Chicken Pox

[Guest guest]

Connie,

Just look up under the vaccine package insert...it states under

INDICATIONS AND USAGE.... " Revaccination

The duration of protection of VARIVAX is unknown at present and the need

for booster doses is not defined. "

Hope it helps.

langevin wrote:

>

> From: langevin <sclangevin@...>

>

> Does anyone have anything documented that backs up how long the varicella

> vax is good for? I need it for someone on another list who states it is

> 20+ years.

>

> Thanks!

> --Connie

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

No way! Even docs are worried that adolescents and adults are going to

get cp more in the future because at most the vax is good for 10 years

and will wear off right when the disease is most dangerousl I think

they're trying to make booster awareness even more so for this vax.

[Guest guest]

I recently had an argument about this vaccine with my ped. (major vax

pusher), anyway, she said that the oldest children to have received the vax

used in the US are 13-14yrs old at this point. They have been using a CP vax

in Japan for much longer but it's not the same one. My point; they have no

idea how long this vax lasts at this point, they may speculate, but they

REALLY have no idea. (Ped actually agreed with this point).

shelby

langevin wrote:

> From: langevin <sclangevin@...>

>

> Does anyone have anything documented that backs up how long the varicella

> vax is good for? I need it for someone on another list who states it is

> 20+ years.

>

> Thanks!

> --Connie

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

maybe in here???

langevin wrote:

> From: langevin <sclangevin@...>

>

> Does anyone have anything documented that backs up how long the varicella

> vax is good for? I need it for someone on another list who states it is

> 20+ years.

>

> Thanks!

> --Connie

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I was very interested in your sentence where you were talking about future

generations of women that could not pass the immunity of CP to their

children. Can you go into more details about this and where you found out

about it? I have never heard any such thing and I am very curious. Please

get back with me as soon as you can with the details.

Thanks,

Chicken Pox

>From: Marcy Koltun-Crilley <marcy@...>

>

>Chicken Pox

>

>That vaccine really bothers me.

>It pushes the ages up and down.

>The very young and the adults will be the group in the future that get

>CP and they are the ones that will suffer most.

>If we have a future generation of vaccinated women who can not pass

>antibodies to their infants, then we have created a window of

>opportunity for the virus to

>cause harm to the babies that are too young to vaccinate.

>

>I do not know for a fact if these women will not be able to pass on

>immunity

>but if they can not, we have created a real monstor.

>Also, if adults never know when they are protected as the vaccine

> " wears off "

>they can then get CP as an adult.

>CP in a pregant women can be a real problem not always for the baby

>I have seen women intubated their entire pregnancy for varicella

>pnuemonia.

>Right now that is very rare, I hate to think what may happen a few

>years down the pike.

>

>You know, to reccomend the Flu vaccine to all pregnant women after

>their 2 nd trimester

>after the whole Hep B fiasco is baffeling to me.

>It can not be that the entire medical proffession is stupid!

>They need a major paradigm shift!

>Notice that most of the really strong proffessionals that are helping

>us know with this awareness

>did so because they had a serious " wake up call " . Someone close to

>them got hurt.

>

>CONTROL

>

>If you don't control your mind, someone else will.

>

> " THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES! "

>

>Aloha

>Marcy

>

>

>Just for fun, Ya gotta see my pictures!

>http://www.easyfoto.com/marcy

>

>Marcy Koltun-Crilley

>Time and Money Unlimited

>2531 South Kihei Road A107

>Kihei, Hi 96753

>marcy@...

>808-874-5644

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since the oldest recipients of varivax are only 12 or 13 we have no idea what

it's effects will be on human reproduction or the children of the vaccinated.

We'll have to keep an eye on a few generations of guinea pigs to be sure I

guess. Below I have quoted a few paragraphs of " Vaccines, are they really safe

and effective " . It discusses how the measles vax changed the age of peak

instances of measles due to mothers no longer passing immunity on to children.

the same thing is certainly possible with CP, in my opinion.

" Since the start of measles vaccinations, the peak incidence of measles no

longer occurs in children, but in adolescents and young adults. The risk of

pneumonia and liver abnormalities is greater in this age group. According to a

recent study, such complications have increased by 3 and 20% respectively.

The vaccine is not recommended to children younger than 15 months, yet children

of this age are most at risk from complications of measles.

Before the vaccine was introduced, it was extremely rare for an infant to

contract measles. However, by 1993 more than 25% of all measles cases were

occurring in babies under a year od age. CDC officials admit this situation is

likely to get worse and attribute it to the growing number of mothers who were

vaccinated in the 1960's, 70's and 80's. (When natural immunity is denied,

measles protection cannot be passed on to their babies). "

Hope this helps.

Pugh wrote:

> From: " Pugh " <rpugh@...>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I was very interested in your sentence where you were talking about future

> generations of women that could not pass the immunity of CP to their

> children. Can you go into more details about this and where you found out

> about it? I have never heard any such thing and I am very curious. Please

> get back with me as soon as you can with the details.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chicken Pox

>

> >From: Marcy Koltun-Crilley <marcy@...>

> >

> >Chicken Pox

> >

> >That vaccine really bothers me.

> >It pushes the ages up and down.

> >The very young and the adults will be the group in the future that get

> >CP and they are the ones that will suffer most.

> >If we have a future generation of vaccinated women who can not pass

> >antibodies to their infants, then we have created a window of

> >opportunity for the virus to

> >cause harm to the babies that are too young to vaccinate.

> >

> >I do not know for a fact if these women will not be able to pass on

> >immunity

> >but if they can not, we have created a real monstor.

> >Also, if adults never know when they are protected as the vaccine

> > " wears off "

> >they can then get CP as an adult.

> >CP in a pregant women can be a real problem not always for the baby

> >I have seen women intubated their entire pregnancy for varicella

> >pnuemonia.

> >Right now that is very rare, I hate to think what may happen a few

> >years down the pike.

> >

> >You know, to reccomend the Flu vaccine to all pregnant women after

> >their 2 nd trimester

> >after the whole Hep B fiasco is baffeling to me.

> >It can not be that the entire medical proffession is stupid!

> >They need a major paradigm shift!

> >Notice that most of the really strong proffessionals that are helping

> >us know with this awareness

> >did so because they had a serious " wake up call " . Someone close to

> >them got hurt.

> >

> >CONTROL

> >

> >If you don't control your mind, someone else will.

> >

> > " THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES! "

> >

> >Aloha

> >Marcy

> >

> >

> >Just for fun, Ya gotta see my pictures!

> >http://www.easyfoto.com/marcy

> >

> >Marcy Koltun-Crilley

> >Time and Money Unlimited

> >2531 South Kihei Road A107

> >Kihei, Hi 96753

> >marcy@...

> >808-874-5644

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:27 PM 07/03/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all-

>

>Well, I'm pretty torn about whether or not I would want my three year old to

>have chicken pox at all (I have no plans for her to be vaccinated for it).

>My feelings on this stem from the recent link of a high concentration of

>antibodies to varicella in many with MS that were tested.

What are you referring too? What study?

Did those people have chicken pox vaccine???

I have a sister

>with MS, and various autoimmune diseases " run in my family " . Antibodies for

>strep also cause problems when they attack the central nervous system (I

>have a nephew with Sydenhams Chorea). I wonder whether vaccinating for

>chicken pox and strep would keep the antibody level lower though, and if

>this would be in fact, more desirable.

Never heard of a strep vaccine (yet anyway). I don't see vaccinating for

anything would help. Certainly doesn't control antibody level that I can

see - each person reacts individually and for example with measles

vaccines, some of these kids with autism have measles antibody titres going

thru the roof.

I'm referring your questions to an 'aware' pediatrician I know.

I also wonder about how the risk of

>disease vs. vaccination complications is different in our situation. One

>thing for sure, I would never have a child vaccinated for things that I know

>are a potential danger..... Until more is known, we're siding with safety,

>but what are the odds she would never contract strep or chicken pox???!!!

>Maybe this genome mapping is going to be a great help to some of us, if we

>can rule out the scary stuff!

>

>Any thoughts on this?

>

>-Margot

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sheri-

No, my sister is 47 and was diagnosed with MS at age 40, and had chicken pox

as a child like we all used to. The others tested in this study (sorry,

cannot cite any specific references) were also mostly female, and in their

20's - 40's, but that seems to be the demographics involved with the onset

of the disease.... I also remember seeing something about this particular

connection on TV a couple years ago. There are (as I'm sure you are aware)

many theories as to the causes of MS... one of the more interesting, is

exposure to canine distemper (vaccine?)...

I thought there was a strep vaccine in development.... seems I saw

information here about it. Maybe I'm confused!

Anyhow, I just wanted to express my concerns about vaccines that are

overshadowed by my particular family history of disease.

Thanks for refering my query to an " aware " pediatrician ... I really

appreciate that!

-Margot

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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:48:36 -0700

From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

Subject: Re: Chicken Pox

>Hi all-

>

>Well, I'm pretty torn about whether or not I would want my three year old

to

>have chicken pox at all (I have no plans for her to be vaccinated for it).

>My feelings on this stem from the recent link of a high concentration of

>antibodies to varicella in many with MS that were tested.

What are you referring too? What study?

Did those people have chicken pox vaccine???

I have a sister

>with MS, and various autoimmune diseases " run in my family " . Antibodies

for

>strep also cause problems when they attack the central nervous system (I

>have a nephew with Sydenhams Chorea). I wonder whether vaccinating for

>chicken pox and strep would keep the antibody level lower though, and if

>this would be in fact, more desirable.

Never heard of a strep vaccine (yet anyway). I don't see vaccinating for

anything would help. Certainly doesn't control antibody level that I can

see - each person reacts individually and for example with measles

vaccines, some of these kids with autism have measles antibody titres going

thru the roof.

I'm referring your questions to an 'aware' pediatrician I know.

I also wonder about how the risk of

>disease vs. vaccination complications is different in our situation. One

>thing for sure, I would never have a child vaccinated for things that I

know

>are a potential danger..... Until more is known, we're siding with safety,

>but what are the odds she would never contract strep or chicken pox???!!!

>Maybe this genome mapping is going to be a great help to some of us, if we

>can rule out the scary stuff!

>

>Any thoughts on this?

>

>-Margot

[Guest guest]

<<I thought there was a strep vaccine in development.... seems I saw information here about it. Maybe I'm confused! >>

There is a Strep vaccine in development. I have Strep B which caused complications with my son. He was born premature with pnuemonia even though I received prophalactic penicillan during the birth. He spent a week in the NICU and is fine now (10 months old). I have been told they are about 5 yrs away though (that was a year ago).

Kristie

[Guest guest]

Ok, good, so it sounds like if my mom ever did get

them she wouldn't DIE of it. Thanks.

--- & Troy Lucas <lucasjt@...> wrote:

> >

> > How bad IS the chickenpox at age 22? Just

> > wondering...my mom is 47 and has never had them.

>

> It's been about 10 years but lets see.... It took

> about 6 months of

> repeated exposure of children coming down with them

> in my daycare class to

> finally get them. The first day I was like this is

> a breeze. The second

> and third days were the worse. I don't remember how

> high the fever was but

> I knew I had one because I was shivering with the

> chills. basically just

> sat around naked wrapped in a sheet because I

> couldn't stand anything to

> touch my skin including my own hair. I couldn't

> sleep, didn't want to eat,

> took lots of baths. Then when the fever broke I

> just slept for like 20

> hours a day for a day or so. Then just waited for

> the spots to crust over

> and was fine. The only scars I got were ones that

> my new puppy knocked off

> trying to lick me! My husband, who was away in the

> army, had to come home

> to take care of the house and pets, I couldn't have

> handled anything myself.

> It really wasn't any worse than having strep throat

> or a bad case of the

> flu.

> Jen

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

My twin sons who have autism, and a compromised immune system (could it be

because of vaccinations?) had a horrendous case of chicken pox. It was

horrible, and when I went to the doctor with them, a nurse chewed me out for

not having them vaccinated against it! Anyway, their blisters were 2 to 3

inches in diameter, and it was as if their skin was melting off of them.

There wasn't even a finger tip I could place on healthy skin they had so many

open, oozing sores. They looked like burn victims. My 9 year old who hasn't

been vaccinated against them still hasn't gotten them and he's been exposed

countless times. I say all this to say that with proper care and attention,

my boys are fine today, and don't even have scars! It's hard to believe. At

the time we were going through it it was horrendous.

I do know of kids having to be hospitalized from the chicken pox. But my

children were extremely ill, and they weren't hospitalized. What happens

with the blisters is that if they become infected, that's how kids end up

hospitalized and even dying. The key is cleanliness and care and I believe a

healthy immune system. Why my son's blisters were so horrible is I believe

because of their weak immune system. And then there's my 9 year old who just

won't get them!

Karla in Indiana

[Guest guest]

Should I be worried that my 9 year old who has been exposed countless time to

chicken pox hasn't had them yet?

Karla in Indiana

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/00 4:18:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

selahdream@... writes:

<< Should I be worried that my 9 year old who has been exposed countless time

to

chicken pox hasn't had them yet?

Karla in Indiana

>>

That's a good question. My husband was exposed many times during his life and

never got them. Then, funny thing, he got them 1 month before I was due with

our first child!!! He was 27!

It was hard on him. HE was in a lot of pain, actually. I think he had them in

his lungs because he had a hard time breathing. BUt, we lived through it. Not

many scars (he was a picker) and we're none the worse for it. And, it's

something to think back abouth how worried I was I would go into labor early

and he couldnt' be there!!

[Guest guest]

Maybe he has and jsut didn't have any sores? I mean there have been cases

were the child only has one or two right? Couldn't they do a blood test and

find out if he has the antibodies for CP?

I can't imagine any kid being exposed that much and not getting CP? He must

be very healthy!!

Kim

>From: selahdream@...

>Reply-Vaccinationsegroups

>Vaccinationsegroups

>Subject: Re: Chicken Pox

>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:16:43 EDT

>

>Should I be worried that my 9 year old who has been exposed countless time

>to

>chicken pox hasn't had them yet?

>Karla in Indiana

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/00 4:54:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

1levy1@... writes:

<< Besides, once you have

cp, you can still get it again later in life, it just probably means that it

wouldn't be as severe. >>

My kids did two rounds, both severe, and the 2nd more severe than the first.

[Guest guest]

--- selahdream@... wrote:

> Should I be worried that my 9 year old who has been

> exposed countless time to

> chicken pox hasn't had them yet?

> Karla in Indiana

It's possible your child is already immune. Some

people never have symptoms of diseases like measles

and cp yet are immune (possibly due to an asymptomatic

infection, or other immune mechanism).

Aubin

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

karla,

i come from a family of 9 and only 2 or 3 of us had CP as kids. i was

exposed MANY times and never got it, so i assumed i had a natural immunity to

it. after being exposed during my pregnancy with elliott, my 6 yr. old, i

finally got them after he got them when he was 3 1/2 yrs.old--funny to

finally get them then (i was 32), but whatever. anyway, i was really sick

for about 24-36 hours, but after that it was just itchy and then cleared up.

i know some adults get very bad cases of CP when they get it as adults, but i

wouldn't get too preoccupied by it. the rest of the kids in my family have

still never gotten it and they're all adults with kids of their own.

brigit

[Guest guest]

Just b/c she didn't get sick doesn't mean that she doesn't have immunity to cp.

Sometimes kids can be exposed to a virus like cp and not get any symptoms, or

have them so mild that you think it's just a cold or flu. Besides, once you

have

cp, you can still get it again later in life, it just probably means that it

wouldn't be as severe.

selahdream@... wrote:

> Should I be worried that my 9 year old who has been exposed countless time to

> chicken pox hasn't had them yet?

> Karla in Indiana

>

>

[Guest guest]

Probably just has a good immune system against viruses. I didn't get them

until I was 22 and had been exposed soooo many times.

Jen

Re: Chicken Pox

> Should I be worried that my 9 year old who has been exposed countless time

to

> chicken pox hasn't had them yet?

> Karla in Indiana

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you did not have chicken pox before and would be pregnant, that would be a

major problem, however, because you already had it your body protects your

baby from this illness, so you do not have to worry about it.

Hope this helps.

Giselle Cepelik

[Guest guest]

Hi Odrade,

I don't mean to scare you, this is just one source of info, it's from

Anne Frye's Understanding Diagnostic Tests in the Childbearing Year.

You really should talk to your midwife or doctor.

"Incubation is between 10 and 20 days...Maternal infection complicated

by maternal pneumonia has a 35% mortality rate versus the 10% rate in the

nonpregnant population. Varicella may...cause a congenital syndrome

that produces scars, short limbs, small fingers and toes, and eye and nervous

system abnormalities in the first 20 weeks of pregnancy...17% of babies

born after an acute maternal infection but before antibody formation have

a life-threatening neonatal infection. Babies most at risk are those

from mothers whose symptoms appear within 5 days of delivery or up to 48

hours after birth...Varicella can reside dormant in the dorsal root ganglia

of the spine and cause recurrent infection which manifests as shingles...on

rare occasions maternal shingles will cause congenital chickenpox in the

baby. However it is felt that shingles probably do not cause birth

defects...Treatment possibilities include varicella immune globulin which

will precent or mitigate infection if given within 96 hours of exposure.

This...is considered medically safe but is not recommended for routine

use in pregnancy. Intravenour Acyclovir can be given for pneumonia,

and is said to reduce the mortality rate to 15%...(Varivax) is contraindicated

3 months prior to conception and during pregnancy."

Odrade wrote:

Hello all!

A friend of my friend's daughter developed chicken

pox last week as

a result of receiving the shot <evil grin>. My friend's son

was exposed

to the little girl while she had a fever and before she broke out in

spots. Thus in turn, my 15 month old son was exposed to the friend's

son (following all this? while *he* had a fever but before the

spots. Chances are pretty good that DS will come down with chicken

pox. I really don't care - not a big deal to me really - but

I had a

question....

I had chicken pox twice as a child and am pretty

sure that I'm now

immune; however, I'm 12 weeks pregnant. Is this a concern at

all?

Thanks for your input! ~Odrade~

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[Guest guest]

You are not immune from the varicella virus once you have had it. You can get

chickenpox more than once, as well as shingles.

cepelik@... wrote:

> If you did not have chicken pox before and would be pregnant, that would be a

> major problem, however, because you already had it your body protects your

> baby from this illness, so you do not have to worry about it.

>

> Hope this helps.

> Giselle Cepelik

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your input about chicken pox

and my pregnancy. I have left a message for my midwife but she hasn't

gotten back to me yet. I have had them twice already, and have been

exposed to chicken pox at least 10 other times in my life and haven't gotten

them again so who knows. Nothing I can really do about it now - just

have to wait and see what happens and hope for the best!!

BTW, Hi Nanci! I just "talked" to you

privately about your vaccine group today. =)

~Odrade~ (aka )

[Guest guest]

just curious, what would you (or anyone here) recommend to a pregnant

lady who hasn't had chicken pox, or rubella, and is worried about

contracting either? any particular dietary modifications a preggie

person can do, or preventive medicine? i've had chicken pox, but not

rubella. its not a concern for me at the moment because i'm not

pregnant, but and interresting point was raised.

*smile*

chris

> If you did not have chicken pox before and would be pregnant, that

would be a

> major problem, however, because you already had it your body

protects your

> baby from this illness, so you do not have to worry about it.

>

> Hope this helps.

> Giselle Cepelik

[Guest guest]

I was exposed while pregnant too, and the dr's office told me this ...

Chicken pox is a concern if you are not immune AND in the first trimester

(whew, you just made it!) or in the last couple weeks of pregnancy.