treatment

August 11, 2001

nothing is forever except death,My doctors are

always telling me " you do this till something better

comes along " .....just do what they ask of you,the next

go round may be the charm,our bodies are always

changing it's our mental factors that slow down and get

stuck in the same place at times..take care of

yourself,keep asking questions and know that we are never alone

in this life,there's a power greater than our

selfs,trust that he is there for you too

August 12, 2001

, Sounds like you went to hell and back.

Thankyou for sharing, but I think I will pass.

Considering I am not that ill. I am going to try the essential oils.

My health, both mental and physical has improved 100% since starting Green

Barley and the other herbals I take. I still get tired but not like I used

to and I am more even tempered.

For anyone who is interested I have been taking MSM for the last few weeks.

99% of my joint and body pain has gone. My skin is renewing itself. It

feels new from the inside out and soooo... soft. I think my hair has

stopped falling out also. I have lost most of the cellulite in my legs and

my flesh has become firmer.

MSM stimulates cell growth.

I am also taking something called Maca. For those who are having hormone

problems (men or women) pmt or perimenopausal or postmenopausal.

Hep C does alter hormone production.

It stimulates the endocrine system, which shuts down when menstruation takes

over the hormones. So therefore when menstruation stops hormones are

stimulated again from the endocrine system with the help of MACA.

Actually it could be Maca helping my hair stay put.

It is helpful for both men and women to have a satisfying sex life.

Viagra move over!!!!!!!!

_________________________________________________________________

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August 30, 2001

That is too bad it is showing no response!! What

geno type do you have? what is your viral load? I

have 3a and have completed 5 mo of treatment and have

only 1 month to go. Don't lose hope....they are

coming out with new drugs and others on this board who

did not respond to rebetron have had success with the

peg treatment. Good luck.....

August 30, 2001

That is too bad it is showing no response!! What

geno type do you have? what is your viral load? I

have 3a and have completed 5 mo of treatment and have

only 1 month to go. Don't lose hope....they are

coming out with new drugs and others on this board who

did not respond to rebetron have had success with the

peg treatment. Good luck.....

January 23, 2002

I'm on " peg " it's not close to being as bad as

the first interferon with peg I take one shot

aweek,usualy on sunday,by monday the worst of the sides have

passed,I take vioxx for body pains which helps alot,and

something for the depression,it can be very hard to deal

with,it would hit me at the oddest times on the

regular interferon I had to take 3 shots a weeks,which

had severe sides,kinda like having the flu that would

not go away,everything just seemed endless I was

on regular interferon in 1993,I had severe liver

damage,was transplanted in 1997,gave this new liver

hep-c,started treatment when peg was approved last

spring treatment can be hard,is difficult..a good doctor,some

support from people in this same boat helps,a spiritual

relationship with a power great than myself,I choose " God " ,and

the willingness to take things one day at atime,has

made treatment better,easier to except the hard parts

of it as ok

January 23, 2002

I'm on " peg " it's not close to being as bad as

the first interferon with peg I take one shot

aweek,usualy on sunday,by monday the worst of the sides have

passed,I take vioxx for body pains which helps alot,and

something for the depression,it can be very hard to deal

with,it would hit me at the oddest times on the

regular interferon I had to take 3 shots a weeks,which

had severe sides,kinda like having the flu that would

not go away,everything just seemed endless I was

on regular interferon in 1993,I had severe liver

damage,was transplanted in 1997,gave this new liver

hep-c,started treatment when peg was approved last

spring treatment can be hard,is difficult..a good doctor,some

support from people in this same boat helps,a spiritual

relationship with a power great than myself,I choose " God " ,and

the willingness to take things one day at atime,has

made treatment better,easier to except the hard parts

of it as ok

January 23, 2002

Treatment affects everyone differently. It really

depends on which treatment you are going to be on. I've

done them all and the easiest one to handle was the

Peg/Riba combo. While my hair did fall out again, it

wasn't near as much as before. My appetite was much

better on this one too. The mood swings were bad, but if

that happens to you ask your Dr about

anti-depressants. They will help you get through the treatment, and

are not a permanent thing. You can find

treatment journals on my website that may help you. Just

remember, drink TONS of water, no alcohol, eat healthy,

exercise even if it doesn't seem like much, and those

things will help with the sides. Good

luck!! LeighAnn <a href=http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann

target=new>http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann</a>

January 23, 2002

Treatment affects everyone differently. It really

depends on which treatment you are going to be on. I've

done them all and the easiest one to handle was the

Peg/Riba combo. While my hair did fall out again, it

wasn't near as much as before. My appetite was much

better on this one too. The mood swings were bad, but if

that happens to you ask your Dr about

anti-depressants. They will help you get through the treatment, and

are not a permanent thing. You can find

treatment journals on my website that may help you. Just

remember, drink TONS of water, no alcohol, eat healthy,

exercise even if it doesn't seem like much, and those

things will help with the sides. Good

luck!! LeighAnn <a href=http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann

target=new>http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann</a>

October 7, 2003

For me, Synthroid never had any noticeable effect. Armour did; after my first

dose, I started feeling better.

Weight loss is the hardest thing for me. I have gone to a low-carb lifestyle

and that keeps any cravings at bay, and I'm not hungry, but I'm still losing

about half a pound a month (this is up from 1/4 pound a month on Synthroid and a

lowfat diet with severe calorie restriction).

kathryn.black@... wrote:

I am wondering how quickly after you start treatment do you start to feel

better? Has anyone experienced a significant weight loss after treatment?

Do you find dieting after treatment ANY easier?

Thanks,

October 8, 2003

When I was balanced, I managed to lose 111lb and actually get smaller

than I had been in my teens, so yes, provided your thyroid is working

ok, weight loss is possible. It is still slower than for people whose

thyroids work though, took me quite a while to lose that much.

Jan

>

> I am wondering how quickly after you start treatment do you start

to feel

> better? Has anyone experienced a significant weight loss after

treatment?

> Do you find dieting after treatment ANY easier?

> Thanks,

October 8, 2003

This balancing act seems to be what is the Main problem with this

illness. And it's not the same for any one person, that is why it's

so difficult to find a doctor to do this for you. And then you have

the rest of the hormones that change as you age. It's really complex

to get it just right.

It was great that you were able to do it, Jan. It gives everyone hope

that is battling fatigue, illness and weight problems!!

tina

-- In hypothyroidism , " janjv1311 " <janaina@v...>

wrote:

> When I was balanced, I managed to lose 111lb and actually get

smaller

> than I had been in my teens, so yes, provided your thyroid is

working

> ok, weight loss is possible. It is still slower than for people

whose

> thyroids work though, took me quite a while to lose that much.

>

> Jan

>

> >

> > I am wondering how quickly after you start treatment do you start

> to feel

> > better? Has anyone experienced a significant weight loss after

> treatment?

> > Do you find dieting after treatment ANY easier?

> > Thanks,

October 8, 2003

And I only got balanced through self-medication! I have never had a

good doctor. My cousin just trusted I knew what I was doing and wrote

the scripts and the test requests for my insurance - well, I am older

than her, so I could bully her into doing what I wanted. LOL

Jan

> > >

> > > I am wondering how quickly after you start treatment do you

start

> > to feel

> > > better? Has anyone experienced a significant weight loss after

> > treatment?

> > > Do you find dieting after treatment ANY easier?

> > > Thanks,

January 31, 2004

Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm

January 31, 2004

Karolyn,

I hope your not taken in by Lloyd 's sales pitch....that would be sad

and a waste of money.

BobK

At 01:21 PM 01/31/2004, karolynt47 wrote:

>Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.\

htm

>

>----------

>

January 31, 2004

alii,

At 03:20 PM 01/31/2004, alii wright wrote:

>Bob, I was wondering if you are paid by the drug companies to spread

>fear and negativity and belittle anyone who wants to heal

>alternatively?

That's curious since I was wondering if you were involved in Lloyd 's

business venture. Who has been healed by Lloyd s protocol

(percentages of patients who have taken his nostrums and cleared)? That's

probably a bit much to ask for since his poster child Melody reduced her

viral load in half which is totally insignificant...I imagined that she

spent about $3,500.00 to do this (based on Lloyd's current prices). I have

met many people who have tried these protocols and ended up with nothing

but empty wallets and crushed hopes....what are you selling?

Why would I have to be paid by anyone in order to be skeptical of dubious

claims? In god we trust all others please provide evidence....in Lloyd's

case he is the only one who seems to be cured via his protocol...but I

imagine he likes spending your money!

The simple fact that Lloyd is using Pamela to promote his sales

should be enough to make everyone run as fast as they can from this gentleman

>Oh and when you use " your " spelled like that it means belonging to

>and not you-are which I think you were trying to say, that is

>spelled " you're " .

That is a problem with using a spell checker...thanks for the correction!

regards,

BobK

>alii

>

> > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > >

> >

> ><<http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/inter

> ferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/in

>terferons.htm

> > >

> > >----------

> > >

January 31, 2004

Bob, I was wondering if you are paid by the drug companies to spread

fear and negativity and belittle anyone who wants to heal

alternatively?

Oh and when you use " your " spelled like that it means belonging to

and not you-are which I think you were trying to say, that is

spelled " you're " .

alii

> >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> >

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/in

terferons.htm

> >

> >----------

> >

January 31, 2004

As it stands at this moment in time the only alternative to Pegasys

combination therapy is Pegetron combination therapy if one is

seeking to remove the virus from the red blood cells of one's body.

What other's may want to do with other unproven treatments are

entirely their personal concern. When some suggest that a method

has " cured " them of the Hepatitis C virus using some other treatment

protocol than interferon based medicines, they might want to

consider providing evidence to support their claims. That would seem

to be a reasonable thing to do when suggesting something or some

product has cured one of a disease or condition. To suggest that

some receive funds from the pharms is outrageous at best, as most

are looking for critical evaluations to assist them with the

management of the disease.

Fairly simple endeavour for most, but as often common sense is not

all that common, the best way to defend your position is to attack

the credibility of others by suggesting they are secretly on the

take. How sad.

andy

> > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > >

> >

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/i

n

> terferons.htm

> > >

> > >----------

> > >

January 31, 2004

Dear Bob,

As a matter of fact I do not even buy my Natcell from Lloyd, I buy it

from the Bio company that manufacturers it. I have never bought

anything from him. So you can rest assured that I am not benefitting

from Lloyd 's business ventures, nor is Lloyd benifitting from

me. I believe that being pro-active and positive in healing is very

important, I have also told people about yoga and praying and

meditation and acupuncture helping me feel better. I have not seen

you post any positive suggestions for feeling better. Correct me if

I am wrong as I only joined this board a month or so ago.

And Bob,I am not selling anything either, I just get sick and tired

of watching people give their lives over to be experimented on by the

pharmaceutical companies ( who are only in it for the money I think).

" ...I imagined that she spent about $3,500.00 to do this (based on

Lloyd's current prices). "

Well,Bob, I do know lots of people who have had higher reductions in

their virul loads, right down to " undectected " and you're right they

didn't pay $3,500.00. Their insurance companies only

paid ...what ...$45,000.00. But their loads came back higher than

before. And as for my friends who rode the interferon rollercoaster,

it seems to have cost them a life of pain and misery and being more

and more removed from their health and their normal lives.

So far, Bob, I am happy to spend my $$ on something that helps me

feel better because then I can work more and make more money and my

bank account is actually ahead because of my renewed energy so I

can't help but see this as a positive thing for me. I have never

actually told anyone to do interferon or not to do interferon or to

do natcell or not to do natcell or anything. I have merely shared

what I am doing and how I feel. I don't send cryptic fear based

warnings to people that are trying to deal with a scarey situation.

I believe that opinions are like toothbrushes,,,everyone has one so

there's no need to share......that said I couldn't ignore your

opinions.

Best wishes for your recovery,Alii

> > > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > > >

> > >

> >

><<http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/i

nter

> > ferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/in

> >terferons.htm

> > > >

> > > >----------

> > > >

January 31, 2004

Dear Alli,

>And Bob,I am not selling anything either, I just get sick and tired

>of watching people give their lives over to be experimented on by the

>pharmaceutical companies ( who are only in it for the money I think).

Funny how your later comments about opinions doesn't apply here! I guess

you will have to tell that to all the thousands and thousands of HCV

patients who are quite grateful to be " cured " of this disease by taking the

evil interferon.

> " ...I imagined that she spent about $3,500.00 to do this (based on

>Lloyd's current prices). "

>Well,Bob, I do know lots of people who have had higher reductions in

>their virul loads, right down to " undectected " and you're right they

>didn't pay $3,500.00. Their insurance companies only

>paid ...what ...$45,000.00. But their loads came back higher than

>before.

The problem with the natcell claims is the the claimed viral loads are

insignificant. Viral loads naturally fluctuate between 5-8 fold....anything

in this range is insignificant....pretty well recognized fact. You also to

bee forgetting those where the virus has not come back...the

responders. Or don't you believe that it is possible to be " cured " of this

virus? Your pricing is pretty high I would re-check your source.

>And as for my friends who rode the interferon rollercoaster,

>it seems to have cost them a life of pain and misery and being more

>and more removed from their health and their normal lives.

Well my friends seem to think otherwise.

>I have merely shared

>what I am doing and how I feel. I don't send cryptic fear based

>warnings to people that are trying to deal with a scarey situation.

If your trying to say I am sending cryptic messages your mistaken. I have

no problem telling people straight out that there is no evidence that this

(natcell products) will do anything for you other than empty your

wallet. If the empty wallet makes you feel good than I am happy for you.

natcell products are proteins. Although Lloyd claims they are small

peptides with molecular weights of 30,000 daltons he is mistaken. I

regularly work with metallothioneins whic are a protein and weight 5-7,000

daltons. A peptide chain of that weight (30.000) is considered a protein

and as such it will be digested like any other protein into its amino acid

constituents. For a molecular weight of that size it contains about 300

amino acid residues. If one of these natcell pig products made it into

your bloodstream your body your immune system would recognize the foreign

protein and mount a immune response against the invader. If you believe

that these proteins are getting into you bloodstream you need to read up on

digestion and the GI tract. The only way to get intact peptides or

proteins into the bloodstream is by injection...that also has the problem

that pig proteins are not a very good thing to inject into your body.

>

>I believe that opinions are like toothbrushes,,,everyone has one so

>there's no need to share

Funny how you think that should apply to me yet you seem quite free to

express your opinions. Duplicitous at best.

You really need to read up on what foreign proteins will do in the body and

about how proteins are digested. Once you understand these topics you will

know why you are getting nothing but amino acids from the natcell

products....expensive amino acids at that!!

Alii you can spend your money anyway you wish. There are problems with the

products you are referring too. If you don't want to recognize or explore

what these problems are that is also your prerogative

Regards,

BobK

January 31, 2004

Good point Andy,

You said- >When some suggest that a method

> has " cured " them of the Hepatitis C virus using some other

treatment

> protocol than interferon based medicines, they might want to

> consider providing evidence to support their claims.

However, I did not claim to be cured, I am not trying to tell anyone

what to do or not to do. I am not selling anything. I have never

tried to make someone feel bad or ignorant so that they would not

look at possibilities. I have never told others what to do,I don't

actually even care about what anyone else does, I only care about how

I feel, how my husband feels, how my children feel.

You are also right about this Andy -

>

> ... the best way to defend your position is to attack

> the credibility of others by suggesting they are secretly on the

> take. How sad. " ,

seeing as how Bob also asked me -----

> " That's curious since I was wondering if you were involved in Lloyd

>'s

>business venture. "

And once again you are right when you say

> " What other's may want to do with other unproven treatments are

> entirely their personal concern. "

So I guess you do get it, it's about personal concerns.

I stand alone without facts and figures and numbers and I can't

prove anything and it doesn't matter.

alii

> > > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/i

> n

> > terferons.htm

> > > >

> > > >----------

> > > >

January 31, 2004

I can provide lab reports going back to 1998, and viral loads from

1993 forward, I could suggest that during some of the periods where

things were on the low side that is from some protocol or eating big

Mac's every day, but reality may suggest that this is a common

occurrence with many with the disease. To try to imply that these

variations are anything but the normal course of the disease would

be fraudulent on my part...but if anyone would wish to see my double

secret protocol, please email me privately and for a small monthly

fee I will send you my totally fabulous incredible and proven method

of reducing the viral loads and enzyme markers.

> > > > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/i

> > n

> > > terferons.htm

> > > > >

> > > > >----------

> > > > >

January 31, 2004

Dear Bob,

I have yet to meet any....

you will have to tell that to all the thousands and thousands of HCV

> patients who are quite grateful to be " cured " of this disease by

taking the

> evil interferon.

( I did not call it evil interferon in case you think I did)

And I truly wish some of my hcv fighting friends,ANY of my friends

WERE responders.

The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and respects by

the way) told me it cost.

You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I respect you

for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate people but

there is more than one way of communicating the same message to people

without trying to make them feel stupid for being confused and trying

to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are scared of

dying.

I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to how to live

with hepC when interferon doesn't work?

regards,Alii

> Dear Alli,

>

> >And Bob,I am not selling anything either, I just get sick and tired

> >of watching people give their lives over to be experimented on by

the

> >pharmaceutical companies ( who are only in it for the money I

think).

>

> Funny how your later comments about opinions doesn't apply here! I

guess

> you will have to tell that to all the thousands and thousands of

HCV

> patients who are quite grateful to be " cured " of this disease by

taking the

> evil interferon.

>

> > " ...I imagined that she spent about $3,500.00 to do this (based on

> >Lloyd's current prices). "

> >Well,Bob, I do know lots of people who have had higher reductions

in

> >their virul loads, right down to " undectected " and you're right

they

> >didn't pay $3,500.00. Their insurance companies only

> >paid ...what ...$45,000.00. But their loads came back higher than

> >before.

>

> The problem with the natcell claims is the the claimed viral loads

are

> insignificant. Viral loads naturally fluctuate between 5-8

fold....anything

> in this range is insignificant....pretty well recognized fact. You

also to

> bee forgetting those where the virus has not come back...the

> responders. Or don't you believe that it is possible to be " cured "

of this

> virus? Your pricing is pretty high I would re-check your source.

>

> >And as for my friends who rode the interferon rollercoaster,

> >it seems to have cost them a life of pain and misery and being more

> >and more removed from their health and their normal lives.

>

> Well my friends seem to think otherwise.

>

> >I have merely shared

> >what I am doing and how I feel. I don't send cryptic fear based

> >warnings to people that are trying to deal with a scarey situation.

>

> If your trying to say I am sending cryptic messages your mistaken.

I have

> no problem telling people straight out that there is no evidence

that this

> (natcell products) will do anything for you other than empty your

> wallet. If the empty wallet makes you feel good than I am happy

for you.

>

> natcell products are proteins. Although Lloyd claims they are

small

> peptides with molecular weights of 30,000 daltons he is mistaken.

I

> regularly work with metallothioneins whic are a protein and weight

5-7,000

> daltons. A peptide chain of that weight (30.000) is considered a

protein

> and as such it will be digested like any other protein into its

amino acid

> constituents. For a molecular weight of that size it contains

about 300

> amino acid residues. If one of these natcell pig products made it

into

> your bloodstream your body your immune system would recognize the

foreign

> protein and mount a immune response against the invader. If you

believe

> that these proteins are getting into you bloodstream you need to

read up on

> digestion and the GI tract. The only way to get intact peptides or

> proteins into the bloodstream is by injection...that also has the

problem

> that pig proteins are not a very good thing to inject into your

body.

>

> >

> >I believe that opinions are like toothbrushes,,,everyone has one so

> >there's no need to share

>

> Funny how you think that should apply to me yet you seem quite free

to

> express your opinions. Duplicitous at best.

>

> You really need to read up on what foreign proteins will do in the

body and

> about how proteins are digested. Once you understand these topics

you will

> know why you are getting nothing but amino acids from the natcell

> products....expensive amino acids at that!!

>

> Alii you can spend your money anyway you wish. There are problems

with the

> products you are referring too. If you don't want to recognize or

explore

> what these problems are that is also your prerogative

>

> Regards,

> BobK

January 31, 2004

HaaaHaaaa Andy,

That'll show how stupid everyone else is and how all knowing,

clever and witty you are!!,way to go man. You should feel so proud of

your mature and helpful way of communicating with the other mere

mortals that are also sick and scared.

alii

> > > > > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/i

> > > n

> > > > terferons.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > >----------

> > > > > >

February 1, 2004

No, Bob, not taken in. Just thought the info was interesting.

Karolyn

> >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> >

>

><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/in

terferons.htm

> >

> >----------

> >

February 1, 2004

What part did you think was interesting?

BobK

At 09:59 AM 02/01/2004, you wrote:

>No, Bob, not taken in. Just thought the info was interesting.

>Karolyn

>

> > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.

> > >

> >

> ><<http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/inter

> ferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/in

>terferons.htm

> > >

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