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> > My name is Jeanie and I live in South Carolina. I have just

> started with

> > tae-bo seriously. I have had the basic set for a while, but had

> been doing

> > the Firm,etc. Now I'm ready to do some serious tae-bo. I am a

> third grade

> > teacher, mother of a first grader, and am very active in labrador

> retriever

> > rescue work. Jeanie

>

> Jeanie,

>

> Welcome to the group! Congratulations on getting serious about tae-

> bo! I think you'll love it and the results you start to see once

you

> are doing it consistently. It's like no other workout I've ever

> done! What kind of work do you do with the dogs? There are lots

of

> animal lovers here, as well (I've got 3 dogs and 2 cats and a 16

> month old little girl). I look forward to hearing more about you

and

> your progress with tae-bo

>

>

Hey Jeanie, Welcome! I have been doing taebo for about 3 weeks and

posting on here for the same length of time and I love it! Good luck

with your goals.

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Welcome, Bethanne!

Bethanne Elion wrote:

Hello,

I am new to this list and thought I

would introduce myself. I do not have

children, but rather Newfoundland

Dogs. I lost my first at the age of two to

vaccines. I did not know that was the

cause right away - it was two years

later when my second newf became

auto-immune that two and two made

sense and I went back through

Sophie's records and figured it out.

Emma's auto-immunity is from

vaccines. Her liver damage -

vaccinosis. When I found real help for

hr she was an agressive dog - vaccines

cause agression through the damage

they do to the liver. I was so shocked

by all this. I had been the good little

client always vaccinating right when

shots were due and doing all the things

I was told and had very unhealthy

animals.

On the bright side it has taught me a

life style I did not have before -

organic living, natural foods and an

education that is on going in Chinese

medicine, and homeopathy and more.

I am even the list owner for the

volhard list on egroups that is a list for

those feeding naturally by this method

and following the line of health care.

Also have become a rather big

mouthed advocate against vaccinating.

I am looking forward to learning as

much as I can from this list. I have

watched two close friends and their

children - one with my God Children

who have been vaccinated and not

breast fed. they are very unhealthy

children. The other with no vaccines

and breast fed for two years and all

natural foods - healthy life style. these

children have a vital force about them

that is awesome and seems to me - quite

rare these days.

Bethanne Elion

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Hi Meg, welcome to the group! I just joined this group less than 3 days ago! I must said I am touched by the warmth from this group.

Ling

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Welcome to the group. I am sorry we all have to be here because we are sick

but you will find this group full of alot of compassion and knowledge. I

hope you get as much out of it as the rest of us do by being here for each

other. Again welcome

Tina1

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>Subject: New to List

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:43:04 -0000

>

>Hi,

>

>I'm new to this list and wanted to say hi. I'm a sufferer of a

>medical problem that is still under evaluation. I have so far been

>dx with thyroid disease and neuropathy. I have major migrains daily

>since two head traumas (i blacked out), at the end of last year.

>Also I have asthma. No fun for me <sigh> I'm currently or have been

>trying to get ssdi since the end of 1998, hoping they will approve me

>at some point so I can ward off homelessness, or living with a

>relative <just shoot me>.

>

>Well, that's a bit about me. It's a difficult life and painful. I

>am prevailing and always, though emotionally traumatic, trying to

>think of ways to better my life. At least, if nothing else, I still

>have hope.

>

>I'm happy I found this list.

>

>Meg

>

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HI :

Welcome to the list. I have a 13 year-old son, Steve, with OCD and other

alphabet soup. I also suffer from impatience and have to learn every day

to be more patient. Thanks to better living through pharmacy and also time

(Steve was diagnosed almost 3 years ago) I am getting a little more patient.

Dealing with OCD is an everyday task for us which has gotten a lot easier

since Steve got good treatment for his OCD. He is now on Luvox (200 mg on

his way to 300 mg) and does CBT (mostly E & RP = exposure and response

prevention). At the top of his OCD hierarchy is the beach (we live in

Hawaii !) and yesterday his CBT therapist took him to Coconut Island in the

bay here and he had to do some major bossing. He was in a surprisingly

good mood yesterday after this.

He is already getting a good response to his OCD from the new medication

too. He was on Paxil and I am never sure this really helped his OCD, but

it was wonderful for his depression before it pooped out after more than 2

years.

There are many of us living with kids with OCD. If you have specific

questions about different aspects of living with OCD, please ask away. You

are sure to find parents who live in your state and who may be able to

suggest local resources to you, as well as other parents of children of a

similar age.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 02:15 PM 07/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi. I am new to the listserv. I have a 9-year-old daughter with OCD. I'm

>hoping to be able to hear how other parents deal/cope with their children

>with OCD. I find that I get too impatient with her! Anyway, it's nice to

>find out that there are many more of us out there.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - welcome!

My 3 kids have ocd/depression. They were diagnosed 4 years ago. I am so

excited about having this list! For me, they are my extended family - I just

dont want to invite the whole 170 of them over at the same time!

Patience is a skill we all have to learn! Humour works wonders, btw. One

of the biggest struggles most of us have is learning when to back off and

let the kids experience their anxieties and deal with them on their own

level.

I'll give you an example where Enabling is so easy but is allowing the ocd

to control me too!

Tom, now 17, would turn on the tap, but ask me to turn it off because he

wasnt sure if it was 'really' closed. Being the 'helpful' mom, I would do

it for him.

This wasnt the right response!!

What I learned to do is train tom that if he's going to turn it on he's

going to turn it off too! This is his ocd telling him not to be sure.

We can live with the fact that our taps have the mechanisms stripped and

that they can never be shut tight! Tom broke them - and has to live with

them too! btw - his need to wash was a lot stronger than his need to be

sure the tap was closed!

One of the most important things we have all learned is finding time to

take care of ourselves! We are our kids biggest advocate and support person.

It is very stressful on us and the need to take ME time is a high priority.

Many are on medication to help us deal with the stress and depression we

feel as our kids go through such traumatic experiences. We have learned to

take time out to go out for coffee with a friend, to go for a walk, to spend

time with the other members in the family, and to make sure to pamper

ourselves!

, let us know where you live (city, state/prov/country?) as well as

what kind of therapy is available to your daughter. You can ask any question

and go on as long as you like if you need to vent!

take care, wendy, in canada (wb4@...)

================================================

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>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:15:58 EDT

>

>Hi. I am new to the listserv. I have a 9-year-old daughter with OCD. I'm

>hoping to be able to hear how other parents deal/cope with their children

>with OCD. I find that I get too impatient with her! Anyway, it's nice to

>find out that there are many more of us out there.

>

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Hi laura,

How long has your son had ocd, when was he diagnosed? My daughter is 8, and

this group has helped realize I'm not alone. I hope you get as much out of

it as I do.

What kind of rituals and compulsions or obsessions does your son have?My

daughter has fears of everything, and very complex rituals, like hopping face

scrunching and skin picking.

The meds. work off and on and sometimes it can be a real battle.

Ilene in Atlanta

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/27/2000 3:20:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

Vernenjke@... writes:

<< Hi laura,

How long has your son had ocd, when was he diagnosed? My daughter is 8, and

this group has helped realize I'm not alone. I hope you get as much out of

it as I do.

What kind of rituals and compulsions or obsessions does your son have?My

daughter has fears of everything, and very complex rituals, like hopping

face

scrunching and skin picking.

The meds. work off and on and sometimes it can be a real battle. >>

Hi. My daughter, who is nine, was just recently diagnosed. She has been

seeing a therapist for about 6 weeks now. The thing that disrupts her life

the most is the obsession with germs and diseases. She was washing her hands

every 5-10 minutes. Each week, she and the therapist decide on a " homework

assignment " for that particular week. For example, last week, her assignment

was to only take one shower a day (rather than 5 or 6). This week, she has

begun asking me each time she wants to wash her hands. We talk about why she

feels she needs to wash her hands. I do not let her unless they really need

it (before eating, after bathroom, etc.) It's difficult for me because she

becomes so upset and scared when she feels she needs to wash her hands,

begging me, crying, etc. It's very tempting to give in to make her happy, but

I don't! I think we had a small breakthrough the other day when she came to

me and said, " I ate some candies the other day (at the therapist's) after

touching a lot of doorknobs, without washing my hands (this was part of the

therapy that day) and I didn't get sick from it like I thought I would. " I

was proud of her for thinking about that and realizing. I remind her of that

when she has the compulsion to wash her hands and sometimes it helps. Other

times, nothing I say matters!

[Guest guest]

HI :

Well done to you and your daughter for bossing back OCD so well. It is

very difficult to deal with our kids' anxiety spikes and meltdowns when

they are starting to learn to boss back OCD. Just know you are doing the

hard but most loving thing in helping her " spit in the eye " of OCD.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 05:54 PM 07/29/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 07/27/2000 3:20:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

>Vernenjke@... writes:

>

><< Hi laura,

> How long has your son had ocd, when was he diagnosed? My daughter is 8, and

> this group has helped realize I'm not alone. I hope you get as much out of

> it as I do.

> What kind of rituals and compulsions or obsessions does your son have?My

> daughter has fears of everything, and very complex rituals, like hopping

>face

> scrunching and skin picking.

> The meds. work off and on and sometimes it can be a real battle. >>

>

>Hi. My daughter, who is nine, was just recently diagnosed. She has been

>seeing a therapist for about 6 weeks now. The thing that disrupts her life

>the most is the obsession with germs and diseases. She was washing her hands

>every 5-10 minutes. Each week, she and the therapist decide on a " homework

>assignment " for that particular week. For example, last week, her assignment

>was to only take one shower a day (rather than 5 or 6). This week, she has

>begun asking me each time she wants to wash her hands. We talk about why she

>feels she needs to wash her hands. I do not let her unless they really need

>it (before eating, after bathroom, etc.) It's difficult for me because she

>becomes so upset and scared when she feels she needs to wash her hands,

>begging me, crying, etc. It's very tempting to give in to make her happy,

but

>I don't! I think we had a small breakthrough the other day when she came to

>me and said, " I ate some candies the other day (at the therapist's) after

>touching a lot of doorknobs, without washing my hands (this was part of the

>therapy that day) and I didn't get sick from it like I thought I would. " I

>was proud of her for thinking about that and realizing. I remind her of that

>when she has the compulsion to wash her hands and sometimes it helps. Other

>times, nothing I say matters!

>

[Guest guest]

What sort of awful reaction did your poor baby have? I don't blame you for

your decision. I am very very chemical and environment sensitive this is why

i would not get vaccinated it would probably kill me.

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

Welcome to the group! I am also a 28 yr old mom (SAHM) of an 11 mo. old

darling angel. I am so sorry your baby had an adverse reaction to the

vaccinations. Do you have a doctor who supports your decision?

We are in NYC and have chosen not to vaccinate our dd. I was enlightened by

a chiropractor that there is a decision to be made. Before that I had no

idea. And of course I had gotten all the shots I needed through college

without every questioning it or getting risk/benefit information from the

health professionals.

I hope everything works out for you and your son.

Kim

Mom to Sami (11 mo)

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Hi Paige,

Welcome to LL. I think that you'll really enjoy the workout. It is an

easy, relaxing, energizing, and effective workout. Congratulations on

your weight loss so far. There are a couple other people on the list that

are doing LL along with Weight Watchers. Yes, you'll see good results by

adding LL. The key is to be consistent with it. Do the breathing on an

empty stomach. If you eat a meal, you should wait about 2 hrs. before

doing a workout. If you eat a snack wait at least 20 min. It's good to do

20 or more breaths before breakfast and a couple here and there

throughout the day, to get your metabolism fired up. Your goal is to work

up to at least 40 a day. Drink lots of water, which you probably know

that from WW.

You should order the original LL tape, because it will teach you how to

do the breathing and will give you a good verity of exercises to choose

from. I also suggest that you buy either Tape 1 or Tape 2 and possibly

the Stretch Band Tape. The tapes are on sale through Aug. 10th.

Have a wonderful evening!

Love, Liz

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Welcome !

It sounds like you have a little support anyway. We are just considered

weird and have no family support. In fact, MIL almost starts to cry

everytime the vax topic even comes up (even if she isn't part of the

conversation!).

Kim

Mom to Sami (11 mo)

>From: " Andy Mcanally " <clanmcanally@...>

>Reply-Vaccinationsegroups

><Vaccinationsegroups>

>Subject: New to list

>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:20:40 -0600

>

>Hello. I'm finally getting around to introducing myself to this group. I

>have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now. Lots of great

>information. I have three children. Two boys, and one girl - 5ish,3ish and

>1ish. They are all vaccine free. They are also formula free too. The

>boys were nursed to about 2years of age and my little girl is still being

>nursed and 16 months. I sure feel alot more confident in my parenting

>style now than I did when I had only one baby. It was all so new and you

>seem to question everything. Now I don't really care who knows our kids

>sleep with us etc. We live in a small town population 5OOO called

>Humboldt. It is close to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada. We haven't had

>any trouble here with the medical people. I go and get the kids weighed

>every so often. The public health nurses seem to accept us. We are only

>the third family in this town that don't vaccinate. One family is my

>sister and the other family is the local chiropractor,whom we had become

>friends with but didn't know they didn't vax either. Sure was funny when

>we found out! Anyway I'm glad this board is here as my oldest starts

>kindergarten this fall. I don't think we'll have any trouble with him not

>being vaxed. But just in case thanks for being here. What a great support

>this is. Anybody else from this area?

>Oh yes my daughters birth was here at home with a midwife and it was

>great!! My boys were at home too, and other family members. Midwifery is

>not exactly Legal here yet. We have to pay out of own pockets. Darn well

>worth it. People likely think we are a bit odd. Oh well. Sorry to go on.

> Thanks again.

>, Andy, Conor, Calum and Eilish

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In a message dated 8/8/00 12:34:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

clanmcanally@... writes:

<< Thanks again.

, Andy, Conor, Calum and Eilish >>

Welcome to the list !

And yes homebirth is awesome.

sara

[Guest guest]

Hi Jenni,

Sounds like you're son ha it full blown.

We at this site do understand what you're going through.

My son 9, started washing his hands around 25 times a day and couldn't touch anything for fear of getting sick.

He started on medicationand these things abated dramatically.

He still has the reassurance problem but we've started behavioral therapy and hopefully sometime soon it will sink in.

Good luck to you. I have found this group very supportive and extremely informative.

Terry

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Hi Jenni,

Sounds like you're son ha it full blown.

We at this site do understand what you're going through.

My son 9, started washing his hands around 25 times a day and couldn't touch anything for fear of getting sick.

He started on medicationand these things abated dramatically.

He still has the reassurance problem but we've started behavioral therapy and hopefully sometime soon it will sink in.

Good luck to you. I have found this group very supportive and extremely informative.

Terry

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HI Jenni:

Welcome to the list. As you have no doubt found out by now we have many

parents of young children with OCD and SID on this list.

The typical challenges of the early days are:

1) finding knowledgeable and experienced CBT therapists who can treat OCD

in young children. Keep hunting, never give up on finding someone to help.

2) learning about OCD so you and the rest of the family can serve as

co-therapists to reinforce CBT (with E & RP) at home.

3) extracting yourselves from being involved in OCD symptoms, e.g.

providing reassurance only once.

OCD can be brought under amazing control with CBT with meds if symptoms are

severe. My son, Steve, had severe OCD and I am a big believer in the value

of CBT as a way of life in an OCD family. I am even doing this treatment

myself for my GAD (generalized anxiety disorder). This has given me a

renewed appreciation for how hard it must have been for Steve to do this

therapy and what a strong, determined guy he is.

Please have lots of hope that the very difficult situation you are now

facing can be turned around and you can all get your lives back. IT takes

a lot of hard work, determination and quite a long time but you will be

very pleased at how much better things will get. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 05:31 PM 10/01/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>I guess I should have put more about us than I did. My son started

>showing signs of OCD when he was 3. He would not play with his

>toys. They stayed lined up all around his room in perfect order and

>he would know if anything had been moved. Every morning he would

>watch me make his bed and he would let me know what was not perfect

>on it and we would have to remake it until it was right. He

>constantly would ask if his mouth was clean. He eats with a napkin

>and a baby wipe next to him and wipes his mouth after every bite.

>Then he just started to scrub his mouth after eating, so hard that

>his face is extremely chafed. He will ask repeatedly if his mouth

>is clean after wiping for several minutes then he will lock himself

>in the bathroom and sit on the sink and check his face in the mirror

>for several minutes.

> Getting dressed in the morning is a nightmare. His socks don't

>feel right,(too tight, seam bothers him,). His underpants have to be

>perfectly lined up evenly with his belly button and sit just so on

>his hips. Then we go through the repeated questioning of are his

>underpants right. Sometimes 10 times is enough to answer sometimes

>50. Then we go through it all over again with his pants. He

>doesn't like to use the restroom because he has to start all over

>again. He constantly wants to know if his " pee " will go away all by

>itself if he doesn't go. He can't play outside because it makes him

>itch everywhere. He checks his underpants every time he passes gas

>because he is afraid he has had an accident in them. He'll make my

>husband and I check also. We have to reassure him constantly that

>there is nothing in his underpants. He doesn't like to be barefoot

>outside. He won't walk in the grass at all barefoot and if we are

>swimming he tiptoes everywhere. He just started pre-school and he

>will not use their restroom because it is dirty. Every question he

>has, has to be asked and answered several times until he is okay with

>it. I don't know anyone with OCD and am finding people don't

>understand what we are going through. He is supposed to be starting

>therapy with his O.T. for his Sensory, but we are still waiting for

>my insurance to approve it. Thank you for listening, Jenni

[Guest guest]

To the group -

Could somone please remove the picture symbol from this thread? I keep

getting a notice about opening a letter with a picture attached.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

HI Jenni,

Wow! you must be exhausted to say the leaste. My four year old has similar

issues. Wouldn't go poop for fear of getting dirty. He would hold it in

until it made him sick. He would refuse to play with other kids, if their

faces was dirty. He would get upset if his shoes were dirty, not bad dirty,

just alittle dirty. He would pick up trash when we would walk from the car

to the store. He'd pick up all the trash and throw it away. He would try

to clean the bottom of our feet during the summer time. He would try to

clean dirt up off the kitchen floor. He did this cleaning stuff at three.

When he turned four the obssession changed. He had to copy everylittle

thing his big brother did. I mean copy to the letter. Very strange. He

would insist on having milk just like his brother, when he didn't even like

milk. He would litterally pitch a hugh fit over it. So I started giving

him milk and he wouldn't drink it. Whats a parent to do? I could go on and

on, but I need to get my 7yr old up and ready for school. BTW My four year

old is now on medication, and it has been wonderful. Now meds aren't for

everyone, but it is nice to find some relief.

Take Care Angie

PS I figured out what SI Disfunction was Sensory Intergraton. Duhhh My boys

have that too. Just never seen it written like that. Have a good day.

new to list

> I guess I should have put more about us than I did. My son started

> showing signs of OCD when he was 3. He would not play with his

> toys. They stayed lined up all around his room in perfect order and

> he would know if anything had been moved. Every morning he would

> watch me make his bed and he would let me know what was not perfect

> on it and we would have to remake it until it was right. He

> constantly would ask if his mouth was clean. He eats with a napkin

> and a baby wipe next to him and wipes his mouth after every bite.

> Then he just started to scrub his mouth after eating, so hard that

> his face is extremely chafed. He will ask repeatedly if his mouth

> is clean after wiping for several minutes then he will lock himself

> in the bathroom and sit on the sink and check his face in the mirror

> for several minutes.

> Getting dressed in the morning is a nightmare. His socks don't

> feel right,(too tight, seam bothers him,). His underpants have to be

> perfectly lined up evenly with his belly button and sit just so on

> his hips. Then we go through the repeated questioning of are his

> underpants right. Sometimes 10 times is enough to answer sometimes

> 50. Then we go through it all over again with his pants. He

> doesn't like to use the restroom because he has to start all over

> again. He constantly wants to know if his " pee " will go away all by

> itself if he doesn't go. He can't play outside because it makes him

> itch everywhere. He checks his underpants every time he passes gas

> because he is afraid he has had an accident in them. He'll make my

> husband and I check also. We have to reassure him constantly that

> there is nothing in his underpants. He doesn't like to be barefoot

> outside. He won't walk in the grass at all barefoot and if we are

> swimming he tiptoes everywhere. He just started pre-school and he

> will not use their restroom because it is dirty. Every question he

> has, has to be asked and answered several times until he is okay with

> it. I don't know anyone with OCD and am finding people don't

> understand what we are going through. He is supposed to be starting

> therapy with his O.T. for his Sensory, but we are still waiting for

> my insurance to approve it. Thank you for listening, Jenni

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

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Welcome to the list! We don't vaccinate at all at our house.

~Annette

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-----Original Message-----From: dana downs [mailto:deedeedana@...]Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:36 PMVaccinationsegroupsSubject: new to listHi I am new to the list and my name is Dana. Myhusband and I are adopting a newborn in Dec. I am anurse and I am getting sooo scared over thevaccinations. I work with a nurse practitioner whofeels the way I do. I am curious as to what age do youguys that have vaccinated begin? Dana__________________________________________________

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At 08:36 PM 10/10/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi I am new to the list and my name is Dana. My

>husband and I are adopting a newborn in Dec. I am a

>nurse and I am getting sooo scared over the

>vaccinations. I work with a nurse practitioner who

>feels the way I do. I am curious as to what age do you

>guys that have vaccinated begin? Dana

>

So glad to hear of other nurses who are concerned. I personally have come

to the point where I don't agree with ANY vaccinations. I know too much.

I've posted a lot of information on my website which leads to other websites.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

What state are you in?

>

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At 08:36 PM 10/10/00 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi I am new to the list and my name is Dana. My

>husband and I are adopting a newborn in Dec. I am a

>nurse and I am getting sooo scared over the

>vaccinations. I work with a nurse practitioner who

>feels the way I do. I am curious as to what age do you

>guys that have vaccinated begin? Dana

My daughter got the " standard " vaccinations at ages 2 months, 4 months, 6

months, and ipolio at 12 months. Now, at 14 months of age, I've decided to

stop all further immunizations and will not be immunizing my newborn due in

March. I know this does not answer your question, but I wanted you to have

a perspective on it.

I once read a study (I don't remember where) that said that the " safest "

time to give shots is actually within 24 hours of birth, which made no

sense to me. However, statistically, there were less reactions in

newborns. However, at that stage, one rarely knows if their baby has

something else wrong and I don't think that taking the chance is worth it.

Adrienne

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In a message dated 10/10/00 8:37:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

deedeedana@... writes:

<< Hi I am new to the list and my name is Dana. My

husband and I are adopting a newborn in Dec. I am a

nurse and I am getting sooo scared over the

vaccinations. I work with a nurse practitioner who

feels the way I do. I am curious as to what age do you

guys that have vaccinated begin? Dana

>>

Welcome to the list Dana, I am mommy to Trenton who is almost 14 months old -

no vaccinations and don't plan on any either - he is perfect the way he is.

Congratulations on the new baby!!

Love,

Chelly

[Guest guest]

HI ocdnetangel:

Welcome to the group. My beloved OCDer is 13 and when he was diagnosed he

was 10 and sometimes acted 3 or 6 years old. It really was an incredible

lesson in developing patience for me. In fact I am still very much a

student of patience.

If you are more specific about the kinds of problems you have with your

child perhaps we can share what worked for us. What helped the most with

my son, Steve, was to get CBT (with ERP) and to take SSRIs for his major

depressive disorder. Now he is like a typical 13 year old in most ways.

We also had to implement a professional parenting plan and change the way

we parented our son to help him adjust to CBT and his OCD. It has taken

quite some time but the effort is most definitely more than worth it. Take

care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 05:06 AM 10/31/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi, I am married with four children, one which has just been

>diagnosed with ocd, and anxiety disorder, among other things. I am

>also ocd, have been for years. I find it difficult to deal with

>him. He is 15 and acts as if he were 7. I do not know if I have the

>patients for this, any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

HI ocdnetangel@...

I also have seen a regression in behaviour in our kids with ocd. Hubby

too, for that matter! I guess its easier to go back and act out at a time

when there were less expectations made of you....?

My ocd/depression kids are now 17, 14, and 11. Today they are all doing

amazingly well through counselling, and ERP, and in 2 cases, meds. What

form of treatment is your son recieving. What about you? Are you having

difficulties dealing with your son because he's O's and C's are different

from your, or is he not responding to therapy, or meds? If you can provide

us with some details, I'm sure we'll be able to offer you some advise.

Aside from your son, how are you doing? You sound tired. Are you able to

take some ME time between kid care? One of the most important survival

techniques is to take care of ourselves.

Please let us know how we can help out.... wendy in canada

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>Hi, I am married with four children, one which has just been

>diagnosed with ocd, and anxiety disorder, among other things. I am

>also ocd, have been for years. I find it difficult to deal with

>him. He is 15 and acts as if he were 7. I do not know if I have the

>patients for this, any suggestions?

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