tetanus

[Guest guest]

At 02:58 PM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Kelli,

>Something else I found interresting in THE VACCINE GUIDE, page 101, is

that he says that if your child never has the tetanus vaccine, or hasn't

had at least 2 doses of the tetanus vaccine - there is another option that

can be given, if there is a cut that is tetanus threatening. Here's the

quote.

>

> " For individuals who have had less than two previous injections of tetanus

toxoid, an injection of Tetenus Immune Globulin, Human (TIG), is

administered for serious wounds. This vaccine introduces antibodies

directly into the body to fight tetanus bacteria. this process is known as

passive immunization; the body does not develop its own antibodies. The

antibody levels achieved with TIG are sufficient to protect against tetanus

if the injection is given within 72 hours after the injury. For

individuals who have previously received two or more tetanus toxoid

injections at any time in their lives, a single booster dose of toxoid will

produce enough antibody response to prevent tetanus of the booster is given

within 72 hours after an injury. " ....

The tetanus immune globulin is a blood product. Do you want to put a

blood product in your child in this day and age?

It is not a vaccine, but globulin that comes from thousands of people's

pooled blood.

>

>He emphasizes that good wound care is the most important precaution in the

entire equasion whether tetanus is a possible threat, or not.

This is the main thing!

Sheri

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In a message dated 03-30-01 11:31:56 PM Central Standard Time,

montgom@... writes:

<< Interestingly I met a doc today that said that of all

the vax he is LEAST concerned about children receiving Tetanus. Said that

as long as you are near soap and water it isn't a big threat. He thought it

was odd that I was so worried about THAT one >>

Kelli,

Wise doctor!.. for this statement.

Thanks for sharing!

Kim

[Guest guest]

>Hi, everyone,

>

>I haven't written in quite a while, but have enjoyed reading messages and

gleaning great info from them.

>

>Now, though, spring is here, we can get back outside in Maine, and I am

being pressured by family to vaccinate for Tetanus. I've gone back to

previous postings, etc., but still need reassurance that not administering

the Tetanus vaccine is a reasonable choice.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

And you have a WONDERFUL homeopath in MAINE who's article I will post shortly

Will , MD

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm

And I encourage everyone to go thru the archives (we have jsut been

discussing this the last few weeks and seem to go over and over and over it!

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530-478-1242 Voicemail

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

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women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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[Guest guest]

That's interesting. We lived on a small farm in SE Ohio beginning

in '76. In the early 80's one of our 4 horses died of Tetnus, from a

small cut on his leg. The death was horrible, horrible, horrible.

And my mother, who loved this horse, suffered greatly.

Luster

> I don't know if this really means much when it comes to people but

when I was a teen I did see a horse die of tetanus,

> he belonged to my friend and had not been vaccinated. He had

gotten a very slight cut on his leg. This was in Ohio,

> apparently it is in the soil around here.

>

> My own kids did grow up on a a small farm with initially all farm

animals, and then only rabbits and goats. This was

> back in the '70s and they were fully vaccinated.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/19/01 5:30:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sandoz@... writes:

> On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that

> kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are

> kept in real clean environments.

>

> It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little

> bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh,

> err... 'stimulate' their immune systems!

>

>

I totally agree, but I'm such a picky person, its hard to let go and not wash

hands every five minutes.......... I need to let go a little, I panic when I

see my 2 year old on top of a slide ready to go down, and he always makes it

just fine....

(Probably another thing for Mann to look at - right Sheri?)

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER

[Guest guest]

ROFLMAO!! Oh isn't that the truth! I come in from being out at the barn filthy

from head to toe! The worst part is having butt length hair.... oh the things

that get caught in my hair...even when it's pulled up!!

On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that kids

that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are kept in real

clean environments.

It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little bits

of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh, err...

'stimulate' their immune systems!

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: Ives

Makes sense!

Any any horseperson knows that there is no way you can work around horses and

not get scraped, scratched, and VERY dirty! (If not, your doing something wrong

LOL!)

CT

[Guest guest]

Here are some links on the subject of exposure to germs benefitting the

immune system, at least up to a point.

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/july2001/giveusthisday.htm

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/august2001/e%2Dnewsasthmaincrease.h

tm

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/june2001/strengthimmsys.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/07/000719110937.htm

http://www.childcarecanada.org/ccin/2000/ccin8_24_00.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/healthscience/134293715_clean13.html

http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/pr/hmm/w00_01/germs.html

Sandy from Alaska

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REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Tetanus

ROFLMAO!! Oh isn't that the truth! I come in from being out at the barn

filthy from head to toe! The worst part is having butt length hair.... oh

the things that get caught in my hair...even when it's pulled up!!

On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that

kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are kept

in real clean environments.

It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little

bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh,

err... 'stimulate' their immune systems!

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: Ives

Makes sense!

Any any horseperson knows that there is no way you can work around horses

and not get scraped, scratched, and VERY dirty! (If not, your doing

something wrong LOL!)

CT

[Guest guest]

At 10:16 PM 11/19/2001 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 11/19/01 5:30:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>sandoz@... writes:

>

>

>> On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that

>> kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are

>> kept in real clean environments.

>>

>> It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little

>> bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh,

>> err... 'stimulate' their immune systems!

>>

>>

>

>I totally agree, but I'm such a picky person, its hard to let go and not

wash

>hands every five minutes.......... I need to let go a little, I panic

when I

>see my 2 year old on top of a slide ready to go down, and he always makes it

>just fine....

>(Probably another thing for Mann to look at - right Sheri?)

Yup!

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Hey!

Do we share long lost twin 4 year olds or something? Man... my son can find a

way to get dirty or injure himself faster than anyone else I know! And my 15

month old is following in his footsteps...

Ya know, I wonder how much healthier our society would be if people would get

out of their stuffy office buildings/houses, and go play in the dirt more! I

really feel like part of being healthy, is being 'natural', and nothing feels

more natural than being outside! I grew up in a real outdoorsy type family with

all kinds of animals, and in spite of not always making the healthiest choices

in life... I've always been very healthy.

Anyway...it's nice to know other people let their kids run loose and be kids

too!

And yep, I recognize you from horse lists too! I'm on both the lists you

mentioned... and have both (barefoot and healthy horses!! LOL!!)

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: Ives

When I brought my daughter in for her 4 y/o checkup, I though for sure the

ped. was going to arrest me for abuse! She was covered in healing mosquito

bites from camping (looked like old cigarette burns), had scraped up knees,

bruises on her shins from running and falling, and her knees seem to get so

stained, I just can't get the dirt out no matter how much I wash! He just

laughed and said she looked like a perfecty healthy, active 4 year old!

BTW - don't I recognize you from a horse list, maybe healthyhorse or

barefootedhorses?

CT

[Guest guest]

thanks i am not good at finding them thanks for your help

amy

ohio

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 9

Carrigian 5

4

Chaela Noelle Almost 1

from the mouth of a 4 yr old

" your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

<A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett

bunch</A>

[Guest guest]

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock4.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/tetanus1.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/tetanus.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/tetanus6.html

http://nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

Sooo much info on Tetanus on these great sites!!

HTH, Jen and others.....

Oh and welcome Jen! :-D

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/11/02 4:08:38 PM GTB Standard Time, saragubits@...

writes:

<<

if unvaxed child gets cut by rusty nail, what can be done? If he gets

Tetanus its very deadly.. what shall be done?

>>

RUSTY nails are not the issue...puncture wounds are......the key is to wash

out all wounds and allow oxygen to get in there.Encourage blood flow is good.

From a 1943 book(modern home medical advisor)

" The germs of tetanus live in the intestinal tracts of cattle,horses,and

man.Because the germ are fairly widespread it is remarkable that the disease

in not more common.Apparently however it is necessary for the germs to get

deep into the tissue through a wound in order to multiply and produce the

disease. "

emedicine.com has a good page on what would be done allopathically to treat

this disease.Note that both the tet toxoid and TD/Td vaccines contain

thimerosal.

Sara

[Guest guest]

At 02:06 PM 02/11/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>is tetanus vax safe?

>

>if unvaxed child gets cut by rusty nail, what can be done? If he gets

>Tetanus its very deadly.. what shall be done?

>

>

You really need to go to my webpages - and go through them ONE by ONE.

There is tons there.

Yes the tetanus vaccine is very dangerous - I have many many reports from

people damaged - even given tetanus like symptoms from the vaccine.

The disease is NOT necessarily deadly.

Read the webpages

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

It is not about a rusty nail - the rust has nothing to do with it.

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[Guest guest]

no vax is safe. anyone who steps into a rusty nail,

the first aid measure, in my opinion, would be: clean

with 1:4 calendula mother tincture : water, then give

one ledum c30. sheri am i right here?

my family spent 2 1/2 years in the middle of the

desert, with all sorts of dangers, including that of

stepping into rusty nails. none of us are vaxed

against tetanus and we're still as healthy as before.

smiles,

claudia

--- saragubits <saragubits@...> wrote:

> is tetanus vax safe?

>

> if unvaxed child gets cut by rusty nail, what can be

> done? If he gets

> Tetanus its very deadly.. what shall be done?

>

>

=====

I am a Spiritual being having a Human experience.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanna,

There is an archive at where you can find all of the messages posted.

I think you just go to and then find the vaccinations list

you're subbed to and the archives will be there. This is better than having

old messages reposted to the list - which is already keeping us pretty busy!

:-)

Take care,

Meryl

-----Original Message-----

From: joanna athome [mailto:joanna_at_home@...]

Hi,

I know we covered tetanus about two weeks ago but for some reason I didn't

file any of the postings. I must have a blind spot with tetanus. Can

someone post some information on the vaccine and alternative methods of

treating the 'rusty nail'.

Thanks in advance

Joanna

[Guest guest]

At 04:49 AM 03/04/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>

>Hi,

>

>I know we covered tetanus about two weeks ago but for some reason I didn't

file any of the postings. I must have a blind spot with tetanus. Can

someone post some information on the vaccine and alternative methods of

treating the 'rusty nail'.

>

>Thanks in advance

>

>Joanna

>

My website ;-)))))))))))))))

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

when in doubt ALWAYS look at my website

and also info in the files section for homeopathy treatment on the list

website>

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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[Guest guest]

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock4.html

Tetanus vaccine

by Bronwyn Hancock

The tetanus vaccine is no more effective than any of the others. It also is

counterproductive. It will INCREASE, NOT decrease the risk of tetanus, and many

people actually get tetanus from the vaccine.

The annual REPORTED cases of tetanus in Australia don't reach double figures

(despite the fact that most people exposed probably would have not had a booster

for a long time and therefore would be considered susceptible), and yet in my

relatively small circle of contact (compared to the country's population) I have

come across a couple of cases where immediately after the vaccine the recipient

got the classic symptoms of tetanus and it was not reported, or even diagnosed

as a possibility.

All vaccine injections are DOCUMENTED to SENSITISE the recipient. Sensitisation

is the OPPOSITE of immunisation. The way they get their figures of 98-99%, etc

" effectiveness " of the vaccine is by checking for the presence of IgG

antibodies. The presence of these antibodies, however, does NOT mean immunity -

this is a totally false assumption. In fact they cannot even get the body to

produce any significant numbers of these WITHOUT including those toxic,

SENSITISING chemicals in the vaccine, called adjuvants ( " Dirty Secrets " , New

Scientist, Nov 1996). So the presence of these antibodies is probably actually

showing the OPPOSITE of immunisation, i.e. that the person has been sensitised

by the vaccine. What a wonderful achievement.

So really, giving a child a tetanus vaccine is like getting them to stand on a

busy road in the hope of minimizing their chances of getting run over. Of course

this is not to mention all the other problems the vaccine can cause, all

reflecting the derailing effect on the immune system. Only some, of course, are

listed on the product insert (included already in a recent email to this list).

There is a man I interviewed and have on the video, called Ron Lyons, who got

chronic fatigue syndrome from a tetanus vaccine, as had his father, and then his

own son (when his ex-wife vaccinated him without Ron's consent).

Viera has come across an article in NEJM (either 1983 or 1984) where they found

the ratio of T4 to T8 cells after tetanus vaccination to be similar to the ratio

that is found in AIDS patients. The best safeguard against illness from tetanus,

apart from general overall health, is to ensure the wound is open and clean. The

tetanus toxoid is anaerobic, so it can only proliferate in the absence of

oxygen.

Addition:

However what I also like to talk about these days in relation to tetanus I don't

seem to have included here. It is that tetanus is an illustration of one reason

that vaccines do not work.

Normally once you contract a disease and fully recover from it, you are hen

immune to that specific disease for the rest of your life. However you may have

heard that this is not the case with tetanus - on the contrary, people are

actually sensitised to it, so are in fact MORE likely to get it again in the

future.

The reason for this is that since tetanus is an anaerobic bacteria, it is hard,

well I expect impossible, to contract it through a form of exposure where it

comes in through the normal portals of entry - the mouth, the nose, the mucous

membranes, the tonsils, etc., because that would require the bacteria surviving

exposure to oxygen.

Consequently, you can only get it through some kind of injury such as a splinter

or similar where it has been able to get straight into the body via a deep

puncture wound bypassing exposure to oxygen. However this also means that you

are bypassing the natural portals of entry, which are the outer levels of

defence.

Unfortunately, the outer levels of defence have important roles in the immune

system, including crucial involvement in the process of.... DEVELOPING IMMUNITY.

So the upshot of all that is that if the antigen is injected via a deep puncture

wound, you cannot bring immunity. On the contrary, the effect is sensitisation.

And what are vaccine injections? Why, deep puncture wounds. Further, the

sensitisation effect of vaccines is well documented, even to the extent of being

in standard medical dictionaries.

The oral polio vaccine is not a deep puncture wound, but the magnitude of the

assault of the vaccine strain of virus (ironically more virulent than the wild

virus) with the accompanying toxins and the interference with the gut flora,

i.e. still harming the outer levels of defence, still appears to have a

sensitisation effect. Further, when you realise that we needed vaccination to

provoke polio in the first place, with the first known outbreak not occurring

until mass smallpox vaccination 100 years ago, well then you realise that

avoiding the administration of the other vaccines almost entirely removes any

threat of polio anyway.

Regards,

Bronwyn

[Guest guest]

Not only was he overreacting, he was negligent. The tetanus vaccine is

NOT to be administered to anyone who has not had the initial 3-dose

course of vaccine. Instead, tetanus immunoglobulin is to be used - not

the vaccine and immunoglobulin. I would be a lot more worried about my

child having a reaction to those shots than to her getting tetanus. She

should make sure the wound has been oxygenated - maybe with hydrogen

peroxide - and perhaps consider seeing a homoeopath or another health

practitioner who might be able to support her immune system.

Take care,

Meryl

Tetanus

I have a friend who has not had her kids vaxed. Yesterday her 3 year old

daughter stepped on a rusty nail. They brought the girl to the ER. The

doctor

was furious and told my friend her daughter has a 45% chance of getting

tetanus. The opened the cut up to clean it and debreathe it. They gave

the

girl a tetanus shot and a immunoglobulin and they all lectured her. Now

my

friend is worried her daughter is going to get sick and die. Was this

doctor

overreacting?

[Guest guest]

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock4.html

Tetanus vaccine

by Bronwyn Hancock

The tetanus vaccine is no more effective than any of the others. It also is

counterproductive. It will INCREASE, NOT decrease the risk of tetanus, and

many people actually get tetanus from the vaccine.

The annual REPORTED cases of tetanus in Australia don't reach double

figures (despite the fact that most people exposed probably would have not

had a booster for a long time and therefore would be considered

susceptible), and yet in my relatively small circle of contact (compared to

the country's population) I have come across a couple of cases where

immediately after the vaccine the recipient got the classic symptoms of

tetanus and it was not reported, or even diagnosed as a possibility.

All vaccine injections are DOCUMENTED to SENSITISE the recipient.

Sensitisation is the OPPOSITE of immunisation. The way they get their

figures of 98-99%, etc " effectiveness " of the vaccine is by checking for

the presence of IgG antibodies. The presence of these antibodies, however,

does NOT mean immunity - this is a totally false assumption. In fact they

cannot even get the body to produce any significant numbers of these

WITHOUT including those toxic, SENSITISING chemicals in the vaccine, called

adjuvants ( " Dirty Secrets " , New Scientist, Nov 1996). So the presence of

these antibodies is probably actually showing the OPPOSITE of immunisation,

i.e. that the person has been sensitised by the vaccine. What a wonderful

achievement.

So really, giving a child a tetanus vaccine is like getting them to stand

on a busy road in the hope of minimizing their chances of getting run over.

Of course this is not to mention all the other problems the vaccine can

cause, all reflecting the derailing effect on the immune system. Only some,

of course, are listed on the product insert (included already in a recent

email to this list). There is a man I interviewed and have on the video,

called Ron Lyons, who got chronic fatigue syndrome from a tetanus vaccine,

as had his father, and then his own son (when his ex-wife vaccinated him

without Ron's consent).

Viera has come across an article in NEJM (either 1983 or 1984) where they

found the ratio of T4 to T8 cells after tetanus vaccination to be similar

to the ratio that is found in AIDS patients. The best safeguard against

illness from tetanus, apart from general overall health, is to ensure the

wound is open and clean. The tetanus toxoid is anaerobic, so it can only

proliferate in the absence of oxygen.

Addition:

However what I also like to talk about these days in relation to tetanus I

don't seem to have included here. It is that tetanus is an illustration of

one reason that vaccines do not work.

Normally once you contract a disease and fully recover from it, you are hen

immune to that specific disease for the rest of your life. However you may

have heard that this is not the case with tetanus - on the contrary,

people are actually sensitised to it, so are in fact MORE likely to get it

again in the future.

The reason for this is that since tetanus is an anaerobic bacteria, it is

hard, well I expect impossible, to contract it through a form of exposure

where it comes in through the normal portals of entry - the mouth, the

nose, the mucous membranes, the tonsils, etc., because that would require

the bacteria surviving exposure to oxygen.

Consequently, you can only get it through some kind of injury such as a

splinter or similar where it has been able to get straight into the body

via a deep puncture wound bypassing exposure to oxygen. However this also

means that you are bypassing the natural portals of entry, which are the

outer levels of defence.

Unfortunately, the outer levels of defence have important roles in the

immune system, including crucial involvement in the process of....

DEVELOPING IMMUNITY.

So the upshot of all that is that if the antigen is injected via a deep

puncture wound, you cannot bring immunity. On the contrary, the effect is

sensitisation. And what are vaccine injections? Why, deep puncture wounds.

Further, the sensitisation effect of vaccines is well documented, even to

the extent of being in standard medical dictionaries.

The oral polio vaccine is not a deep puncture wound, but the magnitude of

the assault of the vaccine strain of virus (ironically more virulent than

the wild virus) with the accompanying toxins and the interference with the

gut flora, i.e. still harming the outer levels of defence, still appears to

have a sensitisation effect. Further, when you realise that we needed

vaccination to provoke polio in the first place, with the first known

outbreak not occurring until mass smallpox vaccination 100 years ago, well

then you realise that avoiding the administration of the other vaccines

almost entirely removes any threat of polio anyway.

Regards,

Bronwyn

[Guest guest]

Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to

the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already

suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when

I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia

and chronic myofascial pain syndrome:

http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm

This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of

tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain.

[Guest guest]

At 02:07 AM 07/09/2002 EDT, you wrote:

>Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to

>the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already

>suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist

when

>I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into

fibromyalgia

>and chronic myofascial pain syndrome:

>http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm

>

>This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of

>tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain.

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AGain, so sorry. KNow your story from before.

Have you ever been able to see a homeopath?

Sheri

PS - I'm a student now and able to see patients with a supervisor - come to

UK for holiday and homeopathy ;-)

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[Guest guest]

I guess I should call myself blessed that I only have intermittent joint pain at

this time from my tetanus shot. I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering.

Kay

Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to

the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already

suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when

I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia

and chronic myofascial pain syndrome:

http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm

This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of

tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain.

[Guest guest]

Kay and ,

You may or may not be aware that I am a strong advocate of mineral therapy. For

what it is worth, my Mineral 'Bible' Mineral Deficiencies in Human Cells

says......

Tetanus .....magnesium phophate, potassium phosphate and potassium chloride.

Most people are deficient in some mineral or other which sets up a

predisposition to a particular illness and each mineral represents a particular

symptom. It is quite complicated but that is a very simplistic overview. To

diagnose with 100% certainty, you need to know if symptoms are worse morning or

night, effected by hot or cold, seasons etc.

Joanna

mkphilpot <mkphilpot@...> wrote: I guess I should call myself

blessed that I only have intermittent joint pain at this time from my tetanus

shot. I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering.

Kay

Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to

the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already

suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when

I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia

and chronic myofascial pain syndrome:

http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm

This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of

tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain.

[Guest guest]

What is the name of this mineral book?

Laurie>Oh

my Mineral 'Bible'

Most people are deficient in some mineral or other which sets up a

predisposition to a particular illness and each mineral represents a particular

symptom.

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

Its called " Mineral Deficiencies in Human Cells " by M.C.H. Blackmore. He was

Australia's first naturopath. It is only available through Blackmore

Laboratories in Sydney. Where abouts are you....

Joanna

BirthWarrior <mlandes2@...> wrote: What is the name of this

mineral book?

Laurie>Oh

my Mineral 'Bible'

Most people are deficient in some mineral or other which sets up a

predisposition to a particular illness and each mineral represents a particular

symptom.