were unhappy was an understatement. We were giving him (unknowns to the Drs) a remedy for tetanus, since they were so concerned that they may pass it on to him. The National Vaccine Information Center and PROVE here in Texas were a great source of information and comfort. I would suggest everyone subscribes the NVIC, you never know when you will need information immediately or help to stick to your guns. They responded within hours of our request. If anyone wants any more info on Tetanus, let me know. Re: tetanus >From: CynNDirk@... > >In a message dated 1/28/99 10:55:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, mom2q@... >writes: > ><< Personally the only vaccine we even considered was tetanus for our >daughter, > even now we are still not going to do it. >> > >Me too! And the good thing about this one is you can wait till you actually >need it. So, if steps on an old rusty nail ... we will give him a >tetanus shot ... but we are not gonna do it until we have to. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 1999 Report Share Posted January 29, 1999 i would like more info on tetanus. That is one vaccine I havw been considering. Any info you have on the seriousness of the disease and instances of those not vaccinated getting it. Thanks- Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 Hi, Janet. My gosh, what a horrible thing for you all to have gone through. I am so glad that your daughter has recovered so well and plastic surgery is not necessary. As to your question why they don't just treat serious wounds (in those unvaccinated against tetanus) with penicillin, and eliminating the TIG - I think that penicillin alone would not do it. The TIG is providing unvaccinated individuals with passive immunity (antibodies) to tetanus, and the penicillin is added protection for fighting infection. If someone came down with tetanus, it would require (based on my literature) drastic treatment, including muscle relaxants, sedatives, antibiotics, immune globulin and antitoxens, a low-stimulus environment and often feeding through a stomach tube, possibly an artificial airway being required. It is obviously not something anyone wants. << Since that time, I've read a little about the immunoglobin, and I find it unsettling that it's a substance that could give a person various diseases, like a blood transfusion could give someone hepatitis, etc..or at least that is my understanding. >> Here's what " The Vaccine Guide " says about TIG (tetanus immune globulin, human). " Tetanus immune globulin (human) has not been associated with reactions. Since it is a product made from human serum, it may contain infectious material, though this possibility is highly unlikely. All globulin products are tested for contamination by known pathogens such as hepatitis and HIV viruses. The alcohol fractionation process used in the production of TIG is a further safeguard, since this processing destroys such contaiminating microorganisms. " It further says, under Vaccine Efficacy: " The effectiveness of Tetanus Immune Globulin (TIG) in protecting previously unvaccinated individuals at the time of injury is more difficult to document. It is not possible to conduct controlled studies in humans. Judging the efficacy of tetanus immune globulin in the prevention of tetanus must be accomplished by measuring antibody responses after injection and by clinical experience. TIG raises antibodies in previously non-immune individuals to levels that indicate adequate protection from tetanus for at least 28 days (McComb & Dwyer, 1963). In addition, the record of tetanus immune globulin in the prevention of fatalities from tetanus is also extremely good. Clinical experience with TIG has led to a high level of confidence in the immune globulin's ability to prevent tetanus and death from tetanus when used in adequate doses within the prescribed interval following injury. There have been rare cases of fatalities in individuals who received tetanus immune globulin soon after injury (, 1969), but it is generally assumed that one dose of TIG will provide protection from tetanus when administered soon after an injury. " (Please note that, while these references go back to the 60s, " The Vaccine Guide " was published in 1996 - it is current.) To give the other side of the coin here, this is one vaccine on which this author seems to be " middle of the road " . He says " I cannot recommend the tetanus toxoid vaccine for most children because of the unknown risks from long-term effects of the vaccine. However, if a child has a high likelihood of exposure or is traveling to a foreign country where sanitation is poor and the incidence of tetanus is higher than the US, then tetanus vaccine administration should be seriously considered. " He goes on to say that a child under the age of 2 is likely not at risk for tetanus. Hope this helps. Cathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Marsha, Would you like the manufacturers package inserts on tetanus and measles vaccines? If so, I can forward them to you privately. Just let me know. If you're new to researching vaccines, I would really suggests getting some books suggested by others on this list. They are the best beginning as they are more in depth. Sebastiana At 08:12 AM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: >I would like to know what people think about vaccinating or not a >preschool-aged child for Tetanus. I understand that the vaccine probably >does not have life-long protection. What are the potential recorded >side-effects of the vaccine and what are the risks and rate of the disease? > >As I said before, my son starts preschool this fall and I am becoming more >concerned about the illnesses that he is likely to be exposed to -- I know >Tetanus is not one but it is something he is potentially exposed to every >day he walks barefoot or falls or whatever. I am also still considering the >measles vaccine. What are the risks of the disease vs the risks of the >vaccine? Are there balanced websites that can help answer my questions? <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 I have done some research but none recently. I tend to forget much of what I read soon after I read it! I would appreciate it if you would forward those inserts to me. Marsha > Re: Tetanus > > > From: Sebastiana <pienaar@...> > > Marsha, > > Would you like the manufacturers package inserts on tetanus > and measles vaccines? If so, I can forward them to you > privately. Just let me know. > > If you're new to researching vaccines, I would really > suggests getting some books suggested by others on this list. > They are the best beginning as they are more in depth. > > Sebastiana > > > At 08:12 AM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I would like to know what people think about vaccinating or not a > >preschool-aged child for Tetanus. I understand that the > vaccine probably > >does not have life-long protection. What are the potential recorded > >side-effects of the vaccine and what are the risks and rate > of the disease? > > > >As I said before, my son starts preschool this fall and I am > becoming more > >concerned about the illnesses that he is likely to be > exposed to -- I know > >Tetanus is not one but it is something he is potentially > exposed to every > >day he walks barefoot or falls or whatever. I am also still > considering the > >measles vaccine. What are the risks of the disease vs the > risks of the > >vaccine? Are there balanced websites that can help answer > my questions? > <snip> > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 1999 Report Share Posted July 29, 1999 TETANUS AND POLIO VACCINES -SOME FACTS FOR PARENTS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THESE DISEASES by Viera Scheibner (Jan 1998) Mrs J Woods letter in the Summer 1997 edition of The Informed Parent inspired me to write this letter to the Editor of TIP. J Wood stopped any further vaccinations when she realised that her fully vaccinated child developed a most frightening episode of whooping cough and suffered chronic ill health for years because of all those vaccines injected into his system. Interestingly, the specialist confirmed to her that the child’s immune system was not very strong, but the GP called her irresponsible when she decided not to continue with any further vaccine injections (I would not worry very much about a GP's advise since GP's in the UK labour under a major monetary conflict of interest in vaccinating). She stood her ground, however, but is still worried about diseases like tetanus and polio. 1. Tetanus is a very rare disease in developed countries: there are only about 12 cases of tetanus per year in Australia, and half of those who got it were vaccinated. Perhaps the most interesting thing about tetanus is that those who get it do not develop immunity to it. How does one get tetanus? Well, from deep puncture wounds. In other words the pathogen (Clostridium tetani) is literally injected into the body via the deep puncture wounds. Vaccine injection does the same thing: it bypasses the normal portals of entry (the mouth and nose) and delivers the pathogen and toxins straight into the blood stream which triggers an unnatural, abnormal, deranged immune response called sensitisation. Far from immunising, tetanus (and other) vaccine injections make the recipients more susceptible to diseases. J. Wood clearly saw it in her child: chronic ill health, recurrent coughs and colds for years. It is very likely, that the obvious improvements of her child's health was achieved by him finally developing whooping cough in its acute form. --any parents report either a marked improvement or disappearance of 'asthma' after their vaccinated children developed acute whooping cough. Medical research demonstrated that having whooping cough prevents asthma. One must wonder how much of that 'asthma' is just a chronic whooping cough as a result of the vaccinated child's immune system being deranged by vaccination and not being able to mount a proper, acute, immune response. If this does not make sense, then perhaps something else will: the New England Journal of Medicine published in 1984 that tetanus booster injections result in the same derangement of T4 and T8 cells as seen in AIDS patients. A 'mysterious' new syndrome emerged in the US: thousands of children are developing AIDS symptoms (with deranged T4 and T8 cells) without being HIV positive My well-considered opinion is that it comes from that T (standing for tetanus) in the DPT vaccine. 2. Polio has been painted as some natural scourge of humanity. Yet, epidemics and outbreaks of polio in Europe go back to only less than 100 years. The 1949-50 and later outbreaks of polio were demonstrably caused by intensified diphtheria and whooping cough vaccination, tonsillectomies, other injections (painkillers) and a variety of traumas. They invented a name for it: provocation poliomyelitis. Even though this has not been discussed in literature, the earliest outbreaks were no doubt triggered by intensified smallpox vaccination. The evidence for this connection comes from Egyptian excavations: some mummies had withered limbs; but of course, variolation (a crude form of smallpox inoculation) has been practised thousands of years ago, and most particularly, in Egypt. When the first, injectable, polio vaccine was tested on 1.8 million American children, within a few days they had a huge epidemic of paralytic polio: in the vaccinated, their parents and other contacts. They called it the Cutter incident and claimed that some of the vaccines (produced by the Cutter Laboratories) contained live polio virus. So, the company withdrew their vaccines despite polio vaccines produced by other manufacturers also causing paralysis in this outbreak. The OP vaccines are officially causing paralysis, allegedly only 10-12 reported cases per year in the USA. The word 'reported' is the key word here. With the mass use of the polio vaccines and continuing occurence of polio in the vaccinated, the necessity arose to redefine the disease polio. The classical definition of polio is a disease with residual paralysis which resolves within 2 months (usually within days). The new definition of polio now is 'a disease with residual paralysis persisting for more than 60 days.' This is the secret formula of 'eradication' of polio. Children are still getting polio, but those cases which resolve within 60 days (which represent some 90% of cases) are not diagnosed as polio. A new disease emerged: viral meningitis and as the incidence of polio plummeted, so did the incidence of viral meningitis sky rocketed. The best (and perhaps most frightening) example of these " elegant administrative moves " is how they allegedly eliminated polio in the Americas (meaning South America). The Journal of Infectious Diseases published in 1991 the results of a major vaccination drive between 1985 and 1989 to eliminate polio. Within 4 months they had a huge outbreak of paralytic polio (350 cases). They decided to reformulate the vaccine. Now if this outbreak had occurred in the unvaccinated they would not have had to reformulate the vaccine. The outbreak occured in the vaccinated. However, the outbreaks with ever increasing number of reported cases of 'flaccid paralysis' in the vaccinated continued. So what did they do? They started discarding most of the reported cases of flaccid paralysis. Out of 2094 reported cases they only 'confirmed' 130, the rest (1964) were discarded. They published a graph which shows ever increasing number of reported cases as shadowy columns in the background and the ever decreasing numbers of confirmed cases as black columns in the forefront. I praise them for publishing it this way: any discerning and unbrainwashed reader can see very clearly what happened in the Americas between 1985 - 1989: mass vaccination caused sustained outbreaks of paralytic polio and they tried to camouflage it by discarding the vast majority of cases. When they finally stopped the program in 1989, even the number of reported cases (shown as those shadowy columns in the background) went down. The same happened in other countries: huge epidemics of paralysis followed mass-vaccination drives. How many vaccines does the child need to be protected? Children are given ever increasing numbers of 'boosters'. Why? This trend makes sense only when you consider that all those outbreaks and epidemics of any 'vaccine preventable' diseases occur in the vaccinated. The vaccines are ineffective. A shortage of space does not allow me to elaborate more on this interesting subject' There is only one immunity: the natural immunity which is achieved by children going through infectious diseases of childhood. They are here to prime and mature the immune system of children and they represent developmental milestones. Perhaps more on this subject in some of the next issues of TIP. Some problems with infectious diseases are results of mismanagement: if a child with severe measles is given antibiotics instead of vitamin A and C and its fever is suppressed you are asking for trouble. And last but not least: no matter how worried anybody is about diseases, one should remember one important thing, namely that vaccines do not prevent diseases, they make you sick. www.whale.to/vaccines Tetanus I would like to know what people think about vaccinating or not a preschool-aged child for Tetanus. I understand that the vaccine probably does not have life-long protection. What are the potential recorded side-effects of the vaccine and what are the risks and rate of the disease? As I said before, my son starts preschool this fall and I am becoming more concerned about the illnesses that he is likely to be exposed to -- I know Tetanus is not one but it is something he is potentially exposed to every day he walks barefoot or falls or whatever. I am also still considering the measles vaccine. What are the risks of the disease vs the risks of the vaccine? Are there balanced websites that can help answer my questions? Also, are there requirements for travel to Europe? I am not anti-vaccine, although my son has only had two Hib and none other. I am pro-choice. Although I believe is pro-vaccine, I think his questions make us think more about our decisions and the reasons for our decisions. Hearing both sides is what informed choice is about. Marsha, always searching, always questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 1999 Report Share Posted August 16, 1999 I wrote up a " brief " , of sorts, on the diseases and their risks. This is what I have on tetanus. Someone correct me if any of the info is wrong. Tetanus - the big one that most non-vacc parents consider the most. Tetanus spores (a bacteria) are around us constantly, even in cities. They're just found in large concentrations in the manure of farm animals, thus is why country kids are more at risk of getting it. They also cannot survive in an aerobic environment (ie scratch) so that's why puncture wounds are the big thing about it, because they can't get any air. Well, improper wound cleaning has alot to do with it. And there are lots of homeopathics to prevent tetanus - and there are only about 50 cases reported a year (yet the vaccine wears off every 10 years and most adults DON'T go in to get boosters) so it, too, must not be that prevalent. If you are faced with the situation, you can always get the immunoglobin while in the hospital being treated, though I personally wouldn't risk this because it's made from human blood products, and who knows what could be in them (like before we discovered HIV) (The actual shot cannot be given at this time as a preventative, because you need a series of them to build up immunity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 Tetanus > Somebody asked about tetanus, it may have been on another list. I have a question as well. I grew up beleiving that if you stepped on a nail or cut yourself with something you had to go and get a tetanus shot. Why is this shot necessary for puncture wounds, especially if you do not live on a farm. Also, if my three year old were to cut himself on a piece of glass and he needed a few stitches would it be necessary to have a tetanus shot, or is it just something that relates to metal objects? Thanks for clarifying, Ali May be something here http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/tetanus.html > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2000 Report Share Posted May 21, 2000 http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/tetanus.html tetanus > Hello, I would like to know about Tetanus vaccine side effects. I know that MMR > is related to autism for example and I was wondering about Tetanus. My son is 1 > year old and unvaccinated but I am considering this vaccine. I appreciate any > and all information. Thank you > and > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > 1/4053/7/_/489317/_/958962579/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2000 Report Share Posted June 26, 2000 , Thank God you did not, because I as a Mom I know the Dtap shot to well Brittany had a severe reaction to it.and is a special needs child now. Way to stand up to those doctors, good for you. I have a two month year old named na and had to tell the doc no way, no hep B. Poor Brittany reacted to that one to. I learned real quick with her. Sincerely, a mother of Brittany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2000 Report Share Posted June 26, 2000 ....I just wanted to say that your pediatrician seems really awesome! That's great that she was willing to call around for you about a ped tetnus! I wish more doctors were accomodating to parental belief and authority....unlike the ER doctor you encountered!!!! Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2000 Report Share Posted June 26, 2000 How frustrating. I don't agree with you homeopath, even about Tetanus and neither do all the homeopaths I know. And to routinely give Vaccinosis, eeks. But anyway. You wouldn't have been helped at that point by a tetanus shot anyway as you have to have had it way before the injury. Plus that type of injury is not typically where tetanus would do harm - basically deep puncture wounds where there is no oxygen (although sometimes severe burns with lots of dead tissue). By cleaning and letting it bleed, you are doing the best. Tetanus Immune Globulin is what they use in a non-vaccinated person at the time of injury which is a blood product. It is not a vaccine so the remedy that was given doesn't relate at all. It sounds like its some sort of remedy for vaccine damage. But, I applaud you on doing the best that you could and you did VERY well in that situation. Everyone needs to be prepared for the what ifs like this. Prepare, rehearse, have it thought out so you aren't taken off guard. I'll repost some of the tetanus articles I have for the newcomers. Thanks for sharing that, Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Bookstore - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2000 Report Share Posted June 26, 2000 In a message dated 6/26/00 11:52:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, snakken@... writes: << Tetanus Immune Globulin is what they use in a non-vaccinated person at the time of injury which is a blood product >> RIght, I knew that. but the ER doc tried to tell me that it " helps " and he should have the regular vaccine along with the BayTet. I really didn't feel it was a risk, but it was a hard decision and the baytet seemed fairly safe, so I went ahead and did it. It was a very hard decision. I kno tet is more in puncture wounds...but it's hard to decide in that sort of situation. Also, some people say that tet never happens and so forth, and others act like you ill surely end up with it...it's hard to be a parent. Sigh... I feel it worked out fairly well. I think part of the reason she gave me vaccinosis was because it had tet in it? Gotta go. Kids being wild!!! www.diapers.bizland.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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