Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 alii, this is how he gets his (sick) kicks..... [ ] Re: Treatment HaaaHaaaa Andy, That'll show how stupid everyone else is and how all knowing, clever and witty you are!!,way to go man. You should feel so proud of your mature and helpful way of communicating with the other mere mortals that are also sick and scared.alii> > > > > >Before deciding on treatment, visit this site.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><http://hepcsolutions.com/interferons.htm>http://hepcsolutions.com/i> > > n> > > > terferons.htm> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >----------> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Satya I take a wonderful formulation based on SSKT--It is Jay's Superblend, and I'm feeling wonderful on it. Bob seems to agree that this, and also Vit E., healthy lifestyle, and a couple other things not offered by western medicine as helpful in managing Hep c. [bK] More correctly I said there is evidence that the sho-saiko-to has helped normalize or lower LFT. I clearly stated that there is no evidence as to what this means as far as progression of disease...there is no data to suggest anything else.....please paraphrase my statments correctly...the loose language you are so fond of using is not acceptable when it comes to attributing statments to me! I would consider practices such as yoga, meditation, relaxation techniques a part of a healthy lifestyle, as they concern exercise and stress management. Looks like a natural/alternative protocol to me, just like the one I've been on for a few years now. Yet every time I come here and suggest these same things I get grief. [bK} You get grief because the claims you make for the results of your protocol are not supported by the lab tests you post...evidently you are still having a hard time understanding this aspect of your comments and claims!! It's obvious you only like to hear good things from your own mouth. the truth is, you are, in this post, advocating alternative medicine as management for hep c, in certain cases, for certain people, which is always what I have asserted. Satya you have asserted many things among them the virtues of microhydrin and how you were going to be cleared of the virus by your protocol. You claimed that ravensara oil is (was) killing the virus in your body...NONE of that has (or is) been true and yet you still cling to these assertions....that is why you get grief...its your outlandish claims you try to get us to believe!! You claimed that you have had a log drop or more in your viral load yet the test results you post indicate that this is not true. You've insinuated that your liver has healed and fibrosis has probably been reversed yet you have no pretreatment data to support this assertion. It is a matter of seperating myth from fact...we don't want to give anyone false impressions about what these protocols may and may not do!! Nothing in my recent posts is anything new. If you would have read the numerous posts I have made to you regarding your earlier claims you would have recognized this much sooner. I can repost those old posts of mine if you wish to refresh your memory! regards, BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Bob - My post was stirctly for informational purposes. I thought it was a good one for those who are contemplating treatment. I'm glad my gastro scared me out of doing it. Of course, he didn't have that (scaring me) in mind, but he so bluntly told me how sick I would be, it doubled my resolve to take care of myself in the best ways I could find. Of course, I've read people's treatment success stories, and I've also read many horror stories. I just think people need to be iformed of both sides of the story and know what their getting themselves into, especially those who are in good shape and are being urged by their doctors to do treatment. Why are you looking for ulterior motives in my post, Bob? Best regards, Karolyn > > > Dear Alii, > > > >,I have yet to meet any.... > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist? > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and respects > >by > > > >the way) told me it cost. > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive. > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I respect > >you > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate people but > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same message to > >people > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being confused and > >trying > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are scared of > > > >dying. > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to your > >arrival. I > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post and > >Karolyn's beliefs. > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to how to live > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work? > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is there > >evidence that > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I would > >certainly > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, exercise, > >and eating > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from alcohol and > >any drugs > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical condition. I > >wouldn't > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other such > >nonsense. I > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, collodial silver > >or any > > > other alleged " cure " . > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and his/her > >status with > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > >maintenance > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best option for > >prevention > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data presented > >to date > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has little > >damage > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the best > >option. In > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent progression > >there are > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting a > >normalization > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as preventing > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and of > >themselves > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient presenting > >with > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered a good > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help many people > >in > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan Kettering > >and > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up LFT's > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a beneficial > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for normalizing LFT's > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This " bear bile " works in > >about > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what degree is > >hard to > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and the best > >review > > > article states that all we can conclude is " we just don't know " > >about the > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good thing. > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any evidence > >of > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of course what > >you take > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what the most > >troubling > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed. > > > > > > regards, > > > BobK > > > > > > > >---------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Karolyn, It troubles me that people, such as yourself are unable to discern the distortion of facts contained in Lloyd's diatribe against interferons. Within the article you posted what aspects did you find (or think was) informative? I ask this in all seriousness so we might discuss how Lloyd is using some very twisted logic to make a sales pitch....and evidently he is succeeding in fooling quite a few people with his pseudoscience!! regards, BobK At 05:16 PM 02/02/2004, karolynt47 wrote: >Bob - My post was stirctly for informational purposes. I thought it >was a good one for those who are contemplating treatment. I'm glad my >gastro scared me out of doing it. Of course, he didn't have that >(scaring me) in mind, but he so bluntly told me how sick I would be, >it doubled my resolve to take care of myself in the best ways I could >find. Of course, I've read people's treatment success stories, and >I've also read many horror stories. I just think people need to be >iformed of both sides of the story and know what their getting >themselves into, especially those who are in good shape and are being >urged by their doctors to do treatment. > >Why are you looking for ulterior motives in my post, Bob? > >Best regards, >Karolyn > > > > > > Dear Alii, > > > > >,I have yet to meet any.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist? > > > > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and >respects > > >by > > > > >the way) told me it cost. > > > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive. > > > > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I >respect > > >you > > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate people >but > > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same message to > > >people > > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being confused and > > >trying > > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are scared >of > > > > >dying. > > > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to your > > >arrival. I > > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post and > > >Karolyn's beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to how to >live > > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work? > > > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is there > > >evidence that > > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I would > > >certainly > > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, exercise, > > >and eating > > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from alcohol and > > >any drugs > > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical >condition. I > > >wouldn't > > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other such > > >nonsense. I > > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, collodial >silver > > >or any > > > > other alleged " cure " . > > > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and his/her > > >status with > > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > > >maintenance > > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best option for > > >prevention > > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data >presented > > >to date > > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has >little > > >damage > > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the best > > >option. In > > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent progression > > >there are > > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting a > > >normalization > > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as >preventing > > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and of > > >themselves > > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient presenting > > >with > > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered a good > > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help many >people > > >in > > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan >Kettering > > >and > > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up LFT's > > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a beneficial > > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for normalizing >LFT's > > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This " bear bile " >works in > > >about > > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what degree >is > > >hard to > > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and the best > > >review > > > > article states that all we can conclude is " we just don't know " > > >about the > > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good >thing. > > > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any >evidence > > >of > > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of course what > > >you take > > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what the most > > >troubling > > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > BobK > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 who says none of what I posted about my protocol or efficacy thereof is true? My increase and maintenance of an excellent quality of life as well as excellent lab results are proof enough for me. And for my doctors. I'm not interested in your interpretation of my truth. At all. By the way, I'm too busy with Kusika to bother with most of this anymore. thanks. See ya, Satya Re: [ ] Re: Treatment Satya I take a wonderful formulation based on SSKT--It is Jay's Superblend, and I'm feeling wonderful on it. Bob seems to agree that this, and also Vit E., healthy lifestyle, and a couple other things not offered by western medicine as helpful in managing Hep c. [bK] More correctly I said there is evidence that the sho-saiko-to has helped normalize or lower LFT. I clearly stated that there is no evidence as to what this means as far as progression of disease...there is no data to suggest anything else.....please paraphrase my statments correctly...the loose language you are so fond of using is not acceptable when it comes to attributing statments to me! I would consider practices such as yoga, meditation, relaxation techniques a part of a healthy lifestyle, as they concern exercise and stress management. Looks like a natural/alternative protocol to me, just like the one I've been on for a few years now. Yet every time I come here and suggest these same things I get grief. [bK} You get grief because the claims you make for the results of your protocol are not supported by the lab tests you post...evidently you are still having a hard time understanding this aspect of your comments and claims!! It's obvious you only like to hear good things from your own mouth. the truth is, you are, in this post, advocating alternative medicine as management for hep c, in certain cases, for certain people, which is always what I have asserted. Satya you have asserted many things among them the virtues of microhydrin and how you were going to be cleared of the virus by your protocol. You claimed that ravensara oil is (was) killing the virus in your body...NONE of that has (or is) been true and yet you still cling to these assertions....that is why you get grief...its your outlandish claims you try to get us to believe!! You claimed that you have had a log drop or more in your viral load yet the test results you post indicate that this is not true. You've insinuated that your liver has healed and fibrosis has probably been reversed yet you have no pretreatment data to support this assertion. It is a matter of seperating myth from fact...we don't want to give anyone false impressions about what these protocols may and may not do!! Nothing in my recent posts is anything new. If you would have read the numerous posts I have made to you regarding your earlier claims you would have recognized this much sooner. I can repost those old posts of mine if you wish to refresh your memory! regards, BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Yes andy, I do qualify for food stamps, being low income by the standards of ANY state. I personally take an expensive natural protocol, reviewed and approved by my western doctor, and subsidized as out-of-pocket medical expenses by the state. I sell nothing under the table. You must have me confused with Satya's Celestial Emporium & gifts, which is a business owned by my boyfriend, and from which I receive no monies. What are you doing anyway, hanging out looking in my windows? You're one rude aggressive person with whom I have nothing more to discuss. Satya [ ] Re: Treatment Satya,The things you have accused me are doing are in fact true, unfortunatly you have left out, threateneing people who do not agree with your views with physical violence. I need not to make myself self superior, as you seem to that very well without my help.Hope you enjoy cashing your food stamps, while being perfectly healthy and selling ubder the table. That is a felony in most places, and for me it is stealing from those who really need help.Very sad> > Dear Alii,> > >,I have yet to meet any....> > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist?> > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and respects > by> > >the way) told me it cost.> > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive.> > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I respect > you> > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate people but> > >there is more than one way of communicating the same message to > people> > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being confused and > trying> > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are scared of> > >dying.> > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to your > arrival. I > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post and > Karolyn's beliefs.> > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to how to live> > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work?> > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is there > evidence that > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I would > certainly > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, exercise, > and eating > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from alcohol and > any drugs > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical condition. I > wouldn't > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other such > nonsense. I > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, collodial silver > or any > > other alleged "cure".> > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and his/her > status with > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > maintenance > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best option for > prevention > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data presented > to date > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has little > damage > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the best > option. In > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent progression > there are > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting a > normalization > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as preventing > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and of > themselves > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient presenting > with > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered a good > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help many people > in > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan Kettering > and > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up LFT's > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a beneficial > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for normalizing LFT's > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This "bear bile" works in > about > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what degree is > hard to > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and the best > review > > article states that all we can conclude is "we just don't know" > about the > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good thing.> > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any evidence > of > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of course what > you take > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what the most > troubling > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed.> > > > regards,> > BobK> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 You're one rude aggressive person with whom I have nothing more to discuss. I may be these things, especially when it comes to the disgust I find with people like you. Actually we use her posts for humorous enjoyment, how to spot a scammer, combined with why one should always keep to the truth, as often, as in Satyas's case, their own statements are all that is needed to disprove their statements. Case in point, in one breath she suggests that she is so ever healthy and can out drum others half her age, then goes on to suggest that her protocol is approved by her western doc and she receives food stamps to pay for them, then goes on to say that she is selling product from her home. Now she claims she receives no money from this but just claimed she made $400.00 from a private sale. I was under the impression that food stamps were for marginalized people who needed help feeding themselves. I now know it is a program designed for well-educated people to support their music and strange health ambitions. So the food stamp program is for artists who need to purchase expensive herbal concoctions, and not for those suffering from the inability to feed their families. Just another scam from the scammers as far as I'm concerned. > > > Dear Alii, > > > >,I have yet to meet any.... > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist? > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and > respects > > by > > > >the way) told me it cost. > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive. > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I > respect > > you > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate people > but > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same message > to > > people > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being confused > and > > trying > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are scared > of > > > >dying. > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to your > > arrival. I > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post and > > Karolyn's beliefs. > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to how > to live > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work? > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is there > > evidence that > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I would > > certainly > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, > exercise, > > and eating > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from alcohol > and > > any drugs > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical > condition. I > > wouldn't > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other such > > nonsense. I > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, collodial > silver > > or any > > > other alleged " cure " . > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and his/her > > status with > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > > maintenance > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best option > for > > prevention > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data > presented > > to date > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has > little > > damage > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the best > > option. In > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent > progression > > there are > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting a > > normalization > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as > preventing > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and of > > themselves > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient > presenting > > with > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered a > good > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help many > people > > in > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan > Kettering > > and > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up LFT's > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a beneficial > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for normalizing > LFT's > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This " bear bile " > works in > > about > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what > degree is > > hard to > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and the > best > > review > > > article states that all we can conclude is " we just don't > know " > > about the > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good > thing. > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any > evidence > > of > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of course > what > > you take > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what the > most > > troubling > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed. > > > > > > regards, > > > BobK > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ----------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 you must be thinking of someone else. I never said I sell any products. I do say I sell no products. I don't know where you are getting your information, but if you can find out what someone bought from me costing $400, please let me know. They owe me for it. Satya [ ] Re: Treatment You're one rude aggressive person with whom I have nothing more to discuss. I may be these things, especially when it comes to the disgust I find with people like you.Actually we use her posts for humorous enjoyment, how to spot a scammer, combined with why one should always keep to the truth, as often, as in Satyas's case, their own statements are all that is needed to disprove their statements.Case in point, in one breath she suggests that she is so ever healthy and can out drum others half her age, then goes on to suggest that her protocol is approved by her western doc and she receives food stamps to pay for them, then goes on to say that she is selling product from her home. Now she claims she receives no money from this but just claimed she made $400.00 from a private sale.I was under the impression that food stamps were for marginalized people who needed help feeding themselves. I now know it is a program designed for well-educated people to support their music and strange health ambitions. So the food stamp program is for artists who need to purchase expensive herbal concoctions, and not for those suffering from the inability to feed their families. Just another scam from the scammers as far as I'm concerned.> > > Dear Alii,> > > >,I have yet to meet any....> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist?> > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and > respects > > by> > > >the way) told me it cost.> > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive.> > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I > respect > > you> > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate people > but> > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same message > to > > people> > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being confused > and > > trying> > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are scared > of> > > >dying.> > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to your > > arrival. I > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post and > > Karolyn's beliefs.> > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to how > to live> > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work?> > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is there > > evidence that > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I would > > certainly > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, > exercise, > > and eating > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from alcohol > and > > any drugs > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical > condition. I > > wouldn't > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other such > > nonsense. I > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, collodial > silver > > or any > > > other alleged "cure".> > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and his/her > > status with > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > > maintenance > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best option > for > > prevention > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data > presented > > to date > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has > little > > damage > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the best > > option. In > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent > progression > > there are > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting a > > normalization > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as > preventing > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and of > > themselves > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient > presenting > > with > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered a > good > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help many > people > > in > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan > Kettering > > and > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up LFT's > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a beneficial > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for normalizing > LFT's > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This "bear bile" > works in > > about > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what > degree is > > hard to > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and the > best > > review > > > article states that all we can conclude is "we just don't > know" > > about the > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good > thing.> > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any > evidence > > of > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of course > what > > you take > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what the > most > > troubling > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed.> > > > > > regards,> > > BobK> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------> -----------> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 As per the usual...you are so full of it...be careful what you write...this seems to apply to everything you write. I would call it being very untruthful; others may have stronger words. From: " thecelestialspirit " <thecelestialspirit@a...> Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:28 am Subject: Re: [jovo] Re: thoughts for karolyn As you know, we moved out of the rented space and we set up downstairs in our house, in a large space where we don't live. I was able to make 3 private sales of $40 each, since then, and someone even did their X-mas shopping with us and spent $300. it's not the best arrangement, and we aren't officially open, just selling privately, but at least there's no overhead, and at least I don't feel like I'm completely out of business! .... I definitely felt like we let the community down, since our store was the only store of that type, and because we were doing music and healing workshops, which were well- attended. We had a little community cultural thing going on. > > > > Dear Alii, > > > > >,I have yet to meet any.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist? > > > > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and > > respects > > > by > > > > >the way) told me it cost. > > > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive. > > > > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I > > respect > > > you > > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate > people > > but > > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same > message > > to > > > people > > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being > confused > > and > > > trying > > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are > scared > > of > > > > >dying. > > > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to > your > > > arrival. I > > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post > and > > > Karolyn's beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to > how > > to live > > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work? > > > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is > there > > > evidence that > > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I > would > > > certainly > > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, > > exercise, > > > and eating > > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from > alcohol > > and > > > any drugs > > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical > > condition. I > > > wouldn't > > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other > such > > > nonsense. I > > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, > collodial > > silver > > > or any > > > > other alleged " cure " . > > > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and > his/her > > > status with > > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > > > maintenance > > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best > option > > for > > > prevention > > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data > > presented > > > to date > > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has > > little > > > damage > > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the > best > > > option. In > > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent > > progression > > > there are > > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting > a > > > normalization > > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as > > preventing > > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and > of > > > themselves > > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient > > presenting > > > with > > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered > a > > good > > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help > many > > people > > > in > > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan > > Kettering > > > and > > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up > LFT's > > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a > beneficial > > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for > normalizing > > LFT's > > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This " bear bile " > > works in > > > about > > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what > > degree is > > > hard to > > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and > the > > best > > > review > > > > article states that all we can conclude is " we just don't > > know " > > > about the > > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good > > thing. > > > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any > > evidence > > > of > > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of > course > > what > > > you take > > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what > the > > most > > > troubling > > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > BobK > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ---- > > ----------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours. He is still in business, just not in a space downtown, and yes, I made the sales, since he wasn't home--all monies collected are HIS, not mine. and the products we sell have nothing to do with supplements......NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you reprimanded ME for? why don't you admit you're obsessed with me the same way you were with Jeanine? Only problem is you're treading down a dead end street. why don't you go fuck yourself andy. Re: [jovo] Re: thoughts for karolynAs you know, we moved out of the rented space and we set up downstairs in our house, in a large space where we don't live. I was able to make 3 private sales of $40 each, since then, and someone even did their X-mas shopping with us and spent $300. it's not the best arrangement, and we aren't officially open, just selling privately, but at least there's no overhead, and at least I don't feel like I'm completely out of business! .... I definitely felt like we let the community down, since our store was the only store of that type, and because we were doing music and healing workshops, which were well- attended. We had a little community cultural thing going on. > > > > Dear Alii,> > > > >,I have yet to meet any....> > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist?> > > > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows and > > respects > > > by> > > > >the way) told me it cost.> > > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive.> > > > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, and I > > respect > > > you> > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate > people > > but> > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same > message > > to > > > people> > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being > confused > > and > > > trying> > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that are > scared > > of> > > > >dying.> > > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior to > your > > > arrival. I > > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by Lloyd's > > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the post > and > > > Karolyn's beliefs.> > > > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards to > how > > to live> > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work?> > > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is > there > > > evidence that > > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I > would > > > certainly > > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, > > exercise, > > > and eating > > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from > alcohol > > and > > > any drugs > > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical > > condition. I > > > wouldn't > > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any other > such > > > nonsense. I > > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, > collodial > > silver > > > or any > > > > other alleged "cure".> > > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and > his/her > > > status with > > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it then > > > maintenance > > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best > option > > for > > > prevention > > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the data > > presented > > > to date > > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient has > > little > > > damage > > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be the > best > > > option. In > > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent > > progression > > > there are > > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least exhibiting > a > > > normalization > > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far as > > preventing > > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in and > of > > > themselves > > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient > > presenting > > > with > > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is considered > a > > good > > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to help > many > > people > > > in > > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at Sloan > > Kettering > > > and > > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up > LFT's > > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a > beneficial > > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for > normalizing > > LFT's > > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This "bear bile" > > works in > > > about > > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to what > > degree is > > > hard to > > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad and > the > > best > > > review > > > > article states that all we can conclude is "we just don't > > know" > > > about the > > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a good > > thing.> > > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has any > > evidence > > > of > > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of > course > > what > > > you take > > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and what > the > > most > > > troubling > > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > BobK> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > -----------> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 I have never complained about cross posting, just those who constantly lie about everything, which is you. Read your own words, have a long debate with yourself, as I am but the lonely messenger. These words of yours, have not been edited for effect, they are there plain and simple as all your other lies over the past year. In fact I don't think you could remember the truth even if your life depended on it. Actually you might change your name to something other than what you use now, as truth is the last thing that most folks here expect from you. Very sad > > > > > Dear Alii, > > > > > >,I have yet to meet any.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows > and > > > respects > > > > by > > > > > >the way) told me it cost. > > > > > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, > and I > > > respect > > > > you > > > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate > > people > > > but > > > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same > > message > > > to > > > > people > > > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being > > confused > > > and > > > > trying > > > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that > are > > scared > > > of > > > > > >dying. > > > > > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior > to > > your > > > > arrival. I > > > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by > Lloyd's > > > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the > post > > and > > > > Karolyn's beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards > to > > how > > > to live > > > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work? > > > > > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is > > there > > > > evidence that > > > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I > > would > > > > certainly > > > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, > > > exercise, > > > > and eating > > > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from > > alcohol > > > and > > > > any drugs > > > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical > > > condition. I > > > > wouldn't > > > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any > other > > such > > > > nonsense. I > > > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, > > collodial > > > silver > > > > or any > > > > > other alleged " cure " . > > > > > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and > > his/her > > > > status with > > > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it > then > > > > maintenance > > > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best > > option > > > for > > > > prevention > > > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the > data > > > presented > > > > to date > > > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient > has > > > little > > > > damage > > > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be > the > > best > > > > option. In > > > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent > > > progression > > > > there are > > > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least > exhibiting > > a > > > > normalization > > > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far > as > > > preventing > > > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in > and > > of > > > > themselves > > > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient > > > presenting > > > > with > > > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is > considered > > a > > > good > > > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to > help > > many > > > people > > > > in > > > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at > Sloan > > > Kettering > > > > and > > > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up > > LFT's > > > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a > > beneficial > > > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for > > normalizing > > > LFT's > > > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This " bear > bile " > > > works in > > > > about > > > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to > what > > > degree is > > > > hard to > > > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad > and > > the > > > best > > > > review > > > > > article states that all we can conclude is " we just > don't > > > know " > > > > about the > > > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a > good > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has > any > > > evidence > > > > of > > > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of > > course > > > what > > > > you take > > > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and > what > > the > > > most > > > > troubling > > > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > BobK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ---- > > ---- > > > ----------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 >you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post >andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, >he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours. Again Saty you refer to the storespace as ours...is it his or is it yours and his ( " ours " )? You gotta be careful about that loose language you are so fond of using. >NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you >reprimanded ME for? Satya you have slipped a cog or two! Andy never mentioned re=posting others posts...I did (BobK). It was I (BobK) who reprimanded you for reposting my posts to other lists. Your reply to me indicated to all that you feel that this is a correct and proper thing to do so what is your beef?? Do you think Andy and I are one and the same? regards, BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 you are but the lonely liar. and now you are speaking for others on the group---why don't you let people speak for themselves? Satya [ ] Re: Treatment I have never complained about cross posting, just those who constantly lie about everything, which is you. Read your own words, have a long debate with yourself, as I am but the lonely messenger. These words of yours, have not been edited for effect, they are there plain and simple as all your other lies over the past year. In fact I don't think you could remember the truth even if your life depended on it. Actually you might change your name to something other than what you use now, as truth is the last thing that most folks here expect from you.Very sad> > > > > Dear Alii,> > > > > >,I have yet to meet any....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you don't believe they exist?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The $45.000 was what my Vancouver Dr. (who Andy knows > and > > > respects > > > > by> > > > > >the way) told me it cost.> > > > > > > > > > Even in Canadian dollars that seems excessive.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You seem to be quite passionate about this issue, > and I > > > respect > > > > you> > > > > >for that. I recognize that you are trying to educate > > people > > > but> > > > > >there is more than one way of communicating the same > > message > > > to > > > > people> > > > > >without trying to make them feel stupid for being > > confused > > > and > > > > trying> > > > > >to help themselves. We are all fragile beings that > are > > scared > > > of> > > > > >dying.> > > > > > > > > > Many of these issues have a history that extends prior > to > > your > > > > arrival. I > > > > > was hoping that Karolyn had not been decieved by > Lloyd's > > > > > claims.......seemed likely given the content of the > post > > and > > > > Karolyn's beliefs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what you Do approve of in regards > to > > how > > > to live> > > > > >with hepC when interferon doesn't work?> > > > > > > > > > IT isn't a question of what I approve of but rather is > > there > > > > evidence that > > > > > a particular protocol has any evidence of efficacy. I > > would > > > > certainly > > > > > approve of a healthy lifestyle getting plenty of rest, > > > exercise, > > > > and eating > > > > > a balanced diet. I would approve of abstaining from > > alcohol > > > and > > > > any drugs > > > > > that are not necessary for you to take for a medical > > > condition. I > > > > wouldn't > > > > > approve of cleansing or detoxing or zapping or any > other > > such > > > > nonsense. I > > > > > wouldn't approve of natcell products, microhydrin, > > collodial > > > silver > > > > or any > > > > > other alleged "cure".> > > > > > > > > > outside of that a lot would depend on the patient and > > his/her > > > > status with > > > > > the disease. If severity of the disease warrants it > then > > > > maintenance > > > > > therapy with interferon alone is a probably the best > > option > > > for > > > > prevention > > > > > to cirrhosis and ESLD. It is experimental but the > data > > > presented > > > > to date > > > > > look very promising. If on the other hand the patient > has > > > little > > > > damage > > > > > after many years of infection doing nothing might be > the > > best > > > > option. In > > > > > patients who have fibrosis and are trying to prevent > > > progression > > > > there are > > > > > a couple of things that seem to work...at least > exhibiting > > a > > > > normalization > > > > > or reduction in LFT's. The long-term response as far > as > > > preventing > > > > > fibrosis progression just isn't known. While LFT's in > and > > of > > > > themselves > > > > > aren't good predictors of liver damage in the patient > > > presenting > > > > with > > > > > elevated enzymes normalizing these enzymes is > considered > > a > > > good > > > > > thing. Formulations based on Sho-saiko-to seem to > help > > many > > > people > > > > in > > > > > normalizing their enzymes. It is being studied at > Sloan > > > Kettering > > > > and > > > > > there are a lot of heppers with lab reports to back up > > LFT's > > > > > normalizing. Vit. E in high doses seems to have a > > beneficial > > > > > effect. There is also ursodeoxycholic acid for > > normalizing > > > LFT's > > > > > indicating a reduction in inflammation. This "bear > bile" > > > works in > > > > about > > > > > 50% of patients. Milk thistle seems to help but to > what > > > degree is > > > > hard to > > > > > tell. The literature on milk thistle is pretty bad > and > > the > > > best > > > > review > > > > > article states that all we can conclude is "we just > don't > > > know" > > > > about the > > > > > overall efficacy. A daily multi-vit without iron is a > good > > > thing.> > > > > > > > > > There isn't anything else that I can think of that has > any > > > evidence > > > > of > > > > > efficacy but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of > > course > > > what > > > > you take > > > > > all depends on what the goal of the patient is and > what > > the > > > most > > > > troubling > > > > > symptoms that are trying to be addressed.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > BobK> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------> ----> > ----> > > -----------> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?. We live in the same huge house, which is in his name. Technically, we live in separate apartments. In one of his, he (with me helping) has set up the store. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob? since my boyfriend and I have been together for many years, we "loosely" consider "what is mine is ours"-or cannot you understand this concept either? I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being graded. Just because you and andy don't like me, it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk about turtles if I want. Re: [ ] Re: Treatment >you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post >andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, >he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours.Again Saty you refer to the storespace as ours...is it his or is it yours and his ("ours")? You gotta be careful about that loose language you are so fond of using.>NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you >reprimanded ME for?Satya you have slipped a cog or two! Andy never mentioned re=posting others posts...I did (BobK). It was I (BobK) who reprimanded you for reposting my posts to other lists. Your reply to me indicated to all that you feel that this is a correct and proper thing to do so what is your beef?? Do you think Andy and I are one and the same?regards,BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Satya, >I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have >obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?. I read your posts very carefully and it clearly states that " we " moved " our " business. You then tried to convince me that " We " actually meant " boyfriend " and I wondered if that were the case why you didn't write " boyfriend " moved his business instead of " our " business. >. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob? Your ad hominem attack belies the desperation you must feel at getting caught in your duplicitous statements. > I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any > of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being > graded. If you wish to not be misunderstood then you need to drop the " loose " language and write what you actually mean and what is actually true otherwise we cannot extrapolate and determine what is indeed true...we take your writings at face value...and they clearly stated " we " not boyfriend's when you referenced your business sales. >Just because you and andy don't like me, Satya if I didn't like you I would not have helped you interpret your viral load tests....no one else stepped forward to help. Your on-line manners are not very conducive to peaceful communications...see above example and also refer to your latest post to Andy. > it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should > consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk > about turtles if I want. And if you were talking about turtles how are we supposed to know that you weren't talking about osprey's given your " loose " language communication skills? regards, BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you have anything better to do?????????????????????? > Satya, > >I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have > >obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?. > > > I read your posts very carefully and it clearly states that " we " moved > " our " business. You then tried to convince me that " We " actually meant > " boyfriend " and I wondered if that were the case why you didn't write > " boyfriend " moved his business instead of " our " business. > > >. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob? > > > Your ad hominem attack belies the desperation you must feel at getting > caught in your duplicitous statements. > > > > I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any > > of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being > > graded. > > > If you wish to not be misunderstood then you need to drop the " loose " > language and write what you actually mean and what is actually true > otherwise we cannot extrapolate and determine what is indeed true...we take > your writings at face value...and they clearly stated " we " not boyfriend's > when you referenced your business sales. > > >Just because you and andy don't like me, > > > Satya if I didn't like you I would not have helped you interpret your viral > load tests....no one else stepped forward to help. Your on-line manners > are not very conducive to peaceful communications...see above example and > also refer to your latest post to Andy. > > > it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should > > consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk > > about turtles if I want. > > And if you were talking about turtles how are we supposed to know that you > weren't talking about osprey's given your " loose " language communication > skills? > > regards, > BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 At 04:36 PM 02/11/2004, karolynt47 wrote: >GIVE IT A REST >ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you have anything >better to do?????????????????????? I like the !!! points!! but way too many questions!! regards, BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 sorry, I can't keep you two clones/idiots straight. Re: [ ] Re: Treatment >you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post >andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, >he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours.Again Saty you refer to the storespace as ours...is it his or is it yours and his ("ours")? You gotta be careful about that loose language you are so fond of using.>NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you >reprimanded ME for?Satya you have slipped a cog or two! Andy never mentioned re=posting others posts...I did (BobK). It was I (BobK) who reprimanded you for reposting my posts to other lists. Your reply to me indicated to all that you feel that this is a correct and proper thing to do so what is your beef?? Do you think Andy and I are one and the same?regards,BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 yearh, MOST people can, and get it the first time. Re: [ ] Re: Treatment> > > > >you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post > >andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, > >he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours.> > > Again Saty you refer to the storespace as ours...is it his or is it yours > and his ("ours")? You gotta be careful about that loose language you are > so fond of using.> > > >NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you > >reprimanded ME for?> > > Satya you have slipped a cog or two! Andy never mentioned re=posting > others posts...I did (BobK). It was I (BobK) who reprimanded you for > reposting my posts to other lists. Your reply to me indicated to all that > you feel that this is a correct and proper thing to do so what is your > beef?? Do you think Andy and I are one and the same?> > regards,> BobK> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Bob, you are too anal, why don't you give it a break. You pick apart my every post like you're looking for lice in some kids hair or something. Re: [ ] Re: Treatment Satya,>I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have >obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?.I read your posts very carefully and it clearly states that "we" moved "our" business. You then tried to convince me that "We" actually meant "boyfriend" and I wondered if that were the case why you didn't write "boyfriend" moved his business instead of "our" business.>. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob?Your ad hominem attack belies the desperation you must feel at getting caught in your duplicitous statements.> I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any > of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being > graded.If you wish to not be misunderstood then you need to drop the "loose" language and write what you actually mean and what is actually true otherwise we cannot extrapolate and determine what is indeed true...we take your writings at face value...and they clearly stated "we" not boyfriend's when you referenced your business sales.>Just because you and andy don't like me,Satya if I didn't like you I would not have helped you interpret your viral load tests....no one else stepped forward to help. Your on-line manners are not very conducive to peaceful communications...see above example and also refer to your latest post to Andy.> it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should > consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk > about turtles if I want.And if you were talking about turtles how are we supposed to know that you weren't talking about osprey's given your "loose" language communication skills?regards,BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 DITTO! [ ] Re: Treatment GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you have anything better to do??????????????????????> Satya,> >I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have > >obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?.> > > I read your posts very carefully and it clearly states that "we" moved > "our" business. You then tried to convince me that "We" actually meant > "boyfriend" and I wondered if that were the case why you didn't write > "boyfriend" moved his business instead of "our" business.> > >. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob?> > > Your ad hominem attack belies the desperation you must feel at getting > caught in your duplicitous statements.> > > > I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any > > of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being > > graded.> > > If you wish to not be misunderstood then you need to drop the "loose" > language and write what you actually mean and what is actually true > otherwise we cannot extrapolate and determine what is indeed true...we take > your writings at face value...and they clearly stated "we" not boyfriend's > when you referenced your business sales.> > >Just because you and andy don't like me,> > > Satya if I didn't like you I would not have helped you interpret your viral > load tests....no one else stepped forward to help. Your on-line manners > are not very conducive to peaceful communications...see above example and > also refer to your latest post to Andy.> > > it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should > > consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk > > about turtles if I want.> > And if you were talking about turtles how are we supposed to know that you > weren't talking about osprey's given your "loose" language communication > skills?> > regards,> BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Satya, If you would demonstrate some manners (good not bad) in your on-line communications you will find that responses to your posts will be in a positive light. You were the one who brought your private affairs into the fray not I!! Also when you use loose language, like the DNA vs RNA, that type of misinformation will be corrected. BobK Re: [ ] Re: Treatment Satya,>I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have >obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?.I read your posts very carefully and it clearly states that "we" moved "our" business. You then tried to convince me that "We" actually meant "boyfriend" and I wondered if that were the case why you didn't write "boyfriend" moved his business instead of "our" business.>. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob?Your ad hominem attack belies the desperation you must feel at getting caught in your duplicitous statements.> I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any > of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being > graded.If you wish to not be misunderstood then you need to drop the "loose" language and write what you actually mean and what is actually true otherwise we cannot extrapolate and determine what is indeed true...we take your writings at face value...and they clearly stated "we" not boyfriend's when you referenced your business sales.>Just because you and andy don't like me,Satya if I didn't like you I would not have helped you interpret your viral load tests....no one else stepped forward to help. Your on-line manners are not very conducive to peaceful communications...see above example and also refer to your latest post to Andy.> it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should > consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk > about turtles if I want.And if you were talking about turtles how are we supposed to know that you weren't talking about osprey's given your "loose" language communication skills?regards,BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 No one twists your words dear, except you. If it just to much trouble to be truthful, then don't get all out of whack, while trying to dig yourself out of holes that you create with your BS claims. In here you make great claims about the things you ingest, being so responsible for your excellent health. Whereas on other boards you complain that maybe the things you ingest are making you sick. You really can't have it both ways. I do see some purpose in pointing out to those who may think you actually have a clue as to what you are talking about, that in fact you are full of BS. You may be having a wonderful time fooling yourself, but please keep it that way. If you actually have something constructive to add, then by all means please do. What you do with your posts is extremely irresponsible, especially for one who claims all the certificates and degrees as you claim. What I still find puzzling even after your attempted deflection and more lies, if you are just so healthy and well educated, why is that you can't seem to get off your ass and find some gainful employment instead of ripping off the taxpayers via food stamps for things you could easily afford. Your lifestyle and values seem to hand in hand with the patterns you present in this forum. Yes Satya, you are special, and I'm sure the taxpayers would welcome you fraudulently using their money for your special high priced ingestibles that seem to make you sick. You are in actuality, a thief and a fraud and I challenge you refute my accusations. Since you will be unable, why don't you just do what you have claimed to do and get lost? What a loser. > sorry, I can't keep you two clones/idiots straight. > Re: [ ] Re: Treatment > > > > >you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post > >andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, > >he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours. > > > Again Saty you refer to the storespace as ours...is it his or is it yours > and his ( " ours " )? You gotta be careful about that loose language you are > so fond of using. > > > >NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you > >reprimanded ME for? > > > Satya you have slipped a cog or two! Andy never mentioned re=posting > others posts...I did (BobK). It was I (BobK) who reprimanded you for > reposting my posts to other lists. Your reply to me indicated to all that > you feel that this is a correct and proper thing to do so what is your > beef?? Do you think Andy and I are one and the same? > > regards, > BobK > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 I've NEVER discussed my private life with you, bob. andy is the one bringing up posts from ANOTHER GROUP I post on. HE brought up my private life. And guess what? I have hep c just like you. I figure considering that you could treat me as you'd like to be treated. with respect for the battle I fight every day. You think it's easy to stay well with this disease? It's hard work to use a purely natural protocol for treatment. Just because I'm well most of the time doesn't mean I don't work for it. That's why I have no time for anything non-constructive, as in having conversations with either you or andy. I'm sick of both of your shit in total. You and andy are simply picking on me at every turn to get your jollies, to make yourselves look superior. It's common amongst those of your ilk. You don't have to worry. I'm not talking to you two, EVER, as I said in my last post. SO IGNORE ME PLEASE, or you are the ones keeping this bullshit going. Please forget about our discussion concerning books or whatever. I'm done with trying to deal with either of you two on any level at all. I would totally be pleased if you would just ignore my posts, as I am going to ignore yours and andy's from now on. There is nothing constructive that could ever come out of a conversation between you and me. I've asked you politely before, as will now again. Please ignore me and leave me alone. Same goes for andy. I'm on a few good compassionate groups, and this is not one of them. I'm just here for some of the good info presented by claudine in texas and a few others. Satya Re: [ ] Re: Treatment Satya,>I have nothing to prove to you guys, so get off my ass--bob you have >obviously not read my post carefully, or do you just not get it?.I read your posts very carefully and it clearly states that "we" moved "our" business. You then tried to convince me that "We" actually meant "boyfriend" and I wondered if that were the case why you didn't write "boyfriend" moved his business instead of "our" business.>. Are you too stupid to visualize this concept, Bob?Your ad hominem attack belies the desperation you must feel at getting caught in your duplicitous statements.> I wonder if you realize that my conversation does not have to meet any > of your requirements, since you are not the teacher, and I am not being > graded.If you wish to not be misunderstood then you need to drop the "loose" language and write what you actually mean and what is actually true otherwise we cannot extrapolate and determine what is indeed true...we take your writings at face value...and they clearly stated "we" not boyfriend's when you referenced your business sales.>Just because you and andy don't like me,Satya if I didn't like you I would not have helped you interpret your viral load tests....no one else stepped forward to help. Your on-line manners are not very conducive to peaceful communications...see above example and also refer to your latest post to Andy.> it doesn't mean I have to conform to your ideas of what posts should > consist of. since there is no moderator, I can come on here and talk > about turtles if I want.And if you were talking about turtles how are we supposed to know that you weren't talking about osprey's given your "loose" language communication skills?regards,BobK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 andy you are totally full of shit. I'm not leaving this group. (you can) Just ignore my posts. However, you can go on and on all you want if it is helping you feel better. I guess you could call it "alternative therapy"......Just one more question.....Is someone who's considered disabled, collecting disability (which I'm not, by the way) necessarily UNhealthy and UNeducated (as you infer below)? What about someone who's blind----couldn't they be smart as a whip and healthy as a horse? As usual you're as dumb as a fuck. Re: [ ] Re: Treatment> > > > >you do nothing but twist my words, always and as usual. Read the post > >andy. In my boyfriend's apartment, downstairs in the house where I live, > >he has set up the storespace, as we moved out of ours.> > > Again Saty you refer to the storespace as ours...is it his or is it yours > and his ("ours")? You gotta be careful about that loose language you are > so fond of using.> > > >NOW who's posting E-mails from other sites? Isn't this what you > >reprimanded ME for?> > > Satya you have slipped a cog or two! Andy never mentioned re=posting > others posts...I did (BobK). It was I (BobK) who reprimanded you for > reposting my posts to other lists. Your reply to me indicated to all that > you feel that this is a correct and proper thing to do so what is your > beef?? Do you think Andy and I are one and the same?> > regards,> BobK> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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