Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

Well, no rush. It sounds like a good idea to start

before the weekend. That first night can be a little

rough. Good luck. -dz-

--- Terry Long <pawpawto3@...> wrote:

> Hi all. I went to the Doctor this morning. I

> thought I was going to start my treatment today. But

> will not be starting my treatment till Friday. The

> nurse showed how to mix & inject the Peg-Intron.

> That

> way if the side affects kick in I wont miss any

> work.

> I will all so be taking Rebetrol 200mg 2 in the

> morning & 3 at night.

> Hopefully the side affects wont be to bad. Hope

> you

> all have a good day.

> Terry

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I went ahead and made the request, too, because of the

advice of others. I don't know why dr's never seem to

bring that up. -dz-

--- Terry Long <pawpawto3@...> wrote:

> The Dr put me on 50mg Zoloft at my request after

> reading what some of you had already told me. I plan

> on start taking that in the morning.

> Terry

> --- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> > Hi Terry glad to hear you are starting Tx...You

> > should do just fine and

> > remember we have all either been through tx or are

> > fixing to go through it so

> > we may be able to help you with your questions

> that

> > the Drs seem to think we

> > don't have or go through..They think the sides are

> a

> > breeze..Well at times

> > they aren't..We even go through things the Dr.

> don't

> > even tell us about..Just

> > be sure to be on anti-depressants and drink plenty

> > of water ok?? Take care

> > and stay in touch.

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

hahahaha

[Guest guest]

that's the best part

[Guest guest]

That's like somebody asking me about the pain of

childbirth, I'd say... " I don't know what the big deal

is, I didn't feel a thing " ... -dz-

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> Because they think we don't go throughthat..It's

> like i asked one Dr. that

> said there was no way I could be having certain

> sides and I asked him if he

> ever was on it..He said no..I asked then how do you

> know?..There was no

> answer.

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Oh!!!!!!!!!! Ask me about the pain of childbirth...... I can tell you

even 30 yrs. later...... LOL.... The best thing I can tell you is that I

will never experience it again.... Thank God!!!!! ;o

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

No, the pain was not related to childbirth. There must

have been something else going on, like indigestion or

something. It says so right here in my manual.

Dr. dz

--- diane214@... wrote:

> Oh!!!!!!!!!! Ask me about the pain of

> childbirth...... I can tell you

> even 30 yrs. later...... LOL.... The best thing I

> can tell you is that I

> will never experience it again.... Thank God!!!!!

> ;o

>

> Angel Hugs,

> Diane

>

> May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope,

> Peace & Unity

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Just like my music teacher always told me...

Practice, practice practice.... -dz-

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> Me either..My stuff has been cut....tied....and

> superglued..hahaha..No more

> childbirth here...But hey Diane..the playing can be

> fun huh??? LOL

>

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[Guest guest]

THis follows the simple reasoning that Workers' Comp. proposed and passed a

law stating that a chiropracotr should not treat longer than 12 visits or 30

days whichever is shorter unless a competent physician agrees that more care

is clinically indicated and prescribes accordingly.

The reasoning then concludes that because so few competent physicians agree

that more than 12/30 treatments are indicated that 12/30 is enough care for

chiropractic to be effective.

If chiropracitc care is not effective by that time, it follows that the case

is not appropriate for chiropractic care.

Do they have to draw you a picture?

--

Dr. Abrahamson

> From: P DeSiena <adesiena@...>

> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:42:01 -0800

>

> Subject: (unknown)

>

> Has anyone heard of B. Eckman, MD who does Neurology Consults for

> Progressive?

> He just IMEd a patient of mine. He wrote beyond 12 chiropractic

> treatments for a severe MVA was excessive. This is a patient who I sent

> out for a neurological consult for possible concussion and low back

> issues.

>

> DeSiena, D.C.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The neurologist is not competent or qualified to comment on the quantity of

chiropractic care that is appropriate for any condition.

D Freeman PhD DC MPH

Forensic Trauma Epidemiologist

Department of Public Health and Preventive Medicine

Oregon Health Sciences University School of Medicine

Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180

Salem, Oregon 97303

phone 503 763-3528

fax 503 763-3530

cell 503-871-0715

(unknown)

> Has anyone heard of B. Eckman, MD who does Neurology Consults for

> Progressive?

> He just IMEd a patient of mine. He wrote beyond 12 chiropractic

> treatments for a severe MVA was excessive. This is a patient who I sent

> out for a neurological consult for possible concussion and low back

> issues.

>

> DeSiena, D.C.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/16/02 4:03:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

res0btan@... writes:

<< OBCE members:

Is it not against the Law to practice Chiropractic without a license?

Is this Neurologist not practicing Chiropractic by assesing the need for

Chiropractic care, Sort of like we cannot tell a patient to discontinue

taking a medication.

Maybe he should be shown that the shoe can sometimes be on the other foot?

What say you all

Dr B

---- >>

Listmates,

i agree totally. This has been a sore point for me. In the 18 years in

business, I've seen it happen numerous times. I have called insurance

companies and spoken with claims reps to inquire (politely and in a soft

voice) about the doc's credentials. I allude to the problem of practicing

medicine out of scope. I've had good outcomes for payment of treatments

already done, (even tho the IME doc recommended against it), but not for

continued care. I don't know the laws on this. As Dc's we can make decisions

on PT and LMT treatments needed because our scope includes this type of care.

If Neurology doesn't cover manipulative treatment, the patient may have

grounds for contacting an attorney to see if this guy is practicing

chiropractic without proper licensing. Comments from our listserve attorneys?

Minga Guerrero DC

[Guest guest]

Amen

Carl Bonofiglio

-- Re: (unknown)

The neurologist is not competent or qualified to comment on the quantity ofchiropractic care that is appropriate for any condition. D Freeman PhD DC MPHForensic Trauma EpidemiologistDepartment of Public Health and Preventive MedicineOregon Health Sciences University School of MedicineMailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180Salem, Oregon 97303phone 503 763-3528fax 503 763-3530cell 503-871-0715 (unknown)> Has anyone heard of B. Eckman, MD who does Neurology Consults for> Progressive?> He just IMEd a patient of mine. He wrote beyond 12 chiropractic> treatments for a severe MVA was excessive. This is a patient who I sent> out for a neurological consult for possible concussion and low back> issues.>> DeSiena, D.C.>>>>>

[Guest guest]

OBCE members:

Is it not against the Law to practice Chiropractic without a license?

Is this Neurologist not practicing Chiropractic by assesing the need for

Chiropractic care, Sort of like we cannot tell a patient to discontinue

taking a medication.

Maybe he should be shown that the shoe can sometimes be on the other foot?

What say you all

Dr B

(unknown)

>

>

> > Has anyone heard of B. Eckman, MD who does Neurology Consults for

> > Progressive?

> > He just IMEd a patient of mine. He wrote beyond 12 chiropractic

> > treatments for a severe MVA was excessive. This is a patient who I sent

> > out for a neurological consult for possible concussion and low back

> > issues.

> >

> > DeSiena, D.C.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I know it was a man that wrote that manual......

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

As much as we dislike it it is not outside the scope of practice for a MD

(with no training in it at all) to do spinal manipulation regardless of what

their specialty is. Thus they are allowed to comment on spinal manipulation

even if it was preformed by a DC and not a MD. They can even practice

acupuncture with needles with no training at all from what I understand

after calling their board. Their board does not recommend it but they can

not stop them from preforming it until there are complaints form patients of

poor outcomes. Thus it is the same for spinal manipulation from what I

understood. If I am wrong or someone knows better please correct me.

Please don't misunderstand I think it is very wrong for them to be

commenting on something they really know nothing about.

Take care all

Steve Kinne

Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 1/16/02 4:03:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> res0btan@... writes:

>

> << OBCE members:

>

> Is it not against the Law to practice Chiropractic without a license?

>

> Is this Neurologist not practicing Chiropractic by assesing the need for

> Chiropractic care, Sort of like we cannot tell a patient to discontinue

> taking a medication.

>

> Maybe he should be shown that the shoe can sometimes be on the other

foot?

>

> What say you all

>

> Dr B

> ---- >>

> Listmates,

> i agree totally. This has been a sore point for me. In the 18 years in

> business, I've seen it happen numerous times. I have called insurance

> companies and spoken with claims reps to inquire (politely and in a soft

> voice) about the doc's credentials. I allude to the problem of practicing

> medicine out of scope. I've had good outcomes for payment of treatments

> already done, (even tho the IME doc recommended against it), but not for

> continued care. I don't know the laws on this. As Dc's we can make

decisions

> on PT and LMT treatments needed because our scope includes this type of

care.

> If Neurology doesn't cover manipulative treatment, the patient may have

> grounds for contacting an attorney to see if this guy is practicing

> chiropractic without proper licensing. Comments from our listserve

attorneys?

> Minga Guerrero DC

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The normal sed rate for a female is between 0-20, so a

4 or 6 is considered within normal range.

--- <gofflin@...> wrote:

> Hi all...

>

> What kind of sed rate is a 4 or 6? Is that high,

> low

> or normal??

>

> Thanks.

>

> --

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

NASCAR????? I LOVE NASCAR!!!!!! Dale Jr. is who I like and Steve Parks!!! # 8 and #1

[Guest guest]

Eckman is a neurologist here in Bend.

I have a Work Comp patient who is going to see him this week, so we'll see.

I remember another neuro here in Bend, now retired, say that Eckman was not

particularly chiro. friendly, that was years ago.

I have not had any other of my patients see him except for unrelated issues.

Anybody else in Central Oregon have any input?

Mike Riemhofer

(unknown)

> Has anyone heard of B. Eckman, MD who does Neurology Consults for

> Progressive?

> He just IMEd a patient of mine. He wrote beyond 12 chiropractic

> treatments for a severe MVA was excessive. This is a patient who I sent

> out for a neurological consult for possible concussion and low back

> issues.

>

> DeSiena, D.C.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I like your point. Mike Riemhofer.

(unknown)

> >

> >

> > > Has anyone heard of B. Eckman, MD who does Neurology Consults for

> > > Progressive?

> > > He just IMEd a patient of mine. He wrote beyond 12 chiropractic

> > > treatments for a severe MVA was excessive. This is a patient who I

sent

> > > out for a neurological consult for possible concussion and low back

> > > issues.

> > >

> > > DeSiena, D.C.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I never really cared for Football until last year...... Now put on a

good title Boxing Match and I'm right there yelling and carrying on....

When I was in Florida I went to a tanning Salon because it rained all

week.... Couldn't come back to Jersey without a tan...Well this guy was

sitting next to me and struck up a conversation about my neck

problems... He told me he had a really bad neck also and was thinking

about surgery.... A big built guy....Just figured he was into lifting

weights.... When he went back to tan, the owner came over to me and

asked if I knew who I was talking to. I said I didn't have a clue......

Well this guy was a pro wrestler named Vampire...(Gangrel) When he came

out I asked him for a autograph for my Grandson and my girlfriends'

son.... I figured he would be gone before I came out so I signed my name

to the bottom of the note.... Well I was still there when he came out

and of course my big mouth came out and said now if you were a Boxer I

would have recognized you in a minute...... Well he and everyone else

cracked up. I am not into wrestling as you can tell..... Well he told

me I was the first person that never fell all over him.. He took my

note and put it in his wallet and told me he now had my autograph, and

would cherish it cause I was for real.... Again I told him if he were a

boxer I would have hounded him for a autograph....... He went out in his

vehice and came back with 8x10 pictures and wrote our names on each

one.... One for me too.... Small world..... Oh!!! I also laid in his

bed.... The tanning bed when he was done.... LOL....

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

I was a fan of the king from the time that i was a

king till he retried now I'm a Jeff Gorgon fan have

been seance the king retried.

Terry

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> NASCAR????? I LOVE NASCAR!!!!!! Dale Jr. is who I

> like and Steve Parks!!! #

> 8 and #1

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Eckman is better than he was about DCs. He can be pretty opinionated, but I've been able to work with him in the past.

I just met a REALLY hot one from that office, her name is A. Kori. She is a good doc, took care of my mom, who just had a stroke. I don't know how she feels about Chiropractic, but I'm quite impressed with her. So are all the nurses at St. .

K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

Re: (unknown)

Eckman is a neurologist here in Bend.I have a Work Comp patient who is going to see him this week, so we'll see.I remember another neuro here in Bend, now retired, say that Eckman was notparticularly chiro. friendly, that was years ago.I have not had any other of my patients see him except for unrelated issues.Anybody else in Central Oregon have any input?

[Guest guest]

Terry

My friend is into that Big Time. and my son is building a big mud truck in

the garage now. He started right from the frame and is building it. He had

a 350 Chevy bored out to a 406 and it will even have nitrous. It will be

all painted up nice and then run in a 3' - 4' deep mud pit. I remember

going to the stock car races on a dirt track with my folks in the 1950s.

Dennis

[ ] (unknown)

> It's hard for me to get into football, I was never

> into that. But next month my sport " NASCAR " starts up

> again. If there is anyone who wants to cut up on that

> you better bet I'll be in on that.

> Terry

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I sure am now!!!!!!!!! Morning .

[Guest guest]

I bet you enjoyed that didn't ya Diane?? remember the band Blood,Sweat. & Tears?? I met them at the airport in Houston...Wasn't impressed either....Now a wrestler like "The Rock" or Stone Cold Steve Austin"..YES!!!! I'd love it!!!!