Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Sam, is quite capable of replying on his own, but I think you may be missing his point. He doesn't say that iodine is something for everyone to be afraid of and not try it if it seems that it might help them. What he is saying is that not everything helps everybody. For example, when morphine is given to a post operative patient to alleviate their pain, that seems like the correct thing to do. However, if given to me, it acts backwards and makes the pain worse. If anybody were to give me penicillin, which is a lifesaver for most people with infection, I go into anaphalactic shock, and could die if not given epinephrine injected directly into my heart (which has happened). So you see, what works for one, or even many, might cause harm to some. That's all he was trying to say, and we should all be glad there are people on this list that are willing to buck the crowd in the interests of the safety of even one person that might be hurt. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: I don't care what you do with iodine, ...use it to save you life if there comes a time when you need to (like if you get cancer somewhere, like in your prostate or stomach) or skip it and invite me to the wake. I just get quite annoyed with some people (not you directly) who scare other people from taking something that will save their lives. Seriously, advice is fine, but no fair causing someone's death because they're scared off from taking something that will save their lives... Ok? Almost had that happen a number of months ago in another group. Don't underestimate the power that brain fog has on human thought processes... But, uh, did you actually read about TPO, what it does, what it's used for, what it works with, etc? It's really cool to know that stuff. Why? because it helps in the understanding of the mechanisims of the human body and it's requirements to run like a well oiled machine. I mean, like, uh, would you run a 2008 Maserati Granturismo at 120mph with only a half quart of cheap oil in it? I doubt it... Is the human body worth any less? I don't go to jail, I'm a smart girl. hahaha I couldn't get into any trouble during Xmas because I either had a heck of a cold or there's something in that house that I react badly to... Well, mmm, I was with hot hot boyfriend/fiance, and we could get arrested for the fun we have in private, tho...<grin> I've been a little absent here due to moving him into a new place, and then there's that getting engaged thing and all... Sam > > No; not iodophobic [is that a word???]. Personally I just don't see a > need for it. If I did see a need I wouldn't have a problem starting > with a small dose and experimenting with increasing the dose and > monitoring closely my reactions. AFTER educating myself as to the > possible negative results to be on the lookout for. > > BUT, even if I did the above and it worked well for me I would simply > report my results to the group. I WOULD NOT give everyone who happens to > stumble upon this site a " prescription " for whatever worked for me. > > AND even if my personal results were contrary to the published peer > reviewed literature I would still maintain an immense respect for same. > > Hope you had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year. Try to stay > out of jail! [ggg] > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 time to join http://www.iodine in order to have an intelligent discussion on iodine. ppl are doing very well on high dose iodine, so iodophobia may not be warranted. Gracia Sam, is quite capable of replying on his own, but I think you may be missing his point. He doesn't say that iodine is something for everyone to be afraid of and not try it if it seems that it might help them. What he is saying is that not everything helps everybody. For example, when morphine is given to a post operative patient to alleviate their pain, that seems like the correct thing to do. However, if given to me, it acts backwards and makes the pain worse. If anybody were to give me penicillin, which is a lifesaver for most people with infection, I go into anaphalactic shock, and could die if not given epinephrine injected directly into my heart (which has happened). So you see, what works for one, or even many, might cause harm to some. That's all he was trying to say, and we should all be glad there are people on this list that are willing to buck the crowd in the interests of the safety of even one person that might be hurt. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: I don't care what you do with iodine, ...use it to save you life if there comes a time when you need to (like if you get cancer somewhere, like in your prostate or stomach) or skip it and invite me to the wake. I just get quite annoyed with some people (not you directly) who scare other people from taking something that will save their lives. Seriously, advice is fine, but no fair causing someone's death because they're scared off from taking something that will save their lives... Ok? Almost had that happen a number of months ago in another group. Don't underestimate the power that brain fog has on human thought processes... But, uh, did you actually read about TPO, what it does, what it's used for, what it works with, etc? It's really cool to know that stuff. Why? because it helps in the understanding of the mechanisims of the human body and it's requirements to run like a well oiled machine. I mean, like, uh, would you run a 2008 Maserati Granturismo at 120mph with only a half quart of cheap oil in it? I doubt it... Is the human body worth any less? I don't go to jail, I'm a smart girl. hahaha I couldn't get into any trouble during Xmas because I either had a heck of a cold or there's something in that house that I react badly to... Well, mmm, I was with hot hot boyfriend/fiance, and we could get arrested for the fun we have in private, tho...<grin> I've been a little absent here due to moving him into a new place, and then there's that getting engaged thing and all... Sam > > No; not iodophobic [is that a word???]. Personally I just don't see a > need for it. If I did see a need I wouldn't have a problem starting > with a small dose and experimenting with increasing the dose and > monitoring closely my reactions. AFTER educating myself as to the > possible negative results to be on the lookout for. > > BUT, even if I did the above and it worked well for me I would simply > report my results to the group. I WOULD NOT give everyone who happens to > stumble upon this site a " prescription " for whatever worked for me. > > AND even if my personal results were contrary to the published peer > reviewed literature I would still maintain an immense respect for same. > > Hope you had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year. Try to stay > out of jail! [ggg] > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 what? if you are getting worse on iodine then you must not be taking enough (50mg Iodoral at least?) and/or you need companion nutrients or even more Armour. I only have half a thyroid gland and believe I am very iodine deficient. I like to say that I am a few molecules short of a group home LOL. The BEST way to deal with toxicity is iodine. Gracia Actually I'm already in the iodine group. But I was getting worse while taking iodine - perhaps it had nothing to do with it - just coincidence - no way to tell. I'm thinking of starting to take it every day again and see what happens. But - Gracia, since you take both iodine and a large dose of Armour then apparently it didn't cure your thyroid?? Of course I know other parts of the body need it too - read the book - and my own doctor said that when he had me start on it. I just don't know anymore. For the detox, by the way, I had 32 IV EDTA chelations and cadmium, lead and aluminum was STILL coming out. Now taking a bunch of glycine every day for three days while doing DMSA - 3 on 11 days off - because they have learned that Glycine helps get it out of organs where it hides so the chelator can take it out the rest of the way. I feel I have been hiding it in my legs that are bigger than they should be compared to the rest of me - for years. Doctor said I may be right. I can't help but wonder how many others that have various problems really have metal toxicity and just don't know it. I'm not even one that you would expect to have it - have lived healthy for years, eaten right and taken supplements. If I'm in this kind of situation what about those that smoke, work at jobs with exposure, live in polluted big cities, eat junk food, etc and take lots of prescriptions thereby compromising the liver and other detox systems? Yet they generally can't get help unless they pay cash because insurance would rather drug symptoms and keep them getting sicker. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I wonder why you think I am absorbing so much less? LOL It really seems to work well. Holistic docs use 180-300mg Armour. this is what works. you could use less Armour if you took Iodoral and adrenal support. Actually I think you might be the one iwth absorption probs. the stuff I recommend is just what holistic docs do--it is definately not what allopathic docs do. Gracia Gracia- I am in no way debating the fact that when hypoT people start getting hypoT symptoms their meds should be raised. And of all the people here I think I really do have an open mind about armour as I am very regularly taking 7 + grains a day. My only objection is using yourself as an example in a way that is misleading. You are actually absorbing soooo much less than 240 mg. I know that you are just trying to help people and I and many others really value you here. Take care, it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual. If a person doesn't feel well, has hypo symptoms, then it only makes sense to increase. I think many peeps stay on lower doses b/c of low adrenals. (which docs don't treat) Gracia Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less. Gracia- if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement. Take care, **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Gracia- If you drink coffee right after taking your armour it is most deffinitely not the same as if you were to wait the full hour. It isn't me just " thinking " that you absorb much less. It is a fact. And that has nothing to do with me and whatever health problems I have, but thanks for your concern. If you feel good and it works for you doing that, then that means that you actually need much less than 240 mg of armour. And I'm not sure why you keep mentioning the range that holistic docs use - I don't care about these silly ranges, I'm for whatever works for each individual!!!!! Good night, I wonder why you think I am absorbing so much less? LOL It really seems to work well. Holistic docs use 180-300mg Armour. this is what works. you could use less Armour if you took Iodoral and adrenal support. Actually I think you might be the one iwth absorption probs. the stuff I recommend is just what holistic docs do--it is definately not what allopathic docs do. Gracia Gracia- I am in no way debating the fact that when hypoT people start getting hypoT symptoms their meds should be raised. And of all the people here I think I really do have an open mind about armour as I am very regularly taking 7 + grains a day. My only objection is using yourself as an example in a way that is misleading. You are actually absorbing soooo much less than 240 mg. I know that you are just trying to help people and I and many others really value you here. Take care, it is pretty well accepted that the normal dose of Armour is 180--300mgs. I am not recommending anything unusual. If a person doesn't feel well, has hypo symptoms, then it only makes sense to increase. I think many peeps stay on lower doses b/c of low adrenals. (which docs don't treat) Gracia Yeah, Gracia is <<<taking>>>> 240 mg but she drinks coffee right afterwards which means she is <<<<actually getting>>>>> much much much much less. Gracia- if you want to take it that way that's fine but sometimes it seems like you make this argument of how people should increase there meds and make a comparison to what you take. It's false advertisement. Take care **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think the ranges are good to know b/c most docs will only give a small amount of Armour, like 60-120mg. I guess that's b/c of TSH. I have taken Armour (chew it up) and then not had coffee for an hour. Really seems to make no difference and works just the same, so I am a fan of sublingual absorption. Gracia Gracia- If you drink coffee right after taking your armour it is most deffinitely not the same as if you were to wait the full hour. It isn't me just " thinking " that you absorb much less. It is a fact. And that has nothing to do with me and whatever health problems I have, but thanks for your concern. If you feel good and it works for you doing that, then that means that you actually need much less than 240 mg of armour. And I'm not sure why you keep mentioning the range that holistic docs use - I don't care about these silly ranges, I'm for whatever works for each individual!!!!! Good night, I wonder why you think I am absorbing so much less? LOL It really seems to work well. Holistic docs use 180-300mg Armour. this is what works. you could use less Armour if you took Iodoral and adrenal support. Actually I think you might be the one iwth absorption probs. the stuff I recommend is just what holistic docs do--it is definately not what allopathic docs do. Gracia Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Healthy Eating A Group for families on how to eat healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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