Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2003 Most pH test kits use litmus paper. This would be okay for checking the the pH of a clear fluid such as saliva or urine. If you are thinking of using it to test blood pH, it would not work. Just guessing since I had asked the question on blood pH earlier. If you have had a recent blood test it may have been something that was measured by the lab. It is not something that a person can accurately, or safely, do for themself. All the best, Jim > Local stores do not have a testing kit for Ph. Does anyone know of an on line > store I could purchase one from? > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 From: Boswell <eboswell@...> > Dr. Hans > A.Nieper has said that of all the cancer patients he has treated their blood > is acidic He may have said that, but a significant portion of cancer patients are alkaline (Kelley, ), namely parasympathetic-dominants and slow-oxidizers). Even for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that it's wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying can inhibit it [boik]). Even for those who are acidic and for whom it's wise to alkalinize, foods classified as " alkalinizing " don't always alkalinize the body; in some persons, they further acidify the body (Wolcott, Kristal). > My Doctor tells me that if your blood gets acidic you are a gonner. I think that's a misleading statement, unless he's referring to extremely acidic levels, which (like extreme alkaline levels) are deadly but aren't achieved thur eating a healthy diet. Incidentally, hyperthermia works by acidifying cancer cells (Boik). I'm NOT saying it's a bad idea to alkalinize, but it's not always a good idea either (Boik). And there are many factors more important than pH. > some juices > will test acidic with litmus paper, > but have an alkaline reaction in the system, because they conatin the > alkaline minerals. Yes, among other reasons. > Citrus fruits are a good example True. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 17, 2004 From: Boswell <eboswell@...> > Dr. Hans > A.Nieper has said that of all the cancer patients he has treated their blood > is acidic He may have said that, but a significant portion of cancer patients are alkaline (Kelley, ), namely parasympathetic-dominants and slow-oxidizers). Even for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that it's wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying can inhibit it [boik]). Even for those who are acidic and for whom it's wise to alkalinize, foods classified as " alkalinizing " don't always alkalinize the body; in some persons, they further acidify the body (Wolcott, Kristal). > My Doctor tells me that if your blood gets acidic you are a gonner. I think that's a misleading statement, unless he's referring to extremely acidic levels, which (like extreme alkaline levels) are deadly but aren't achieved thur eating a healthy diet. Incidentally, hyperthermia works by acidifying cancer cells (Boik). I'm NOT saying it's a bad idea to alkalinize, but it's not always a good idea either (Boik). And there are many factors more important than pH. > some juices > will test acidic with litmus paper, > but have an alkaline reaction in the system, because they conatin the > alkaline minerals. Yes, among other reasons. > Citrus fruits are a good example True. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 In a message dated 1/18/04 2:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, leonardleonard1@... writes: > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that > it's > wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying > can > inhibit it [boik]). I guess what mom said was true then..to eat a balanced meal??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 In a message dated 1/18/04 2:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, leonardleonard1@... writes: > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that > it's > wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying > can > inhibit it [boik]). I guess what mom said was true then..to eat a balanced meal??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 In a message dated 1/18/04 2:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, leonardleonard1@... writes: > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that > it's > wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying > can > inhibit it [boik]). So is the old saying true...eat a balanced meal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 In a message dated 1/18/04 2:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, leonardleonard1@... writes: > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that > it's > wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying > can > inhibit it [boik]). So is the old saying true...eat a balanced meal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 From: <szukidavis@...> > In a message dated 1/18/04 2:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > leonardleonard1@... writes: > > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that > > it's wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying > > can inhibit it [boik]). > > So is the old saying true...eat a balanced meal? Not exactly. I was making the point that the effects of diet on pH are less predictable than most people believe, and the effects of pH on cancer growth and their interaction w/cancer treatments are much less predictable than most believe, and that therefore it's unwise for a person w/cancer to go out of their way just to try to alkalinize (or acidify) unless they have a specific, informed medical reason for doing so (in the context of their overall treatment plan). For instance, if I was taking pancreatic enzymes or the Hoxsey formula, I would try to stay on the alkaline side in order to enhance their effectiveness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 From: <szukidavis@...> > In a message dated 1/18/04 2:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > leonardleonard1@... writes: > > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that > > it's wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying > > can inhibit it [boik]). > > So is the old saying true...eat a balanced meal? Not exactly. I was making the point that the effects of diet on pH are less predictable than most people believe, and the effects of pH on cancer growth and their interaction w/cancer treatments are much less predictable than most believe, and that therefore it's unwise for a person w/cancer to go out of their way just to try to alkalinize (or acidify) unless they have a specific, informed medical reason for doing so (in the context of their overall treatment plan). For instance, if I was taking pancreatic enzymes or the Hoxsey formula, I would try to stay on the alkaline side in order to enhance their effectiveness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Leonard is very correct in his advice about pH. If you want to have a better understanding of pH and how it works in physiology, go to some of the online anesthesia residency programs, e.g., http://www.qldanaesthesia.com/AcidBaseBook/ Although intended for those whose vocation it is to pass gas, and it does not cover cancer, it will prepare you with enough of a background to study the complexities of cancer and pH. Re: pH > From: Boswell <eboswell@...> > > Dr. Hans > > A.Nieper has said that of all the cancer patients he has treated their blood > > is acidic > He may have said that, but a significant portion of cancer patients are alkaline > (Kelley, ), namely parasympathetic-dominants and slow-oxidizers). Even > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that it's > wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying can > inhibit it [boik]). Even for those who are acidic and for whom it's wise to > alkalinize, foods classified as " alkalinizing " don't always alkalinize the body; > in some persons, they further acidify the body (Wolcott, Kristal). > > > My Doctor tells me that if your blood gets acidic you are a gonner. > I think that's a misleading statement, unless he's referring to extremely acidic > levels, which (like extreme alkaline levels) are deadly but aren't achieved thur > eating a healthy diet. Incidentally, hyperthermia works by acidifying cancer > cells (Boik). > > I'm NOT saying it's a bad idea to alkalinize, but it's not always a good idea > either (Boik). And there are many factors more important than pH. > > > some juices > > will test acidic with litmus paper, > > but have an alkaline reaction in the system, because they conatin the > > alkaline minerals. > Yes, among other reasons. > > > Citrus fruits are a good example > True. > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Leonard is very correct in his advice about pH. If you want to have a better understanding of pH and how it works in physiology, go to some of the online anesthesia residency programs, e.g., http://www.qldanaesthesia.com/AcidBaseBook/ Although intended for those whose vocation it is to pass gas, and it does not cover cancer, it will prepare you with enough of a background to study the complexities of cancer and pH. Re: pH > From: Boswell <eboswell@...> > > Dr. Hans > > A.Nieper has said that of all the cancer patients he has treated their blood > > is acidic > He may have said that, but a significant portion of cancer patients are alkaline > (Kelley, ), namely parasympathetic-dominants and slow-oxidizers). Even > for those who are acidic, it doesn't follow (nor is it always true) that it's > wise to alkalinize (alkalinizing can promote cancer growth, and acidifying can > inhibit it [boik]). Even for those who are acidic and for whom it's wise to > alkalinize, foods classified as " alkalinizing " don't always alkalinize the body; > in some persons, they further acidify the body (Wolcott, Kristal). > > > My Doctor tells me that if your blood gets acidic you are a gonner. > I think that's a misleading statement, unless he's referring to extremely acidic > levels, which (like extreme alkaline levels) are deadly but aren't achieved thur > eating a healthy diet. Incidentally, hyperthermia works by acidifying cancer > cells (Boik). > > I'm NOT saying it's a bad idea to alkalinize, but it's not always a good idea > either (Boik). And there are many factors more important than pH. > > > some juices > > will test acidic with litmus paper, > > but have an alkaline reaction in the system, because they conatin the > > alkaline minerals. > Yes, among other reasons. > > > Citrus fruits are a good example > True. > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2004 Dear Mohamad-Nabil, > In testing urine samples before > and after 30 minutes of using it, in some volunteers > he measured a change in body pH, from acidic to more > alkaline or neutral. Many researchers believe that > regulating the body’s pH is a very important factor in > achieving good health and a strong immune system. Testing the urine is not a valid indicator of tissue and fluid pH. It varies widely throughout the day. Saliva pH taken in the morning on arising is the closest indicator we have to resting cell and lymph pH. More on pH can be found on Dick Loyd's site: www.royalrife.com. regards, Duncan Crow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2005 But in the user manual supported by www.qxcisynergy.co.uk, it says that high Proton Pressure(>75) means alkalinity. cooky > Sylvia, this pH is always confusing ( in the beginning) High proton pressue > means much H+ ( = protons), this is acidic. AND the same as LOW pH. So one > more time: High proton pressure IS LOW pH = high acidity. So Your Biotensor > ( your own aura-intuition) was alright, just confirming what I've just said. > Noel. > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Sylvia Schmid [mailto:schmid@s...] > Verzonden: vrijdag 25 april 2003 12:23 > Aan: qxci-english > Onderwerp: ph > > > I still find that the majority of people in this country is testing 'too > alkaline', protons above 80 most of them and I have a problem accepting that > high protons is alkalinity. When I test the same person with a biotensor > they are too acid which seems more likely to me as most are on a > meat-eating, high alcohol, unhealthy diet here. > Reading this info below should it not be that high protons are high > acidity? It might be my understanding of english, but here it stands black > on white that the more protons the more acid their system is? > This is on the Injury page, top left corner - Information on the Terrain > tab, please explain again: > > The ph is the inverse log of the proton pressure or the available > protons. Acids accept electrons because they are mostly protons. The more > protons the more acid the system. The eh is the inverse log of the of the > electron pressure or the available electrons. Bases donate electrons. With > our sophisticated electrical system we can measure the ph and eh > electrically. > > > > We can add electrons to an over acid system, or neutralize excesses. - > How would I do this on the QX? The Trivector does a balance but usually they > are still high protons the next time I test. Adding apple cider vinegar to a > to a diet of a too alkaline person and lemonjuice to a too acid persons > diet? > > Many thanks > > Sylvia > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 16, 2005 Proton Pressure >75 means the body tissues are acidic and the liver is dumping amonia into the bloodstream to alkalize it, otherwise you die. You are also losing bone (calcium) in the process. Dr. Recommends ANODYNE ACD helps to bring this in balance. Baking soda in warm water on an empty stomach also sends bicarbonate past the pyloric valve to assist in balancing the acidic body. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 18, 2005 Note: forwarded message attached. Fellow QX users, I love this device and continue to get great results. Yet, I sometimes find certain readings misleading, and I question them when they fly in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary. This posting is not about bashing the QX, but to raise real issues from which we may all receive feedback from competent practioners. The proton/electron ph business is a big issue. The explanations I have seen with regard to the interpretation of those values seem patently wrong and unreliable.If any of us think that any large percentage of patients are alkaline ph, I believe we are wrong.In 30+ years of testing urine/blood for ph, I doubt that even 8% of those patients were alkaline, or even neutral. Ongoing states of acidosis in sick people is the norm. It is even the norm in patients who appear to be "healthy". To the credit of the QX, it has often been successful in turning acidotic patients to a state of alkylosis. For this determination, I rely on quality ph paper used in a morning urine ph check. I do not, however, rely on the QX readings to note those changes. A healthy newborn has a blood ph of approximately 7.4, which is touted as "ideal". It is a great goal, but I am happy with any move toward neutrality. In order to show an alkaline ph, your diet would have to be heavily weighted in raw fruits and vegetables. Aside from certain grains, virtually everything we ingest is acidic. How many sick people eat alkaline forming diets??? Please keep in mind that many alkaline-forming foods are themselves acidic, which confuses many people. This has to do with the bodies biochemical "buffering" system, which would require some chemistry background and a whole separate volume/book to explain in detail. No human I have seen has displayed alkaline ph unless more than 1/2 of their diet is fruits and vegetables. Any indicator that shows alkaline ph in people that do not eat such a diet is virtually wrong by definition. Food for thought.................. Tom Webb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Hi, I am a lab scientist and normal blood ph is 7.35 to 7.45 (slightly alkaline). Trying to achieve blood ph out of these ranges would result in ketoacidosis or alkaline crisis. The body has its own built in buffering system: lungs, HCO3/Hco2 etc. Urine (ph 5 to 9) and saliva ph will vary much more. JMTom Webb <doctorwebb@...> wrote: Note: forwarded message attached............................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 31, 2005 According to lab tests, the best medicinal value is achieved in the acidity range between 3 to 4. I test all my brews with PH test strips (litmus paper). Happy brewing, Benno. > What should the acidic PH be when I test my KT for the most health > benefit? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear and in fact I was reponding to a different issue (the fact that KT acid does swing the body alkaline). I didn't say our pH couldn't be controlled by what we eat over time. What I was trying to say is it's not DIRECTLY influenced by intake. It's not like adding two pH sources together and the result falls somewhere in between. There are checks and balances the body performs as a result of what's ingested. Some acids cause the body to overcompensate with an alkaline response. KT fits that profile just like citrus fruits. I also happen to agree with the " alkaline " principle and it's one of the reasons why I keep drinking KT. (I'm a " Cayce " enthusiast and he stated this principle back in the 30's or 40's.) Cheers, - Len PH I am not sure I can agree with Len on this........... I believe the TOTAL body ph is NOT " self regulated " and can be controlled (over time) by what we eat/drink.........(KT for example) I have " thought " that disease/virus etc does not appear in an " alkaline " body.....(e et al) Where am I wrong on this ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear and in fact I was reponding to a different issue (the fact that KT acid does swing the body alkaline). I didn't say our pH couldn't be controlled by what we eat over time. What I was trying to say is it's not DIRECTLY influenced by intake. It's not like adding two pH sources together and the result falls somewhere in between. There are checks and balances the body performs as a result of what's ingested. Some acids cause the body to overcompensate with an alkaline response. KT fits that profile just like citrus fruits. I also happen to agree with the " alkaline " principle and it's one of the reasons why I keep drinking KT. (I'm a " Cayce " enthusiast and he stated this principle back in the 30's or 40's.) Cheers, - Len PH I am not sure I can agree with Len on this........... I believe the TOTAL body ph is NOT " self regulated " and can be controlled (over time) by what we eat/drink.........(KT for example) I have " thought " that disease/virus etc does not appear in an " alkaline " body.....(e et al) Where am I wrong on this ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Len, So can one drink KT any make his body more alkiline which fights disease or is it necessary to take something like alkaslim to do the trick? What/who is Cayce? > Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear and in fact I was reponding to a > different issue (the fact that KT acid does swing the body alkaline). I > didn't say our pH couldn't be controlled by what we eat over time. What I > was trying to say is it's not DIRECTLY influenced by intake. It's not like > adding two pH sources together and the result falls somewhere in between. > > There are checks and balances the body performs as a result of what's > ingested. Some acids cause the body to overcompensate with an alkaline > response. KT fits that profile just like citrus fruits. > > I also happen to agree with the " alkaline " principle and it's one of the > reasons why I keep drinking KT. (I'm a " Cayce " enthusiast and he stated > this principle back in the 30's or 40's.) > > Cheers, > - Len > > PH > > I am not sure I can agree with Len on this........... > > I believe the TOTAL body ph is NOT " self regulated " and can be > controlled (over time) > by what we eat/drink.........(KT for example) > > I have " thought " that disease/virus etc does not appear in an " alkaline " > body.....(e et al) > > Where am I wrong on this ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Len, So can one drink KT any make his body more alkiline which fights disease or is it necessary to take something like alkaslim to do the trick? What/who is Cayce? > Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear and in fact I was reponding to a > different issue (the fact that KT acid does swing the body alkaline). I > didn't say our pH couldn't be controlled by what we eat over time. What I > was trying to say is it's not DIRECTLY influenced by intake. It's not like > adding two pH sources together and the result falls somewhere in between. > > There are checks and balances the body performs as a result of what's > ingested. Some acids cause the body to overcompensate with an alkaline > response. KT fits that profile just like citrus fruits. > > I also happen to agree with the " alkaline " principle and it's one of the > reasons why I keep drinking KT. (I'm a " Cayce " enthusiast and he stated > this principle back in the 30's or 40's.) > > Cheers, > - Len > > PH > > I am not sure I can agree with Len on this........... > > I believe the TOTAL body ph is NOT " self regulated " and can be > controlled (over time) > by what we eat/drink.........(KT for example) > > I have " thought " that disease/virus etc does not appear in an " alkaline " > body.....(e et al) > > Where am I wrong on this ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2005 You can also try the juice of a whole lemon each morning, sweetened with organic molasses or honey. Lemon is alkaline inside the body. Love and Light, Silkstone ph Here's the bottom line on ph. If you think you're going to get a trueph reading using a chemical like Alka seltzer Gold or baking soda,forget it. : Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 20, 2005 wrote: > I have been on the srict diet for a month now. I am taking probiotics, coconut oil, nystatin powder, and a fiber/ flax powder for regularity. I do not take the antifungals with the probiotics. Is that right? I did a spit test this morning. When i first egan the diet I had huge strands hanging down in the entire glass, but now I had most of the saliva left on the top and some little specks in the bottom of the glass. Is that showing improvements? ==>It looks like your spit test is showing improvements. Good for you ! That is correct about taking antifungals and probiotics at the same time. > I also checked my urine and saliva first thing this morning with strips. My saliva was about 6.0 and the urine was about 6.8. Both of these are on the acidic end. Is this good or bad? What else would you suggest. ==>I do not believe pH levels are an indication of good health, so you shouldn't be concerned about it - please read the article in our Files by Dr. Weston A. Price on Acidity/Alkalinity, which he believes is a non-issue. >The reason I am asking is that I am really feeling bloated this week, and I have not cheated. I am eating tons of cabbage. Also, I am having my period. Could this contribute to me feeling different than I did the past few weeks? ==>Bloating is caused by carbon dioxide being released as the candida is being killed off, so that is a good sign. The best in health, Bee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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