Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Can shingles or CP cause lasting damage to the body? I've heard of reproductive failures in adults. Jenn L Re: Re: Chicken Pox What are you saying provides immunity to shingles? If you mean getting cp, it does not. Though I can get the chicken pox as an adult (and yes, it would be harder to endure), I can't get shingles because I have never had cp. Somehow that gives me comfort....Anita yaffasebaymom wrote: With chickenpox, do you worry that if you do not vaccinate and then your child does not get cp that it will hurt them later? If they get cp at 18 or 44 it is much more severe? It also does provide immunity to shingles. So at any point in time are you planning on giving it to your children? why or why not? I have not yet, but my doc wants us to reconsider it at the age of 10 for the reasons I have stated. What are your thoughts? Amy --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Is it a letent virus that can return later on in life? Jenn L Re: Re: Chicken Pox What are you saying provides immunity to shingles? If you mean getting cp, it does not. Though I can get the chicken pox as an adult (and yes, it would be harder to endure), I can't get shingles because I have never had cp. Somehow that gives me comfort....Anita yaffasebaymom wrote: With chickenpox, do you worry that if you do not vaccinate and then your child does not get cp that it will hurt them later? If they get cp at 18 or 44 it is much more severe? It also does provide immunity to shingles. So at any point in time are you planning on giving it to your children? why or why not? I have not yet, but my doc wants us to reconsider it at the age of 10 for the reasons I have stated. What are your thoughts? Amy --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I want to say yes, but I don't really know. Someone will give the answer soon....Anita J Lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote: Is it a letent virus that can return later on in life? Jenn L Re: Re: Chicken Pox I'm not sure how to answer that question, Jenn. I suspect you can get shingles more than once, but I'm not sure. That would be my concern. Sheri, Kay, anybody?...Anita J Lessard wrote: My husband is only 30 yrs. old and has had the cp as a child and shingles when he was just 14yrs old. Does this sound good to you concerning the immune system or no..? Jenn L --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Yes, you can get shingles more than once, but as with chicken pox occurring more than once, it is rare. Shingles comes from the the dormant chicken pox virus (herpes zoster) that remains in nerve root cells in the body. Stress, illness, an immune system that isn't operating at its best, etc. can trigger shingles. Anyone who has had chicken pox or the chicken pox vax is susceptible to shingles later in life. My son had chicken pox at age 2 and had shingles when he was 13. Shingles in younger people is increasing. It used to be an affliction mainly of people over the age of 60. Some speculate that the elimination of wild chicken pox is contributing to that. They think perhaps being exposed to chicken pox from time to time in ones life helps keep the herpes zoster virus dormant, thus avoiding shingles. Of course " their " answer to the rise in shingles is to develop a shingles vaccine! UGH! Kay Re: Re: Chicken Pox > > > I'm not sure how to answer that question, Jenn. I suspect you can get > shingles more than once, but I'm not sure. That would be my concern. > Sheri, Kay, anybody?...Anita > > J Lessard wrote: My husband is only 30 yrs. old and has had the cp as a > child and shingles when he was just 14yrs old. Does this sound good to you > concerning the immune system or no..? Jenn L > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Anything is possible, I suppose, but I think you're thinking of mumps which has been linked to sterility in males (rarely, by the way). I haven't heard of this with shingles or cp though. Kay Re: Re: Chicken Pox > Can shingles or CP cause lasting damage to the body? I've heard of > reproductive failures in adults. Jenn L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 ---- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: > Sara - I get so confused about whether or not getting this particular disease is good or bad. I know I wouldn't want to contract cp at 44. But I do take some comfort in knowing I won't get the shingles. I just take it as it comes. To me, there is something *allopathic* about trying to manipulate disease. Do you know what I mean? I have heard that some people get it and never know that they had it, maybe you are one of those? I just remember how horrible it was to have chicken pox as a teenager! It was during spring break, I had them EVERYWHERE and was so sick that I could barely move for four days! Colin was pretty sick, but it didn't seem nearly as bad as it was for me. Jack thought it was fun, especialy when we started calling him Pock-o, he did get a little scared when Colin told him that he was going to turn into a chicken > > Despite your first borns' vaccinations, it sounds like he has quite a vital force working for him. My 5-yr-olds' Homeopath was delighted to know he threw up the other day (he never seems to get sick or experience any symptoms except an occassional runny nose). She thinks perhaps he is getting stronger and better able to purge his toxins. Never thought I'd be so happy about a vomiting child. ;~)....Anita > I wish that were the case. Colin is my boy with asthma and allergies as well, he is always sick. Colin seems to get high fevers that last for days and knock them out, Jack's come on really high and burn out within a day or two. Sara > Sassygirl1218@... wrote: > I am not sure if it is that, or if it has to do with his being vaccinated as a baby and getting sick after every one. Colin (my older one) is usually knocked down by anything he catches. If he gets a fever, it will last a few days and he will barely move. Jack (my younger one) has NEVER been vaccinated and was hardly sick as a baby. When Jack does get a fever, he is still up and running around (most of the time), he has it usually for a day and then it is gone and he is fine. Most of the illnesses that have come through this house have effected Colin much more than they have Jack, so part of me wonders if chicken pox was no exception. > > Yes, it does blow in the wind, but if you expose your child to a source that you are sure is wild, it is a way to ensure that they don't contract the vaccine strain. Before the vaccine, I would have had the same attitude about it, as all chicken pox used to be wild, but these are different times and you don't know what you will get. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote: Yes, you can get shingles more than once, but as with chicken pox occurring more than once, it is rare. >I thought so...Anita Shingles comes from the the dormant chicken pox virus (herpes zoster) that remains in nerve root cells in the body. Stress, illness, an immune system that isn't operating at its best, etc. can trigger shingles. This sounds like chicken pox is never really thrown from the body no matter what your reaction to it is. If this is true, it also sounds like you end up getting a sub-clinical case of it that can come back to haunt you when your defenses are down. Maybe sub-clinical is the wrong word. Is that the wrong way to view it?.......Anita Anyone who has had chicken pox or the chicken pox vax is susceptible to shingles later in life. >This really bothers me. Why would I want to expose any child to it purposely? No thank you...Anita My son had chicken pox at age 2 and had shingles when he was 13. Shingles in younger people is increasing. It used to be an affliction mainly of people over the age of 60. Some speculate that the elimination of wild chicken pox is contributing to that. >I'm familar with this theory. Another reason, in my opinion, to avoid this particular disease....Anita They think perhaps being exposed to chicken pox from time to time in ones life helps keep the herpes zoster virus dormant, thus avoiding shingles. >I wonder, at this point in my life, if exposures to cp have made me more resistant? Just a thought...Anita Of course " their " answer to the rise in shingles is to develop a shingles vaccine!UGH! Kay >Well you know how I feel about that!...Anita Thanks, Kay Re: Re: Chicken Pox > > > I'm not sure how to answer that question, Jenn. I suspect you can get > shingles more than once, but I'm not sure. That would be my concern. > Sheri, Kay, anybody?...Anita > > J Lessard wrote: My husband is only 30 yrs. old and has had the cp as a > child and shingles when he was just 14yrs old. Does this sound good to you > concerning the immune system or no..? Jenn L > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Sassygirl1218@... wrote I have heard that some people get it and never know that they had it, maybe you are one of those? I just remember how horrible it was to have chicken pox as a teenager! It was during spring break, I had them EVERYWHERE and was so sick that I could barely move for four days! Colin was pretty sick, but it didn't seem nearly as bad as it was for me. Jack thought it was fun, especialy when we started calling him Pock-o, he did get a little scared when Colin told him that he was going to turn into a chicken >I have a similar sense of humor and would have probably said the same thing if one of my boys got it. If antibodies don't = immunity and only indicate exposure, I suppose I could get a titer count to see if what you say is true.....Anita > Despite your first borns' vaccinations, it sounds like he has quite a vital force working for him. I wish that were the case. Colin is my boy with asthma and allergies as well, he is always sick. Colin seems to get high fevers that last for days and knock them out, Jack's come on really high and burn out within a day or two. I'm sorry Colin is so succeptible. He can grow stronger, though. I'm sure a good Homeopath can help......Anita --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Hope this is what you wanted, Jenn.....Anita PRINT THESE PAGES OUT SO YOU HAVE THEM HANDY I have compiled these sites - These are from a variety of homeopathic websites to give you clues as to what remedy is needed. Also have on hand 2 books for a more detailed help: Miranda Castro's - The Complete Homeopathy Handbook In Us http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312063202/ref=ase_wellwithinA/103-09 59395-1668617 In UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0330349260/wellwithin-21/202-201743 3-6213405 Dana Ullman's - Everybody's Guide to HOmeopathic Medicine In Us http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874778433/ref=ase_wellwithinA/103-09 59395-1668617 In UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874778433/wellwithin-21/202-201743 3-6213405 Also find yourself a quality homeopath for backup http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Sheri ********** Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine Chickenpox While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy merely on the basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one remedy that is homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - it is also the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a distinct enough stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - have a small enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk about them. With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather small materia medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of chickenpox at home. Good resources for the materia medica (information on appropriate remedies) needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can be found in any of the following books: -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite home-care reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to acute-care prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it should be this one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to procede with preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book and perhaps one or two of the following list as well. -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home Knowing that the following list does not include *every* remedy that a homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I would recommend you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably prepared: (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every person with chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do not. A very healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of spots, a runny nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy that may last a few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not emerge clearly in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths with oatmeal* for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out of a cut-out cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to them from Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from Now we are Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a backrub is the most consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet when you draw the bath. If the illness takes a course departing from this normal pattern of response - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a disturbing cough, mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability or clinginess, difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is asking for help, and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The following short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of chickenpox you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge variety of remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I generally recommend that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in 12C potencies. Most of the following will be in a kit put together for homecare, such as the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington Homeopathic Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in the home-care manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've prescribed them for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least frequent. The pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing these remedies will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, but use them as a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this remedy, it is usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the person that identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of " Chickenpox " are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, the child is weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. The itching is worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so they are likely to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, etc. Bedtime is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & warmth of the bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. Despite fever they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse on lying down at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & moving air & on sitting up. (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state calling for this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical and emotional restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because restlessness makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. They may wake exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come into the parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of restlessness driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, especially at night, but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with cold, and relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and they feel they have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The pox may be expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid which may run when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped tongue keynote reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a Rhus-tox picture. (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the need for this remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, raising the concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the case, but do not ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to supportive care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The rash may be large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - sometimes it is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this character that alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of problematic cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not wanting to be looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill-temper is much more evident. (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions with pus-filled blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with soreness of the affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These kids are normally pretty sick. (7) Aconite Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state generally are well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time they get into my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone prescription. Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to midnight, with fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they don't respond as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes often begins following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably wouldn't know it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the next day; if the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the concerns that the rash might raise directly. (8) Belladonna Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, worse in the mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the afternoon nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet may be cool. Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually early in the illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the rash itself doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. (9) Sulphur Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged on with slow recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. Warm, uncovering at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with redness about the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as this, where you can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a limited range of possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself to learning good homoeopathy. Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine ********** http://www.gnc.com/wellness/natpharm/Homeo/Chicken_Pox_hm.htm Homeopathic Remedies for Chicken Pox Chicken pox is a common childhood viral illness. Many cases are mild; however, those that are uncomfortable can often be helped with homeopathy. Fatigue and low fever typically begin ten days to three weeks from the time of exposure. A flat red rash comes out, transforms into pimples, then develops into blisters that eventually break and harden into itchy crusts. If fever is very high and persistent, or if a person seems to be extremely ill, it is best to consult a physician. For dosage information, please read the information at the end of this section. See also “Using Homeopathy With Professional Guidance” in What Is Homeopathy? Antimonium tartaricum: This remedy may be indicated when eruptions are large and slow to emerge. The child feels sweaty, fussy, and may be nauseous with a white-coated tongue. If chest congestion with a rattling cough develops, or a bubbly sound on breathing, Antimonium tart is likely to be the appropriate remedy. Antimonium crudum: A child who needs this remedy usually is irritable and may object to being touched or looked at. The eruptions are sore, and touching them may bring on shooting pains. Apis mellifica: When this remedy is indicated, the skin around the eruptions is pink and puffy and very itchy, with stinging pains. The eyelids may also be swollen. The person feels worse from warmth, is irritable, and usually is not thirsty. Belladonna: This remedy is indicated when a child is hot and feverish, with a red flushed face, and eyes that are sensitive to light. A pounding headache may be felt, accompanied by either restlessness or drowsiness. The rash usually is red, with a feeling of heat and throbbing. Bryonia: When fever persists for several days during chicken pox, and a dry nagging cough develops, this remedy may be useful. The person’s mouth is dry, with thirst for long cold drinks. The person may be very grumpy, feel worse from motion, and dislike being interfered with in any way. Mercurius solubilis: This remedy may be indicated if eruptions are large and become infected. The child is very sensitive to temperature changes and feels worse at night. Perspiration and drooling during sleep, swollen lymph nodes, and offensive breath are strong indications for Mercurius. Pulsatilla: A child who needs this remedy is often sweet and tearful when ill and wants a lot of attention and comforting. Itching and other discomforts are worse from warmth and in stuffy rooms, and improved by cool fresh air. The person is rarely thirsty, even during fever. Rhus toxicodendron: This remedy is useful in cases of chicken pox with tremendous itching that is worse from scratching and relieved by warm baths or applying heat. The child may be very restless, both physically and mentally. The eyes may become inflamed and sticky. Muscles can ache and feel very stiff, also relieved by warmth and gentle motion. (Some homeopathic physicians recommend Rhus tox to people who have been exposed to chicken pox, to help prevent infection.) Sulphur: If itching is so severe that the person finds it impossible to keep from scratching—or if eruptions have a nagging, burning pain—this remedy may bring relief. The symptoms (and the person) become worse from warmth and aggravated after bathing. Both heat and chills are felt during fever. The person may feel drowsy in the afternoon and restless and hot at night. Urtica urens: Eruptions with stinging, burning pain and itching may be relieved by this remedy. Symptoms are aggravated by exertion and from overheating. Homeopathy Dosage Directions ––– Select the remedy that most closely matches the symptoms. In conditions where self-treatment is appropriate, unless otherwise directed by a physician, a lower potency (6X, 6C, 12X, 12C, 30X, or 30C) should be used. In addition, instructions for use are usually printed on the label. Many homeopathic physicians suggest that remedies be used as follows: Take one dose and wait for a response. If improvement is seen, continue to wait and let the remedy work. If improvement lags significantly or has clearly stopped, another dose may be taken. The frequency of dosage varies with the condition and the individual. Sometimes a dose may be required several times an hour; other times a dose may be indicated several times a day; and in some situations, one dose per day (or less) can be sufficient. If no response is seen within a reasonable amount of time, select a different remedy. ***** http://www.homeopathic.com/ailments/new/Chickpox.htm A Homeopathic Perspective on Chickenpox ©1992, Dana Ullman, M.P.H. (Excepted from Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants, Tarcher/Putnam) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- REMEDIES LISTED IN CAPITOL LETTERS REPRESENT MORE FREQUENTLY INDICATED REMEDIES ACONITUM: This remedy should be considered at the initial stages of chickenpox when there is fever, restlessness, and increased thirst. Antimonium crud: Most characteristic of these children is their white-coated tongue and their irritable disposition. Other indications for this remedy are when children have pimples and pustules which itch, especially after a bath or exposure to water, in the evening, and from the heat of the bed. The children tend to experience a prickly heat which is aggravated by exercise and warmth. Apis: Children who have itching and stinging pox that is worse from heat and in warm rooms and better from cold and in cool rooms should be given this remedy. Belladonna: Chickenpox with severe headache, flushed face, hot skin, and drowsiness with the inability to sleep well should be treated with this medicine. RHUS TOX: This is the most common remedy for chickenpox. These children experience intense itching, especially at night and from scratching. They are very restless. ******** http://in.indbazaar.lycosasia.com/i-daksh/therapeutics.asp?id=14 (site from India) COMBATING CHIKEN POX Chicken pox is a highly contagious rash illness. It’s caused by the Varicella-zoster virus [VZV] and usually strikes in childhood. Incidence - Chickenpox is a common, highly contagious illness. Over 90% of cases occur in children less than 12 years of age. Around 10 per cent of the population over the age of 15 is susceptible to the disease. Most urban children are infected with chicken pox before puberty. Transmission - The disease is acquired by inhalation of virus, containing particles from the nasopharynx of an infected individual. These cause an initial infection in the respiratory epithelium. Skin vesicles contain the virus, but are not the primary source. Scabs are not infectious. Patients are contagious from 2 days before onset of the rash until all lesions have crusted. Season - The virus is endemic, but becomes epidemic during the late winter and spring. Immunity - Lasting immunity follows recovery. Second attacks are rare even in the immuno-compromised. Incubation period - The incubation period is 14 to 17 days. THE SIGNS OF CHICKEN POX The following symptoms will occur 10-21 days after exposure to chicken pox. Signs of chicken pox appear in the following order: Mild low grade fever with cold-like symptoms Rash, mostly on trunk or covered areas of the body. Fluid-filled blisters (vesicles) Crusts / scabs The patient also complains of the following - Runny nose, slight cough Decrease in appetite Headache Tired, rundown feeling These symptoms usually occur 24-48 hours before the spots appear on the body. The spots first appear on the chest, back, or face, and eventually are seen over the entire body. The spots may occur in the mouth as white ulcers, and as ulcers in the ears and eyes. HOW TO PREVENT CHICKEN POX Exclude infected person from school or day care for 5 days after the first vesicles appear. Practice good hand washing: the virus spreads by direct contact with the fluid in the blisters, as well as infected secretions from nose and mouth. Cover mouth when coughing and dispose of tissue promptly. Wash bed linens and recently worn clothes in hot, soapy water. Avoid exposing pregnant women, newborns, the elderly, or immuno-compromised persons. HOW TO MANAGE CHICKEN POX Give one or more lukewarm baths daily. Add one tablespoon baking soda to each bath to relieve itching. Keep fingernails short to prevent scratching. WHAT ARE THE COMPLICATIONS Chickenpox poses serious problems in pregnancy, especially when infection occurs early in the pregnancy or at the time of delivery. Infection early in pregnancy can lead to several types of fetal abnormalities, including limb abnormalities, scarring of internal organs and neurological damage. The most common complication is bacterial skin infection. Scarring occurs frequently. Round, deep, punched-out scars, " pock marks, " are a disfiguring complication. These disfiguring scars are permanent, but do show some improvement with time WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CHICKEN POX Chicken pox is spread by direct contact or breathing in from nose and throat secretions. Crusting occurs in 5 to 10 days after breakout. Crusts do not contain the virus. Children are not to go to school for at least 7 days - until all sores are crusted. Let scabs fall off by themselves. STAGES OF CHICKEN POX The prodromal symptoms in children are absent or low-grade. Older children and adults experience fever (1 to 6 days), headache, backache, and sore throat. The fever varies from 101º F to 105º F and returns to normal when the vesicles have disappeared. Moderate to intense itching is present during the vesicular stage. The lesion starts as a 2 mm to 4 mm red papule, which develops an irregular outline (rose petal) as a thin walled clear vesicle appears on the surface. This lesion, " dew drop on a rose petal, " is highly characteristic. The vesicle becomes centrally depressed and cloudy, has an irregular border, and breaks in 8 to 12 hours. The lesion dries to form a crust as the red base disappears. Secondary infection or excoriation extends the process into the dermis, producing a crater-like scar. During homeopathic treatment, one of the following drugs is administered based on right indications. COMMONLY INDICATED DRUGS ANTIM CRUD, PULS, SULPH, Antim tart, Bell, Carbo veg, Ledum, Merc, Rhus tox, Sepia, Thuja, Aconite, Arsenic, Asafoetida, Cantharis, Causticum, Coffea, Conium, Cyclamen, Ipecac, Natrum carb, Natrum mur, Silicea. (According to Dr. J. H. e) For the initial fever – Aconite When the vesicles form – Antim tart When the fever is over – Merc sol Aconite – For the initial stage, with the onset of fever; better in open air, worse in warm room, in evening and at night; thirst and restlessness very marked. Antim crud – Chicken pox, with gastric derangement; sensitive to cold bathing; thick, hard, honey colored scabs; itching when warm in bed; burning and itching are worse at night; child cannot bear to be touched or looked at. Antim tart - In the early stage; child is irritable and wants company; also indicated in chicken pox with respiratory complications. Mercurius - When matter appears in the vesicles; skin is almost consistently moist; odorous perspiration; itching is worse from warmth of bed; yellowish brown crusts; worse at night, wet, damp weather, perspiring, warm room and warm bed. Rhus tox – Severe intense itching; extreme mental and physical restlessness; worse during cold wet, rainy weather and after rain; better warm, dry weather, rubbing, warm applications. Sulphur – Annoying rash; child is thirsty and hungry; dirty skin; worse scratching and washing; itching worse by warmth; often occurs in spring time. Copyright © 2000. Indbazaar.com. All rights reserved. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm J Lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote: Can someone resend the chicken pox info.? My little girl just came down with it last night. Used her ped. for diagnosis. Know to use Vit. A & C. What else can I do? I'm not doing anything right now & don't seem to need to but, just in case...I think the Vits are good to give now though. 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Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Thanks Anita. You're a gem. Jenn L Re: chicken pox Hope this is what you wanted, Jenn.....Anita PRINT THESE PAGES OUT SO YOU HAVE THEM HANDY I have compiled these sites - These are from a variety of homeopathic websites to give you clues as to what remedy is needed. Also have on hand 2 books for a more detailed help: Miranda Castro's - The Complete Homeopathy Handbook In Us http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312063202/ref=ase_wellwithinA/103-09 59395-1668617 In UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0330349260/wellwithin-21/202-201743 3-6213405 Dana Ullman's - Everybody's Guide to HOmeopathic Medicine In Us http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874778433/ref=ase_wellwithinA/103-09 59395-1668617 In UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874778433/wellwithin-21/202-201743 3-6213405 Also find yourself a quality homeopath for backup http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Sheri ********** Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine Chickenpox While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy merely on the basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one remedy that is homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - it is also the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a distinct enough stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - have a small enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk about them. With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather small materia medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of chickenpox at home. Good resources for the materia medica (information on appropriate remedies) needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can be found in any of the following books: -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite home-care reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to acute-care prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it should be this one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to procede with preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book and perhaps one or two of the following list as well. -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home Knowing that the following list does not include *every* remedy that a homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I would recommend you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably prepared: (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every person with chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do not. A very healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of spots, a runny nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy that may last a few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not emerge clearly in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths with oatmeal* for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out of a cut-out cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to them from Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from Now we are Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a backrub is the most consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet when you draw the bath. If the illness takes a course departing from this normal pattern of response - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a disturbing cough, mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability or clinginess, difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is asking for help, and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The following short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of chickenpox you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge variety of remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I generally recommend that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in 12C potencies. Most of the following will be in a kit put together for homecare, such as the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington Homeopathic Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in the home-care manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've prescribed them for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least frequent. The pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing these remedies will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, but use them as a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this remedy, it is usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the person that identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of " Chickenpox " are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, the child is weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. The itching is worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so they are likely to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, etc. Bedtime is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & warmth of the bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. Despite fever they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse on lying down at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & moving air & on sitting up. (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state calling for this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical and emotional restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because restlessness makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. They may wake exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come into the parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of restlessness driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, especially at night, but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with cold, and relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and they feel they have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The pox may be expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid which may run when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped tongue keynote reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a Rhus-tox picture. (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the need for this remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, raising the concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the case, but do not ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to supportive care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The rash may be large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - sometimes it is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this character that alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of problematic cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not wanting to be looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill-temper is much more evident. (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions with pus-filled blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with soreness of the affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These kids are normally pretty sick. (7) Aconite Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state generally are well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time they get into my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone prescription. Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to midnight, with fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they don't respond as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes often begins following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably wouldn't know it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the next day; if the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the concerns that the rash might raise directly. (8) Belladonna Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, worse in the mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the afternoon nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet may be cool. Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually early in the illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the rash itself doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. (9) Sulphur Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged on with slow recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. Warm, uncovering at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with redness about the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as this, where you can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a limited range of possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself to learning good homoeopathy. Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine ********** http://www.gnc.com/wellness/natpharm/Homeo/Chicken_Pox_hm.htm Homeopathic Remedies for Chicken Pox Chicken pox is a common childhood viral illness. Many cases are mild; however, those that are uncomfortable can often be helped with homeopathy. Fatigue and low fever typically begin ten days to three weeks from the time of exposure. A flat red rash comes out, transforms into pimples, then develops into blisters that eventually break and harden into itchy crusts. If fever is very high and persistent, or if a person seems to be extremely ill, it is best to consult a physician. For dosage information, please read the information at the end of this section. See also " Using Homeopathy With Professional Guidance " in What Is Homeopathy? Antimonium tartaricum: This remedy may be indicated when eruptions are large and slow to emerge. The child feels sweaty, fussy, and may be nauseous with a white-coated tongue. If chest congestion with a rattling cough develops, or a bubbly sound on breathing, Antimonium tart is likely to be the appropriate remedy. Antimonium crudum: A child who needs this remedy usually is irritable and may object to being touched or looked at. The eruptions are sore, and touching them may bring on shooting pains. Apis mellifica: When this remedy is indicated, the skin around the eruptions is pink and puffy and very itchy, with stinging pains. The eyelids may also be swollen. The person feels worse from warmth, is irritable, and usually is not thirsty. Belladonna: This remedy is indicated when a child is hot and feverish, with a red flushed face, and eyes that are sensitive to light. A pounding headache may be felt, accompanied by either restlessness or drowsiness. The rash usually is red, with a feeling of heat and throbbing. Bryonia: When fever persists for several days during chicken pox, and a dry nagging cough develops, this remedy may be useful. The person's mouth is dry, with thirst for long cold drinks. The person may be very grumpy, feel worse from motion, and dislike being interfered with in any way. Mercurius solubilis: This remedy may be indicated if eruptions are large and become infected. The child is very sensitive to temperature changes and feels worse at night. Perspiration and drooling during sleep, swollen lymph nodes, and offensive breath are strong indications for Mercurius. Pulsatilla: A child who needs this remedy is often sweet and tearful when ill and wants a lot of attention and comforting. Itching and other discomforts are worse from warmth and in stuffy rooms, and improved by cool fresh air. The person is rarely thirsty, even during fever. Rhus toxicodendron: This remedy is useful in cases of chicken pox with tremendous itching that is worse from scratching and relieved by warm baths or applying heat. The child may be very restless, both physically and mentally. The eyes may become inflamed and sticky. Muscles can ache and feel very stiff, also relieved by warmth and gentle motion. (Some homeopathic physicians recommend Rhus tox to people who have been exposed to chicken pox, to help prevent infection.) Sulphur: If itching is so severe that the person finds it impossible to keep from scratching-or if eruptions have a nagging, burning pain-this remedy may bring relief. The symptoms (and the person) become worse from warmth and aggravated after bathing. Both heat and chills are felt during fever. The person may feel drowsy in the afternoon and restless and hot at night. Urtica urens: Eruptions with stinging, burning pain and itching may be relieved by this remedy. Symptoms are aggravated by exertion and from overheating. Homeopathy Dosage Directions --- Select the remedy that most closely matches the symptoms. In conditions where self-treatment is appropriate, unless otherwise directed by a physician, a lower potency (6X, 6C, 12X, 12C, 30X, or 30C) should be used. In addition, instructions for use are usually printed on the label. Many homeopathic physicians suggest that remedies be used as follows: Take one dose and wait for a response. If improvement is seen, continue to wait and let the remedy work. If improvement lags significantly or has clearly stopped, another dose may be taken. The frequency of dosage varies with the condition and the individual. Sometimes a dose may be required several times an hour; other times a dose may be indicated several times a day; and in some situations, one dose per day (or less) can be sufficient. If no response is seen within a reasonable amount of time, select a different remedy. ***** http://www.homeopathic.com/ailments/new/Chickpox.htm A Homeopathic Perspective on Chickenpox ©1992, Dana Ullman, M.P.H. (Excepted from Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants, Tarcher/Putnam) ---------------------------------------------------------- ---- REMEDIES LISTED IN CAPITOL LETTERS REPRESENT MORE FREQUENTLY INDICATED REMEDIES ACONITUM: This remedy should be considered at the initial stages of chickenpox when there is fever, restlessness, and increased thirst. Antimonium crud: Most characteristic of these children is their white-coated tongue and their irritable disposition. Other indications for this remedy are when children have pimples and pustules which itch, especially after a bath or exposure to water, in the evening, and from the heat of the bed. The children tend to experience a prickly heat which is aggravated by exercise and warmth. Apis: Children who have itching and stinging pox that is worse from heat and in warm rooms and better from cold and in cool rooms should be given this remedy. Belladonna: Chickenpox with severe headache, flushed face, hot skin, and drowsiness with the inability to sleep well should be treated with this medicine. RHUS TOX: This is the most common remedy for chickenpox. These children experience intense itching, especially at night and from scratching. They are very restless. ******** http://in.indbazaar.lycosasia.com/i-daksh/therapeutics.asp?id=14 (site from India) COMBATING CHIKEN POX Chicken pox is a highly contagious rash illness. It's caused by the Varicella-zoster virus [VZV] and usually strikes in childhood. Incidence - Chickenpox is a common, highly contagious illness. Over 90% of cases occur in children less than 12 years of age. Around 10 per cent of the population over the age of 15 is susceptible to the disease. Most urban children are infected with chicken pox before puberty. Transmission - The disease is acquired by inhalation of virus, containing particles from the nasopharynx of an infected individual. These cause an initial infection in the respiratory epithelium. Skin vesicles contain the virus, but are not the primary source. Scabs are not infectious. Patients are contagious from 2 days before onset of the rash until all lesions have crusted. Season - The virus is endemic, but becomes epidemic during the late winter and spring. Immunity - Lasting immunity follows recovery. Second attacks are rare even in the immuno-compromised. Incubation period - The incubation period is 14 to 17 days. THE SIGNS OF CHICKEN POX The following symptoms will occur 10-21 days after exposure to chicken pox. Signs of chicken pox appear in the following order: Mild low grade fever with cold-like symptoms Rash, mostly on trunk or covered areas of the body. Fluid-filled blisters (vesicles) Crusts / scabs The patient also complains of the following - Runny nose, slight cough Decrease in appetite Headache Tired, rundown feeling These symptoms usually occur 24-48 hours before the spots appear on the body. The spots first appear on the chest, back, or face, and eventually are seen over the entire body. The spots may occur in the mouth as white ulcers, and as ulcers in the ears and eyes. HOW TO PREVENT CHICKEN POX Exclude infected person from school or day care for 5 days after the first vesicles appear. Practice good hand washing: the virus spreads by direct contact with the fluid in the blisters, as well as infected secretions from nose and mouth. Cover mouth when coughing and dispose of tissue promptly. Wash bed linens and recently worn clothes in hot, soapy water. Avoid exposing pregnant women, newborns, the elderly, or immuno-compromised persons. HOW TO MANAGE CHICKEN POX Give one or more lukewarm baths daily. Add one tablespoon baking soda to each bath to relieve itching. Keep fingernails short to prevent scratching. WHAT ARE THE COMPLICATIONS Chickenpox poses serious problems in pregnancy, especially when infection occurs early in the pregnancy or at the time of delivery. Infection early in pregnancy can lead to several types of fetal abnormalities, including limb abnormalities, scarring of internal organs and neurological damage. The most common complication is bacterial skin infection. Scarring occurs frequently. Round, deep, punched-out scars, " pock marks, " are a disfiguring complication. These disfiguring scars are permanent, but do show some improvement with time WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CHICKEN POX Chicken pox is spread by direct contact or breathing in from nose and throat secretions. Crusting occurs in 5 to 10 days after breakout. Crusts do not contain the virus. Children are not to go to school for at least 7 days - until all sores are crusted. Let scabs fall off by themselves. STAGES OF CHICKEN POX The prodromal symptoms in children are absent or low-grade. Older children and adults experience fever (1 to 6 days), headache, backache, and sore throat. The fever varies from 101º F to 105º F and returns to normal when the vesicles have disappeared. Moderate to intense itching is present during the vesicular stage. The lesion starts as a 2 mm to 4 mm red papule, which develops an irregular outline (rose petal) as a thin walled clear vesicle appears on the surface. This lesion, " dew drop on a rose petal, " is highly characteristic. The vesicle becomes centrally depressed and cloudy, has an irregular border, and breaks in 8 to 12 hours. The lesion dries to form a crust as the red base disappears. Secondary infection or excoriation extends the process into the dermis, producing a crater-like scar. During homeopathic treatment, one of the following drugs is administered based on right indications. COMMONLY INDICATED DRUGS ANTIM CRUD, PULS, SULPH, Antim tart, Bell, Carbo veg, Ledum, Merc, Rhus tox, Sepia, Thuja, Aconite, Arsenic, Asafoetida, Cantharis, Causticum, Coffea, Conium, Cyclamen, Ipecac, Natrum carb, Natrum mur, Silicea. (According to Dr. J. H. e) For the initial fever - Aconite When the vesicles form - Antim tart When the fever is over - Merc sol Aconite - For the initial stage, with the onset of fever; better in open air, worse in warm room, in evening and at night; thirst and restlessness very marked. Antim crud - Chicken pox, with gastric derangement; sensitive to cold bathing; thick, hard, honey colored scabs; itching when warm in bed; burning and itching are worse at night; child cannot bear to be touched or looked at. Antim tart - In the early stage; child is irritable and wants company; also indicated in chicken pox with respiratory complications. Mercurius - When matter appears in the vesicles; skin is almost consistently moist; odorous perspiration; itching is worse from warmth of bed; yellowish brown crusts; worse at night, wet, damp weather, perspiring, warm room and warm bed. Rhus tox - Severe intense itching; extreme mental and physical restlessness; worse during cold wet, rainy weather and after rain; better warm, dry weather, rubbing, warm applications. Sulphur - Annoying rash; child is thirsty and hungry; dirty skin; worse scratching and washing; itching worse by warmth; often occurs in spring time. Copyright © 2000. Indbazaar.com. All rights reserved. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm J Lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote: Can someone resend the chicken pox info.? My little girl just came down with it last night. Used her ped. for diagnosis. Know to use Vit. A & C. What else can I do? I'm not doing anything right now & don't seem to need to but, just in case...I think the Vits are good to give now though. 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Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 as of this evening my son has a fine rash on his chest and tummy. He has had cold symptoms/congestion for about 5 days with only a few hours of mild fever. Any chance this is the chickenpox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Chicken pox is not a fine rash. It's little blisters that usually start at the nape of the neck, scalp & back. It could be something else. Jenn L Re: chicken pox as of this evening my son has a fine rash on his chest and tummy. He has had cold symptoms/congestion for about 5 days with only a few hours of mild fever. Any chance this is the chickenpox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 You will be looking for individual raised bumps, some of them with clear liquid inside, some cloudy, and eventually some redness around each pox. Does this sound like what you are seeing? Tara (who just had 2 kids with chickenpox last month) > > as of this evening my son has a fine rash on his chest and tummy. He has had cold symptoms/congestion for about 5 days with only a few hours of mild fever. Any chance this is the chickenpox? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hi Jenn, I see Anita's sent the homoeopathic info, so won't resend that. Have a look at: http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch.cfm?action=keyword & log=nk - these are images of chickenpox rashes which may or may not prove helpful. If your girl is doing well and not in any particular distress, let her body deal with it in its own time. In most kids it's pretty inocuous, if itchy. My dd had a good covering of spots (I'm always a bit suspicious of the children who only sprout about half a dozen spots with CP), although she wasn't troubled by them developing internally. (The girls I know of that have had a bad time of it were those who developed spots inside the vagina, and were in a fair bit of pain with it. I'm not sure how common that is though.) My girl itched for a few days, but by and large it was all very easy for her with no great drama. I used oatmeal baths for her to soothe the itching, and she also had a couple of homoeopathic remedies when the itching was at its worst. We didn't do the extra C (does CP deplete Vit A? I know measles does, but I personally wouldn't supplement with Vit A - or C, come to that.) and she just ate and drank normally. Unless she's having problems, I would just let it run its course. I hope she gets over it very soon with as little trouble as my girl did. ) Love, light and peace, Sue > Can someone resend the chicken pox info.? My little girl just > came down with it last night. Used her ped. for diagnosis. Know > to use Vit. A & C. What else can I do? I'm not doing anything > right now & don't seem to need to but, just in case...I think the > Vits are good to give now though. Thanks, Jenn L > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Thanks Sue. Not feeling too hot myself today. She's just a little moody. I'm really tired. Will nap when dad comes home soon. Drinking lots too. Jenn L RE: chicken pox Hi Jenn, I see Anita's sent the homoeopathic info, so won't resend that. Have a look at: http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch.cfm?action=keyword & log=nk - these are images of chickenpox rashes which may or may not prove helpful. If your girl is doing well and not in any particular distress, let her body deal with it in its own time. In most kids it's pretty inocuous, if itchy. My dd had a good covering of spots (I'm always a bit suspicious of the children who only sprout about half a dozen spots with CP), although she wasn't troubled by them developing internally. (The girls I know of that have had a bad time of it were those who developed spots inside the vagina, and were in a fair bit of pain with it. I'm not sure how common that is though.) My girl itched for a few days, but by and large it was all very easy for her with no great drama. I used oatmeal baths for her to soothe the itching, and she also had a couple of homoeopathic remedies when the itching was at its worst. We didn't do the extra C (does CP deplete Vit A? I know measles does, but I personally wouldn't supplement with Vit A - or C, come to that.) and she just ate and drank normally. Unless she's having problems, I would just let it run its course. I hope she gets over it very soon with as little trouble as my girl did. ) Love, light and peace, Sue > Can someone resend the chicken pox info.? My little girl just > came down with it last night. Used her ped. for diagnosis. Know > to use Vit. A & C. What else can I do? I'm not doing anything > right now & don't seem to need to but, just in case...I think the > Vits are good to give now though. Thanks, Jenn L > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Vida, This is from my own experience - my father is 81 years old and ALL of his brothers & sisters (13 total!) had CP, us kids (3 in all) AND countless nephews, nieces and cousins had it and I KNOW he was exposed. As of today, he has never had CP. Do I think he'll get it - nope, I think he's one of the fortuante ones who are immune to it. He also had his blood titered for CP antibodies after his stroke (he was 70 at the time) and he did not have any antibodies to it....this resulted in the doctors wanting to give him the vax, but, fortuantely, common sense prevailed. I think you are probably immune to it!! One side note, which I don't know if this has anything to do with CP immunity, is that my father is not allergic to poison ivy/oak. ~ > > When I was a kid, both my sisters and most my friends all had the > chicken pox. Even though I was exposed over and over again, I never > got it. Does this mean I could still get it? > I was thinking today that when I was young (I'm now 29,) I'd never > heard of any kid having diabetes, arthritis, autism, or > allergies....there was like one kid in the whole school who was > allergic to everything, but that was it...and maybe a few kids had > asthma. > Something else I wanted to say...the other night I was watching this > thing on TV about methamphetamines, and a couple of ingredients used in > making this deadly drug are the same ingredients in vaccines. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 I’ve had natural CP too and I’m not allergic to poison ivy/oak either…. Can walk through the stuff all day long and it won’t bug me. I don’t react to a lot of side effects either. Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2, and due 2/08 Some minds are like concrete: Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 11/6/2007 8:05 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 11/6/2007 8:05 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Neither my father nor my sister has had CP. But my sister tests immune. I had a very light case. ~Robyn Vida Khan wrote: > When I was a kid, both my sisters and most my friends all had the > chicken pox. Even though I was exposed over and over again, I never > got it. Does this mean I could still get it? > I was thinking today that when I was young (I'm now 29,) I'd never > heard of any kid having diabetes, arthritis, autism, or > allergies....there was like one kid in the whole school who was > allergic to everything, but that was it...and maybe a few kids had > asthma. > Something else I wanted to say...the other night I was watching this > thing on TV about methamphetamines, and a couple of ingredients used in > making this deadly drug are the same ingredients in vaccines. > > -- Robyn Image: Robyn and Jack robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> http://www.rmcsquared.net/ <http://www.idealbite.com/dailytip/link.php?URL=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pZGVhbGJpdGUuY29t\ YWRtaW4vY29udGVudC9Mb2NhbCBTZXR0aW5ncy9UZW1wb3JhcnkgSW50ZXJuZXQgRmlsZXMvT0xLREMv\ d3d3LmlkZWFsYml0ZS5jb20%3D & Name= & EncryptedMemberID=OTI1MzA%3D & CampaignID=1 & Campa\ ignStatisticsID=178 & Demo=0 & Email=robynalumni (DOT) cmu.edu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 For itching skin problems with the kids, I have had success, albeit temporary, with oatmeal baths. I put approx 1 - 1 1/2 cups of oatmeal into a knee-high stocking, tied it off and dropped in the bath........Anita lightning30fwi <lightning30fwi@...> wrote: sheri I don't know if this is the place for this...I tonight went over to my friend's house,cause she wanted me to check to see if her son has chicken pox. He had lil bumps on his stomache and upper chest...no fever though. Now I wonder if seeing I've had chicken pox before would I be a carrier to come back home? Seeing my kids have not had vaxs I'm a bit concerned,but if they get it it is no big deal. I'm just a bit nervous due to kids having seizures. But what do you recommend for my friend as far as bathing. I thought I saw somewhere on here to put salt in bath? Is it salt you can put in bath? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Is anyone worried about their child contracting chicken pox at an older age? My kids are still young 2 up to date with vaccines one not, and I was wondering if it makes sense to have them exposed to chicken pox? If so, where can they get exposed? I feel like we would have to be quarantined and run away some where, because I live in a development and every neighbor on my block is extremely nosey and very mainstream. Jen Where are the candidates on vaccines? This is NOT intended to start a political discussion so please guys - let's not make it that, OK? But on another web group I'm on it was mentioned that Obama was not in favor of exemptions. This was the only quote I could find on this: Would you support a federal right for families and individuals to choose for themselves which vaccines they will use? I support screening for a wide variety of diseases and disorders. Early diagnosis and early intervention are the best practice for most illnesses. I believe that every American has the right to access these screenings, and I believe that every American has the right also to refuse these screenings voluntarily if they so choose. I also support a thorough and independent review of our nation¢s vaccination policies. Here is the source: http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/03/obama-and-clint.html I'll see what I can find on McCain. While I'm glad Obama is for screening, it's not good enough for me personally. I want an out. Sheri B. www.shaklee.net/simplevitality Creating healthier lives for over 52 years Sharing Shaklee for the health of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 I intend to try to find a chicken pox party at some point, if I ever hear of one. I was thinking of letting the staff at Gymboree, where I take my son to tumbling class, to let me know if they hear of anyone with it. Other than that, not sure how you'd find out if anyone has the pox... maybe call around to the local daycares from time-to-time asking if they know of any recent cases... you could give your contact info to pass along to the parents of a child that comes down with it, I suppose. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, jen leahy <jenleahy@...> wrote: > Is anyone worried about their child contracting chicken pox at an older > age? My kids are still young 2 up to date with vaccines one not, and I was > wondering if it > makes sense to have them exposed to chicken pox? If so, where can they get > exposed? > I feel like we would have to be quarantined and run away some where, because > I live in a development and every neighbor on my block is extremely nosey > and very > mainstream. > Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 But he didn't say if he supported those that choose not to vax though.. yep.. that makes me worry! It just makes me so mad. it's OUR body. It's OUR life. And when we do as we're told.. and something happens. where's the support? Gone. So excuse me for having a brain but I think if you force something, you ought to be prepared to put your money where your mouth is instead of saying dumb-a* & stuff like " oh it couldn't have been what we pressured you into. It must have been something else " I'm in an infuriated mood anyway. MD stands for mentally disabled right now. Dh had a grandma at work tell him that her daughter's child's doctor told the mom that " autistic kids don't have feelings " .. and they're believing him!!! I told dh he needed to work harder on getting this lady to believe him that yes, they do. that poor baby is going to get some mental/emotional abuse just b/c his dumb parents believe the even dumber doctor " that autistic kids don't have feelings " .. We told that to and she exclaimed " that's not true " We've been getting some mileage out of that. 'oh Kate. You must not be upset that you spilled syrup on yourself. Remember, you don't have feelings " she's been given the task to write an argument paper against that dumb statement. I'd be firing my pediatrician, if I were that mom! Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I just exposed my kids to chicken pox.You can find people with them. I would suggest you local Holistic Moms Network chapter or people who send their kids to a waldorf school, as they do not vaccinate. Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Candace, what is a waldorf school? I've hear that word before but i am unsure of what type of school that is. Thanks, Rina > > I just exposed my kids to chicken pox.You can find people with them. I would suggest you local Holistic Moms Network chapter or people who send their kids to a waldorf school, as they do not vaccinate. > > Good Luck! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Rina, Posting info on the OT4VAX list... On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:56 PM, kisses4chuly <kisses4chuly@...> wrote: > > > Candace, > what is a waldorf school? I've hear that word before but i am > unsure of what type of school that is. > > Thanks, > Rina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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