tetanus

July 5, 2000

jennifer,

i do not have this problem with the tetanus vax, i have it with the

meningitis vax. i think both of us worry too much about a disease that

affects so few people each year (and some that are vaxed anyway), i try not

to be so concerned about my baby getting meningitis, but i do worry about in

nonetheless, same as tetanus, many pediatricians/doctors go thru their whole

careers without ever seeing a case of it--that's how rare it is, yet here we

are both very afraid that our littles will get it--i can only say that for

me, i do worry and at every sore neck/fever etc. it races through my mind

that, " ohmigod, he must have it!! " , but of course, he never has and probably

never will. it is hard, and it seems some of us (here on this list), just

have one of these (disease) that hangs on us that we just can't quite

comfortably forget about. and " they " say we're such bad parents ;o). IMHO,

you will most likely never have to really fear tetanus, even if your kid is

the type that gets out there and into " stuff " , but you just need to try to be

comfortable with yoru decision not to vax, personally i will not ever vax out

of fear or ingnorance ever again, but that's a decision i have made. good

luck and try not to worry--too much. )

brigit

July 18, 2000

At 12:55 AM 07/19/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much about tetanus, but it is not

>caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the soil?

>

>______________________________________________________________________

>

>Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by simply washing cuts very

>carefully?

>

>Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection caused by soil. Because

>tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is impossible to clean the injury

>that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses are used

>

>Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is by vaccination and not by

>simply washing a dirty wound

Grief, he doesn't even know how to sound like a doctor.

Of course the best thing you can do is cleanse the injury. And not its not

caused by soil.

Sheri

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July 19, 2000

It's caused by the clostridium tetani bacterium that's found in the soil. It's

an anaerobic bacterium, which means that it can only survive in the absence of

oxygen. That means the wound has to be pretty deep to get an infection (like a

punctire wound). So it would be hard to clean it out well enough, but I have

heard it's possible. Anyone else know? The other thing I'm confused about is,

I've read a few times that you can only get tetanus where there are horses

around, but I've known someone who got it by puncturing his thumb with a rusty

wire (in the city - no horses around).

Jcannand@... wrote:

> Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much about tetanus, but it is not

> caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the soil?

>

> ______________________________________________________________________

>

> Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by simply washing cuts very

> carefully?

>

> Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection caused by soil. Because

> tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is impossible to clean the injury

> that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses are used

>

> Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is by vaccination and not by

> simply washing a dirty wound

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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July 19, 2000

Tetanus is caused by a Bacterium, Clostridium Tetani. If ingested, it

rarely produces any effects. A puncture wound can (and does, at a rate

of

about 100 per year in the US, more in other countries) cause lockjaw.

Clostridium Tetani spores thrive almost exclusively in feces and manure

(particularly horse manure).

Dawn Pfaff

On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:55:29 EDT Jcannand@... writes:

> Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much about tetanus, but it

> is not

> caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the soil?

>

> ______________________________________________________________________

>

> Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by simply washing

> cuts very

> carefully?

>

> Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection caused by soil.

> Because

> tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is impossible to clean the

> injury

> that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses are used

>

> Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is by vaccination

> and not by

> simply washing a dirty wound

>

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July 23, 2000

Just thought I would tell you something I learned. My

MIL told me that when you get a puncture wound or even

cut yourself to soak the wound in hot water and Dial

soap.

My brother-in-law stepped on a rusty nail years ago

and she did that soaking and he was fine..nothing

wrong with him! I cut my finger accidentally with a

knife I was using to cut chicken. I soaked it in the

hot water with liquid dial soap until the water turned

cool. My cut healed fine and it healed fast too.

--- Levy <1levy1@...> wrote:

> It's caused by the clostridium tetani bacterium

> that's found in the soil. It's

> an anaerobic bacterium, which means that it can only

> survive in the absence of

> oxygen. That means the wound has to be pretty deep

> to get an infection (like a

> punctire wound). So it would be hard to clean it

> out well enough, but I have

> heard it's possible. Anyone else know? The other

> thing I'm confused about is,

> I've read a few times that you can only get tetanus

> where there are horses

> around, but I've known someone who got it by

> puncturing his thumb with a rusty

> wire (in the city - no horses around).

>

> Jcannand@... wrote:

>

> > Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much

> about tetanus, but it is not

> > caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the

> soil?

> >

>

______________________________________________________________________

> >

> > Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by

> simply washing cuts very

> > carefully?

> >

> > Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection

> caused by soil. Because

> > tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is

> impossible to clean the injury

> > that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses

> are used

> >

> > Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is

> by vaccination and not by

> > simply washing a dirty wound

> >

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Missing old school friends? Find them here:

> >

>

1/7079/10/_/489317/_/963982541/

> >

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

July 24, 2000

Does anyone know the connection between rust and tetanus?

r owens wrote:

> Just thought I would tell you something I learned. My

> MIL told me that when you get a puncture wound or even

> cut yourself to soak the wound in hot water and Dial

> soap.

> My brother-in-law stepped on a rusty nail years ago

> and she did that soaking and he was fine..nothing

> wrong with him! I cut my finger accidentally with a

> knife I was using to cut chicken. I soaked it in the

> hot water with liquid dial soap until the water turned

> cool. My cut healed fine and it healed fast too.

>

> --- Levy <1levy1@...> wrote:

> > It's caused by the clostridium tetani bacterium

> > that's found in the soil. It's

> > an anaerobic bacterium, which means that it can only

> > survive in the absence of

> > oxygen. That means the wound has to be pretty deep

> > to get an infection (like a

> > punctire wound). So it would be hard to clean it

> > out well enough, but I have

> > heard it's possible. Anyone else know? The other

> > thing I'm confused about is,

> > I've read a few times that you can only get tetanus

> > where there are horses

> > around, but I've known someone who got it by

> > puncturing his thumb with a rusty

> > wire (in the city - no horses around).

> >

> > Jcannand@... wrote:

> >

> > > Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much

> > about tetanus, but it is not

> > > caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the

> > soil?

> > >

> >

> ______________________________________________________________________

> > >

> > > Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by

> > simply washing cuts very

> > > carefully?

> > >

> > > Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection

> > caused by soil. Because

> > > tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is

> > impossible to clean the injury

> > > that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses

> > are used

> > >

> > > Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is

> > by vaccination and not by

> > > simply washing a dirty wound

> > >

> >

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > > Missing old school friends? Find them here:

> > >

> >

> 1/7079/10/_/489317/_/963982541/

> > >

> >

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 24, 2000

no connection with rust. just that old nails may have been in dirt

contaminated with soil and they just happen to be rusty because they are old.

At 08:24 AM 07/24/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Does anyone know the connection between rust and tetanus?

>

>r owens wrote:

>

>> Just thought I would tell you something I learned. My

>> MIL told me that when you get a puncture wound or even

>> cut yourself to soak the wound in hot water and Dial

>> soap.

>> My brother-in-law stepped on a rusty nail years ago

>> and she did that soaking and he was fine..nothing

>> wrong with him! I cut my finger accidentally with a

>> knife I was using to cut chicken. I soaked it in the

>> hot water with liquid dial soap until the water turned

>> cool. My cut healed fine and it healed fast too.

>>

>> --- Levy <1levy1@...> wrote:

>> > It's caused by the clostridium tetani bacterium

>> > that's found in the soil. It's

>> > an anaerobic bacterium, which means that it can only

>> > survive in the absence of

>> > oxygen. That means the wound has to be pretty deep

>> > to get an infection (like a

>> > punctire wound). So it would be hard to clean it

>> > out well enough, but I have

>> > heard it's possible. Anyone else know? The other

>> > thing I'm confused about is,

>> > I've read a few times that you can only get tetanus

>> > where there are horses

>> > around, but I've known someone who got it by

>> > puncturing his thumb with a rusty

>> > wire (in the city - no horses around).

>> >

>> > Jcannand@... wrote:

>> >

>> > > Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much

>> > about tetanus, but it is not

>> > > caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the

>> > soil?

>> > >

>> >

>> ______________________________________________________________________

>> > >

>> > > Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by

>> > simply washing cuts very

>> > > carefully?

>> > >

>> > > Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection

>> > caused by soil. Because

>> > > tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is

>> > impossible to clean the injury

>> > > that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses

>> > are used

>> > >

>> > > Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is

>> > by vaccination and not by

>> > > simply washing a dirty wound

>> > >

>> >

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> > > Missing old school friends? Find them here:

>> > >

>> >

>> 1/7079/10/_/489317/_/963982541/

>> > >

>> >

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> >

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Old school buds here:

>> 1/7081/10/_/489317/_/964366378/

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

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July 24, 2000

In a message dated 7/24/00 4:58:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

thagerty@... writes:

<< Besides, I checked with my kids' homeopath/MD and he confirmed my idea

that if a wound was infected with tetanus or anything else, we would *know*

it by looking at it and have the opportunity to treat the person before

his/her jaw

locked (or otherwise became very ill). >>

I have never heard that...I have read, even in homeopathic books, that the

wound can look great, heal perfectly, and tetanus can show up weeks later. If

the opposite is true, I would be thrilled, but I have never heard, seen, or

read anything saying that the wound would show signs.

www.diapers.bizland.com

July 24, 2000

yes, I 'm sure your right - you always hear about that rusty nail.

Sherii

At 12:56 PM 07/24/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>OK - thanks for clearing that up. It's scary how easy it is to be

misinformed.

>I think that's a common belief that rust is related to getting tetanus.

>

>Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

>> no connection with rust. just that old nails may have been in dirt

>> contaminated with soil and they just happen to be rusty because they are

old.

>>

>> At 08:24 AM 07/24/2000 -0700, you wrote:

--------------------------------------------------------

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

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July 24, 2000

OK - thanks for clearing that up. It's scary how easy it is to be misinformed.

I think that's a common belief that rust is related to getting tetanus.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

> no connection with rust. just that old nails may have been in dirt

> contaminated with soil and they just happen to be rusty because they are old.

>

> At 08:24 AM 07/24/2000 -0700, you wrote:

> >Does anyone know the connection between rust and tetanus?

> >

> >r owens wrote:

> >

> >> Just thought I would tell you something I learned. My

> >> MIL told me that when you get a puncture wound or even

> >> cut yourself to soak the wound in hot water and Dial

> >> soap.

> >> My brother-in-law stepped on a rusty nail years ago

> >> and she did that soaking and he was fine..nothing

> >> wrong with him! I cut my finger accidentally with a

> >> knife I was using to cut chicken. I soaked it in the

> >> hot water with liquid dial soap until the water turned

> >> cool. My cut healed fine and it healed fast too.

> >>

> >> --- Levy <1levy1@...> wrote:

> >> > It's caused by the clostridium tetani bacterium

> >> > that's found in the soil. It's

> >> > an anaerobic bacterium, which means that it can only

> >> > survive in the absence of

> >> > oxygen. That means the wound has to be pretty deep

> >> > to get an infection (like a

> >> > punctire wound). So it would be hard to clean it

> >> > out well enough, but I have

> >> > heard it's possible. Anyone else know? The other

> >> > thing I'm confused about is,

> >> > I've read a few times that you can only get tetanus

> >> > where there are horses

> >> > around, but I've known someone who got it by

> >> > puncturing his thumb with a rusty

> >> > wire (in the city - no horses around).

> >> >

> >> > Jcannand@... wrote:

> >> >

> >> > > Isn't this a bit misleading? I don't know much

> >> > about tetanus, but it is not

> >> > > caused by soil, is it? Isn't it something in the

> >> > soil?

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> ______________________________________________________________________

> >> > >

> >> > > Community member question: Can I avoid tetanus by

> >> > simply washing cuts very

> >> > > carefully?

> >> > >

> >> > > Dr. Offit: Tetanus is bacterial infection

> >> > caused by soil. Because

> >> > > tetanus can be introduced very deeply, it is

> >> > impossible to clean the injury

> >> > > that deeply. That's why shots and booster doses

> >> > are used

> >> > >

> >> > > Dr. Offit: The best way to prevent tetanus is

> >> > by vaccination and not by

> >> > > simply washing a dirty wound

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> > > Missing old school friends? Find them here:

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> 1/7079/10/_/489317/_/963982541/

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> >

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> Old school buds here:

> >> 1/7081/10/_/489317/_/964366378/

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> >------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com:

> >1/7075/10/_/489317/_/964441675/

> >------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> --------------------------------------------------------

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July 24, 2000

>>Besides, I checked with my kids' homeopath/MD and he confirmed my idea

that if a wound was infected with tetanus or anything else, we would *know*

it by looking at it and have the opportunity to treat the person before

his/her jaw

locked (or otherwise became very ill).<<

What would you look for in the wound/how would the appearance be different??

July 24, 2000

At 04:59 PM 07/24/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>>>Besides, I checked with my kids' homeopath/MD and he confirmed my idea

>that if a wound was infected with tetanus or anything else, we would *know*

>it by looking at it and have the opportunity to treat the person before

>his/her jaw

>locked (or otherwise became very ill).<<

>

>What would you look for in the wound/how would the appearance be different??

>

I don't know what they meant by that. Of course an infection would be

visible - swollen, red, pus, painful, etc. But I'm not sure that tetanus

in a wound would be obvious.

I don't really agree with this statement.

I'll ask Joan what she meant by this

Sheri

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October 22, 2000

At 07:36 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello everyone. I am trying to find info on Tetanus vaccines. It seems that

>several of my group members have searched online and off for info about the

>vacc. Does anyone have any good info about this? It seems to be a toss up

>about whether vacc. for tetanus would be a good thing or not. Thanks for the

>help! :-) Nanci

>

No toss up to me! Bad news vaccine once again.

See my webpage for details. If there is anything that isn't there, I will

forward to you personally. But I think most of what I have is there.

Sheri

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October 22, 2000

At 07:36 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello everyone. I am trying to find info on Tetanus vaccines. It seems that

>several of my group members have searched online and off for info about the

>vacc. Does anyone have any good info about this? It seems to be a toss up

>about whether vacc. for tetanus would be a good thing or not. Thanks for the

>help! :-) Nanci

>

No toss up to me! Bad news vaccine once again.

See my webpage for details. If there is anything that isn't there, I will

forward to you personally. But I think most of what I have is there.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-272-7306

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October 22, 2000

Thanks Sheri, I will do that! Nanci

At 07:36 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello everyone. I am trying to find info on Tetanus vaccines. It seems that

>several of my group members have searched online and off for info about the

>vacc. Does anyone have any good info about this? It seems to be a toss up

>about whether vacc. for tetanus would be a good thing or not. Thanks for

the

>help! :-) Nanci

>

No toss up to me! Bad news vaccine once again.

See my webpage for details. If there is anything that isn't there, I will

forward to you personally. But I think most of what I have is there.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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March 29, 2001

Hello. My husband and I are going to Peru in July for our ministry group

with our church and they have said we should get a tetanus shot. I say

absolutely not... I know what's in that vax! Please help me remember the

other reasons so I can support my case with my group and hopefully change

my husband's mind about getting his. Thanks.

Margaret White

March 29, 2001

At 08:19 AM 03/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Hello. My husband and I are going to Peru in July for our ministry group

>with our church and they have said we should get a tetanus shot. I say

>absolutely not... I know what's in that vax! Please help me remember the

>other reasons so I can support my case with my group and hopefully change

>my husband's mind about getting his. Thanks.

>

>Margaret White

>

YOu going to be walking on nails that have been in cow poop in Peru??? A

special tour - like a fire-walk tour - but only walking on nails?????

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

4 adults emailed me in last few months with serious reactions to tetanus

vaxs, 1 teen (serious!), and one 8 year old.

All of them wish they had never gotten it.

Sheri

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March 29, 2001

Thank you!

Margaret White

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At 08:19 AM 03/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Hello. My husband and I are going to Peru in July for our ministry group

>with our church and they have said we should get a tetanus shot. I say

>absolutely not... I know what's in that vax! Please help me remember the

>other reasons so I can support my case with my group and hopefully change

>my husband's mind about getting his. Thanks.

>

>Margaret White

>

YOu going to be walking on nails that have been in cow poop in Peru??? A

special tour - like a fire-walk tour - but only walking on nails?????

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

4 adults emailed me in last few months with serious reactions to tetanus

vaxs, 1 teen (serious!), and one 8 year old.

All of them wish they had never gotten it.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-478-1242 Voicemail

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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March 30, 2001

Kelli-

For what it's worth, I share your concerns and your questions on that

particular vaccine/disease. The research I did said that even minor cuts or

bug bites could result in tetanus, though the overall risk of this disease is

very, very low. I felt this one was tough b/c it doesn't seem to be the same

type of disease as some of the others, where you can feel like the things you

do to boost your child's immunity will make a difference. I'm sure it does

make a difference, but like you said, there are no definitive answers on any

of this. Much of it I feel, comes down to trusting in whatever holistic

methods you are doing or what you believe in. Someone else mentioned the

book " The Vaccine Guide... " He says in there something that I agreed with

about tetanus - this one really comes down to a matter of parental comfort

level. The treatment is very invasive and extensive for tetanus and I found

I couldn't sleep at night worrying about it anymore. I choose to vacc.

against tetanus only. I do believe it was the right choice for our

situation, but even still, not perfect. I hated putting that garbage into my

son's body. I find this whole issue to be a constant struggle - no easy

answers! Good luck to you!

-

<< This disease scares me. Still trying to decide how to proceed on this

one... SO I'm curious what the non-vaxing folk do for Tetanus prone

injuries? I know about the homeopathic remedy Ledum. Any other courses of

action? I'm not trying to be scary or annoying, but I'm trying to imagine

actually dealing with this illness.

I'm also curious if anyone has good info about how a strong and healthy

immune system handles Tetanus. With the other diseases we're talking about,

the danger is coming from a bacteria or a virus. From my understanding, the

danger in Tetanus is the toxin that the bacteria release in an anaerobic

environment. (Correct me if I'm off here). So will the toxin do it's thing

no matter what if the conditions are right? Or can a strong immune system

knock it out? (There is probably no way to know the answer here- who knows

how many people could have contracted Tetanus but didn't...) Nevertheless,

any researched info on this would be enlightening.

>>

March 30, 2001

Hi,

You can get the monovalent tetanus vaccine if you ask your ped.--probably

will have to write a prescription. Then, at least it is only one type of

vaccine to deal with in your child's body.

March 30, 2001

At 04:39 PM 03/30/2001 EST, you wrote:

>Kelli-

>For what it's worth, I share your concerns and your questions on that

>particular vaccine/disease. The research I did said that even minor cuts or

>bug bites could result in tetanus, though the overall risk of this disease

is

>very, very low.

That is absolutely ludicrous.

I felt this one was tough b/c it doesn't seem to be the same

>type of disease as some of the others, where you can feel like the things

you

>do to boost your child's immunity will make a difference. I'm sure it does

>make a difference, but like you said, there are no definitive answers on any

>of this. Much of it I feel, comes down to trusting in whatever holistic

>methods you are doing or what you believe in.

You trust in your child's immune system. It really takes steeping yourself

in reading the information on mywebsite and others for months and months.

Someone else mentioned the

>book " The Vaccine Guide... " He says in there something that I agreed with

>about tetanus - this one really comes down to a matter of parental comfort

>level. The treatment is very invasive and extensive for tetanus and I found

>I couldn't sleep at night worrying about it anymore. I choose to vacc.

>against tetanus only. I do believe it was the right choice for our

>situation, but even still, not perfect. I hated putting that garbage into

my

>son's body. I find this whole issue to be a constant struggle - no easy

>answers! Good luck to you!

Again, huge reactions from tetanus vaccines - people I've talked with

personally recently.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

Your comfort level gets stronger, higher?? after you read and understand

the truth about illness, tetanus, etc.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-478-1242 Voicemail

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

March 30, 2001

At 05:12 PM 03/30/2001 EST, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>You can get the monovalent tetanus vaccine if you ask your ped.--probably

>will have to write a prescription. Then, at least it is only one type of

>vaccine to deal with in your child's body.

>

Monovalent isn't safe either - 4 adults wrote me these last few months -

all had tetanus only. One mom of a child called - her child had never been

vaccinated for anything - had an injury - ER gave Tetanus and he has never

been the same since - sickly. And they shouldn't have even given a

non-vaccinated child tet toxoid - should have gotten tet immune globulin

(which I wouldn't get either as is a blood product). And also email from a

mom of a teen who had a horrifying reaction and it actually gave her

tetanus.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-478-1242 Voicemail

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

March 30, 2001

-

I made the same choice- Tetanus alone for the same reasons exactly. I'm

wondering where you live? We are in CA and I'm wondering how easy it was

for you to find a doc who would do this. Probably moving to PA soon and

will need to finish the series there if I finish it...

Thanks for your response. It's good to know that I'm not the only one

struggling with this. Interestingly I met a doc today that said that of all

the vax he is LEAST concerned about children receiving Tetanus. Said that

as long as you are near soap and water it isn't a big threat. He thought it

was odd that I was so worried about THAT one (and thought that hib and

pertussis were more of a concern...)

~Kelli

Re:tetanus

> Kelli-

> For what it's worth, I share your concerns and your questions on that

> particular vaccine/disease. The research I did said that even minor cuts

or

> bug bites could result in tetanus, though the overall risk of this disease

is

> very, very low. I felt this one was tough b/c it doesn't seem to be the

same

> type of disease as some of the others, where you can feel like the things

you

> do to boost your child's immunity will make a difference. I'm sure it

does

> make a difference, but like you said, there are no definitive answers on

any

> of this. Much of it I feel, comes down to trusting in whatever holistic

> methods you are doing or what you believe in. Someone else mentioned the

> book " The Vaccine Guide... " He says in there something that I agreed with

> about tetanus - this one really comes down to a matter of parental comfort

> level. The treatment is very invasive and extensive for tetanus and I

found

> I couldn't sleep at night worrying about it anymore. I choose to vacc.

> against tetanus only. I do believe it was the right choice for our

> situation, but even still, not perfect. I hated putting that garbage into

my

> son's body. I find this whole issue to be a constant struggle - no easy

> answers! Good luck to you!

> -

>

> << This disease scares me. Still trying to decide how to proceed on this

> one... SO I'm curious what the non-vaxing folk do for Tetanus prone

> injuries? I know about the homeopathic remedy Ledum. Any other courses

of

> action? I'm not trying to be scary or annoying, but I'm trying to imagine

> actually dealing with this illness.

>

> I'm also curious if anyone has good info about how a strong and healthy

> immune system handles Tetanus. With the other diseases we're talking

about,

> the danger is coming from a bacteria or a virus. From my understanding,

the

> danger in Tetanus is the toxin that the bacteria release in an anaerobic

> environment. (Correct me if I'm off here). So will the toxin do it's

thing

> no matter what if the conditions are right? Or can a strong immune system

> knock it out? (There is probably no way to know the answer here- who

knows

> how many people could have contracted Tetanus but didn't...)

Nevertheless,

> any researched info on this would be enlightening.

> >>

>

March 30, 2001

Sheri-

On your website the link on Tetanus by Dr. Kris Gaublomme says:

" It would be absolutely wrong and short-sighted to present vaccination as

the only means of prevention against tetanus. Infection occurs through

defects in the skin or mucosal barriers. Hygienic occlusion of such defects

when in contact with potentially infected matter (dust, horse manure) is a

first essential measure. "

What do you think about the " dust " part of this- I'd never heard of THAT one

before.

Also wondering about this part:

" Application of hydrogen peroxide is another cheap, easy, very efficacious

and, thus, essential protection against tetanus infection of open wounds.

The only exception is small punctured wounds in which the peroxide will not

permeate. Peroxide is the first essential product in every household

pharmacy. In order to be effective, it has to be replaced annually "

so what do you do with the small punture wounds?

Thanks

Re: Re:tetanus

> At 04:39 PM 03/30/2001 EST, you wrote:

> >Kelli-

> >For what it's worth, I share your concerns and your questions on that

> >particular vaccine/disease. The research I did said that even minor cuts

or

> >bug bites could result in tetanus, though the overall risk of this

disease

> is

> >very, very low.

>

> That is absolutely ludicrous.

>

> I felt this one was tough b/c it doesn't seem to be the same

> >type of disease as some of the others, where you can feel like the things

> you

> >do to boost your child's immunity will make a difference. I'm sure it

does

> >make a difference, but like you said, there are no definitive answers on

any

> >of this. Much of it I feel, comes down to trusting in whatever holistic

> >methods you are doing or what you believe in.

>

> You trust in your child's immune system. It really takes steeping

yourself

> in reading the information on mywebsite and others for months and months.

>

> Someone else mentioned the

> >book " The Vaccine Guide... " He says in there something that I agreed

with

> >about tetanus - this one really comes down to a matter of parental

comfort

> >level. The treatment is very invasive and extensive for tetanus and I

found

> >I couldn't sleep at night worrying about it anymore. I choose to vacc.

> >against tetanus only. I do believe it was the right choice for our

> >situation, but even still, not perfect. I hated putting that garbage

into

> my

> >son's body. I find this whole issue to be a constant struggle - no easy

> >answers! Good luck to you!

>

> Again, huge reactions from tetanus vaccines - people I've talked with

> personally recently.

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

>

> Your comfort level gets stronger, higher?? after you read and understand

> the truth about illness, tetanus, etc.

> Sheri

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

> 530-478-1242 Voicemail

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

> women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

March 31, 2001

I tell you - so many of you have an unrealistic fear of tetanus and I don't

blame you with what we all have been programmed with. Tetanus can be on

anything that it is in contact with and ONLY survives in wounds with no air

- puncture wounds, severe burns with lots of old dead tissue. Bleeding

alone removes tetanus - soapy water is extremely effective - soak the body

part in dilute hydrogen pyroxide.

>

>On your website the link on Tetanus by Dr. Kris Gaublomme says:

>

> " It would be absolutely wrong and short-sighted to present vaccination as

>the only means of prevention against tetanus. Infection occurs through

>defects in the skin or mucosal barriers. Hygienic occlusion of such defects

>when in contact with potentially infected matter (dust, horse manure) is a

>first essential measure. "

>

>What do you think about the " dust " part of this- I'd never heard of THAT one

>before.

>

>Also wondering about this part:

>

> " Application of hydrogen peroxide is another cheap, easy, very efficacious

>and, thus, essential protection against tetanus infection of open wounds.

>The only exception is small punctured wounds in which the peroxide will not

>permeate. Peroxide is the first essential product in every household

>pharmacy. In order to be effective, it has to be replaced annually "

>

>so what do you do with the small punture wounds?

>

>Thanks

>

> Re: Re:tetanus

>

>> At 04:39 PM 03/30/2001 EST, you wrote:

>> >Kelli-

>> >For what it's worth, I share your concerns and your questions on that

>> >particular vaccine/disease. The research I did said that even minor cuts

>or

>> >bug bites could result in tetanus, though the overall risk of this

>disease

>> is

>> >very, very low.

>>

>> That is absolutely ludicrous.

>>

>> I felt this one was tough b/c it doesn't seem to be the same

>> >type of disease as some of the others, where you can feel like the things

>> you

>> >do to boost your child's immunity will make a difference. I'm sure it

>does

>> >make a difference, but like you said, there are no definitive answers on

>any

>> >of this. Much of it I feel, comes down to trusting in whatever holistic

>> >methods you are doing or what you believe in.

>>

>> You trust in your child's immune system. It really takes steeping

>yourself

>> in reading the information on mywebsite and others for months and months.

>>

>> Someone else mentioned the

>> >book " The Vaccine Guide... " He says in there something that I agreed

>with

>> >about tetanus - this one really comes down to a matter of parental

>comfort

>> >level. The treatment is very invasive and extensive for tetanus and I

>found

>> >I couldn't sleep at night worrying about it anymore. I choose to vacc.

>> >against tetanus only. I do believe it was the right choice for our

>> >situation, but even still, not perfect. I hated putting that garbage

>into

>> my

>> >son's body. I find this whole issue to be a constant struggle - no easy

>> >answers! Good luck to you!

>>

>> Again, huge reactions from tetanus vaccines - people I've talked with

>> personally recently.

>> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

>>

>> Your comfort level gets stronger, higher?? after you read and understand

>> the truth about illness, tetanus, etc.

>> Sheri

>> --------------------------------------------------------

>> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

>> 530-478-1242 Voicemail

>> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

>> women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

>> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

>> Education, Homeopathic Education

>> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>>

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