Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 > I have read over and over again on this forum about sticking to a > vegetarian diet. > > In researching other alternative methods I am advised that your body > cannot fight cancer properly without protein. This advice stated that > there are certain types of protein that are only available in meat. > > This is very conflicting and I would appreciate anyone clarifying this as > much as possible. > > Thanks, > > Stan You're right; protein is a major therapy against cancer; without using it a cancer patient will usually waste considerably as the disorder progresses. The thing about recommending " protein " or avoiding it is that people, even practitioners, don't know enough about it to differentiate between protein that increases tissue acidity and urea loading and protein that does not. This is similar to lumping all " fats " together in ignorance, and equally counterproductive. Cold-processed whey is not only mildly alkalizing, but it is also a specific therapy, the only food listed in the Physician's Desktop Reference for Prescription Drugs, to prevent cachexia, the wasting that accompanies several disorders. If one can avoid wasting to death one has a hugely better chance of having the time to fight the cancer. So, a high protein regimen can be useful, and especially if cold- processed whey is chosen. The antioxidant glutathione produced is hugely beneficial and may produce unexpected results; a small published study showed 100% of clients had prostate tumours shrink with cold-processed whey alone. regards, Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Our very nature seeks simplistic answers and there are none. There are generalizations that seem to have validity but not in every case for every person. None of what I say is said to discourage anyone from trying a more 'natural' protocol such as juicing or eating organic and fresh vegetables and fruits. This more 'natural' approach is stronger than a generalization. Take the high cholesterol issue. I don't doubt but that it can adversely affect some, though I am not sure of this, but they have not proven to me and to a lot more knowledgeable than me that it is the problem claimed. Flax Seed Oil and Cottage Cheese seems to have a great record backed up by many years of use, however, it is doubtful that this protocol is the answer for everyone. There are too many variables involved with health and we need to explore all we can and stay in touch with those knowledgeable and experienced people. To me, and I suspect most on this list, this means those in alternative methods not conventional especially those involved with cancer in its many forms. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 The 100% improvement using cold pressed whey for prostate cancer is impressive! Do you remember who ran this study and whether anyone has attempted to duplicate the study?? Also, have you compared cold pressed whey to the powdered whey? Dottie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 to say that someone " cured himself " with raw meat is the most unbelievable thing I have ever read, it causes cancer doesn't cure it, sorry C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Aajanus Vonderplanitz touts the benefits of raw foods, not meat in particular, meat does not cure cancer, that is an irresponsible thing to say C Gammill wrote: How has red meat been proven to cause cancer? I would have you argue this with Aajanus Vonderplanitz who cured his own cancer by eating nothing but raw meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 > to say that someone " cured himself " with raw meat is the most > unbelievable thing I have ever read, it causes cancer doesn't cure it, > sorry C Meat or protein does not cause cancer; what causes cancer is metabolic imbalance that MAY be aggravated by byproducts of meat metabolism BUT ONLY IF steps are not taken to control pH and electrolytes. For a more accurate view, see Dr. Haltiwanger's article, The Electrical Properties of Cancer Cells: http://royalrife.com/haltiwanger.html and while you're at it copy the Bone health one too. Knowing what is occurring at a cellular level leads to a vastly better understanding of the process than " meat causes cancer " . Warning: is is not highly tchnical but you'll need to be able to focus and conceptualize to follow it. It is well-refernced though; plenty there for further investigation if you DO want to get technical. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 > My son is one and has low protein in his blood (poor circulation is > the question we had for the ped. today--he's already had an echo on > his heart that came back normal in the late spring). The doctor > recommended Carnation Instant Breakfast 2x a day to increase protein. > My baby is eating solids and doing fine otherwise. Are there any > other suggestions to help my baby? Whey protein powder. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 I heard Dr Contreras speak on TV today about breast cancer and protein. He said that excessive protein inhibits elimination, causes constipation, and Im not sure now if he said there was a direct link to excess estrogen. He did say that the increased protein inhibited the bodies ability to rid itself through the digestive tract of the extra circulating estrogen thus contributing to breast cancer. db Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 I don't know if my doc has even checked on limiting Protein. I have not been advised to limit salt intake; absolutely nothing. Keep posting everyone, it may be the only way I will learn what I need to consider doing to help myself. (stacey_cindy2005@...)Connie <angel34@...> wrote: I remember my Hep. Dr. telling me to limit my Protien. Can anyone explain to me why we need to do this? MY total Protein lab test are always low already, is this normal also? Connie Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Personals for free Find Great Deals on Gifts at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 Protein is the hardest thing for the liver to process and it turns into ammonia that has to be filtered through the liver, exces amoumt of protien can cause high ammonia levels and worse case senario can put you ino a encephaopathy coma, i know this cause it happened to my daughter 2 weeks after her diagnosis, the salt stops the water retention since the liver regulates the fluids in your body and yuor liver is not functioning at normal capacity and its harder for the body so the fluids build up(ascites and eadeama) hope this canclarify in laymens terms for anyone who is intersted, but as always please check with your doctor before altering your diet, thanks Ruth >From: Stacey <stacey_cindy2005@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [ ] Protein >Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:22:47 -0800 (PST) > >I don't know if my doc has even checked on limiting Protein. I have not >been advised to limit salt intake; absolutely nothing. Keep posting >everyone, it may be the only way I will learn what I need to consider >doing to help myself. (stacey_cindy2005@...) > >Connie <angel34@...> wrote: I remember my Hep. Dr. >telling me to limit my Protien. Can anyone > explain to me why we need to do this? MY total Protein lab test are > always low already, is this normal also? > Connie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 I am on a low protien diet. I was told it is harder for the liver to process protien and that carbohydrates help clean the liver. I also eat very little salt because the prednisone caused me to swell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I can tell you that last year I went on the Atkins protein diet. I was all excited because I had lost 4 pounds in 3 days. But I also noticed I was having a hard time speaking correctly. I would say "the hill up", instead of "up the hill". By chance my Dr. called me about something else, and noticed the way I was speaking. She had me come in right away. I told her the only thing different was my diet, and she scheduled me for a brain scan the next morning. She said to get off the protein diet immediately. That I was so close to going into a coma due to my all protein diet. She explained that with AIH I needed to keep my diet with at least 60 - 70% carbs. I immediately loaded up on carbs and was good to go. Like a stupid person, 6 months later I tried Atkins again, because I loved that it was so fast in weight loss...the same thing happened to me again by my 4th day. So, I double checked in Palmers book..and it says right there...70% carbs....lesson learned and passed along. Good luck. Kathy in CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Jenni I am a retired high school teacher but I taught professional cooking and foods classes which really did me in! It is way easier to stay away from food now that I am retired. As far as your goal goes--I weighed about the same as you did when I started and I had lost 43lbs. by the end of 5 months. I was at a plateau for about 1 month in January and I think I just waited too long to get a second fill so maybe you can make it! We are all so different it just seems to be a crap shoot as to what will happen next! Good luck to you on this journey and it WILL become easier to be around food. Penny Penny Manville Walden, Colorado DOB 9/26/05 230/185/135 1st fill 12/9/05 1cc 2nd fill 1/27/06 0.5 cc 1.5 cc total 5'4 " __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Thanks Penny for your words of encouragement. I will work hard towards my goal and hopefully I can have the same success that you have had. I have to get over my emotional hurdle right now. I am having great difficulty with the liquid stuff. I am one week out of surgery so I have another long week to go! I am eating jello, popsicles, and drinking isopure and water. I can't imagine doing this for another week. I know I can make it because so many of you have done it but today has just been a hard, teary day for me. I'm ready to go on to bed...tomorrow is a new day, right? Jenni Currie DOB 2/23/06 231/217/140 > > Jenni > I am a retired high school teacher but I taught > professional cooking and foods classes which really > did me in! It is way easier to stay away from food > now that I am retired. As far as your goal goes--I > weighed about the same as you did when I started and I > had lost 43lbs. by the end of 5 months. I was at a > plateau for about 1 month in January and I think I > just waited too long to get a second fill so maybe you > can make it! We are all so different it just seems to > be a crap shoot as to what will happen next! > Good luck to you on this journey and it WILL become > easier to be around food. > Penny > > > > Penny Manville > Walden, Colorado > DOB 9/26/05 > 230/185/135 > 1st fill 12/9/05 1cc > 2nd fill 1/27/06 0.5 cc 1.5 cc total > 5'4 " > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 It is so awesome that you and others have made it a week in the "boot camp" phase of the diet. One more week and you can have chocolate protein drinks, pudding, and other full liquids. I know how sick everyone is of the liquids but believe us "oldies", it really helps secure the band in place and lesson the chance of a problem later on. Yes, this is a big emotional hurdle.....HUGE. YOU CAN DO IT!! :-) M 280/174/155 -106lbs gone for good! Lapband 3/1/05 http://www.tracyslapband.com From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of giftedtchSent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Protein Thanks Penny for your words of encouragement. I will work hard towards my goal and hopefully I can have the same success that you have had. I have to get over my emotional hurdle right now. I am having great difficulty with the liquid stuff. I am one week out of surgery so I have another long week to go! I am eating jello, popsicles, and drinking isopure and water. I can't imagine doing this for another week. I know I can make it because so many of you have done it but today has just been a hard, teary day for me. I'm ready to go on to bed...tomorrow is a new day, right?Jenni CurrieDOB 2/23/06231/217/140>> Jenni> I am a retired high school teacher but I taught> professional cooking and foods classes which really> did me in! It is way easier to stay away from food> now that I am retired. As far as your goal goes--I> weighed about the same as you did when I started and I> had lost 43lbs. by the end of 5 months. I was at a> plateau for about 1 month in January and I think I> just waited too long to get a second fill so maybe you> can make it! We are all so different it just seems to> be a crap shoot as to what will happen next!> Good luck to you on this journey and it WILL become> easier to be around food.> Penny> > > > Penny Manville> Walden, Colorado> DOB 9/26/05> 230/185/135> 1st fill 12/9/05 1cc> 2nd fill 1/27/06 0.5 cc 1.5 cc total> 5'4"> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Hi I'm not sure how much protein we need in a day, but I only have one chicken breast every evening (some days I crave more and have it twice or three times). We only eat chicken breast due to issues with animal fat and our IBS. You should be eating organic meat as far as possible as everything but the free range and organic meats have antibiotics and growth hormones. While growth hormones may not feed the candida directly, it affects your immune system and if you have candida, you need to boost your immune system. We cannot eat beans because of the fibre and our IBS, but our diet only allows beans at stage 3. You should do some research into vegetable proteins, I know some vegans who are able to get enough protein without too much trouble. Do you eat lentils or split peas? Good luck. Keen Protein Here are the questions: How much protein do we need to eat in a day? Because I've modeled my anti-candida diet off of the PH diet, I'm concerned about the acid in animal products. I've been eating organic chicken twice a week, fish several times a week, and some days just nuts, seeds, and tehina. I would estimate that I'm getting 25 - 30 grams of protein a day. I'm not sure what kinds of protein are ok for me to be eating. Do you have any ideas? Are soy nuts ok even though tofu and tempeh are not because they are fermented? Are regular beans ok, or are the carbs in them problematic? Is regular beef ok? Can the bovine growth hormone in regular beef be problematic for someone with candida? Are regular cows routinely fed antibiotics in their food the way regular chickens are? (I have yet to find Kosher organic beef in Jerusalem. Does anyone know if it exists anywhere?) I have a problem with dairy so I've been trying to stay away from it as much as possible even before I realized that I had candida. Even sheep and goat dairy, which many people have an easier time digesting is still not ideal for me. When I eat eggs, even the organic ones, they make my nose run so I'm trying to stay away from them too. Any ideas how I can include a wider range of protein in my diet while still working on getting rid of the candida? How much fish is too much fish? How big a problem is mercury poisoning? ---- Here's the background: To try to get rid of my candida, I've been eating lots of vegetables, and modeling my diet mostly off of the PH diet, though I'm not vegetarian, and I'm not using green powder, or hydrogen peroxide drops in my water, and not planning on doing a juice cleanse. I'm also eating very few carbs in an effort to try to get rid of the candida. It's amazing to me that eating lots of vegetables with good fats keeps me from being hungry, and that carbs which I always thought I needed actually seem to make me hungry. I'm also using grapefruit seed extract, caprylic acid 350 mg twice a day (with a gel of crushed flax seeds and olive oil), acidophilus and assorted good flora, primrose oil, potassium, and a mutlivitamin. Thank G-d, I think I'm coming along, but it's a slow process. I have much more energy than I used to and I've lost a significant amount of weight, though there's still alot left to lose I was concerned about my diet, especially the relatively low amount of carbs I'm eating (very little fruit and many days not even one serving of a grain), and my fear that perhaps I could be messing up my metabolism. I checked it out with two regular medical doctors, and both thought I was fine and doubted that I was doing anything that would mess up my metabolism. (When I do eat grains, it is usually not whole wheat or brown rice because they are grains with more acid in them according to the PH diet philosophy. I generally eat buckwheat, quinoa, and spelt.) My regular medical doctor thought that even something as restrictive as Atkins would be fine for 6 months, and I feel that what I'm doing is much less restrictive than that (I don't count the carbs in vegetables and I do eat grains sometimes). My doctor said something that I already felt - There are all kinds of nutritional theories out there, but that there's a lot that we just know. He answered my questions as honestly as he could and thought it might be good for me to go to a nutritionist. I was favorable surprised that he sent me to a nutritionist who knew what candida was, didn't think it was a phantom illness, and realized that I might have a systemic case of it. (If anyone needs a nutritionist in Jerusalem, her name is Idit Zvi and she's American so her English is perfect, though she's on vacation for the next few weeks.) She was the first person who actually validated my need for potassium. My regular doctor and an alternative health provider that I spoke with thought that I was getting enough through a normal healthy diet. However when I was hitting the salt shaker too much, I felt that I needed more potassium because candida depletes potassium (and other minerals) from the body and potassium (like sodium) is also needed to regulate the the water balance in the body. When I started taking 1 -2 99 mg potassium tablets a day, I stopped needing so much salt and my blood pressure went down. The nutritionist had no problem with the low carb part of my diet. But she was very concerned about the relatively low amount of protein. She said that I needed 55 grams of protein a day, and was afraid that I would become malnourished if I didn't start eating more protein. She also thought that I should be having red meat once a week. She was also concerned about me eating fish alot because of potential mercury poisoning. The problem is that I'm not sure what else to eat. Does anyone know how much a danger this is? Doesn't it depend on what type of fish you eat. I think I remember reading somewhere that predator fish like tuna have higher levels of mercury than non-predator fish. I'm not even eating tuna because I'm doing my best to not eat things that come from cans. She also thought I wasn't getting enough calcium, which she may have been right about. I was taking a prenatal vitamin with 325 mg of calcium, and my bones had started making cracking noises several times a day. I added a 500 mg calcium supplement that I think I'm going to eventually take every other day. (I'm not pregnant but I like the percentages of vitamins and minerals in prenatal vitamins. High potency vitamins have always scared me. I discussed this concern with my doctor and he also felt that vitamins much above the USRDA could potentially be problematic because there's a lot we just don't know. He said that recent studies have even showed that too much vitamin E may cause cancer.) Any ideas or thought that you'd like to share with me? May we all soon have a complete recovery. Thanks and all of the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 in regards to soy‹ i¹ve heard that the GOOD soy IS the fermented kind... we shouldn¹t be having fermented foods on an anti-candida diet, but, when all is clear, stay with the fermented kinds of soy products. check out mercola.com for more on this. best and healing. tv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Undenatured whey protein doesn't lower pH like animal proteins generally do; whey is slightly alkalinizing so it allows you to incease protein consumption and even add more animal protein to you diet. Undenatured whey increases your most crucial antioxidant, which is also a detoxifier and the biggest organ supporter and also part of your energy cycle at a cellular level. Undenatured whey also contains glyconutrient sugars that block adhesion sites of many pathogenic bacteria, and it promotes growth of probiotic bacteria. See my post above this one on adhesion sites. My clients mainly use 36 grams to 72 gams daily, yielding 30 grams to 60 grams absolute protein. At the 72 gram level and higher you can expect to improve your body mass index as you burn more fat and put on some quality tissue (and organs). It's a metabolic increaser. On the pH issue you also have potassium, calcium, magnesium, vitamin D, and also cesium chloride if you need the 'big pH gun'. Most people are deficient at least in magnesium and potassium, your two biggest alkalizers, and I've brought up peoples' pH without changing the amount of meat they eat, just by addressing the mineral deficiency. Your mileage will vary of course depending on your degree of bowel irritation and consequent mineral malabsorption; you can circumvent that issue by using more easily assimilable mineral compounds, magnesium orotate and potassium chloride for example. Duncan Crow > Posted by: " Yaffee " mmyaffee@... > Date: Wed Aug 2, 2006 5:45 pm (PDT) > > Here are the questions: > > How much protein do we need to eat in a day? Because I've modeled my > anti-candida diet off of the PH diet, I'm concerned about the acid in > animal products. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Thanks to everyone who shared their thoughts on protein. Keen, I haven't been eating any legumes. Why would lentils and split peas be better than beans. The interesting thing is that even though I'm eating less protein I'm not craving it, even though I used to, which makes me think that I am actually getting enough. I recently increased my exercise level and my calcium and magnesium intake and wonder if that's at least partially responsible for the protein cravings subsiding. >From: " Keen Venables " <kvenables@...> >Reply-candidiasis ><candidiasis > >Subject: RE: Protein >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:22:27 +0200 > >Hi > >I'm not sure how much protein we need in a day, but I only have one >chicken breast every evening (some days I crave more and have it twice >or three times). We only eat chicken breast due to issues with animal >fat and our IBS. > >You should be eating organic meat as far as possible as everything but >the free range and organic meats have antibiotics and growth hormones. >While growth hormones may not feed the candida directly, it affects your >immune system and if you have candida, you need to boost your immune >system. > >We cannot eat beans because of the fibre and our IBS, but our diet only >allows beans at stage 3. You should do some research into vegetable >proteins, I know some vegans who are able to get enough protein without >too much trouble. Do you eat lentils or split peas? > >Good luck. > >Keen > > Protein > >Here are the questions: > >How much protein do we need to eat in a day? Because I've modeled my >anti-candida diet off of the PH diet, I'm concerned about the acid in >animal >products. > >I've been eating organic chicken twice a week, fish several times a >week, >and some days just nuts, seeds, and tehina. I would estimate that I'm >getting 25 - 30 grams of protein a day. > >I'm not sure what kinds of protein are ok for me to be eating. Do you >have >any ideas? > >Are soy nuts ok even though tofu and tempeh are not because they are >fermented? > >Are regular beans ok, or are the carbs in them problematic? > >Is regular beef ok? Can the bovine growth hormone in regular beef be >problematic for someone with candida? Are regular cows routinely fed >antibiotics in their food the way regular chickens are? > >(I have yet to find Kosher organic beef in Jerusalem. Does anyone know >if >it exists anywhere?) > >I have a problem with dairy so I've been trying to stay away from it as >much >as possible even before I realized that I had candida. Even sheep and >goat >dairy, which many people have an easier time digesting is still not >ideal >for me. > >When I eat eggs, even the organic ones, they make my nose run so I'm >trying >to stay away from them too. > >Any ideas how I can include a wider range of protein in my diet while >still >working on getting rid of the candida? > >How much fish is too much fish? How big a problem is mercury poisoning? > >---- > >Here's the background: > >To try to get rid of my candida, I've been eating lots of vegetables, >and >modeling my diet mostly off of the PH diet, though I'm not vegetarian, >and >I'm not using green powder, or hydrogen peroxide drops in my water, and >not >planning on doing a juice cleanse. I'm also eating very few carbs in >an >effort to try to get rid of the candida. > >It's amazing to me that eating lots of vegetables with good fats keeps >me >from being hungry, and that carbs which I always thought I needed >actually >seem to make me hungry. > >I'm also using grapefruit seed extract, caprylic acid 350 mg twice a day > >(with a gel of crushed flax seeds and olive oil), acidophilus and >assorted >good flora, primrose oil, potassium, and a mutlivitamin. > >Thank G-d, I think I'm coming along, but it's a slow process. I have >much >more energy than I used to and I've lost a significant amount of weight, > >though there's still alot left to lose > >I was concerned about my diet, especially the relatively low amount of >carbs >I'm eating (very little fruit and many days not even one serving of a >grain), and my fear that perhaps I could be messing up my metabolism. I > >checked it out with two regular medical doctors, and both thought I was >fine >and doubted that I was doing anything that would mess up my metabolism. > >(When I do eat grains, it is usually not whole wheat or brown rice >because >they are grains with more acid in them according to the PH diet >philosophy. >I generally eat buckwheat, quinoa, and spelt.) > >My regular medical doctor thought that even something as restrictive as > >Atkins would be fine for 6 months, and I feel that what I'm doing is >much >less restrictive than that (I don't count the carbs in vegetables and I >do >eat grains sometimes). My doctor said something that I already felt - >There are all kinds of nutritional theories out there, but that there's >a >lot that we just know. He answered my questions as honestly as he could >and >thought it might be good for me to go to a nutritionist. > >I was favorable surprised that he sent me to a nutritionist who knew >what >candida was, didn't think it was a phantom illness, and realized that I >might have a systemic case of it. (If anyone needs a nutritionist in >Jerusalem, her name is Idit Zvi and she's American so her English is >perfect, though she's on vacation for the next few weeks.) > >She was the first person who actually validated my need for potassium. >My >regular doctor and an alternative health provider that I spoke with >thought >that I was getting enough through a normal healthy diet. However when I >was >hitting the salt shaker too much, I felt that I needed more potassium >because candida depletes potassium (and other minerals) from the body >and >potassium (like sodium) is also needed to regulate the the water balance >in >the body. When I started taking 1 -2 99 mg potassium tablets a day, I >stopped needing so much salt and my blood pressure went down. > >The nutritionist had no problem with the low carb part of my diet. But >she >was very concerned about the relatively low amount of protein. She said > >that I needed 55 grams of protein a day, and was afraid that I would >become >malnourished if I didn't start eating more protein. She also thought >that I >should be having red meat once a week. > >She was also concerned about me eating fish alot because of potential >mercury poisoning. The problem is that I'm not sure what else to eat. > >Does anyone know how much a danger this is? Doesn't it depend on what >type >of fish you eat. I think I remember reading somewhere that predator >fish >like tuna have higher levels of mercury than non-predator fish. I'm not > >even eating tuna because I'm doing my best to not eat things that come >from >cans. > >She also thought I wasn't getting enough calcium, which she may have >been >right about. I was taking a prenatal vitamin with 325 mg of calcium, >and my >bones had started making cracking noises several times a day. I added a >500 >mg calcium supplement that I think I'm going to eventually take every >other >day. (I'm not pregnant but I like the percentages of vitamins and >minerals >in prenatal vitamins. High potency vitamins have always scared me. I >discussed this concern with my doctor and he also felt that vitamins >much >above the USRDA could potentially be problematic because there's a lot >we >just don't know. He said that recent studies have even showed that too >much >vitamin E may cause cancer.) > >Any ideas or thought that you'd like to share with me? > >May we all soon have a complete recovery. > >Thanks and all of the best, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Thanks to everyone who shared their thoughts on protein. Keen, I haven't been eating any legumes. Why would lentils and split peas be better than beans. The interesting thing is that even though I'm eating less protein I'm not craving it, even though I used to, which makes me think that I am actually getting enough. I recently increased my exercise level and my calcium and magnesium intake and wonder if that's at least partially responsible for the protein cravings subsiding. >From: " Keen Venables " <kvenables@...> >Reply-candidiasis ><candidiasis > >Subject: RE: Protein >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:22:27 +0200 > >Hi > >I'm not sure how much protein we need in a day, but I only have one >chicken breast every evening (some days I crave more and have it twice >or three times). We only eat chicken breast due to issues with animal >fat and our IBS. > >You should be eating organic meat as far as possible as everything but >the free range and organic meats have antibiotics and growth hormones. >While growth hormones may not feed the candida directly, it affects your >immune system and if you have candida, you need to boost your immune >system. > >We cannot eat beans because of the fibre and our IBS, but our diet only >allows beans at stage 3. You should do some research into vegetable >proteins, I know some vegans who are able to get enough protein without >too much trouble. Do you eat lentils or split peas? > >Good luck. > >Keen > > Protein > >Here are the questions: > >How much protein do we need to eat in a day? Because I've modeled my >anti-candida diet off of the PH diet, I'm concerned about the acid in >animal >products. > >I've been eating organic chicken twice a week, fish several times a >week, >and some days just nuts, seeds, and tehina. I would estimate that I'm >getting 25 - 30 grams of protein a day. > >I'm not sure what kinds of protein are ok for me to be eating. Do you >have >any ideas? > >Are soy nuts ok even though tofu and tempeh are not because they are >fermented? > >Are regular beans ok, or are the carbs in them problematic? > >Is regular beef ok? Can the bovine growth hormone in regular beef be >problematic for someone with candida? Are regular cows routinely fed >antibiotics in their food the way regular chickens are? > >(I have yet to find Kosher organic beef in Jerusalem. Does anyone know >if >it exists anywhere?) > >I have a problem with dairy so I've been trying to stay away from it as >much >as possible even before I realized that I had candida. Even sheep and >goat >dairy, which many people have an easier time digesting is still not >ideal >for me. > >When I eat eggs, even the organic ones, they make my nose run so I'm >trying >to stay away from them too. > >Any ideas how I can include a wider range of protein in my diet while >still >working on getting rid of the candida? > >How much fish is too much fish? How big a problem is mercury poisoning? > >---- > >Here's the background: > >To try to get rid of my candida, I've been eating lots of vegetables, >and >modeling my diet mostly off of the PH diet, though I'm not vegetarian, >and >I'm not using green powder, or hydrogen peroxide drops in my water, and >not >planning on doing a juice cleanse. I'm also eating very few carbs in >an >effort to try to get rid of the candida. > >It's amazing to me that eating lots of vegetables with good fats keeps >me >from being hungry, and that carbs which I always thought I needed >actually >seem to make me hungry. > >I'm also using grapefruit seed extract, caprylic acid 350 mg twice a day > >(with a gel of crushed flax seeds and olive oil), acidophilus and >assorted >good flora, primrose oil, potassium, and a mutlivitamin. > >Thank G-d, I think I'm coming along, but it's a slow process. I have >much >more energy than I used to and I've lost a significant amount of weight, > >though there's still alot left to lose > >I was concerned about my diet, especially the relatively low amount of >carbs >I'm eating (very little fruit and many days not even one serving of a >grain), and my fear that perhaps I could be messing up my metabolism. I > >checked it out with two regular medical doctors, and both thought I was >fine >and doubted that I was doing anything that would mess up my metabolism. > >(When I do eat grains, it is usually not whole wheat or brown rice >because >they are grains with more acid in them according to the PH diet >philosophy. >I generally eat buckwheat, quinoa, and spelt.) > >My regular medical doctor thought that even something as restrictive as > >Atkins would be fine for 6 months, and I feel that what I'm doing is >much >less restrictive than that (I don't count the carbs in vegetables and I >do >eat grains sometimes). My doctor said something that I already felt - >There are all kinds of nutritional theories out there, but that there's >a >lot that we just know. He answered my questions as honestly as he could >and >thought it might be good for me to go to a nutritionist. > >I was favorable surprised that he sent me to a nutritionist who knew >what >candida was, didn't think it was a phantom illness, and realized that I >might have a systemic case of it. (If anyone needs a nutritionist in >Jerusalem, her name is Idit Zvi and she's American so her English is >perfect, though she's on vacation for the next few weeks.) > >She was the first person who actually validated my need for potassium. >My >regular doctor and an alternative health provider that I spoke with >thought >that I was getting enough through a normal healthy diet. However when I >was >hitting the salt shaker too much, I felt that I needed more potassium >because candida depletes potassium (and other minerals) from the body >and >potassium (like sodium) is also needed to regulate the the water balance >in >the body. When I started taking 1 -2 99 mg potassium tablets a day, I >stopped needing so much salt and my blood pressure went down. > >The nutritionist had no problem with the low carb part of my diet. But >she >was very concerned about the relatively low amount of protein. She said > >that I needed 55 grams of protein a day, and was afraid that I would >become >malnourished if I didn't start eating more protein. She also thought >that I >should be having red meat once a week. > >She was also concerned about me eating fish alot because of potential >mercury poisoning. The problem is that I'm not sure what else to eat. > >Does anyone know how much a danger this is? Doesn't it depend on what >type >of fish you eat. I think I remember reading somewhere that predator >fish >like tuna have higher levels of mercury than non-predator fish. I'm not > >even eating tuna because I'm doing my best to not eat things that come >from >cans. > >She also thought I wasn't getting enough calcium, which she may have >been >right about. I was taking a prenatal vitamin with 325 mg of calcium, >and my >bones had started making cracking noises several times a day. I added a >500 >mg calcium supplement that I think I'm going to eventually take every >other >day. (I'm not pregnant but I like the percentages of vitamins and >minerals >in prenatal vitamins. High potency vitamins have always scared me. I >discussed this concern with my doctor and he also felt that vitamins >much >above the USRDA could potentially be problematic because there's a lot >we >just don't know. He said that recent studies have even showed that too >much >vitamin E may cause cancer.) > >Any ideas or thought that you'd like to share with me? > >May we all soon have a complete recovery. > >Thanks and all of the best, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 are you saying that whey protein isolate (like on mercola.com) is a good thing? tv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Lentils and split peas have less of the fibres that we can't eat in beans and, on our diet, you can eat them earlier than you can eat beans. We have been having split peas and lentils since about our 3rd month and we don't seem to have a problem (unless we are in a period in which we ate something wrong and are having IBS attacks, then we must avoid anything with lots of fibre). They are both good sources of protein, and you won't know if you can stomach them unless you try them. I found the peas easier at first. Hope it helps. Keen Protein > >Here are the questions: > >How much protein do we need to eat in a day? Because I've modeled my >anti-candida diet off of the PH diet, I'm concerned about the acid in >animal >products. > >I've been eating organic chicken twice a week, fish several times a >week, >and some days just nuts, seeds, and tehina. I would estimate that I'm >getting 25 - 30 grams of protein a day. > >I'm not sure what kinds of protein are ok for me to be eating. Do you >have >any ideas? > >Are soy nuts ok even though tofu and tempeh are not because they are >fermented? > >Are regular beans ok, or are the carbs in them problematic? > >Is regular beef ok? Can the bovine growth hormone in regular beef be >problematic for someone with candida? Are regular cows routinely fed >antibiotics in their food the way regular chickens are? > >(I have yet to find Kosher organic beef in Jerusalem. Does anyone know >if >it exists anywhere?) > >I have a problem with dairy so I've been trying to stay away from it as >much >as possible even before I realized that I had candida. Even sheep and >goat >dairy, which many people have an easier time digesting is still not >ideal >for me. > >When I eat eggs, even the organic ones, they make my nose run so I'm >trying >to stay away from them too. > >Any ideas how I can include a wider range of protein in my diet while >still >working on getting rid of the candida? > >How much fish is too much fish? How big a problem is mercury poisoning? > >---- > >Here's the background: > >To try to get rid of my candida, I've been eating lots of vegetables, >and >modeling my diet mostly off of the PH diet, though I'm not vegetarian, >and >I'm not using green powder, or hydrogen peroxide drops in my water, and >not >planning on doing a juice cleanse. I'm also eating very few carbs in >an >effort to try to get rid of the candida. > >It's amazing to me that eating lots of vegetables with good fats keeps >me >from being hungry, and that carbs which I always thought I needed >actually >seem to make me hungry. > >I'm also using grapefruit seed extract, caprylic acid 350 mg twice a day > >(with a gel of crushed flax seeds and olive oil), acidophilus and >assorted >good flora, primrose oil, potassium, and a mutlivitamin. > >Thank G-d, I think I'm coming along, but it's a slow process. I have >much >more energy than I used to and I've lost a significant amount of weight, > >though there's still alot left to lose > >I was concerned about my diet, especially the relatively low amount of >carbs >I'm eating (very little fruit and many days not even one serving of a >grain), and my fear that perhaps I could be messing up my metabolism. I > >checked it out with two regular medical doctors, and both thought I was >fine >and doubted that I was doing anything that would mess up my metabolism. > >(When I do eat grains, it is usually not whole wheat or brown rice >because >they are grains with more acid in them according to the PH diet >philosophy. >I generally eat buckwheat, quinoa, and spelt.) > >My regular medical doctor thought that even something as restrictive as > >Atkins would be fine for 6 months, and I feel that what I'm doing is >much >less restrictive than that (I don't count the carbs in vegetables and I >do >eat grains sometimes). My doctor said something that I already felt - >There are all kinds of nutritional theories out there, but that there's >a >lot that we just know. He answered my questions as honestly as he could >and >thought it might be good for me to go to a nutritionist. > >I was favorable surprised that he sent me to a nutritionist who knew >what >candida was, didn't think it was a phantom illness, and realized that I >might have a systemic case of it. (If anyone needs a nutritionist in >Jerusalem, her name is Idit Zvi and she's American so her English is >perfect, though she's on vacation for the next few weeks.) > >She was the first person who actually validated my need for potassium. >My >regular doctor and an alternative health provider that I spoke with >thought >that I was getting enough through a normal healthy diet. However when I >was >hitting the salt shaker too much, I felt that I needed more potassium >because candida depletes potassium (and other minerals) from the body >and >potassium (like sodium) is also needed to regulate the the water balance >in >the body. When I started taking 1 -2 99 mg potassium tablets a day, I >stopped needing so much salt and my blood pressure went down. > >The nutritionist had no problem with the low carb part of my diet. But >she >was very concerned about the relatively low amount of protein. She said > >that I needed 55 grams of protein a day, and was afraid that I would >become >malnourished if I didn't start eating more protein. She also thought >that I >should be having red meat once a week. > >She was also concerned about me eating fish alot because of potential >mercury poisoning. The problem is that I'm not sure what else to eat. > >Does anyone know how much a danger this is? Doesn't it depend on what >type >of fish you eat. I think I remember reading somewhere that predator >fish >like tuna have higher levels of mercury than non-predator fish. I'm not > >even eating tuna because I'm doing my best to not eat things that come >from >cans. > >She also thought I wasn't getting enough calcium, which she may have >been >right about. I was taking a prenatal vitamin with 325 mg of calcium, >and my >bones had started making cracking noises several times a day. I added a >500 >mg calcium supplement that I think I'm going to eventually take every >other >day. (I'm not pregnant but I like the percentages of vitamins and >minerals >in prenatal vitamins. High potency vitamins have always scared me. I >discussed this concern with my doctor and he also felt that vitamins >much >above the USRDA could potentially be problematic because there's a lot >we >just don't know. He said that recent studies have even showed that too >much >vitamin E may cause cancer.) > >Any ideas or thought that you'd like to share with me? > >May we all soon have a complete recovery. > >Thanks and all of the best, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 > > I was wonderin if whey protein would be alright if im on the candida > diet? ==>No, whey protein is not recommended for candida sufferers; See the article on Protein Isolate Powder in our Group's Files (left hand menu) in the " Not Recommmended " Folder. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 > > I was wonderin if whey protein would be alright if im on the candida > diet? ==>Also read the section on Probiotics in my article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " where it discusses Yogurt & Kefir and why dairy products other than butter are not good for candida sufferers. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 , I remember the hard times you've been through. I'm glad you're doing so much better now. Are you getting adequate protein from other sources, since you must limit red meat? Have you discussed this lately with your doctor? I know that people with severe liver damage should avoid excessive protein, because a damaged liver can't process protein well. However, my doctor told me that once one's liver is stable and well along the path to being healed, protein is desirable and necessary. I can't remember his exact words, so no one should rely on what I've said here -- check out your own situation. Everyone's condition is different. I looked in Palmer's book to see what she says about protein intake. She says, on page 382, " Protein intake must be adjusted in accordance with a person's body weight and the degree of liver damage present. Approximately 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram (2.2 pounds) of body weight is recommended in the diet each day for someone with STABLE (emphasis mine) liver disease. As such, total protein intake would range between about 40 and 100 grams per day -- equaling the approximate 20 to 30 percent of daily calories derived from protein that a person should ideally consume. . . . People with unstable liver disease (decompensated cirrhosis) need to lower the percentage of animal protein they consume and need to eat mostly vegetable sources of protein. " I'm writing this for the various newbies; I'm sure you're on top of all this. Again, everyone's situation is different. We can do reading on our own, and we should, and we can discuss AIH treatment among ourselves, but our doctors are in the best position to give each of us specific advice. Harper Harper In a message dated 6/10/07 9:24:04 AM, bsmyers1@... writes: > > I know I don't post on here as much as I used to but I have been lurking and > thought I would drop a note. > I was diagnosed in 1996 and put on very high levels of Imuran and > Prednisone. I went to the doctor because I was feeling fluey and tired. My liver panel > and my thyroid came back not so good. A week later I turned very yellow and > my numbers were in the thousands. The specialist in Pittsburgh sent me home > after a short stay in hospital and never thought I would be back. > The one thing he really stressed was that I get alot of carbohydrates and > very little protien. To this day I am still not to have more than 4 to 6 oz of > red meat a week. > I also found my iron was to high :so nothing high in iron. > Anyway what I am trying to say is that for me being on high carbs and low > protien has worked for me. I have gained alot of weight but am very thankful > that I am now off Prednisone and Imuran both and still doing good. > > I do tend to ramble sorry. Hope this helps a little. > the WV Hillbilly > AIH 1996 > Hypothyroidism 1996 > Sjogens 2000 etc. > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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